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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #40 on: March 08, 2021, 09:22:40 pm »
Thanks for the detailed explanation  :)

About 31kHz+ resolutions on ypbrpr, I was thinking specifically about early BVM/HDTV that had only components in for 480p and up.

But I agree with you, that use case scenario is very small.
I do understand the technical limitations and there isn't much we can do about it, I just wanted to make sure I understood the technical side of the transcoder ;)

Yes well I do have a strong tendency to say more than I need to. More rather than less. Something I have always battled with as a professional policy advisor when all I feel I need to say is not necessarily what they want to hear. It might even be a strength.

Digressing. One thing I have never battled much with is telling things as they are. One of my strengths I think.

Back to business: I don't know how GreenAntz will perform with a BVM at HDTV/480p+ but expect it to not do well, as explained above and in the original thread. I don't see this as a limitation - frankly it is a side issue - and not relevant to 99% of potential applications.
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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #41 on: March 08, 2021, 10:16:33 pm »
Thanks for the detailed explanation  :)

About 31kHz+ resolutions on ypbrpr, I was thinking specifically about early BVM/HDTV that had only components in for 480p and up.

But I agree with you, that use case scenario is very small.
I do understand the technical limitations and there isn't much we can do about it, I just wanted to make sure I understood the technical side of the transcoder ;)

Yes well I do have a strong tendency to say more than I need to. More rather than less. Something I have always battled with as a professional policy advisor when all I feel I need to say is not necessarily what they want to hear. It might even be a strength.

Digressing. One thing I have never battled much with is telling things as they are. One of my strengths I think.

Back to business: I don't know how GreenAntz will perform with a BVM at HDTV/480p+ but expect it to not do well, as explained above and in the original thread. I don't see this as a limitation - frankly it is a side issue - and not relevant to 99% of potential applications.
No worries, I have the same issue, I guess it's a common trait for us, tech enthusiasts  ;D
Better too much info than not enough.

Yeah it's all good, I'm sure our devices will make a good combo.

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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #42 on: March 08, 2021, 10:20:02 pm »
Thanks for stepping in, indeed your device seems a great match for my adapter!  :D
I'm also using a xnor sync combiner in my device, so a rgbhv to ypbpr would surely be overkill, but rgbs to ypbpr would be neat.
I'm wondering tho, my adapter supports 480p+ resolutions, but if I understand it correctly your adapter can't have correct color on HDTV modes, right?

Thanks JayBee   :)

The issue is that component colour space for HDTV is different to SDTV. It will actually work with a HDTV that takes 480p in terms of sync, you will get a solid picture, but the colours will be a bit dulled and "green shifted". It has never been a solution for HDTVs that accept component inputs. In most cases you are better off using RGB/VGA/HDMI etc. anyway (there are exceptions, Wii users for example and I'm sorry for them being caught in-between techs). It comes down to them using a different mathematical formula to extract YUV from RGB for HDTV. For more info with less acronyms: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YUV

Yes GreenAntz accepts composite sync (RGBs) input now - and normal XNOR csync input will still benefit from the deglitching and better sync tip integration to luma. It take what it gets and gives what it gets, just a little bit better.

GreenAntz has always been envisioned as a more affordable solution for retrogamers using older CRT SDTVs that maybe can't be RGB modded, but have component inputs available or can be component-modded. Component modding is often much easier too. This means a great many more TVs available for retrogaming.

When I say affordable: Look, you can pay >US$100+ for a Shinybow or whatever that can do HDTV ok I think. If they are even available. GreenAntz is not competing with that.

GreenAntz is about making best-quality YPbPr transcoding "affordable" and "seamless" for retrogamers using CRTs/SDTVs. For people like you and me. I think that "best-quality" means I am extremely happy with it at both a data analysis and personal level (I am a data analyst, so same thing). "Affordable" means about as much as I'd pay for most decent TVs, which is maybe ~US$50. "Seamless" means once you have your VGA/15khz output device setup, you should be able to just plug in the GreenAntz and use your component TV like any other RGB TV/monitor.
Thanks for the detailed explanation  :)

About 31kHz+ resolutions on ypbrpr, I was thinking specifically about early BVM/HDTV that had only components in for 480p and up.

