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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #80 on: May 26, 2021, 05:44:44 am »
Also the psx guns with recoil won't have any advanced feature for the recoil, as they can't be directly controlled by my adapter.
Perhaps  we can separate the recoil system to make this work also

Do we need the component Signal to make your adapter works?
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That is indeed entirely possible if you are willing to sacrifice the original gun  :lol
And yes you do need to use the composite signal for the gun to work on crt.
You'd need to add a wire for the solenoid control.
I also considered using a psx port unused pin for that, if the gun wire has it. But it wouldn't be failproof.
So I will see what can be done.

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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #81 on: May 27, 2021, 07:55:02 pm »
Looks great! I guess this is the device a lot of people including me have been waiting for a long time.

I've ordered a GCon already but would also like a gun with recoil. Any recommendation?

Thanks
I must say psx guns with recoil are harder and harder to come by.
But the adapter will also support arcade guns, so if you are willing to get a real arcade gun with recoil and crt sensor in it, it should work ;)

Well, are those arcade guns really easier to find than PS1 recoil guns I wonder.
If you order them from the distributors out there, yes they are easier to find. Not necessarily cheaper tho, just more common.
Also the psx guns with recoil won't have any advanced feature for the recoil, as they can't be directly controlled by my adapter.
Arcade guns feedbacks will be fully supported.

Well I'm not sure I understand what no advanced recoil features means exactly. On a PSX, is the recoil activated when the trigger is pulled or by some feedback signal from the console/game?


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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #82 on: May 27, 2021, 10:16:19 pm »



Well I'm not sure I understand what no advanced recoil features means exactly. On a PSX, is the recoil activated when the trigger is pulled or by some feedback signal from the console/game?

I think there can be automatic modes, not only single shots...
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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #83 on: May 27, 2021, 10:34:19 pm »
Looks great! I guess this is the device a lot of people including me have been waiting for a long time.

I've ordered a GCon already but would also like a gun with recoil. Any recommendation?

Thanks
I must say psx guns with recoil are harder and harder to come by.
But the adapter will also support arcade guns, so if you are willing to get a real arcade gun with recoil and crt sensor in it, it should work ;)

Well, are those arcade guns really easier to find than PS1 recoil guns I wonder.
If you order them from the distributors out there, yes they are easier to find. Not necessarily cheaper tho, just more common.
Also the psx guns with recoil won't have any advanced feature for the recoil, as they can't be directly controlled by my adapter.
Arcade guns feedbacks will be fully supported.

Well I'm not sure I understand what no advanced recoil features means exactly. On a PSX, is the recoil activated when the trigger is pulled or by some feedback signal from the console/game?
Advanced features means being able to fully control the recoil and other feedback with my adapter, allowing the fine tune its behavior, and also sync it with in game feedbacks for games that support it (with mamehooker for instance).
On the psx there are no officially supported feedbacks from the console or game, it's only handled by the gun electronic (usually on/off/fullauto modes only).

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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #84 on: May 28, 2021, 06:35:42 am »
Advanced features means being able to fully control the recoil and other feedback with my adapter, allowing the fine tune its behavior, and also sync it with in game feedbacks for games that support it (with mamehooker for instance).
On the psx there are no officially supported feedbacks from the console or game, it's only handled by the gun electronic (usually on/off/fullauto modes only).

Ok thank you for your explanation.

Regarding arcade guns, are there any specification I should look for or anything will be fine as long as it's arcade crt stuff?

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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #85 on: May 28, 2021, 07:11:21 am »
Advanced features means being able to fully control the recoil and other feedback with my adapter, allowing the fine tune its behavior, and also sync it with in game feedbacks for games that support it (with mamehooker for instance).
On the psx there are no officially supported feedbacks from the console or game, it's only handled by the gun electronic (usually on/off/fullauto modes only).

Ok thank you for your explanation.

