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My experience buying a new Time Crisis pedal from Betson
« on: January 13, 2021, 11:19:14 am »
Just wanted to let folks know that you can buy a brand new Time Crisis pedal from Betson Imperial for about $100. I chose standard UPS shipping. It took about a week to arrive and they charged me $30 to ship it from New Jersey to Wisconsin, but it's really heavy, about 10 pounds, so that seems reasonable. I should also mention that it took a few days before the purchase was approved and they sent the item. They also don't give you the shipping and handling amount upfront. I imagine that you might be able to call them and ask for estimated rates before purchasing.

https://www.betsonparts.com/amusement-redemption/namco-red-pedal-assembly-for-time-crisis-and-crisis-zone.html

No rust, no squeak, and not that much more money than what a lot of people are paying on ebay. I have an old playstation non-analog controller that I hacked the R1 button to use this pedal on my PS1 and PS2 consoles. I tried using it on my PS3 for Time Crisis 4 and unfortunately couldn't get it to work, although the controller functions through a USB converter.

If you do order one, be aware that you need a star bit screwdriver to open it up and the existing wiring is purple to Normally Open (NO), black is ground, and green is grounded to the metal body of the pedal.

I've been thinking about buying one of these for a long time, generally balking at the price, but I caved after seeing this YouTube video:

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Re: My experience buying a new Time Crisis pedal from Betson
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2021, 04:35:32 pm »
Just wanted to let folks know that you can buy a brand new Time Crisis pedal from Betson Imperial for about $100. I chose standard UPS shipping. It took about a week to arrive and they charged me $30 to ship it from New Jersey to Wisconsin, but it's really heavy, about 10 pounds, so that seems reasonable. I should also mention that it took a few days before the purchase was approved and they sent the item. They also don't give you the shipping and handling amount upfront. I imagine that you might be able to call them and ask for estimated rates before purchasing.

https://www.betsonparts.com/amusement-redemption/namco-red-pedal-assembly-for-time-crisis-and-crisis-zone.html

No rust, no squeak, and not that much more money than what a lot of people are paying on ebay. I have an old playstation non-analog controller that I hacked the R1 button to use this pedal on my PS1 and PS2 consoles. I tried using it on my PS3 for Time Crisis 4 and unfortunately couldn't get it to work, although the controller functions through a USB converter.

If you do order one, be aware that you need a star bit screwdriver to open it up and the existing wiring is purple to Normally Open (NO), black is ground, and green is grounded to the metal body of the pedal.

I've been thinking about buying one of these for a long time, generally balking at the price, but I caved after seeing this YouTube video:



Hi KenToad,

Iím just about to place an order for two of these to have ready when my Sindenís arrive and was happy when I saw you post about it on the YouTube review and then to find this thread :)

1. Is it an exact replica of the real pedal, in terms of measurements and weight, Iím guessing it is since you say 10 pounds.

2. Did the bottom have rubber feat attached so that it is stable on a wood floor without having to be pushed up against something?

3. Can you take a photo of the back so that I can see the connections, itís not on the website and I wanted to make sure it matches an original

4. Are you still satisfied with it?

Too bad they donít come in red and blue to match my gun colors.

Thanks l!

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Re: My experience buying a new Time Crisis pedal from Betson
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2021, 05:28:11 pm »
I think it is identical to the original, as it is a drop-in replacement part from an arcade distributor. The switch is a cherry switch. I wired up a Playstation controller to it so I can use it with my PS1 and PS2. I just left the original connector and wires tucked inside.

I'll attach a photo of the inside from my phone after I post this from my desktop. Remember that you need a T25 star bit to remove the bolts.

The underside has metal raised areas that I've attached felt floor protectors to because I use it on a carpet, but you could just as easily attach rubber feet.

I still love it and use it often. It's built like a tank. I'd feel comfortable having my kids jump up and down on it.


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Re: My experience buying a new Time Crisis pedal from Betson
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2021, 06:38:41 pm »
Thatís great news, placing my order momentarily:)

Can you also confirm the back has the same connections as the original?

Like in the attached image:


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Re: My experience buying a new Time Crisis pedal from Betson
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2021, 08:37:07 pm »
All of those connections are custom made by the YouTuber Boojakascha. In the video, he shows how he made it. At 8:01 in the video, you can see that the bare metal bottom and back don't have the custom connectors.

If you ask me, all those connections are crazy overkill, but I don't own 15 types of lightguns that work with Time Crisis. The original unit is just a microswitch, super easy to interface with a ps1 pad or nearly any cheap usb gamepad, if you don't want to wire it directly to a keyboard encoder. Naturally, you could wire it all three ways if you want.