But I agree with you, that use case scenario is very small.
I do understand the technical limitations and there isn't much we can do about it, I just wanted to make sure I understood the technical side of the transcoder ;)

It does exactly what it is designed to do, is not a technical limitation.
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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #43 on: March 08, 2021, 10:26:45 pm »
Thanks for stepping in, indeed your device seems a great match for my adapter!  :D
I'm also using a xnor sync combiner in my device, so a rgbhv to ypbpr would surely be overkill, but rgbs to ypbpr would be neat.
I'm wondering tho, my adapter supports 480p+ resolutions, but if I understand it correctly your adapter can't have correct color on HDTV modes, right?

Thanks JayBee   :)

The issue is that component colour space for HDTV is different to SDTV. It will actually work with a HDTV that takes 480p in terms of sync, you will get a solid picture, but the colours will be a bit dulled and "green shifted". It has never been a solution for HDTVs that accept component inputs. In most cases you are better off using RGB/VGA/HDMI etc. anyway (there are exceptions, Wii users for example and I'm sorry for them being caught in-between techs). It comes down to them using a different mathematical formula to extract YUV from RGB for HDTV. For more info with less acronyms: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YUV

Yes GreenAntz accepts composite sync (RGBs) input now - and normal XNOR csync input will still benefit from the deglitching and better sync tip integration to luma. It take what it gets and gives what it gets, just a little bit better.

GreenAntz has always been envisioned as a more affordable solution for retrogamers using older CRT SDTVs that maybe can't be RGB modded, but have component inputs available or can be component-modded. Component modding is often much easier too. This means a great many more TVs available for retrogaming.

When I say affordable: Look, you can pay >US$100+ for a Shinybow or whatever that can do HDTV ok I think. If they are even available. GreenAntz is not competing with that.

GreenAntz is about making best-quality YPbPr transcoding "affordable" and "seamless" for retrogamers using CRTs/SDTVs. For people like you and me. I think that "best-quality" means I am extremely happy with it at both a data analysis and personal level (I am a data analyst, so same thing). "Affordable" means about as much as I'd pay for most decent TVs, which is maybe ~US$50. "Seamless" means once you have your VGA/15khz output device setup, you should be able to just plug in the GreenAntz and use your component TV like any other RGB TV/monitor.
Thanks for the detailed explanation  :)

About 31kHz+ resolutions on ypbrpr, I was thinking specifically about early BVM/HDTV that had only components in for 480p and up.

But I agree with you, that use case scenario is very small.
I do understand the technical limitations and there isn't much we can do about it, I just wanted to make sure I understood the technical side of the transcoder ;)

It does exactly what it is designed to do, is not a technical limitation.
I know, I meant the technical limitations of the ypbpr color space between SDTV and HDTV  ;)

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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #44 on: March 08, 2021, 10:56:07 pm »
I know, I meant the technical limitations of the ypbpr color space between SDTV and HDTV  ;)

Sorry yeah, not much we can do about that. Forums are so rubbish for realtime interaction too. What I really want to say is "what you have done is just amazing".

Back at issue, if wanting to use YPbPr with later-model HDTV I suggest looking at using GreenAntz together with a scaler, another thing altogether.

GreenAntz performs excellently in the tests we've done for SDTV/15khz with all modes from ~50hz to ~60hz+. I've also had reports for  GreenAntz working for YPbPr where like MiSTer has not, for example, esp for PAL modes. So it still has a few tricks up it's sleeves vs alternatives
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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #45 on: March 08, 2021, 11:24:02 pm »
This project looks awesome and already has me looking around my city for a nice crt tv lol. Just curious what this device might cost once all said and done?

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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #46 on: March 09, 2021, 01:17:30 am »
Ok how about this scenario.   I use gbs control to pump native rgbs into a crt with component in. I believe the max output is 480p.  There's no upscaling or anything like that involved, the only thing it does is convert to component so if it's a 240p signal   that's what the tv is going to get.   Would that work or is the conversion enough to throw off the timing?

