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| bobbyb13:
Anybody have one they don't need and would be willing to part with? I was told the Arch Rivals one is surely most prevalent of the 49 way type but maybe any Williams 49 will work. Trying to build a Sinistar cabinet and have all the main bits but the stick at this point. Appreciate any help! Bobby |
| PL1:
--- Quote from: bobbyb13 on December 08, 2021, 06:09:37 pm ---Anybody have one they don't need and would be willing to part with? --- End quote --- Divemaster carries them. http://www.arcadeemulator.net/cgi-bin/shop/cp-app.cgi?usr=51F3302900&rnd=6907118&rrc=N&affl=&cip=&act=&aff=&pg=prod&ref=49-Way+Joystick&cat=Joysticks&catstr=HOME:Joysticks Check out u_rebelscum's page here for technical info about 49-way sticks. If you need a 49-way encoder, GGG carries this one and this one. Scott |
| bobbyb13:
--- Quote from: PL1 on December 08, 2021, 07:46:03 pm --- --- Quote from: bobbyb13 on December 08, 2021, 06:09:37 pm ---Anybody have one they don't need and would be willing to part with? --- End quote --- Divemaster carries them. http://www.arcadeemulator.net/cgi-bin/shop/cp-app.cgi?usr=51F3302900&rnd=6907118&rrc=N&affl=&cip=&act=&aff=&pg=prod&ref=49-Way+Joystick&cat=Joysticks&catstr=HOME:Joysticks Check out u_rebelscum's page here for technical info about 49-way sticks. If you need a 49-way encoder, GGG carries this one and this one. Scott --- End quote --- Thank you as always for the reply Scott! I had forgotten about that brilliant stick breakdown from u_rebelscum. I'm using a Jrok board for this cabinet and I believe only a Williams 49 will work. If only I could use a Happ 49 in this instance (since I have two of those :) ) Or if I was smart enough to be able to build a board to invert all the outputs from my Happ (apparently they are the antithesis of each other) and then build a proper harness to plug into the Jrok then maybe I could use it?! I know the rubber centering scenario is quite different between the two but after 35 years of not playing Sinistar I could never tell the difference myself I'm sure. I have wanted to try using the Happ version as a regular stick in a MAME cabinet though so maybe I will finally get to that after all of this. :lol |
| PL1:
--- Quote from: bobbyb13 on December 09, 2021, 01:38:27 am ---I'm using a Jrok board for this cabinet and I believe only a Williams 49 will work. --- End quote --- I saw that in this KLOV thread, but I also read here that "When enabled the sysfpga expects a 49-way Williams or Midway/Happ joystick to be connected to the pin header on the board." :dunno --- Quote from: bobbyb13 on December 09, 2021, 01:38:27 am ---If only I could use a Happ 49 in this instance (since I have two of those :) ) Or if I was smart enough to be able to build a board to invert all the outputs from my Happ (apparently they are the antithesis of each other) and then build a proper harness to plug into the Jrok then maybe I could use it?! --- End quote --- Check out reply #10 in this KLOV thread. --- Quote from: andrewb ---- Williams games that use one, use a Williams 49-way. - Midway games that use one, use a Midway 49-way. They are not interchangeable. --- Quote from: HudsonArcade ---Of course they're interchangeable -- I made adapter boards to do it. --- End quote --- --- End quote --- Couldn't find a link to the adapter boards he's referring to, but it might be worth contacting him. This page confirms that the Midway/Happ and Williams pinouts are the same, but the signal logic is inverted. http://www.seanriddle.com/49way.html It's probably just a matter of running the eight data lines through a simple inverter circuit like this one. ;D - As explained here, you probably want to use a 74LS04 or 74HCT04 to keep the logic at TTL levels instead of the CMOS levels you'd get from a 74HC04. - Naturally, you'll want Dual Inline Package (DIP) instead of surface mount (SMD) ICs for breadboard/solderable-breadboard/perfboard use. It's easy to breadboard the circuit. - You'll need two of those ICs since there are only 6 inverters per IC. - Get 5v and ground for both the breadboard and stick from the JROK board. - Eight jumpers from the joystick harness to the breadboard on the input side of the inverting op-amps. - Eight jumpers from the output side of the inverting op-amps to the JROK 49-way header. There's a switch test menu on the JROK that should let you know if the inverter circuit works right. Scott |
| bobbyb13:
Brilliant! (of course) :cheers: I suppose I SHOULD be trying to make my own (this is byoac after all, yeah?) I just need to figure out everything that you posted here and order some ICs and harness connectors!! :lol |
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