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javeryh:

--- Quote from: Raktageno on April 28, 2021, 01:36:39 pm ---Hopping in here after finding this build from Reddit. This is my opinion of the gold standard for a cabaret. I appreciate your cataloguing of this build as I plan to replicate it completely, of course I intend to give you full credit (more info in my Reddit DM). Plus, I already have a multimeter, so it sounds like I have a leg up!

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I don't see a DM but I'd love to see another one of these built. Credit is nice but this was built off the back of others that came before me like markc74's CUBE cabaret and the Tully before that. In fact there are two excellent projects on the front page right now - lomoverde's Tully and thomas_surles's Ghosts N Goblins Tully. Definitely check those out for ideas.

Please post pics of your build here to share with everyone - good luck!

Raktageno:

--- Quote from: javeryh on April 28, 2021, 07:01:44 pm ---
--- Quote from: Raktageno on April 28, 2021, 01:36:39 pm ---Hopping in here after finding this build from Reddit. This is my opinion of the gold standard for a cabaret. I appreciate your cataloguing of this build as I plan to replicate it completely, of course I intend to give you full credit (more info in my Reddit DM). Plus, I already have a multimeter, so it sounds like I have a leg up!

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I don't see a DM but I'd love to see another one of these built. Credit is nice but this was built off the back of others that came before me like markc74's CUBE cabaret and the Tully before that. In fact there are two excellent projects on the front page right now - lomoverde's Tully and thomas_surles's Ghosts N Goblins Tully. Definitely check those out for ideas.

Please post pics of your build here to share with everyone - good luck!

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Thanks for the encouragement! I've started a new project thread for my build, though it may be a bit early. I had some questions that I think make a little more sense to include here rather than there:

* I see you went with the ServoStik. Was there a reason for this over the J-Stik Ball-Top? Between those two, they both appear to be able to switch between 4 and 8-way, but the latter is a bit less.
* Did you source your volcano buttons, or have them on hand? Additionally, are they lit and/or do they have lighting based on conditions? My apologies if you've already covered this.
* I haven't looked too much, but most single coin doors I can find have a yellow return button. Do you know if it's worth finding one with red already or getting the yellow and switching it out? I like the idea of a fully functional coin mech, but don't know if absolutely NEED people to bring their own quarters.
* I only have experience with the minipac. Did I read correctly that you used the I-pac 2? Any issues there?

javeryh:

--- Quote from: Raktageno on May 03, 2021, 11:47:47 am ---I see you went with the ServoStik. Was there a reason for this over the J-Stik Ball-Top? Between those two, they both appear to be able to switch between 4 and 8-way, but the latter is a bit less.
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The J-Stik is just a standard joystick you can put in 4 or 8 way mode with a standard restrictor plate. It doesn't automatically switch for you so you are locked into one set up or the other unless you open up the panel and turn it underneath. The ServoStik comes with a motor and a special restrictor plate so that it auto switches based on software (whatever game is selected will cause the joystick to rotate the restrictor plate inder the panel to the correct orientartion). It is expensive but totally worth it (and note it doesn't come with the servo PCB, which is $29 more on top of the cost of the stick. No regrets - I love it.

--- Quote from: Raktageno on May 03, 2021, 11:47:47 am ---Did you source your volcano buttons, or have them on hand? Additionally, are they lit and/or do they have lighting based on conditions? My apologies if you've already covered this.
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I bought them from arcadeshop online. Very expensive for 2 buttons (I recall they were about $15 each plus shipping). They are lit and the wiring on that was tricky for me as a first time user of resistors... well, not really - once Scott (PL1) told me what to do, the actual wiring was simple. Just need one 220ohm resistor for each button and I pulled power from the iPac2. Otherwise they wire up like a normal pushbutton.

--- Quote from: Raktageno on May 03, 2021, 11:47:47 am ---I haven't looked too much, but most single coin doors I can find have a yellow return button. Do you know if it's worth finding one with red already or getting the yellow and switching it out? I like the idea of a fully functional coin mech, but don't know if absolutely NEED people to bring their own quarters.
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I think red is fairly common if you look around. I am planning to eventually switch mine out from yellow in order to match the red on the control panel from the volcano buttons. Also, I do not need quarters to play - the coin mechs work but I also glued some extra microswitches behind the coin return buttons so when you press them you get a credit without putting a quarter in. I did this to eliminate clutter on the control panel (I could have had a coin button there) and to mimic having to insert a coin before playing by bending down. Adds more authenticity, IMO.

