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Best display to replace CRT?
Mike A:
I don't think he is talking about eyestrain.
It sounds more serious than that.
Zebidee:
Clearly more serious than anything any of us are qualified to diagnose.
However, common sense says that when you usually
--- Quote from: Kaizen777 on March 05, 2021, 02:48:13 pm ---sit 4' from my 65" OLED tv (as a monitor) most of the day
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, you should not be surprised that eye strain symptoms are present when playing arcade games in the evening.
My friendly advice, dispensed with great care but very little responsibility or qualifications, would be to take regular breaks. Go outside, get some coffee, chat with your wife, play with the cat. See a doctor/optometrist, present physical symptoms if possible, or at least take pics of skin when irritated etc.. :D
Kaizen777:
I greatly appreciate the feedback from this thread. I ended up pulling out the 25" CRT from my MVS style cab (possibly was an actual MVS) and replacing it with a 48" LG OLED in portrait orientation. That was a NIGHTMARE of a process, and a bit of a miracle. I did manage to mod the cab and get it installed without tearing the cab apart. The TV is butting up against the roof of the cab, and at the bottom it cleared the coin mech by a couple of millimeters! Hah!
I'm extremely pleased to say that the new setup does not irritate me in the slightest.
I can finally play this thing! Except of course, I spend most of my time setting up software and customizing things! LOL
I absolutely LOVE having the full arcade bezels and the flexibility this provides. Vertical games look amazing and proper too (which they couldn't on my CRT in landscape orientation). I'm still tweaking the CRT effect, playing with BGFX and HLSL. I spent some time comparing this to my actual CRT side-by-side and tweaking the CRT effect on the OLED. I have to say, I'm very impressed at just how close I can get it to look like the real thing. It's REALLY close. Plus, I can subtract things I don't really like about the real thing, such as scanline jitter. =D
So much to do still, but I'm thrilled.
The blacks, oh the blacks... it's nice having perfect blacks!
The ONE thing I haven't got perfect yet, and I may not be able to - motion blur.
It looks like a CRT, and the motion is good, but not perfect.
When I turn on the TV's black frame insertion at 60hz, it does eliminate the motion blur - if I can get perfect settings with groovymame with vsync on and reduce the input lag enough then this might be a seriously winning combo. Just straight VRR is nice, but there's some motion blur like this. I think I can live with that if I need to. I only notice it in some games.
I would definitely choose a setup like this over CRT now, no hesitation - I only have one cab and it's nice that it can do everything I want.
Justin:
I just went through exactly this. I entirely redid my cabinet and utilized an almost square LCD monitor. This is an absolutely perfect solution, because both horizontal and vertical games play in a very large size format. Also, with modern graphic cards and latest versions of the emulators such as mame, you can perfectly simulate CRT effects. As a side benefit, vector games look perfectly sharp. I will never go back to CRT on a multi arcade machine again.
The LG DUALUP is basically a 4K resolution display. About same pixel density.
Search for my recent post, I did an in-depth review of the monitor. It is an LG Dualup monitor, which is for sale right now at Amazon.
Edit: review here...
https://www.reddit.com/r/MAME/comments/12psyfj/review_of_lg_dualup_square_lcd_monitor/
lilshawn:
--- Quote from: Kaizen777 on April 08, 2023, 01:15:27 am ---as I have posted before I have some sort of sensitivity to it.
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oh... it's you.
i still think your issue is sensitivity to audio, particularly in the 15khz frequency.
go here...
https://szynalski.com/tone#15000,v0.75
turn it up and see if it gives you the same sensation(s). wear headphones, or if using speakers, moving your head a little bit side to side and forward and backward... as the standing waves coming out so directionally out of speakers, can often cancel/re-enforce each other and you can often NOT hear anything...then hear it again just by moving your head around. you got tiny little head holes and it's hard to get those standing waves in there at this frequency.
if you start experiencing symptoms even if you can or can not hear it, you are likely sensitive to the frequency the monitor operates at, (but possibly unable to "hear" it) causing your body to react in other ways. (numbness, tingling, etc. while it tries to deal with the stimulus.) again, as i mentioned in my commenton your original post, i am sensitive to 15khz. i can't stand it.
that said... i am not a doctor, just a guy who has spent a lot of time researching to understand the voodoo that is audio theory to build tuned port subwoofer boxes, and also afflicted with auditory processing issues.
back on track,
measure your cabinet opening and buy the biggest monitor/tv you can stuff in there. quite often a 27" widescreen will fit in most cabinets if you find one with a zero bezel.
be sure the monitor that you intend to purchase will also power back on once you remove the power from it, and plug it back in.
its a good idea to hit up a computer store or the like and physically test the unit you intend to purchase. get a definite measurement etc. you never know how accurate the info online might be.