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Re: javeryh's Woodgrain Cabaret Copy
« Reply #280 on: July 28, 2020, 02:41:47 pm »
That "You suck at Photoshop" guy over on utubes is how Jenn learned that...It seems really hard at first, but then you just cross a line one afternoon and it makes sense...And becomes really fun!

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Re: javeryh's Woodgrain Cabaret Copy
« Reply #281 on: July 29, 2020, 03:48:19 pm »
fatmatch should rename files easily, have used it to rename pics/videos, its supposed to be for matching rom to images etc but should work, best to make a copy of the images before trying to match them, might not be what you're after but worth keeping for future use

https://hyperspin-fe.com/files/file/7401-fat-match-media-renamer/

Thanks- this looks useful.  Thereís so much great software out there that people have made just for this hobby.  Iíll check it out.


That "You suck at Photoshop" guy over on utubes is how Jenn learned that...It seems really hard at first, but then you just cross a line one afternoon and it makes sense...And becomes really fun!

I am definitely going to watch this channel.  Any tips would be great because I donít k ow how to do anything.  I canít use layers.  I canít draw to scale.  Nothing!

This week has been busy with work but I did just take 20 minutes to make sure the CRT is working.  It looks great!



The scan lines arenít even that bad right out of the box.  I have to play with the settings and picture location once I get it in the cabinet but it works. 

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Re: javeryh's Woodgrain Cabaret Copy
« Reply #282 on: July 30, 2020, 12:31:38 pm »
So... I took off the back of the case to the monitor, which was pretty easy, and I can see how to remove the front bezel but all of the electronics seem to be attached to the bezel itself (see the pics).  Any ideas on how to get the bezel off and still support everything?





If I slide the metal casing out of the plastic I donít think there will be any support. 

Maybe I should post on the monitor forum too...

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Re: javeryh's Woodgrain Cabaret Copy
« Reply #283 on: July 30, 2020, 03:45:18 pm »
Javeryh can you create a support like the Star Wars arcade has where the monitor rests in the support and the support is screwed to the cab?

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Re: javeryh's Woodgrain Cabaret Copy
« Reply #284 on: July 30, 2020, 04:03:02 pm »
Javeryh can you create a support like the Star Wars arcade has where the monitor rests in the support and the support is screwed to the cab?

I don't know... I'd need to see a picture.

My original plan was to make a frame around the monitor attached to the 4 corner brackets.  This would then slide in and rest on top of 2 rails on the inside of the cabinet.  It seemed like it was going to be simple!

Like this:



But I can't seem to be able to remove the front bezel on my monitor without damaging things...
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Re: javeryh's Woodgrain Cabaret Copy
« Reply #285 on: July 31, 2020, 08:05:29 am »
Like this:

Yes.  Now I get it.  I misread your previous post.  Its not the mounting that will get you its the disassembly.  And the picture you posted was what I was talking about.  It seems the guys in Monitor/Video have a good idea on how to do it.  I would even recommend having someone help you de-case it.  ie one person holds while the other pulls.

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« Reply #286 on: July 31, 2020, 05:04:04 pm »
Alright.... F this.  Iím not brave enough to take a monitor apart so I am just going to mount it in the case using a box and some blocking to keep it in place.  Here is the start of that process:



Testing the location for the rails.  This was kind of a pain to make exactly parallel to the control panel.  I ended up making a jig out of cardboard for the offset.



Shelf and monitor case in place.  I have to cut the shelf and screw/glue everything together.

Hereís a view from the front. 




I think itís in a good spot but I canít really tell just yet.  Feels like Iím a little less precise than I want to be but this is probably one of those things no one will notice once it is finished.

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Re: javeryh's Woodgrain Cabaret Copy
« Reply #287 on: July 31, 2020, 06:57:19 pm »
Dude relax, drink a creme soda or something and think about this...That is going to get hot and shorten the life of the caps...It comes apart, Just mount the pieces on that wood shelf.

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Re: javeryh's Woodgrain Cabaret Copy
« Reply #288 on: July 31, 2020, 07:53:11 pm »
Dude relax, drink a creme soda or something and think about this...That is going to get hot and shorten the life of the caps...It comes apart, Just mount the pieces on that wood shelf.

I've been staring at it for 2 full days.  I cannot take it apart myself.  I took the case off at least 10 times trying to figure it out.  Not only will I have to unplug a bunch of stuff from the circuit board, I will have to take off the suction cup and also pull off the square thing from the back of the neck.  I'm not comfortable doing either.  Also, none of the wires are long enough to mount the circuit board away from the exact location it is in relative to the tube right now.  Maybe if I had some help I could figure it out but it doesn't look like I'm going to have any interaction with friends until 2021.

