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Arcade 1up upgrade- what is out there?
« on: April 19, 2021, 11:16:09 am »
Howdy folks..

so, after messing around with my arcade 1up, I feel like I still want a FULL sized arcade machine to go with my full size, currently in build Addams Family machine (all new).   

So, what are the choices out there ?  I am looking for sturdability, and 1:1 4 Player arcade size.  a trackball for arkanoid would also be nice. 

Creative Arcades is an option.  but I'm told there could be cheaper options. I just havn't been able to find one yet :)

any suggestions?

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Re: Arcade 1up upgrade- what is out there?
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2021, 02:52:37 pm »
Cheapest option is almost always going to be, build it yourself. Also the most satisfying. Plenty of free cabinet and control panel plans to be found.

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Re: Arcade 1up upgrade- what is out there?
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2021, 12:37:14 pm »
So, if I wanted to, say reproduce a 1:1 Turtles in Time Machine.....say. 

where would I find plans for this?   And who would be the best place to go to to cut out the parts needed?
I'd also need a good tutorial on how to set it up so it's STABLE and can survive multiple moves.

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« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2021, 02:15:05 pm »
You can download those plans here -

https://www.classicarcadecabinets.com/turtles-in-time-4-player.html

I've seen folks post about taking the CAD files on that site to a local milling company to have a cabinet cut.  I don't have any experience with that though.

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Re: Arcade 1up upgrade- what is out there?
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2021, 08:21:27 pm »
Also pro tip.... stable and mdf don't mix.   if you want the thing to last go with furniture grade plywood.

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Re: Arcade 1up upgrade- what is out there?
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2021, 05:44:39 pm »
Also pro tip.... stable and mdf don't mix.   if you want the thing to last go with furniture grade plywood.
Yes.  If you are building it so that it can eventually be disassembled do not use MDF. 

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Re: Arcade 1up upgrade- what is out there?
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2021, 08:44:22 pm »


https://www.wayfair.com/furniture/pdp/n2fun-mamehyperspin-marvel-vs-capcom-upright-arcade-game-nunm1002.html



Wait - does it come with those Xbox 360 controllers?  I can’t believe they would just throw them in - what a deal!

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Re: Arcade 1up upgrade- what is out there?
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2021, 08:48:29 pm »
Also pro tip.... stable and mdf don't mix.   if you want the thing to last go with furniture grade plywood.

Not necessarily so.

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Re: Arcade 1up upgrade- what is out there?
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2021, 10:24:09 pm »
Put some leg levelers on, place on reasonably level floor and a full size will be stable just because it'll weigh a ton.

If you plan on moving it frequently, and it'll be a 4 player control panel, make sure to make it easily removeable.

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Re: Arcade 1up upgrade- what is out there?
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2021, 10:47:12 am »
You can download those plans here -

https://www.classicarcadecabinets.com/turtles-in-time-4-player.html

I've seen folks post about taking the CAD files on that site to a local milling company to have a cabinet cut.  I don't have any experience with that though.

So, I looked at the plans.   the only one that has one  that looks like it's printable ready is the Side Panels.  the rest look all jumbled together.  how would a printer know what to do with them?
first shop that came up when I googled was this site.  anyone use them?  too bad I can't make it out of plastic :).

https://www.emachineshop.com/main/

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« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2021, 10:48:00 am »


https://www.wayfair.com/furniture/pdp/n2fun-mamehyperspin-marvel-vs-capcom-upright-arcade-game-nunm1002.html




$2,000's more than the creative arcades one I was looking at and it doesn't look like standard size, so konami art wouldn't fit on it :). nope :).

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Re: Arcade 1up upgrade- what is out there?
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2021, 05:56:07 pm »
Also pro tip.... stable and mdf don't mix.   if you want the thing to last go with furniture grade plywood.

Not necessarily so.


I would like to know the benefit you think mdf has over plywood as other than cost because I can't think of one.   The stuff is heavier, more brittle on the sides, swells up if any moisture hits it and is far more susceptible to rot if it's in a moist environment.   In addition because of all the issues it has with moisture, you have to seal the edges and treat the surface prior to painting.   

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Re: Arcade 1up upgrade- what is out there?
« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2021, 09:21:41 pm »
Also pro tip.... stable and mdf don't mix.   if you want the thing to last go with furniture grade plywood.

Not necessarily so.


I would like to know the benefit you think mdf has over plywood as other than cost because I can't think of one.   The stuff is heavier, more brittle on the sides, swells up if any moisture hits it and is far more susceptible to rot if it's in a moist environment.   In addition because of all the issues it has with moisture, you have to seal the edges and treat the surface prior to painting.   