Regarding arcade guns, are there any specification I should look for or anything will be fine as long as it's arcade crt stuff?
I haven't tested them all yet, but I will publish an officially supported list whenever it's ready  ;D

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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #86 on: May 28, 2021, 08:51:38 am »
Advanced features means being able to fully control the recoil and other feedback with my adapter, allowing the fine tune its behavior, and also sync it with in game feedbacks for games that support it (with mamehooker for instance).
On the psx there are no officially supported feedbacks from the console or game, it's only handled by the gun electronic (usually on/off/fullauto modes only).

Ok thank you for your explanation.

Regarding arcade guns, are there any specification I should look for or anything will be fine as long as it's arcade crt stuff?
I haven't tested them all yet, but I will publish an officially supported list whenever it's ready  ;D

Well noted and thanks for providing us with great gaming gun solutions!

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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #87 on: May 29, 2021, 07:04:33 pm »
JayBee, would your system be compatible with an actlab lightgun, now that we have identified their pinout?

I'm thinking of ordering another spare gun from them while they still have some, in order to have a pair.



without a box to connect to, they are rather useless...
« Last Edit: May 29, 2021, 11:47:54 pm by Marsupial »
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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #88 on: May 31, 2021, 06:17:56 am »
JayBee, would your system be compatible with an actlab lightgun, now that we have identified their pinout?

I'm thinking of ordering another spare gun from them while they still have some, in order to have a pair.



without a box to connect to, they are rather useless...
I am not sure, but tbh I don't really see the point of doing that since the actlab guns do have very similar functions as my guns.
And it would be a bit of a waste in my opinion, since any cheaper gun will work as well on my adapter.

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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #89 on: May 31, 2021, 11:18:33 am »
Actlab are no longer available, but they still have the red replacement gun available in liquidation for rather cheap.

Don't know for how long.

If they would have been compatible with your system, I'd have snagged one while there's still some.

So, thanks for the info, you just saved me 30$ lol
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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #90 on: May 31, 2021, 11:47:27 am »
Actlab are no longer available, but they still have the red replacement gun available in liquidation for rather cheap.

Don't know for how long.

If they would have been compatible with your system, I'd have snagged one while there's still some.

So, thanks for the info, you just saved me 30$ lol
I see   :lol
Issue here is that even if you have the pinout, we can't be sure about the logic the gun is using.
So it's a bit of a gamble.

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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #91 on: June 06, 2021, 09:21:01 pm »
Actlab are no longer available, but they still have the red replacement gun available in liquidation for rather cheap.

Don't know for how long.

If they would have been compatible with your system, I'd have snagged one while there's still some.

So, thanks for the info, you just saved me 30$ lol
I see   
Issue here is that even if you have the pinout, we can't be sure about the logic the gun is using.
So it's a bit of a gamble.
There is no logic in the gun. The components are directly wired to the box. The logic is all in the box.
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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #92 on: June 06, 2021, 09:41:35 pm »
Actlab are no longer available, but they still have the red replacement gun available in liquidation for rather cheap.

Don't know for how long.

If they would have been compatible with your system, I'd have snagged one while there's still some.

So, thanks for the info, you just saved me 30$ lol
I see   
Issue here is that even if you have the pinout, we can't be sure about the logic the gun is using.
So it's a bit of a gamble.
There is no logic in the gun. The components are directly wired to the box. The logic is all in the box.
I meant the logic of the sensor and fhe buttons.
I'd bet it's active low for both sensor and buttons, like most guns, but that's not 100% sure.
It could be analog light sensor and handle by the outside board, and active low for the buttons, no way to know without checking the gun inside.

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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #93 on: June 06, 2021, 09:49:32 pm »
That's what I meant, I already poked at the guts of the gun when looking to change the board from their gen 1 to newer model.

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=165030.msg1739986.msg#1739986

It is an analog light sensor with zero logic in the gun, the cable is directly connected to the sensor - gnd/5v/sig

The buttons are actively connecting to ground when pressed.

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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #94 on: June 06, 2021, 09:58:42 pm »
That's what I meant, I already poked at the guts of the gun when looking to change the board from their gen 1 to newer model.