I'm not happy about it but it is what it is.  I probably should have tried getting an arcade monitor with the mounting brackets already holding things together.

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Re: javeryh's Woodgrain Cabaret Copy
« Reply #289 on: July 31, 2020, 08:07:08 pm »
I get what you are saying...What you are looking at is relatively simple however, (our little secret)...basicly it is a arcade monitor with a receiver, Unplug it,, Take some pics, Pop the spark (read up on that), and take it apart...It is scary I know, but it really is not a big deal, You will be glad you did.

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Re: javeryh's Woodgrain Cabaret Copy
« Reply #290 on: July 31, 2020, 08:13:36 pm »
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Re: javeryh's Woodgrain Cabaret Copy
« Reply #291 on: July 31, 2020, 11:44:34 pm »
Iím with you Javery. Iíve decased a few monitors and Iíve taken a few apart with the intentions of deceasing only to encounter the same situation you did.

When I use a crt, I usually just create a bezel from construction paper and leave the monitor in its case. Sometimes itís just not worth the effort. Only you can decide if itís worth the work.

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Re: javeryh's Woodgrain Cabaret Copy
« Reply #292 on: August 01, 2020, 12:07:56 am »
I'm with jennifer - you just have to take a deep breath and do it.

I've been to where you are, then taken the plunge and jumped in.

Just think of it as an arcade monitor, or think of your cab as a new case.

Take lots of photos, especially before you go unplugging things. That way you'll know how to put it back!

CRT will be more secure if you can move that wooden bracket behind the corner pegs, so that CRT sits on top instead of hanging down.
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« Reply #293 on: August 01, 2020, 03:49:48 am »
Well anyway, That cab turned out nice...*Fun story before I go, I must have been about 5 when Jenn went into her first TV, armed with a butter knife, and a can of sour krout ,I went looking for Lucy inside the TV (old Imperial if memory serves) Well got into the back, and was so disapointed Lucy wasn't in there , but fascinated with all the wires and stuff so started poking around with my butter knife...Well, that didn't end well, and I got grounded by dad but still today...Jenn wouldn't have had it any other way. ;)
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« Reply #294 on: August 01, 2020, 12:16:23 pm »
So... I have been thinking about it more.  I don't mind the work - if it takes 10 hours to get this thing mounted, I don't really care.  In quarantine I have more time than I know what to do with.  I am just afraid of electrocuting myself and to a lesser degree breaking the monitor (it's replaceable) or not being able to assemble it properly once I get it apart (getting the suction cup thing back in place, attaching the small PCB back on to the neck of the tube, etc.).

I bought some alligator clips while I was at Home Depot getting some screws just in case I want to try.  I have a big screwdriver I never use with a plastic handle that I can sacrifice for the discharge tool... I don't know!  I've wanted to learn this stuff for a while but I am also an idiot...

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« Reply #295 on: August 01, 2020, 01:12:20 pm »
Does this look right?







Alligator clip to chassis, rubber soles, rubber gloves, other hand in pocket and go?  Sound right?

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Re: javeryh's Woodgrain Cabaret Copy
« Reply #296 on: August 01, 2020, 01:18:28 pm »
Does this look right?
Alligator clip to chassis, rubber soles, rubber gloves, other hand in pocket and go?  Sound right?

Yup.  You can attach the alligator clip to the metal frame, or even better is the aquadag spring (metal spring surrounding the tube).

Most of the time I hear a small snap, although not always.  Particularly if it was plugged into the wall recently. Once you do it a couple of times itís no big deal.  Just come back to it a bit later like Mike said and do it again for good measure as the tube can retain a charge.

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« Reply #297 on: August 01, 2020, 01:30:34 pm »
Does this look right?
Alligator clip to chassis, rubber soles, rubber gloves, other hand in pocket and go?  Sound right?

Yup.  You can attach the alligator clip to the metal frame, or even better is the aquadag spring (metal spring surrounding the tube).

Most of the time I hear a small snap, although not always.  Particularly if it was plugged into the wall recently. Once you do it a couple of times itís no big deal.  Just come back to it a bit later like Mike said and do it again for good measure as the tube can retain a charge.
OK thanks... Iím not sure why Iím so irrationally nervous about this.  It has been unplugged from the wall for at least 3 full days but I know it can still retain a charge. 

I still donít know how Iím going to separate the board from the tube - so many wires - but at least if it is discharged I will feel better about messing around.  I also think I might be able to take the front bezel off and support the chassis with some blocks while I trace the outline of the tube and then mount it all without disassembling anything....

