Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)

[pyrojoe]

Hey guys,

Thinking of buying this for a new cab setup.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127613

Any thoughts/concerns?

Also, any real difference between getting a "9.1" card vs. a "6.5" card? Is it just the number of modes that I can create?

Thanks for the feedback!
-Joe

[Calamity]

Hi pyrojoe,

I'm assuming you've read this: http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=113885.msg1223378#msg1223378

Well, the purpose of getting a "9.3" card is this driver version supports more modern cards with more powerful GPUs, that's all.

So that depends if you're intending to run stuff like SF IV or any 3D demanding emulator. Anyway, if that's the case, then my advice is to go at least for the HD 4650, because the HD 4350 has very basic specs on this regard (it can't hardly get 60 fps for SF IV with vsync on).

If you're only using MAME and 2D console emulators then you'd probably better stick to R 9250 or X300 and use the 6.5 drivers.

[c0dehunter]

Hello all,
I have a MSI R4350-MD1GD3H/LP, and I wanted to know if it is a real 4350 or not:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127613

Here is a snapshot of its specifics, displayed by GPU-Z:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/48901682@N02/7271888086/#in/photostream/lightbox/

This is the 1GB DDR3 version, and I can attest that it works, since I am playing KOF 98 on my 1084S-D1 monitor and it looks gorgeous! Your 9.3 drivers installed on WinXP Pro x86 and I also installed Soft 15KHz on top of it (to get additional modelines, such as 384x240)

Nevertheless, to be on t he safe side, judging by the snapshot of my GPU, do you think it is a real 4350 or not?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/48901682@N02/7271888086/#in/photostream/lightbox/

[iori01]

From what I know, RV710 is real 4350 

[c0dehunter]

Thanks!

[Sparki82]

Hi all,

Complete noob here, I've been reading this thread and believe that the ATI HD 4890 is still the highest GPU card that will work with groovymame. Is this correct? I found this card online and was wondering if this would work?

http://www.digitan.com.au/product.php?productid=63569&cat=1902&page=10

And where do I find the latest Emu_drivers for this card? Any suggestions or advice would be appreciated

Thanks

[krick]

I've been reading this thread and believe that the ATI HD 4890 is still the highest GPU card that will work with groovymame. Is this correct?

If you're using CRT_EmuDriver, the fastest ATI card supported is still the 4890 as far as I know.  I think that there are faster cards (possibly from Nvidia as well as ATI) that will work with GroovyMAME if you're using Soft15KHz instead of CRT_EmuDriver, but I'm not really that familiar with the latest and greatest in the Soft15KHz world.

Here's some relevant Soft15KHz threads you should probably read:

Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=66402.0

What's the difference between Sailorsat's soft15kHz and CRT_Emudriver
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=119768.0

And where do I find the latest Emu_drivers for this card? Any suggestions or advice would be appreciated

You can find a CRT_EmuDriver download mirror link in my signature, and there's download locations in the first post of one of the GroovyMAME sticky threads in this forum.


Note that recent testing indicates that you must use D3D mode in GroovyMAME to use the VMMaker "magic resolutions" feature with a 4xxx series ATI card and CRT_EmuDriver, though this doesn't appear to really be a drawback in practical use except in rare edge cases.

[Sparki82]

Thanks Krick, appreciate the help.

[Pixelhugger]

I'm building a new computer after my existing repurposed workstation turned out incompatible with AVGA.

I understand that the 4890 is the fastest card currently compatible with CRT Emu driver, but that most testing has been done with a 4350.

Is there any difference in compatibility between the 4890 and 4350. Does the patch raise any possible conflicts?

I'd like to get the faster card to support some of my son's favorite Lego games with higher recommended specs but after the incompatibility problems with AVGA, it has me nervous.

[Calamity]

While I haven't tested the HD 4890 myself, some folks here did and it worked fine for them. From the custom video mode support point of view, all HD 4xxx cards seem to be the same thing. For a cab, I wouldn't use the higher end ones unless you actually need to run non-MAME 3D games, because of the fan and their size.

[Garion]

What, specifically was different about the Radeon HD 4890 that required a driver modification?

Probably the HD 4890 model was not available yet when Catalyst 9.3 was released. However, I just needed to add its hardware PCI ID to the driver's installation files to get it supported.

So the driver's binaries are exactly the same (it won't affect previous models at all).

Is it possible do this with HD4770? Not able to install with 9.3 XP32 due to id.

Edit: Looking inet its PCI ID 1002:94b3

Thanks,

Francisco

P.S.: gracias por tu trabajo y soporte a groovymame.

[Calamity]

Yes, it is possible. It's not difficult actually, just editing some files.

[Garion]

Yes, it is possible. It's not difficult actually, just editing some files.

Thanks Calamity.