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=165030.msg1739986.msg#1739986

It is an analog light sensor with zero logic in the gun, the cable is directly connected to the sensor - gnd/5v/sig

The buttons are actively connecting to ground when pressed.
I see. There are still various kinds of 3 pins sensors tho, with this 3 pins it could be logic state or analog, and checking if it's active low or active high is still needed  ;)

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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #95 on: June 06, 2021, 10:09:19 pm »
That's what I meant, I already poked at the guts of the gun when looking to change the board from their gen 1 to newer model.

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=165030.msg1739986.msg#1739986

It is an analog light sensor with zero logic in the gun, the cable is directly connected to the sensor - gnd/5v/sig

The buttons are actively connecting to ground when pressed.
I see. There are still various kinds of 3 pins sensors tho, with this 3 pins it could be logic state or analog, and checking if it's active low or active high is still needed  ;)
Being that it was sold in early 2000, I'd bet it's a plain analog sensor, but haven't made specific measurements on it.
Let me know if there's any measurements I can do that would help...
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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #96 on: June 23, 2021, 02:13:08 am »
The Guncon I ordered from Japan finally arrived, I'm so ready for this!

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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #97 on: August 11, 2021, 01:46:28 pm »
Can't wait for ordering...

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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #98 on: August 14, 2021, 01:04:32 am »
Well, here I am trying to get my USB2Gun system finally set up correctly and really struggling to get recoil working and to calibrate the damn Guns properly, but now it seems that that whole setup might be obsolete. Will your system be compatible with Happ guns? You think this is something you might be offering soon? Iíd be in. Iíve wanted a good CRT light gun cab for a loooong time and Iím just not having luck getting the USB2Gun working right. Iím not good with the stuff like so many on this board. Anyway, sounds like great work! Looking forward to a finished product!
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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #99 on: August 30, 2021, 06:02:50 am »
i just bought a crt bang olfuson that happens to just fit right in the cabinet.
i was already thinking ahead with led sensor where to put the sensor, this solution comes at the perfect time if no sensor is needed and accuracy is perfect

Hope to see the project soon
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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #100 on: October 12, 2021, 04:08:32 pm »
Would GUN2CRT be able to work on an XBox? It's Hard to find good light guns on there and it would be cool to use it on VirtuaCop 3 and HoD3 etc

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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #101 on: December 03, 2021, 04:02:25 pm »
Any update how s this progress is going Jaybee   :)

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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #102 on: March 19, 2022, 08:53:58 am »


Hey guys,

Most of you probably know me already for my GUN4IR system, the lightgun system that works on pretty much any system/screen.

I have been teasing it for a while now, but here I officially announce my next upcoming lightgun system, that this time is focused only on CRT based gun.
It will take the shape of a VGA/USB box that will allow you to plug any Guncon/G-Con45 compatible gun on any system with a CRT screen.

Here are few of the features of that system;
  • Plug and play, just connect the adapter to your device and connect a GCon to it, and you're ready to go.
  • No IR sensor or any other special device needed. As it's using the native GCon protocol, that uses analog CRT raster, it will work out of the box
  • No special software/processing needed. Like my other system, it will have a standard input that works on any system (Windows, Linux, RPi, MiSTerFPGA...)
  • No need for special switches for different video mode. The device should be detecting every video mode automatically and adapt to it.

Here is a small demo of it working on the MiSTerFPGA;


What is the status of this?? I am quite keen to see it up and running and will almost certainly buy one

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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #103 on: March 19, 2022, 03:44:05 pm »
This project got put on hold due to the global parts shortage, unfortunately.


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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #104 on: March 20, 2022, 11:23:22 pm »
 :'(

Hope all this shortage crud gets sorted out soon.  I wanted one of these.

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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #105 on: March 31, 2022, 03:07:24 am »
This project got put on hold due to the global parts shortage, unfortunately.

Well that is a shame, seems a couple places having this issue now.

I repair C4 Corvette dash clusters and have been waiting over 12 months to buy a plug in test unit for the later model clusters, but i can't get one because there is no parts available to build the damn things!!!

I am very interested in this project of yours though, will most certainly be keen to buy when you have something ready to go :)