--- Quote from: Raktageno on May 03, 2021, 11:47:47 am ---I only have experience with the minipac. Did I read correctly that you used the I-pac 2? Any issues there?
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No issues with the iPac2. In fact, the 4 playable cabinets in my basement all use them. Great product.

Raktageno:
Posting here instead of on my build primarily because I have questions, but I'll give a quick update.

Parts are starting to show up. I got some woodgrain adhesive that I consider acceptable, but t-molding will help further determine once it shows up later this week. I'm dragging my feet on picking up MDF since I'll need to borrow a vehicle that can transport 4x8 sheets unless I want to try and get it cut there (which is always a crapshoot). I just ordered buttons and am looking toward ordering other items, which is where my questions come in.

* I think I'm going to go with the J-Stik Ball-Top. I don't think I can justify the cost on the ServoStik. Problem is, I see neither of those have an option for a white ball, and Ultimarc doesn't appear to sell one individually. Any idea on where I'd get ahold of one?
* I'm concerned about screen visibility against the angle of the top shroud. Was there a method you used to yours? I'm intending to use an LCD mounted vertically, so I have concerns that the top of the screen will get tucked away.
* Additionally, to the question above, did you use clear or smoked plexi over the screen and marquee? (apologies if you covered this)
* As of now, I plan to use your control panel design to the letter. I think the trackball in place of the spinner will still work with your design. How can I go about getting this printed, and would you prefer I give you credit in some way?
* Have you found any titles specifically that this cabinet works really well for or against?

javeryh:

--- Quote from: Raktageno on May 11, 2021, 11:35:57 am ---I think I'm going to go with the J-Stik Ball-Top. I don't think I can justify the cost on the ServoStik. Problem is, I see neither of those have an option for a white ball, and Ultimarc doesn't appear to sell one individually. Any idea on where I'd get ahold of one?
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Try Focus Attack. They have tons of colors and that's where I got mine.

--- Quote from: Raktageno on May 11, 2021, 11:35:57 am ---I'm concerned about screen visibility against the angle of the top shroud. Was there a method you used to yours? I'm intending to use an LCD mounted vertically, so I have concerns that the top of the screen will get tucked away.
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I am 6' tall and can see all the way to the back corner of the monitor panel standing at it normally. The top panel of the cabinet does not get in the way at all so I could have pushed the monitor as far back as I wanted and still had visibility (which is not far from how it ended up anyway). The CRT also helps in that there aren't viewing angle issues that LCDs can have but I think you will be OK wherever you end up putting the monitor.

--- Quote from: Raktageno on May 11, 2021, 11:35:57 am ---Additionally, to the question above, did you use clear or smoked plexi over the screen and marquee? (apologies if you covered this)
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I used 1/4" tempered gray glass (not plexiglas) with polished edges. If I recall correctly, it was tinted 10%.

--- Quote from: Raktageno on May 11, 2021, 11:35:57 am ---As of now, I plan to use your control panel design to the letter. I think the trackball in place of the spinner will still work with your design. How can I go about getting this printed, and would you prefer I give you credit in some way?
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I printed mine at GameOnGrafix. I would send you the files if I could but my 8 year old deleted them all somehow while she was supposed to be playing Minecraft on the main computer in my house (plus a LOT more stuff that I wish I had backed up). So whatever is posted in this thread is all that's left. Honestly, if you spend a couple of hours in Inkscape you will be able to do pretty much whatever you want - I never used a program like that before in my life until this project and I just watched some YouTube videos and started messing around until I got it to where I wanted. It's mostly just standard shapes and the "Data70" font. You can use whatever you want of the design - I don't really care about credit. I also strongly considered basing the art off of Minwah's Vertical Cabaret, which I am leaning towards for the cabinets I'm currently working on.

--- Quote from: Raktageno on May 11, 2021, 11:35:57 am ---Have you found any titles specifically that this cabinet works really well for or against?
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Not yet. So far of the 150 or so games I've got on there they all seem to play just fine. I did have to tweak the sensitivity on the spinner in MAME on a game by game basis but it was simple. There is a post in the Main forum by KenToad that lists out the settings - I just followed that.

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