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,163207.40.html

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Re: Arcade 1up upgrade- what is out there?
« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2021, 04:32:32 am »
[quote author28=Shredder1 link=topic=164974.msg1740850#msg1740850 date=1621203352]
https://www.homedepot.com/b/Lumber-Composites-Plywood-Sheathing-Plywood/N-5yc1vZc7q5

like this?
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Sheathing ply won't cut it- even the best grade stuff.  Trying to use it for cabinet making will be really frustrating, take more time and yield a much lower quality result.
If Home Depot is your jam then check out this PureBond stuff.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Columbia-Forest-Products-23-32-in-x-4-ft-x-8-ft-PureBond-Poplar-Plywood-770579/203335841?MERCH=REC-_-searchViewed-_-NA-_-203335841-_-N&

The above is the cheapest/lowest quality I would ever use- and it works perfectly well.
Even the glue they use is not the nasty stuff used for most other ply.
Most locations will actually have a choice of poplar, birch, oak, etc.
Price varies, so pick what suits your budget and taste.

If it is to be painted or won't have edge banding/T-molding applied, MDF that is properly sealed makes for an outstanding finish with far less work than plywood of any sort.

It IS heavier than regular ply and WILL swell and disintegrate if it gets soaked (and a pretty sustained soaking that is) but if your cabinet gets that wet for that long I imagine you have much bigger problems to address.

After I got halfway through my last build I wished I had spec'd some MDF in a few places and the plywood I linked to above for the rest of it.

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« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2021, 10:51:25 am »
what would be good to use in the mdf department from HD?

If I can start with replicating the control panel, it'll get me going at least and get my feet wet :).


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« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2021, 01:17:20 pm »
It really depends on what you want to build.

For a straightforward cabinet use that 3/4" cabinet plywood.

MDF is good in certain spots for advanced projects (see pretty much any of Ond's build threads for what I'm talking about!)

I use the poplar PureBond for most things.

Mock up control panels on cardboard with a pencil to check arrangement and spacing first!
Any cabinet you make should be built around your controls and monitor.

You may find something here that is easier to follow if you are doing this all by hand!

http://jakobud.com/cabinetPlans.php


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Re: Arcade 1up upgrade- what is out there?
« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2021, 02:44:06 pm »
I guess I can agree with build around your controls and monitor. Honestly recommend if you are gonna build it yourself, go with a 27" minimum. The damn things are so cheap, why would you NOT go big? It's only going to cost you a couple bucks more in wood on the design.

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Re: Arcade 1up upgrade- what is out there?
« Reply #19 on: May 18, 2021, 12:10:00 pm »
I'd like 32" screen.  but that is way off in the future.  first job is to figure out the wood cutting.


those other plans seem a bit more /right/ for, well , detail planning.

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Re: Arcade 1up upgrade- what is out there?
« Reply #20 on: May 18, 2021, 12:19:28 pm »
I'd like 32" screen.  but that is way off in the future.  first job is to figure out the wood cutting.

Listen to the advice.  You don't want to start cutting till you have the monitor size set in stone.  I know it sucks to wait but I've had 2 projects where I waited till I got the TV till I designed the cab.  For my VPIN I had to decase the TV to figure out the exact size I needed it to fit in.

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Re: Arcade 1up upgrade- what is out there?
« Reply #21 on: May 18, 2021, 01:13:08 pm »
i'm trying not to get ahead of myself.  but, if we are to talk monitors..
what was the originals size?  24"? 

would something like this be available in 32?

https://mikesarcade.com/cgi-bin/store.pl?sku=19LCDNIN

also the old way..
https://shop.xgaming.com/products/tri-mode-crt-arcade-monitor


https://www.amazon.com/Monitor-Cocktail-cabinets-industrial-mountable/dp/B015YBODJ8
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« Reply #22 on: May 18, 2021, 01:28:18 pm »
If you are talking about games prior to mid 2000s then they were all CRTs.
If you want authentic, that is it.
Really hard to find a real arcade CRT new these days, but it can be pulled off with a curb find TV if you are patient and industrious.

Most were 19" screens, some were larger.

Do yourself a HUGE favor and spend as much time here as you need to before you actually start buying or building anything.
http://wiki.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/Basics

Game list first.

Control panel layout to suit those games well next.

Screen type, orientation and size after that- to ascertain cabinet width, height etc.

A well made cabinet is more fun to play and will get more use.
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« Reply #23 on: May 18, 2021, 01:48:53 pm »
You don't need a new arcade CRT.

A properly maintained used CRT will outlast a modern display.

On top of that, if it does break, you can fix it.



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« Reply #24 on: May 18, 2021, 01:52:13 pm »
PERSONALLY, I've had bad experiences with crt...so I would prefer to stick with LCD :).  cheap to replace if needed and easier to stock :).


while the classic 'feel' would be nice, it's not needed imho.