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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #47 on: March 09, 2021, 05:23:45 am »
Ok how about this scenario.   I use gbs control to pump native rgbs into a crt with component in. I believe the max output is 480p.  There's no upscaling or anything like that involved, the only thing it does is convert to component so if it's a 240p signal   that's what the tv is going to get.   Would that work or is the conversion enough to throw off the timing?

Can't speak for GBS but GreenAntz would be essentially "zero delay" as there is no digital processing. In reality nothing is "zero" delay, even analogue transcoders will involve some delay, but with GreenAntz delay is no more than a few tens of nanoseconds. Even in the hundreds of nanoseconds you would not notice a delay. To put that into context, there are 1000 nanoseconds in a microsecond, a horizontal sync pulse is around 4-5 microseconds long and a horizontal line at 15khz is about 64 microseconds long.

I don't have a GBS control myself but a friend of mine does have both a fully modded GBS and GreenAntz. He describes the GBS as a great and useful tool for the Lab, but GreenAntz is the preferred way to connect with component TV for gaming etc. because is simpler and better quality transcoding.

This project looks awesome and already has me looking around my city for a nice crt tv lol. Just curious what this device might cost once all said and done?

Can't speak for JayBee but GreenAntz is available for forum members for US$45 for a limited time, at least until I get around to listing it elsewhere.
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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #48 on: March 09, 2021, 05:35:57 am »
This project looks awesome and already has me looking around my city for a nice crt tv lol. Just curious what this device might cost once all said and done?
This hasn't been decided yet, as it's still in early prototyping phase  :D

Ok how about this scenario.   I use gbs control to pump native rgbs into a crt with component in. I believe the max output is 480p.  There's no upscaling or anything like that involved, the only thing it does is convert to component so if it's a 240p signal   that's what the tv is going to get.   Would that work or is the conversion enough to throw off the timing?
The latency added by the GBS-C, while being minimal, would most definitely throw the timing off and make the gun unusable.
To explain shortly, the gun needs a timing precision or at least 0.1 microsecond to work well, which pretty much no scaler do.
But there is also another issue, if you double the resolution of the video signal while the gun is still sync with 15kHz, it just won't understand what's happening  :lol

If you want a higher res signal, the best is to simply have everything working at that res.
For instance in the last demo videos, I'm using the system on a pc crt at 1025x768@75Hz.

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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #49 on: March 09, 2021, 07:10:47 am »
This project looks awesome and already has me looking around my city for a nice crt tv lol. Just curious what this device might cost once all said and done?
This hasn't been decided yet, as it's still in early prototyping phase  :D


That’s fair and understandable, I was more just curious if it’s like $20? $100? More just like a general price range lol. If there’s still lots to determine though I get it lol

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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #50 on: March 10, 2021, 11:06:22 pm »
Thinking about it, there is one solution for people who want to use scalers like the GBS-C, they just have to connect the scaler first and my adapter to the scaler VGA out.
It should totally work since it will use the same res/timings as the screen.

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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #51 on: March 11, 2021, 12:09:05 am »
Thinking about it, there is one solution for people who want to use scalers like the GBS-C, they just have to connect the scaler first and my adapter to the scaler VGA out.
It should totally work since it will use the same res/timings as the screen.

So long as it doesn't rely on say 5v via pin 9 or continuity of specific ground pins or similar. Sometimes the issue with having extra 3rd party devices on the same line is that you can never be 100% sure what they do with the pins you assume to be standard.

No issue with USB return timings?
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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #52 on: March 11, 2021, 01:00:03 am »
Thinking about it, there is one solution for people who want to use scalers like the GBS-C, they just have to connect the scaler first and my adapter to the scaler VGA out.
It should totally work since it will use the same res/timings as the screen.

So long as it doesn't rely on say 5v via pin 9 or continuity of specific ground pins or similar. Sometimes the issue with having extra 3rd party devices on the same line is that you can never be 100% sure what they do with the pins you assume to be standard.

No issue with USB return timings?
Of course I'm not relying on the vga port 5v, the MiSTer or other similar devices don't have it anyway  :lol
What do you mean usb return timing? You mean the polling rate?

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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #53 on: March 11, 2021, 02:02:25 am »
What do you mean usb return timing? You mean the polling rate?

