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Windows computer
« on: January 29, 2023, 11:38:50 am »
When I built my arcade cabinet in 2007, I used the following:

MaLa 1.0 R9
MAME-Plus (I don't know the original version, I've got .159 on it right now)
HP Pentium IV
Windows XP
27" flat CRT VGA

It all runs great, smooth, fairly attractive (no animations).

Now that it's 15 years later, I've decided to upgrade the entire system.  I've already built a new control panel with the additions I wanted (A couple of spinners and an analog joystick). 

I plan to use Attract Mode with MAME .251.  I've been able to download a complete ROM/CHD set for .251, and will be going through and choosing what games I want to make the final cut (The GUI I'm using for MAME says there are 12,189 working games).  Obviously much of this is stuff I have no interest in, and duplicates (clones).

Finally to my question, if I want to be able to run some of the more modern games like Big Buck or GTFORE series, how much of a CPU and or GPU will I need? 

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Re: Windows computer
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2023, 02:26:49 pm »
I have no idea what the GPU specs for those two games are
BUT
recently I have updated my cabinet and using a SSD instead of a HDD was the best thing I could do to speed up the startup and shutdown of the PC.
Definitely worth it.

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Re: Windows computer
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2023, 04:29:28 pm »
Most emulators don't really use GPU. If you want to play old PC games you are not going to need much, a 970 could do it. I would just look for a cheap used 1070 or 1080

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Re: Windows computer
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2023, 07:07:40 pm »
If you are planning on using the HSLS shaders for cool RGB effects then you WILL need a powerful graphics card (gpu).  I myself am trying to figure out what the right gpu needs to be to play all classics with full hsls effects. 
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Re: Windows computer
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2023, 01:35:29 pm »
That's kinda what I thought on the GPU, but how fast does the CPU need to be?

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Re: Windows computer
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2023, 01:36:00 pm »
That's kinda what I thought on the GPU, but how fast does the CPU need to be, and how important is it to have a plethora of RAM?

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Re: Windows computer
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2023, 01:36:53 pm »
That's kinda what I thought on the GPU, but how fast does the CPU need to be, and how important is it to have a plethora of RAM?

I've got a couple of slightly old Dell's laying around.  They've got Windows 10 on them (I think).  If a machine can handle Win 10, can it handle Golden Tee Fore?

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Re: Windows computer
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2023, 08:04:07 pm »
I'm running Win 10 with a 3.3 Ghz processor and a GTX 950 and Golden Tee Fore has major audio stuttering, even on the lowest resolution, to the point where it's basically unplayable. I always assumed that you need at least 4 Ghz processor, but I don't know for sure. Report back if you find a PC that can run it well.

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Re: Windows computer
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2023, 07:17:44 am »
Well, I'm running on my office computer (not the same machine I will use for the arcade machine.  It's an AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 12-Core 3.7 GHz.

Runs flawlessly

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Re: Windows computer
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2023, 12:51:39 pm »
 It was always CPU speed that mattered AFAIK. GPU distant second, unless it changed from 10 years ago... :)

I remember NFL Blitz was the Standard to shoot for. Everyone said it would be 10 more years to run it.....2 years later and with an "I" core-Bingo!

Moral is if it won't run, shelf it for a few years, and add one more to let the price come down from launch. :laugh:

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Re: Windows computer
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2023, 01:40:17 pm »
Ok, so I put my MAME and Attract Mode stuff all on an external HD so I could make it portable (I just have to make sure to change the drive letter when I move it).  When I get it all ironed out, I'll add an internal 2 TB SSD.  I want the flexibility to have all of the ROMS and CHDs stored on the same hard drive to make adding games to my list easier.

I just tested NFL Blitz 2000 v1.2, and looked awsome!

Plugged it into one of the old Dell's I have, and GT Fore 1.00.25 runs perfect at max graphics.
     Intel Core I5-6500 3.2 GHz
     

That said, is NFL Blitz still the gold standard for putting the processor to the test, or is there a better game ROM to try?
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Re: Windows computer
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2023, 01:59:44 pm »
whats the frame rate on Gauntlet Legends now a days?

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Re: Windows computer
« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2023, 02:28:30 pm »
I can't remember, how do I check that?

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Re: Windows computer
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2023, 10:42:28 am »
Well, I'm running on my office computer (not the same machine I will use for the arcade machine.  It's an AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 12-Core 3.7 GHz.

Runs flawlessly

Okay, cool. I forgot that I haven't tried the original Fore. I have only tested the 2006 Complete version. Still, good to hear that it's working well on your system.

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Re: Windows computer
« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2023, 10:58:41 am »
I'm going through a major upgrade to my make cabinet after 20 years.  I'm running XP on an older Mame. It's hooked to a Tv CRT and it was awesome. 

The Tv is dying finally and I cannot find another one that fits.  So I am still in denial but I know I will have to move to an LCD screen. And to do that, I will NEED the HLSL/BGFX shaders for CRT effect emulation.   My tests indicate the shader effects are driven my the graphics card and that a LOT of power is needed.  We're talking modern graphics cards of the last 4 years.  And they are so damn expensive thanks to crypto (even though that's a joke now lol).

I wish I could find a smaller format pc (SFF) that could run all pre 1995 games with full CRT effects using the integrated card (iGPU) graphic processing. If anyone know what I'm talking about please speak up!
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Re: Windows computer
« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2023, 12:06:27 pm »
i ran HLSL stuff on a 750ti - it's not new by any stretch of the imagination but worked out okay.

that said, i bought a 1660 super in the midst of crypto for under 300 which is less than what i paid for the 750ti (350ish) when i bought it.

90% of the integrated graphics are good enough for spreadsheets and email but not really good for any kind of gaming. by the time you buy a good enough CPU (i'm talking 12900k or 5700G and higher) that can actually perform on it's iGFX... you might as well dump that cash into a GPU.

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Re: Windows computer
« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2023, 12:20:23 pm »
I want a compact solution.  I'm tired of a huge tower inside my cabinet.   Do you know if a SFF can fit a powerful GPU generally?
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Re: Windows computer
« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2023, 12:51:37 pm »
I want a compact solution.  I'm tired of a huge tower inside my cabinet.   Do you know if a SFF can fit a powerful GPU generally?
I bought a Minisforum B550, which has a GPU dock/bracket you can connect a full sized GPU and SFX power supply to. I use it with my old 1080ti for virtual pinball.

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Re: Windows computer
« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2023, 02:33:19 pm »
I want a compact solution.  I'm tired of a huge tower inside my cabinet.   Do you know if a SFF can fit a powerful GPU generally?

anything can fit anything given enough brute force and ignorance.

generally your limiting factor is going to be your power supply, and space available in the case...especially if you where to go with a prebuilt solution such as dell etc. half height video cards are available in several higher class GPUs. (not like 4090's or anything like that, but zotac makes 1650's in HH.) and short length cards are available across much of the board if you decide to go SFXish size

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Re: Windows computer
« Reply #19 on: February 06, 2023, 01:29:15 pm »
I can't remember, how do I check that?
Me too-(no I7 currently - was it more CPU intensive than Blitz?