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« Reply #25 on: May 18, 2021, 07:19:14 pm »
No offense but it sounds like you don't want to listen to anybody.   That is fine, but why are you asking for help then?

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« Reply #26 on: May 18, 2021, 07:42:05 pm »

Game list first.

Control panel layout to suit those games well next.

Screen type, orientation and size after that- to ascertain cabinet width, height etc.

A well made cabinet is more fun to play and will get more use.

Authentic doesn't bother me too much.  I'd like this to be able to use jamma and pi.  and will be mostly an arcade specific machine.   xmen, simpsons, nba jam, tmnt, mortal kombat.
although to be honest, I will most likely be using pi most of the time just because it's newer tech.

Will most likely need at least 4 buttons per each control, maybe 6 to be sure.  but I think I can make do with 4.  MK can always be taken out.

I'd like a 32" screen at least. no bigger, to avoid distortion.  and no smaller than 24.    like someone said, why not go bigger?

No offense but it sounds like you don't want to listen to anybody. 
When you see a post like this on virtually every build thread I do, they get easy to ignore....sigh.  almost never fails.

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Re: Arcade 1up upgrade- what is out there?
« Reply #27 on: May 18, 2021, 08:31:23 pm »
You're original question was fairly general.  You've ben given some advice from folks here with alot of experience.  You can use a bigger monitor if you want to.  What else do you want to know?

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« Reply #28 on: May 18, 2021, 09:46:36 pm »

No offense but it sounds like you don't want to listen to anybody. 
When you see a post like this on virtually every build thread I do, they get easy to ignore....sigh.  almost never fails.

Ok well I didn't say it in another thread which means multiple people are saying the same thing to you.   Generally when a group of random people are telling you the same thing it isn't them... it's you.   I'm not trying to fight I'm trying to get you the info you need which means you need to be open to everyone's suggestions.   Ultimately of course the decision is up to you.

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« Reply #29 on: May 19, 2021, 04:20:22 am »

Game list first.

Control panel layout to suit those games well next.

Screen type, orientation and size after that- to ascertain cabinet width, height etc.

A well made cabinet is more fun to play and will get more use.

Authentic doesn't bother me too much.  I'd like this to be able to use jamma and pi.  and will be mostly an arcade specific machine.   xmen, simpsons, nba jam, tmnt, mortal kombat.
although to be honest, I will most likely be using pi most of the time just because it's newer tech.

Will most likely need at least 4 buttons per each control, maybe 6 to be sure.  but I think I can make do with 4.  MK can always be taken out.

I'd like a 32" screen at least. no bigger, to avoid distortion.  and no smaller than 24.    like someone said, why not go bigger?

No offense but it sounds like you don't want to listen to anybody. 
When you see a post like this on virtually every build thread I do, they get easy to ignore....sigh.  almost never fails.

When you ask the most knowledgeable people in the room (and I do NOT include myself) for advice, and a number of the best at this offer hard won wisdom (seriously!) in regard to things you specifically asked about, and you reply with a sigh...?

I can't imagine you have read enough to ask the right questions about what you want to build.
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« Reply #30 on: May 19, 2021, 12:49:27 pm »
how exactly am I not listening to advice?

 you said I should be talking about monitors, and despite the fact that I thought that was getting way ahead of myself, I started to bring them up.

you said I could  go bigger because the things where so cheap..so I decided on a 32" monitor over the original 20-24.

you mentioned plywood, so I went looking at various types of plywood.....

this is what gets tiring about that question because it does seem like someone wanting to start trouble.

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« Reply #31 on: May 19, 2021, 01:13:15 pm »
...I will most likely be using pi most of the time just because it's newer tech.

Well between this statement above and regarding LCD's as good or better than CRTs I think you caused everyone to throw up.

I mean I like my RetroPie build but I would never say its better than a PC its more like bottom of the barrel you can get by with.  I liked it for a simple bartop but would not use one for a full sized cab.  I was also hesitant to use CRTs cause I had no experience with them.  Now I've built 2 cabs with CRTs and they blow away an LCD.  I've even done my own cap kit and disassembled and cleaned a chassis and also bought a Sencore tube rejuventor and restored the CRT in my Defender.  I went from knowing zero about CRTs to accomplishing some nice stuff with them.  If you want to stick with LCD fine but you really need to buy a good LCD not a "cheap" one.

Also from earlier in the thread it sounded like you needed to have all your wood cut by someone else.  Do you really have no power tools?  If so I'm not sure I'd recommend you start this project at all.

