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Cruis'n USA cab questions about FFB
« on: October 15, 2019, 09:09:28 pm »
Hi all,

Long time reader, first time poster.

I have read hours and hours and hours on this subject.  I've read all the posts on this board, a french board, etc., but don't really have a substantial answer.

I have a functionally working Cruis'n USA sit down cab that was upgraded to Cruis'n Exotica.  All hardware is original and in working order, but monitor will need to be re-capped and maybe some other work.

What I would like to do is keep the PCB boards and everything from the upgrade in the cabinet to keep it "as-is original" condition, but I'd also like to pop a computer in there and use MAME/Model2/Model3/etc and give it some great racing games.

Issue isn't setting up the MAME and other emulators, the issue is setting them up with Force Feedback.

I have read about:
1. Immersion FFB PCB - Can't find one at all anywhere.
2. Hacking a Logitech MOME/G27/G29/etc and using that PCB with a servo amp to the motor
3. Arduino being able to hook everything up like Immersion card.  No really good info on how this is done other than a light post about the Leonardo firmware.

I want to keep the original Happ wheel/motor to leave the machine in it's original state like I stated earlier, so my options seem to be quite limited.

I have the Midway/Nintendo driver board in the machine and can't find anything to interact with that either.  I see that others have been working with the Sega model of FFB.  Figures.  :)

I am reaching out to this group in the hopes that in the last 8 years of posts and ideas that something is actually working for someone that is pretty clean.  Cost is always a consideration and I know that a Global VR PCB can be purchased, but I won't spend $500 for a card to do this.  Nothing found on eBay for it either.

Thoughts?  Ideas?

Thanks

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Re: Cruis'n USA cab questions about FFB
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2019, 10:19:16 pm »
First off, talk to SailorSat, who would be the foremost expert on these forums in regards to the sega interface which might be adaptable to the midway boards.  Hacking a consumer grade wheel would be the easiest solution barring that.  The important thing is that the pot values and rotational values match and/or are equally divisible with each other.  You'll be forging new ground either way.... we can offer advice if you get stuck and that's about it.   

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Re: Cruis'n USA cab questions about FFB
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2019, 10:41:40 pm »
Thanks.  I have seen some posts related to that.

If I can't sync up with original equipment, then I'm going to just leave it as is.  I don't want to remove the Happ wheel, it'll lose its personality without that.

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Re: Cruis'n USA cab questions about FFB
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2019, 01:00:04 am »
I think you misunderstand what I meant.  I mean you take the pcb of a consumer grade wheel and adapt it to control your happ wheel, not the other way around. 

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Re: Cruis'n USA cab questions about FFB
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2019, 10:25:12 am »
Got it, I thought you were saying replace the wheel.

Option #2 in my post is to use a Logitech PCB.  Just no really good instructions on how to do so.

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Re: Cruis'n USA cab questions about FFB
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2019, 07:13:27 pm »
I've got Mark Shaker's original older potentiometer based logitech/ servo amp blog saved somewhere because I knew it would disappear someday.  I will post it when I get a chance.  I also have an old logitech pcb that I'd part with for shipping cost.  Not sure about the servo amp.  I plan to redo mine with the immersion board if I ever rebuild it.

Hasn't someone come up with an arduino solution by now?

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Re: Cruis'n USA cab questions about FFB
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2019, 08:03:47 pm »
There are a few floating around, but they are geared towards making a wheel from scratch.... I'm not sure what it would take to adapt it to an existing arcade wheel.  I'll dig around in my PMs.... pretty sure I have one from a French site and another Brazilian solution. 

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Re: Cruis'n USA cab questions about FFB
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2019, 07:50:07 am »
The original Logitech/servo amp hack tutorial is attached.
I have one of these boards somewhere.  I will dig it out this weekend and send it to you for the cost of shipping if interested.
(I still think there is a newer/better option out there though.)

Someone posted a prototype arduino solution in this thread and then disappeared.  :-\
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,155597.msg1632834.html#msg1632834

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Re: Cruis'n USA cab questions about FFB
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2019, 08:37:54 pm »
Yeah, I'll give it a shot.  I've looked for the Arduino on all over the place as well.

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Re: Cruis'n USA cab questions about FFB
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2019, 01:32:37 am »
Here's one of the ones I was thinking about:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVSlyB0wSd7ZLJ9lgpzCmNg

I got the country way wrong.  :)  Anyway it uses a Leonardo, which is cheap and the wheel is constructed from scratch, so it should be fairly easy to adapt. 

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Re: Cruis'n USA cab questions about FFB
« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2019, 08:35:39 am »
Here's one of the ones I was thinking about:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVSlyB0wSd7ZLJ9lgpzCmNg

I got the country way wrong.  :)  Anyway it uses a Leonardo, which is cheap and the wheel is constructed from scratch, so it should be fairly easy to adapt.

Amazing that I have never seen that software pop up in this forum.  ???

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Re: Cruis'n USA cab questions about FFB
« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2019, 03:31:43 pm »
I found the PCB.  It doesn't have a regular power cord socket like the one in the tutorial.
It's from a Blue wheeled PC/PS2 logitech from the same era though.  (has both USB and PS2 connectors)
After I find time to figure out which connector is power, I'll see if I have the proper connector and power supply then shoot you a PM.
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Re: Cruis'n USA cab questions about FFB
« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2019, 08:47:34 pm »
Sounds good.  Thanks.