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« Reply #298 on: August 01, 2020, 01:43:30 pm »
You are overthinking this...That little cup pops out when you push against it with your screwdriver, and just push it back onto the hole when your done (It is like a little 2 sided spring clippy thing)...The only real difference you have over an arcade monitor is the receiver, which is just looking for a signal, however since that also drives your tube your kinda stuck with all the extras, but not a big deal, Take pics,and notes...Getting electrocuted, Well I won't lie, It is quite possible working with old equipment (especially slots OMG, Jenn hates those things) but what you have there isn't a faulty Hazzard so you should be fine...getting shocked, is like being magnetized to a piece of metal, your arm goes kinda numb for awhile, and your mouth tastes like aluminum, Your first instinct is to pull away, well if you got a giant screwdriver in your hand the possibility of stabbing yourself in the face is quite real in such an event, but normally that would be more a thing for longer more sustained exposure...what you got there is probibally only at 10 amps, and fused,...You will be fine...In fact it probibally won't even spark at all, they normally started using a resistor to bleed off the voltage in those years, so all your going to get is the little metallic sound of screwdriver against the clip and metal on glass...and possibly a little spark, wait a few minutes and try it again and your golden (sometimes them pesky things will build up a residual charge after being discarged)...but again most likely not going to happen with that...And your not an idiot, Building a cab takes many different skills, and aparently you already have most of them.... ;D...Good luck...P/s...I personally would strip a little more wire and twist it a little tighter around that screwdriver

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Re: javeryh's Woodgrain Cabaret Copy
« Reply #299 on: August 01, 2020, 01:52:12 pm »
You'll be shocked how easy it is! :D


This is one of those things that doesn't really bother me. I've been able to hide the arcade monitor bezel and keep the monitor in tact. It just depends how you do it, and what your comfort level is. My current arcades are a mix of decased and still in their factory cases monitors.

This is my defender with a LCD, clear plexi and the default factory case:


In this case, I used construction paper that I spray painted black and cut into strips. I attached those strips to the monitor case before mounting to the TV. It looks very close to factory.


This is a LCD behind dark plexi. If you plan on using smoked plexi, you really are wasting a lot of time right now for something no one will see.


Galaga cabinet using an arcade monitor and factory bezel behind clear glass. This is perfect authenticity and if the question is if it presents better than the LCD behind clear plexi with construction paper bezel, I'd say the answer is no. No one, including myself, notices.


This is a star wars, using a CRT behind smoked glass. You can't see anything behind the glass until the game is turned on. I used a construction paper bezel, but you are unable to see it. Next time I have access to the controls, I'm going to reduce the brightness of the monitor to reduce the light bleed, but it's nowhere near as obvious when you are playing the game.


To me, if you are going to use clear glass or plexi, you can maybe justify all the work to decase the monitor, but if it's behind smoked plexi or tinted glass, you are doing a lot of work for nothing. I know you definitely aren't afraid of doing a lot of work, but wanted to give you some reasoning for why I think decasing is usually more work than it's worth.

Good luck.

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« Reply #300 on: August 01, 2020, 01:58:35 pm »
Well that was a bust... it exploded and Iím bleeding out...

Literally nothing happened.  I jammed the screwdriver under the cup from every angle and was definitely touching something in the middle and I didnít hear any snap or pop or anything at all...  I almost wish something had happened so I would know that it worked!

I assume itís discharged... Iíll do it again in 20 minutes to be sure.  First Iím going to try making the frame without taking it apart but if that fails Iíll suck it up and start disassembling it.

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« Reply #301 on: August 01, 2020, 02:01:05 pm »
Sounds about right.  As long as you had it grounded and touched the metal clip inside the suction cup and then move you screw driver around in the glass hole you are good

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« Reply #302 on: August 01, 2020, 02:03:08 pm »
You'll be shocked how easy it is! :D

Yeah.  I feel silly now. 


To me, if you are going to use clear glass or plexi, you can maybe justify all the work to decase the monitor, but if it's behind smoked plexi or tinted glass, you are doing a lot of work for nothing. I know you definitely aren't afraid of doing a lot of work, but wanted to give you some reasoning for why I think decasing is usually more work than it's worth.

Good luck.

Thanks lew.  The pics really help.  The plan all along was smoked tempered glass over the screen so you are probably right that no one will notice.  Part of me just wants to tackle this just because.  Jen did mention overheating was a concern because I'll have a box inside a box.  I did cut some holes in the back panel for venting air but I am not planning on installing any fans to push air around...

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Re: javeryh's Woodgrain Cabaret Copy
« Reply #303 on: August 01, 2020, 02:03:24 pm »
Well that was a bust... it exploded and Iím bleeding out...