I guess so. I have only a rough idea about how lightguns work, don't have any but always interested. I've already added lightguns to end end of my list of things to do, but it is pretty long already so will see how she goes.
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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #54 on: March 11, 2021, 02:32:55 am »
This project looks awesome and already has me looking around my city for a nice crt tv lol. Just curious what this device might cost once all said and done?
This hasn't been decided yet, as it's still in early prototyping phase  :D

Ok how about this scenario.   I use gbs control to pump native rgbs into a crt with component in. I believe the max output is 480p.  There's no upscaling or anything like that involved, the only thing it does is convert to component so if it's a 240p signal   that's what the tv is going to get.   Would that work or is the conversion enough to throw off the timing?
The latency added by the GBS-C, while being minimal, would most definitely throw the timing off and make the gun unusable.
To explain shortly, the gun needs a timing precision or at least 0.1 microsecond to work well, which pretty much no scaler do.
But there is also another issue, if you double the resolution of the video signal while the gun is still sync with 15kHz, it just won't understand what's happening  :lol

If you want a higher res signal, the best is to simply have everything working at that res.
For instance in the last demo videos, I'm using the system on a pc crt at 1025x768@75Hz.

I don't think you are hearing me on this one.  I'm not using it as an upscaler.... it's outputting native res which the tv accepts happily as it's a 1999 crt SD tv, one of the first to have component input.   the only thing it's doing is modifying the color space and I think the chip does that at the hardware level, I'm not sure.   Timing is the only issue here, not resolution.   

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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #55 on: March 11, 2021, 02:43:24 am »
This project looks awesome and already has me looking around my city for a nice crt tv lol. Just curious what this device might cost once all said and done?
This hasn't been decided yet, as it's still in early prototyping phase  :D

Ok how about this scenario.   I use gbs control to pump native rgbs into a crt with component in. I believe the max output is 480p.  There's no upscaling or anything like that involved, the only thing it does is convert to component so if it's a 240p signal   that's what the tv is going to get.   Would that work or is the conversion enough to throw off the timing?
The latency added by the GBS-C, while being minimal, would most definitely throw the timing off and make the gun unusable.
To explain shortly, the gun needs a timing precision or at least 0.1 microsecond to work well, which pretty much no scaler do.
But there is also another issue, if you double the resolution of the video signal while the gun is still sync with 15kHz, it just won't understand what's happening  :lol

If you want a higher res signal, the best is to simply have everything working at that res.
For instance in the last demo videos, I'm using the system on a pc crt at 1025x768@75Hz.

I don't think you are hearing me on this one.  I'm not using it as an upscaler.... it's outputting native res which the tv accepts happily as it's a 1999 crt SD tv, one of the first to have component input.   the only thing it's doing is modifying the color space and I think the chip does that at the hardware level, I'm not sure.   Timing is the only issue here, not resolution.
I heard you, I'm just saying the GBS-C has a (digital?) frame buffer, and a buffer means latency, minimal or not, native resolution output or not, it doesn't matter.
So no, it won't work.

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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #56 on: March 11, 2021, 04:09:48 am »
I heard you, I'm just saying the GBS-C has a (digital?) frame buffer, and a buffer means latency, minimal or not, native resolution output or not, it doesn't matter.
So no, it won't work.

When we have a chance we definitely must see if GreenAntz is fast enough to work with GUN4CRT for component CRT SDTV.
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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #57 on: March 11, 2021, 04:21:44 am »
I heard you, I'm just saying the GBS-C has a (digital?) frame buffer, and a buffer means latency, minimal or not, native resolution output or not, it doesn't matter.
So no, it won't work.

When we have a chance we definitely must see if GreenAntz is fast enough to work with GUN4CRT for component CRT SDTV.
Indeed, we have to try it :D

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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #58 on: April 29, 2021, 10:36:04 pm »
JayBee, what constitutes as a compatible gcon gun?

I own a nyko cobra I assume to be ps1 compatible (got it used at a swap meet...)
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« Reply #59 on: April 29, 2021, 11:04:24 pm »
JayBee, what constitutes as a compatible gcon gun?

