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My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« on: August 26, 2019, 12:17:15 pm »
Hey everyone

This is my first attempt to build anything from scratch.
Earlier this year I put together a bartop from a cheap E-Bay MDF kit and a raspberry pi I had laying around. It came out ok, but I am not happy with the screen size for the vertical games and my plan was to build or convert a full size vertical cab with a 60-1 Jamma. Also since I built the bartop, we bought a slightly bigger house with a dedicated game room. Anyway, about 2 months ago, I was at a bar that had a couple of pinball machines, and I caught the bug and decided to build a Virtual Pin first (Something I always wanted to do but never had the room, or the confidence in my skill level).

First thing I did was get the PC side sorted, so I got a Dell with an i7 CPU, GTX1050ti Graphics Card, an SSD Drive and a 40' TV, and started playing with the software and adding tables. Once I got that mostly working, it was time to move on to the dreaded part of the cabinet construction. I did not like working with MDF, so went to Home Depot and got the smoothest 3/4" plywood they had, some saw blades, saw guide and a Kreg jig, also some saw horses, clamps and a sander from Harbor Freight. Got it all home and started cutting. It has been slow going as it is way too hot outside and the free time I have is limited. At least the rain has stayed away for the last week.

Day one, side panels. They came out ok and with a little sanding they were are exactly the same.



Went ahead and ordered some parts from Twisted Quarter. Stuff got here a couple of days later and cutting resumed
Front panel



Pretty happy with the way it turned out. I may change the "Launch" button to a little larger diameter one.

Trying out the Kreg jig.

 :cheers: This thing is awsome

Assembly


This is where I am now.

My plan is to get everything assembled and then loosen up the screws a bit and get some wood glue between the joints and tighten it all back together. Does that sound like a good idea?

My 4 1/2 inch holesaw got here yesterday, so I will be getting the fan holes drilled soon. I am thinking of going with a 1/2" plywood for the cabinet floor to save a little bit of weight.
I still need to get the backglass monitor before I start building the top box. I have been testing with a 24" i had laying around, but it is way too small, so going with 27" or 32" (may be overkill?).

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2019, 12:57:59 pm »
Looks to me like your off to a GREAT start.. Enjoy the process.. :-)


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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2019, 01:15:50 pm »
Looks like a good start.

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2019, 02:57:15 pm »
Great start.  I love these types of builds.

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2019, 12:30:18 am »
Take it apart and glue it up right, the screws are just place holders while the glue cures.  That's where your strenght and stability will come from.

Also you might consider cutting some small notches where you leg bolts are gonna go, befor you put it back together, otherwise good luck putting a drillbit through those corners.

Have fun you got a long way to go brother, it's like a classic car, theres always something to improve and add.

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2019, 09:21:04 am »
Take it apart and glue it up right, the screws are just place holders while the glue cures.  That's where your strenght and stability will come from.

Yup, definitely going to glue it.

Also you might consider cutting some small notches where you leg bolts are gonna go, befor you put it back together, otherwise good luck putting a drillbit through those corners.

Didn't think of that. I'll have to practice my notch cutting jig saw skills on some scrap first.

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2019, 02:41:14 pm »
Not much done this week, but I did get the fan holes cut in.

Also picked up my backglass monitor, so I can start work on the back box.
« Last Edit: September 04, 2019, 02:43:07 pm by LTC »

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2019, 02:30:21 pm »
Lovely craftsmanship!!

Curious about the 3 fan holes - I see a lot of cabinets (pin and arcade) with multiple fans.  My sense is that, as long as you have "a" fan at the top, and at least some sort of vent toward the bottom to let in air to replace the warm air, you should be ok?  Is there some sort of math involved?

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2019, 03:04:11 pm »
Is that a Ford Probe?

Nice cuts so far, would love to build one of these down the line.

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2019, 03:24:01 pm »
Lovely craftsmanship!!

Curious about the 3 fan holes - I see a lot of cabinets (pin and arcade) with multiple fans.  My sense is that, as long as you have "a" fan at the top, and at least some sort of vent toward the bottom to let in air to replace the warm air, you should be ok?  Is there some sort of math involved?

Honestly, I just went with 3 because that's what I see on most VPin builds out there. The PC will be putting out a bunch of heat, not to mention 3 monitors (40", 27", 19"), so want to move all of that hot air out.

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2019, 03:24:45 pm »
Is that a Ford Probe?