Literally nothing happened.  I jammed the screwdriver under the cup from every angle and was definitely touching something in the middle and I didnít hear any snap or pop or anything at all...  I almost wish something had happened so I would know that it worked!

I assume itís discharged... Iíll do it again in 20 minutes to be sure.  First Iím going to try making the frame without taking it apart but if that fails Iíll suck it up and start disassembling it.

LoL - that happened with the first one I did. I really wanted the snap, or perhaps even a loud pop. Over the years I've heard so many stories about discharging the monitor that I was sure I'd have a story of my own. In the end, I wasn't sure if it was discharged, or I did something wrong.

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« Reply #304 on: August 01, 2020, 02:03:54 pm »
No...Take it apart, you dont want any undo stress on that neck, or it will break, gently wiggle the socket off, It only goes back on one way since it is keyed...Good job, man, the hard scary part is over!

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« Reply #305 on: August 01, 2020, 02:05:20 pm »
You'll be shocked how easy it is! :D

Yeah.  I feel silly now. 


To me, if you are going to use clear glass or plexi, you can maybe justify all the work to decase the monitor, but if it's behind smoked plexi or tinted glass, you are doing a lot of work for nothing. I know you definitely aren't afraid of doing a lot of work, but wanted to give you some reasoning for why I think decasing is usually more work than it's worth.

Good luck.

Thanks lew.  The pics really help.  The plan all along was smoked tempered glass over the screen so you are probably right that no one will notice.  Part of me just wants to tackle this just because.  Jen did mention overheating was a concern because I'll have a box inside a box.  I did cut some holes in the back panel for venting air but I am not planning on installing any fans to push air around...

Right on.

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« Reply #306 on: August 01, 2020, 02:09:03 pm »
Try not to scratch up the area around the hole too much with your screwdriver, can make anode sparking a bit easier...
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« Reply #307 on: August 01, 2020, 02:12:31 pm »
You dont need a fan, those vent holes should let the heat out...Its not overheating perse it was more about sustained trapped heat shortening the life of the tube going into the future.

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« Reply #308 on: August 01, 2020, 02:17:02 pm »
No...Take it apart, you dont want any undo stress on that neck, or it will break, gently wiggle the socket off, It only goes back on one way since it is keyed...Good job, man, the hard scary part is over!

OK.  I've got some tape out so I can start labeling things... What do I do about wires that cannot be separated?  The PCB on the neck has a ton of wires coming out of it that goes to the circuit board and they are glued on (no connectors).  So the neck PCB will never fully separate from the other circuit board.

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« Reply #309 on: August 01, 2020, 02:18:29 pm »
So the neck PCB will never fully separate from the other circuit board.

Shouldn't be a problem
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« Reply #310 on: August 01, 2020, 02:20:13 pm »
... unless there is some compelling reason to remove the neck board from main chassis.

You just need to gently wiggle the neckboard off the CRT and keep it with the main chassis
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« Reply #311 on: August 01, 2020, 02:21:37 pm »
There is probably a ground wire from CRT grounding strap to the neck board. Hopefully you can disconnect that one easily
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« Reply #312 on: August 01, 2020, 02:25:34 pm »
There is probably a ground wire from CRT grounding strap to the neck board. Hopefully you can disconnect that one easily

Doing that now... only screw I've encountered so far.  The neck board was not easy to remove - I wiggled it back and forth gently to pop it off.  I hope it goes back on easier!

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« Reply #313 on: August 01, 2020, 02:54:29 pm »
Well itís apart...



I actually had the toughest time removing the controls connector.  I hope I didnít damage it. Now Iíll see if I can mount the tube in an MDF panel and put it all back together.  Yikes.

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« Reply #314 on: August 01, 2020, 02:55:17 pm »
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« Reply #315 on: August 01, 2020, 03:05:12 pm »
WooT!  :woot
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Re: javeryh's Woodgrain Cabaret Copy
« Reply #316 on: August 01, 2020, 03:09:21 pm »
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So... how the heck do I cut the opening in the MDF dead center???

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Re: javeryh's Woodgrain Cabaret Copy
« Reply #317 on: August 01, 2020, 03:12:13 pm »

This is what I mean about mounting crt on top of that wooden bracket
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Re: javeryh's Woodgrain Cabaret Copy
« Reply #318 on: August 01, 2020, 03:29:24 pm »

This is what I mean about mounting crt on top of that wooden bracket

That's what I'm trying to do... how do you cut the hole accurately?

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Re: javeryh's Woodgrain Cabaret Copy
« Reply #319 on: August 01, 2020, 03:30:34 pm »
Cardboard template gets the shape right. Cut tabs all the way around it and cut them off to fit, then refine it with masking tape...that neck board will push on easier then it came off, just make sure the pins are lined up with the holes.