I own a nyko cobra I assume to be ps1 compatible (got it used at a swap meet...)
In my newer prototype, this adapter support every single PS1 compatible gun. So yeah it should work fine  :lol

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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #60 on: April 29, 2021, 11:44:34 pm »
Can we volunteer to test this prototype out?


I would be glad to finally retire my first gen ActLab lightgun...
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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #61 on: April 30, 2021, 12:14:17 am »
Can we volunteer to test this prototype out?


I would be glad to finally retire my first gen ActLab lightgun...
Haha thanks but I already have a lot of testers for this one  :lol
If I need more testers I will sure tell you  ;)

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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #62 on: April 30, 2021, 08:33:55 pm »
This is my current light gun...

3 things different between 1st Gen ActLab lightgun and subsequent ones are

-doesn't look very good
-doesn't have any disconnect between gun and box (mounting in arcade is a problem)
-is ugly

... Did I say it isn't good looking?
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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #63 on: May 02, 2021, 04:57:30 pm »
JB, how does calibration work on your system? Does it even need calibration?


I somewhat hope for a CRT based lightgun that wouldn't require constant calibration, and works for two players.

That new system of yours looks promising on this end.
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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #64 on: May 02, 2021, 05:09:45 pm »
JB, how does calibration work on your system? Does it even need calibration?


I somewhat hope for a CRT based lightgun that wouldn't require constant calibration, and works for two players.

That new system of yours looks promising on this end.
The calibration part is still a WIP, but basically it's semi automatic.
It will try to detect the resolution and everything to Calculate the calibration.
It works nicely for content that has standard resolutions and timing, but is a little bit more tricky for video modes with weird and unusual timing.
I might add a button on the adapter to trigger quick calibration adjustments that should stay on the same video mode.

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« Reply #65 on: May 02, 2021, 05:59:57 pm »


I might add a button on the adapter to trigger quick calibration adjustments that should stay on the same video mode.

Si je comprends bien....

We'd only need to calibrate once per resolution, and it would then remain saved within the device for future use?

Ça serait juste parfait ça!
Sérieusement, si on a pas besoin de calibrer une fois tout finalisé, c'est parfait. Les joueurs d'une borne d'arcade ne sont pas tous des adeptes de technologie...
Surtout si on veut rendre le tout disponible à la visite!



Something that could be helpful, maybe as advanced settings, could be manual tweaking of the calibrated position, to help with parallax support for those who'd need it, or for when calibration is less than perfect.
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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #66 on: May 02, 2021, 11:42:09 pm »


I might add a button on the adapter to trigger quick calibration adjustments that should stay on the same video mode.

Si je comprends bien....

We'd only need to calibrate once per resolution, and it would then remain saved within the device for future use?

Ça serait juste parfait ça!
Sérieusement, si on a pas besoin de calibrer une fois tout finalisé, c'est parfait. Les joueurs d'une borne d'arcade ne sont pas tous des adeptes de technologie...
Surtout si on veut rendre le tout disponible à la visite!



Something that could be helpful, maybe as advanced settings, could be manual tweaking of the calibrated position, to help with parallax support for those who'd need it, or for when calibration is less than perfect.
Oui tu as bien compris  :cheers:
And yes, I'm planning to make a tool where you can manually change profiles and load them into the adapter   8)

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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #67 on: May 11, 2021, 11:00:10 am »
Looks great! I guess this is the device a lot of people including me have been waiting for a long time.

I've ordered a GCon already but would also like a gun with recoil. Any recommendation?

Thanks

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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #68 on: May 11, 2021, 12:25:53 pm »
Looks great! I guess this is the device a lot of people including me have been waiting for a long time.

I've ordered a GCon already but would also like a gun with recoil. Any recommendation?

Thanks
I must say psx guns with recoil are harder and harder to come by.
But the adapter will also support arcade guns, so if you are willing to get a real arcade gun with recoil and crt sensor in it, it should work ;)

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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #69 on: May 12, 2021, 01:17:39 pm »
@JayBee I am planing changes to my stand-up cabinet in the upcoming months and would like to plan future gun upgrades...

What are the connections between box2crt and the gun?
I'm assuming a dualshock connector...