I tried do that myself editing an inf and an ini, first download official driver, copy the 4770 lines and paste in your driver but..... it didnt work 

Second I try, as a had a X700SE working with GM and your 9.3, was install the 4770 as a 4890 vía control panel. It works perfect. Then I create modelines with vmmaker and reboot. No way.... I get some kind of 15khz because CRT screen detect signal but no picture at all.

[Calamity]

Have you tried the DVI output with a DVI-VGA adapter?

[Garion]

Have you tried the DVI output with a DVI-VGA adapter?

Yes, two VGA adapters tested. 4770 only dvi both outputs. If I try adapter via vga to lcd then unsupported frequencies, same via CRT detected signal but black screen. Tomorrow I'll try again. Maybe its due not proper uninstall of 9.3 x700 driver or wrong install due not right 4770 inf (but all later hd47x and 48x use R7x install...)

Tests done without any lcd attached to avoid screen detection on start.

[Calamity]

Hi Garion,

Post your modified files here (use the attachments), so I can have a look.

[Garion]

I mod CX_76825.INI and CX_76825.INF but I forgot INSTALL.INI 

changes I did:


INSTALL.INI

Calamity install.ini -> None

Reference Ati 9.5 (first I found HD4770)-> twice 94B3

R6_6=DriverPath_R6_6,0x94B3:0x29001682,0x94C1:0x21741458,0x9405,0x95C5:0x3033148C,0x9613,0x954F,0x95C0:0x3000148C,0x94C3:0x04021028,0x9490,0x94C3:0x11051462,0x9616,0x94C1:0x0D021002,0x94C3:0xE400174B,0x9501:0x25421002,0x95C5:0x01041A93
DriverPath_R6_6=\XP_INF,CX_80257.INF

R6_9=DriverPath_R6_9,0x94C3:0x01011A93,0x9440:0x24451682,0x9440:0x24441682,0x9440:0x24411682,0x9440:0x24401682,0x94C7,0x9598:0x3000148C,0x94C3:0x22471787,0x9598:0x4580174B,0x94C1,0x94B3,0x94C3:0x11041462,0x9588,0x94C3:0x203817AF
DriverPath_R6_9=\XP_INF,CX_80257.INF

CX_???.INI

Calamity CX_76825.ini -> I add only in bold:

R6_6=DriverPath_R6_6,0x94B3:0x29001682,0x5B60:0x1B601002,0x4170:0x000C18D4,0x9505:0x3000148C,0x556A,0x9598:0x3001148C,0x5B73:0x30011787,0x7187:0x30001569,0x4150:0x47721002,0x566F:0x148D148C,0x791F,0x94C3:0x03421002,0x4B49:0x00021002,0x7140:0x30001787
DriverPath_R6_6=\XP_INF,CX_76825.INF

and

R6_9=DriverPath_R6_9,0x7162:0x2162148C,0x3E70:0x0000147B,0x71A7:0x30011545,0x95C5:0x301017AF,0x5D6F:0x2161148C,0x4175,0x5E6D,0x554B:0x125018BC,0x7146:0x03221002,0x94B3,0x5B60:0x060018BC,0x5549:0x153218BC,0x7166:0x300117AF,0x554F:0x21361458
DriverPath_R6_9=\XP_INF,CX_76825.INF

Taken from reference 9.5 driver CX_80257.INI

CX_???.INF

Calamity CX_76825.INF -> I add between HD4670 and 4800 two sentences:

"ATI Radeon HD 4770" = ati2mtag_R7X, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_94B3&SUBSYS_1170174B
"ATI Radeon HD 4770" = ati2mtag_R7X, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_94B3

but in Reference 9.5 CX_80257.INF the SUBSYS is different from my SUBSYS I saw in hardware info (control panel xp). I think I test both subsys but lot of things done and I can remember 100%.  In official ATI Driver 2 sentences but:

"ATI Radeon HD 4770" = ati2mtag_R7X, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_94B3&SUBSYS_29001682
"ATI Radeon HD 4770 " = ati2mtag_R7X, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_94B3

As you see really I try do this myself but if you can help it would be appreciated.

I attach my mod files.

regards

Garion

[Garion]

finally I mod the install 

works perfect with HD4770

[Calamity]

Great! So what did you do?

[Garion]

Great! So what did you do?

what I wrote a couple days ago + mod the install.ini I forgot + and as I didn´t know what SUBSYS was right I include both (my HD4470 subsys and standard HD4770 in 9.5 driver)

I´m posting now from 640x480 Trinitron Pal (testing some mame.ini ranges from old "scart thread" and trinitron crt´s). Lets see.

[Calamity]

Ah ok. Sorry for the late response. It's good that you already figured it out. It's better not specifying the subsystem at all, so all subsystems are accepted.

[CzechMate]

Hello people!I'm new in the forum and I'm trying to download the calamity's MODIFIED DRIVERS for my ATI HD4890 but the files which were uploaded by you (drivers for WINx86 & WINx64) are not available anymore. Please, could anyone upload them again? Thanks in advance