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Re: Arcade 1up upgrade- what is out there?
« Reply #32 on: May 19, 2021, 01:39:28 pm »
Now that isn't fair. I myself don't have power tools.. well I do but I suck at using them. I take all my stuff to my cabinetry company for cutting. They don't charge but a few bucks to make the cuts I need, then it's a matter of just assembling which I can for sure handle. If someone told me I shouldn't even start because I don't have tools, I'd give them the finger. If that is a crutch for some, it's not a crutch that can't be fixed. The CRT advice, while good, isn't necessary except to the most demanding gamers. A nice decent spec monitor with good brightness and contrast adjustments works fine for most people, but honestly, if you are investing money in a full size, take the advice of Mike Holmes and do it right the first time. Don't settle for part "x" now when you know you want to eventually put in part "z" later on. This holds double true for monitors.

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Re: Arcade 1up upgrade- what is out there?
« Reply #33 on: May 19, 2021, 09:58:20 pm »
Even though the monitor is the main attraction and the one component you look at more than anything else, monitor choice is still subjective to personal opinions. I'm one of those guys in the middle. I have 7 arcade cabinets and 5 have LCD's. Some of the LCD's have scan line generators, or filters, but for me, LCD's are authentic enough in most cases. I use a CRT for my classic 4 way vertical cabinet and Star Wars cabinet.

OP - you got some good advice here. Let me throw my opinion on the pile. I've built many cabinets and by far the easiest and best option is finding an original and rebuilding it. And with the cost of wood, it might even be cheaper. Check out the local scene to see what kind of cabinets are availabe.

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Re: Arcade 1up upgrade- what is out there?
« Reply #34 on: May 20, 2021, 09:44:15 am »
I will admit to using an LCD in one of my cabinets.  I'm not proud of it, because it was the direct result of laziness on my part, as I removed a good CRT which probably just needed a cap kit.  One of  these days, I'll fix the CRT and it will go back in. 

The LCD looks fine, but it just doesn't "feel" right.  So that cabinet ends up barely used because I always seem to gravitate toward the one with the big CRT.  The one thing I think LCDs have over standard arcade-res CRTs is raw resolution, which can really improve vector games.  A very bright, high contrast LCD would be my "go to" for that application, barring the use of an actual vector monitor.

But, to each their own.  A lot of folks getting into the hobby aren't even old enough to have seen what the games are supposed to look like, let alone care enough to deal with the challenges of getting an arcade-res CRT working with modern computing devices.  LCD is all they've ever known, so they think that is what the games looked like.  Without the element of nostalgia, they might even prefer the LCD, not understanding that some of those well-defined pixels were never intended to be that visibly well-defined.

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Re: Arcade 1up upgrade- what is out there?
« Reply #35 on: May 20, 2021, 10:51:17 am »
I am embarrased to admit this, but my problem with an CRT is as an in experienced youth.

During my early teenage years, I bought a used Wizards of WOR cabinet that I used to house my TMNT and Simpsons  boards in.  everything was going fine, but the suction cup on the back of the monitor kept on coming off.    In case you can't tell where this story was going, It came off when I was in the middle of a game one time, and rather than shutting it off and doing it safley, I assumed that the plastic would act as a buffer to any electricity around the monitor. 

Well, I was wrong, and I got zapped pretty good.  thankfully, I'm still here to tell the tale of stupidity, so it obviously didn't damage me much that I could tell.  but I learned that day how dangerous CRT monitors could be if you don't know what you are doing.  and since then I've been using LCD's.   after that, I got a Jrock convertor and said goodbye to the CRT :).

as for Tools, yes, I think we do have the ability to cut wood here in the ware house, but it's not our primary function.  it's much easier to send out stuff to people who do it for a living and get it sent back.

if I where to use a 32" LCD, how much modification would those plans need?  does anyone have one around that would account for such?

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Re: Arcade 1up upgrade- what is out there?
« Reply #36 on: May 20, 2021, 11:15:21 am »
The worst a CRT will do is zap you a bit if you don't discharge the chassis correctly.

The only way a CRT could seriously injure you is if someone dropped one on your head.



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Re: Arcade 1up upgrade- what is out there?
« Reply #37 on: May 20, 2021, 11:27:58 am »
well, that makes me feel better :).

although I swear that is where my constant static shock came from ;o).

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Re: Arcade 1up upgrade- what is out there?
« Reply #38 on: May 20, 2021, 11:30:23 am »
Yeah I zapped myself pretty good many years ago.  I had one of those huge CRT TVs...I forget how big but it was hard for 2 people to carry.  It quit working so I thought hey I'm an electrical engineer I can fix it.  I tried to remove the board but that big red wire going into the tube was keeping it attached.  I thought the same thing as long as I just touch the rubber I'm fine.  Didn't even think about the voltage being high enough to arc.  I was squeezing the clip holding the rubber when I was treated to one of the loudest pops I've ever heard and I stood there frozen for a second thinking...ok...I think I'm still alive. 

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Re: Arcade 1up upgrade- what is out there?
« Reply #39 on: May 20, 2021, 11:46:59 am »
I didn't have an internet to learn not to do that crap back then....lol.