While there are extensions for these, anyone know of panel mount options?
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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #70 on: May 20, 2021, 07:46:29 am »
Quick question - is there a plan for this to support arcade crt lightguns as well? I have a Virtua Cop 2 arcade cab, and would like to play VC1 in it using Model 2 emulator, but with the VC2 lightguns.

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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #71 on: May 20, 2021, 07:57:04 am »
Quick question - is there a plan for this to support arcade crt lightguns as well? I have a Virtua Cop 2 arcade cab, and would like to play VC1 in it using Model 2 emulator, but with the VC2 lightguns.



... the adapter will also support arcade guns, so if you are willing to get a real arcade gun with recoil and crt sensor in it, it should work ;)

I think JayBee just answered that it should
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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #72 on: May 20, 2021, 07:59:10 am »
Quick question - is there a plan for this to support arcade crt lightguns as well? I have a Virtua Cop 2 arcade cab, and would like to play VC1 in it using Model 2 emulator, but with the VC2 lightguns.
Yes, it totally will  ;)

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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #73 on: May 20, 2021, 08:28:20 am »
Quick question - is there a plan for this to support arcade crt lightguns as well? I have a Virtua Cop 2 arcade cab, and would like to play VC1 in it using Model 2 emulator, but with the VC2 lightguns.
Yes, it totally will  ;)

Great thanks. Sorry, missed that response earlier. Will definitely get one then. Love your GUN4IR as well!

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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #74 on: May 20, 2021, 08:29:22 pm »
Quick question - is there a plan for this to support arcade crt lightguns as well? I have a Virtua Cop 2 arcade cab, and would like to play VC1 in it using Model 2 emulator, but with the VC2 lightguns.
Yes, it totally will  ;)

Great thanks. Sorry, missed that response earlier. Will definitely get one then. Love your GUN4IR as well!
I am tempted to find an arcade lightgun since he mentioned this fact....
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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #75 on: May 20, 2021, 09:02:07 pm »
Quick question - is there a plan for this to support arcade crt lightguns as well? I have a Virtua Cop 2 arcade cab, and would like to play VC1 in it using Model 2 emulator, but with the VC2 lightguns.
Yes, it totally will  ;)

Great thanks. Sorry, missed that response earlier. Will definitely get one then. Love your GUN4IR as well!
I am tempted to find an arcade lightgun since he mentioned this fact....

Yeah, me too. Honestly, I'm tempted to build an entire multi light gun cab.

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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #76 on: May 20, 2021, 10:46:38 pm »
Yeah, me too. Honestly, I'm tempted to build an entire multi light gun cab.

This makes a lot of sense  8)
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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #77 on: May 25, 2021, 03:32:28 pm »
Looks great! I guess this is the device a lot of people including me have been waiting for a long time.

I've ordered a GCon already but would also like a gun with recoil. Any recommendation?

Thanks
I must say psx guns with recoil are harder and harder to come by.
But the adapter will also support arcade guns, so if you are willing to get a real arcade gun with recoil and crt sensor in it, it should work ;)

Well, are those arcade guns really easier to find than PS1 recoil guns I wonder.

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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #78 on: May 26, 2021, 01:47:24 am »
Looks great! I guess this is the device a lot of people including me have been waiting for a long time.

I've ordered a GCon already but would also like a gun with recoil. Any recommendation?

Thanks
I must say psx guns with recoil are harder and harder to come by.
But the adapter will also support arcade guns, so if you are willing to get a real arcade gun with recoil and crt sensor in it, it should work ;)

Well, are those arcade guns really easier to find than PS1 recoil guns I wonder.
If you order them from the distributors out there, yes they are easier to find. Not necessarily cheaper tho, just more common.
Also the psx guns with recoil won't have any advanced feature for the recoil, as they can't be directly controlled by my adapter.
Arcade guns feedbacks will be fully supported.

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Re: GUN2CRT, the new universal CRT lightgun adapter
« Reply #79 on: May 26, 2021, 05:28:05 am »
Also the psx guns with recoil won't have any advanced feature for the recoil, as they can't be directly controlled by my adapter.
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Perhaps  we can separate the recoil system to make this work also

Do we need the component Signal to make your adapter works?
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