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| RandyT:
--- Quote from: shponglefan on September 16, 2021, 06:06:14 pm --- --- Quote from: RandyT on August 12, 2021, 09:45:19 am ---Tracker/MOD music was the first thing on computers worthy of piping through a decent audio system. --- End quote --- IMHO that honor belongs to the Roland MT-32 sound module. I'm astounded how good old Sierra games sound hooked up to one of those bad boys. --- End quote --- Being worthy of piping through a decent audio system (i.e. not limiting one's self to the little monitor speakers) and comparing sound technologies are two different things. Sound Monitor software was widely used on the C64 at least a couple of years before anything made use of the MT-32 module. Plus, it was so costly that few even owned it. To be honest, even though the music sounded great through those devices, it felt to me at the time like something was about to be lost. We went from creatively squeezing the last drop of musical performance from very limited sound circuitry, to what was essentially just using a modern synthesizer with some canned samples. It signaled the end of the "one man show" game developers, as the tools were progressing to the point of being accessible to traditionally trained musicians and artists. This demo music sounds as though it could have been produced with Sound Monitor or Rock monitor. The difference between the two was the ability to use limited, low quality samples with the latter. And this one shows some amazing creativity using the limited number of voices available. I have no idea what was used to create the music in this one. Definitely atypical for the 64, but also recent. |
| Xiaou2:
--- Quote from: Ond on September 15, 2021, 06:03:15 pm ---Howard just wanted to know if he should isolate his Subwoofer....and now the question is ..the price of graphics cards.. FS. @ Howard, your question was best answered by BadMouth a few posts after your own :lol He builds speakers and has a good understanding of the topic. @ Xiaou2, your posts are long and full of truths, half truths, and a fair bit of bunk. E.g. getting a set of audiophile headphones is the most affordable way to hear music as the artist intended. I agree, very true! $250+ headphones sounding better than $100K speakers, no. Wall of text to follow? ::) --- End quote --- Its Physics man. The Mass of a large woofers cone + Coil ...means that it takes more energy to be able to stop and start its movements. - If the cone does not stop as fast as the intended signal proposed... then you get distortion of the intended sounds. - If the cone does not accelerate as fast as the intended signal... then you will also have distortions. A headphone driver, is literally light as a feather. Sennheiser also uses aluminum wire coils, to further reduce the cone drivers mass... making the drivers even lighter / faster, and thus even more accuracy is possible. There is no way to easily scale an 8" woofer (or larger), to match an Audiophile headphones responses. If you make the cone too thin and light, it will physically warp as it moves... causing even more distortions. They developed many composite materials that are light and strong... but even then, they still cant match the speed and accuracy of a high quality headphone driver. The only other thing they can, and Do... is to use a more powerful speaker magnet... and potentially make the driver coil stronger. There are limits, as you do not want to change the OHM range too much, you have to match the other drives in the system, and you still tend to want to keep the coil mass down as much as possible too. These speakers will each up much more wattage... but they will have better control of the woofer, due to the increased magnetic strength to get things to move quicker / stop quicker. * I will add, that any woofer less than 8", is never going to have a good deep base response. There are ways to use ports to create extended fake-bass.. but thats artificial and distorted.. and thus not worthy of comparison. I can only assume that you have Never heard an Audiophile level headphone before. Most specifically a Sennheiser HD set. I can tell you, that there is NO comparison from a sub 100$ headphone, or a typically well known brand of "Gaming Headphone"... that can come within 1/100 th of the sound quality that comes from a Audiophile grade Sennheiser headphone. As Ive stated before... the sound was so clear and "3D".. that it made me think that I actually left all 4 of my house speakers on (surround sound) ...when playing a DVD movie. There was also one track on my MP3 players track list, that starts out with a "Thunder" sound effect... and then rolls into soft rain. This very track has fooled me at least two different times... to look out of the nearest window, to see the "Storm" only to realize that there was no storm. I later put the headphones on one of my family members, and as soon as the "storm" section played, they also looked out of the window... not realizing it was from the headphones. Such a feat is not easy, unless you have very high quality drivers, that have such low distortion levels, as to be nearly non-existent, even at the highest of volume levels. I also own a LOT of house speakers, of various brands and qualities. The only speakers that come close are my EPI 100v speakers... and while I got them used and refoamed for 100$... that was not their original listed price "New". According to the data, they were $198 in 1967 to 1970 Dollars. An Inflation calculator says thats over $1000 of todays US dollar currency. They trounce the living daylights out of the $3000 speakers at the local high end stereo shop. (Not even close to competing) But even then... they still have limitations, that the Senns will always be able to defeat, due to the scale / physics. |
| Mike A:
How do you fit all of that audio equipment in the van that you live in? |
| Xiaou2:
--- Quote from: BadMouth on September 16, 2021, 08:10:18 pm --- --- Quote from: shponglefan on September 16, 2021, 06:03:26 pm --- --- Quote from: RandyT on September 16, 2021, 01:37:37 pm ---Even cheap speakers can do a pretty good job in that range with lower volumes and source material without a lot of cross over. --- End quote --- Ima have to disagree with this. As someone who has owned a range of audio gear over the years, I've noticed a distinct difference in the relative quality of respective equipment on the low end. Good low end should be distinct and punchy. Bad low-end can sound muddy and muffled. --- End quote --- Eh, I spent money on Morel CAT308 tweeters and decent Morel woofers to build a pair of speakers for a dedicated listening area. When all was said and done my reaction was... "for the volume levels I listen at, I could have got this sound out of $30 3/4 inch silk domes and Dayton Reference mids." The Morel speakers would no doubt rule at higher volume levels, but I doubt they'll ever be driven hard enough to experience their full potential. The lifelong dream of a dedicated listening room was fun to plan and build, but hasn't been utilized in 6 months. (those subs are on foam furniture pads btw) --- End quote --- I dont have the time to research all of the drives you used. What I can say... is that your main woofers are too small, and the use of Subs to try to fill in the missing mid-bass and low-bass (above sub levels), is going to be very much lacking. In addition... as Ive mentioned before... Tube Ported speakers create artificial bass sounds, which only muddies and distorts the sounds that come out of them. When you hear a quality speaker that is designed for sealed enclosure air-pressures... the natural bass sounds will be like honey to your ears, compared to piles of dog poo. I will always advise picking up a pair of EPI's inverted tweeters. Ive never heard a more spatial 3d soundstage from any other tweeter. There is a guy that hand makes them, that used to work for the original company: https://www.humanspeakers.com/diy/parts/002me.htm Supposedly the new version is even better than the originals... but I couldnt tell you, as I have all original speakers. Im not sure why you would separate music listening, from home theatre? Or maybe you do not have a HT setup? |
| Xiaou2:
--- Quote from: Mike A on September 28, 2021, 10:49:56 am ---How do you fit all of that audio equipment in the van that you live in? --- End quote --- All of the belongings I was able to save, were put into storage for quite some time, before I was able to eventually get back on my feet, and be able to afford a place of my own. That said... Im out of work now... and in if I cant get something within a years time, Im toast. |
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