*Edit* Also, I would suggest that, if you haven't ordered already, you probably only need one pedal. There aren't really any Time Crisis games that are all that great with two player simultaneous play, unless you have two PS2's and two monitors, or I guess one very large monitor and a PC that can run Time Crisis 2 and 3 with the split screen mode at full speed.
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Re: My experience buying a new Time Crisis pedal from Betson
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2021, 09:17:43 pm »
All of those connections are custom made by the YouTuber Boojakascha. In the video, he shows how he made it. At 8:01 in the video, you can see that the bare metal bottom and back don't have the custom connectors.

If you ask me, all those connections are crazy overkill, but I don't own 15 types of lightguns that work with Time Crisis. The original unit is just a microswitch, super easy to interface with a ps1 pad or nearly any cheap usb gamepad, if you don't want to wire it directly to a keyboard encoder. Naturally, you could wire it all three ways if you want.

*Edit* Also, I would suggest that, if you haven't ordered already, you probably only need one pedal. There aren't really any Time Crisis games that are all that great with two player simultaneous play, unless you have two PS2's and two monitors, or I guess one very large monitor and a PC that can run Time Crisis 2 and 3 with the split screen mode at full speed.

Ok thanks for pointing it out that it was custom, I did watch his video but I must have glazed over that part, thank you.

Ok damn I did put in an order for two but it didnít process yet and they actually only have stock for 1 and the other will be back ordered, I completely overlooked the whole dual screen thing.

That being said itís for a pedestal build and therefore Iím planning a large screen, between 55-65Ē would dual screen be enjoyable at that size?

Lastly, I just found out Time Crisis 5 and 2 spicy are dual pedals per player, damn them! So if you tell me that 55Ē-65Ē wonít be enjoyable for two players then at least Iíll have dual pedals for those games, if you tell me it will be enjoyable then damn as I really donít want to order 4! But I absolutely love gun games, I tried searching for dual pedals and didnít see them anywhere.

Is there any hack to play TC5 with one pedal in a way that doesnít ruin it? Iím guessing not, I know people were mapping buttons for left and right and I could see that making more sense than having one pedal, looking forward to hearing your thoughts on it.
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Re: My experience buying a new Time Crisis pedal from Betson
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2021, 09:42:31 pm »
I don't know if there is a way to play 2 player Time Crisis 5 yet. I got it running one player. Have you been able to test two player on your PC?

Time Crisis 2 and 3 would be your best bet to use the two pedals. If you can emulate at full speed with 2 players, it should be very playable with a 55 inch or bigger widescreen display. Time Crisis 4 on the PS3 plays fine with split screen on my 40 inch LCD, but it would certainly be even better with a bigger screen.

I would just test the games that you're thinking about playing using your current setup with 2 mice connected to simulate the lightguns and a shared keyboard interface. If everything runs well, then you're probably good to go. Otherwise, you should be able to cancel one of your pedals, especially since it's back ordered. I'd imagine that you could easily resell one of the pedals, if you decide later that you don't need it.

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Re: My experience buying a new Time Crisis pedal from Betson
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2021, 03:25:02 pm »
I spoke too soon, so one got shipped and the other was cancelled and they donít have plans to re-stock.

Who wants a yucky used and rusted eBay one next to this new red beauty.

Any suggestions on where to get another new one?

Thanks
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Re: My experience buying a new Time Crisis pedal from Betson
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2021, 04:13:02 pm »
No idea where to find another new one. Looks like you bought the last one. I'm glad that I got one when I did.

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Re: My experience buying a new Time Crisis pedal from Betson
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2021, 02:18:19 pm »
No idea where to find another new one. Looks like you bought the last one. I'm glad that I got one when I did.
And they confirmed that Namco wonít re-supply them with new ones, and the used ones I can find are so gross compared....

Given that I might just powder coat a used one so that it matches the Blue gun.

Is it difficult to restore the diamond plating to new like condition?

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Re: My experience buying a new Time Crisis pedal from Betson
« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2021, 01:57:05 pm »
No idea where to find another new one. Looks like you bought the last one. I'm glad that I got one when I did.
And they confirmed that Namco wonít re-supply them with new ones, and the used ones I can find are so gross compared....

Given that I might just powder coat a used one so that it matches the Blue gun.

Is it difficult to restore the diamond plating to new like condition?

I have no experience, but it doesn't look easy based upon the videos I have seen.

Also, it looks like you can buy a new Time Crisis 4 pedal from the same distributor, but it's $400. That's pretty insane, considering that it is the exact same hardware with a different coat of paint.
« Last Edit: April 28, 2021, 02:00:47 pm by KenToad »