No, it's a 93 Firebird Formula

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2019, 03:42:57 pm »
Honestly, I just went with 3 because that's what I see on most VPin builds out there. The PC will be putting out a bunch of heat, not to mention 3 monitors (40", 27", 19"), so want to move all of that hot air out.
Ah ok...  I was picturing the the backglass box as a mostly separate enclosure, requiring its own fan(s)...  is there also going to be a vent of somekind on the bottom?  Thanks for answering!
« Last Edit: September 05, 2019, 03:44:30 pm by markiej »

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2019, 08:10:36 pm »
I dig it.  :cheers:


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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2019, 08:20:00 am »
Honestly, I just went with 3 because that's what I see on most VPin builds out there. The PC will be putting out a bunch of heat, not to mention 3 monitors (40", 27", 19"), so want to move all of that hot air out.
Ah ok...  I was picturing the the backglass box as a mostly separate enclosure, requiring its own fan(s)...  is there also going to be a vent of somekind on the bottom?  Thanks for answering!

They are separate, but there will be an opening with the third monitor descending in to the main cabinet. Yes, I will vent the cab from the buttom. Not sure if I am doing intake fans, or just cut in an opening with a filter to keep the dust out.

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2019, 01:33:15 pm »
Heat rises, Draw from bottom and blow out the top, fans that size are going to be quite noticeable in terms of noise.

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2019, 08:56:23 am »
Nah, bigger fans can turn slower and move plenty of air.

Those look like 120mm holes probably? You can get very, very quiet 120mm fans that will keep all the hot air from accumulating in that cabinet.


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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2019, 09:34:22 pm »
Yes, they are 120mm fans. I have had no issues with noise with them in PC builds. I can always add a fan controller to regulate the speed.

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2019, 10:43:31 pm »
^yup, big fans rule. Slower rpm while big blades push more air.

Also a great idea to control the fan speed. Might have to install a simple thermometer to check the internal heating after a while of playing and adjust the speed/noise ratio accordingly.

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2019, 11:15:52 am »
So the first screw up I caught so far.
Cut the power block in too low. Didn't catch it until I started lining up the legs to mark where to notch the panels.
Oh well. Cut out a patch piece and glued it in. Once it's all patched up and with the leg in place, it should just fine.

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #19 on: September 15, 2019, 12:40:09 am »
This week's progress:
A lot of attempts at making notches for the leg bolts (on scrap plywood). Finally settled on my Milwaukee M12 "ripsaw" and finished off with the Dremel to smooth things out.
Now it stands all on it's own, like a newborn fawn on it's unsteady legs (finger tightened the bolts, they will be coming off again very soon)


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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #20 on: September 18, 2019, 05:20:13 pm »
Had some free time in the last couple of days. Made a monitor mount and installed support brackets. I think the position works. The back of the mount will be on a "hinge" to allow the monitor to swing up for cabinet access, like a real pinball playfield (hopefully)


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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #21 on: September 22, 2019, 08:42:07 pm »
Finished up the playfield monitor mount this weekend. A bit of redneck engineering on the rear pivot. A bit of scrap 1/2" EMT pipe and 3 EMT straps. A pair of $4 flanged bearings and $3 closet rod brackets from Ace hardware. Just need to get a pair of lid support hinges to keep the monitor in position when needed.



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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #22 on: September 23, 2019, 02:40:44 am »
Nice!  Clever work on the hinge.

I dig it.  You are going to be done way before I am.   :applaud:

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2019, 01:07:58 pm »
Nice!  Clever work on the hinge.

I dig it.  You are going to be done way before I am.   :applaud:

That may happen, but what you're building is way cooler and miles ahead of my skill level.

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #24 on: October 08, 2019, 10:51:15 pm »
I've been working a lot the last three weeks so not much time to work on this. The overtime does help to fund the project   ;D
I ordered the Zebsboards Plunger V3 Kit and a 14" 1280x390 monitor for the DMD display.

I did find a couple of hours today to get some work done. Back to a double shift tomorrow.
Installed one of the lift supports for the playfield monitor. Was not paying any attention to the packaging when I grabbed the supports and didn't see that they are handed  :banghead:. I'll have to swap one out for a left hand one and get the other side done.


Also started on the backbox.



Not bad for a couple of hours of work. Speaker/DMD panel and backbox monitor mount next.

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #25 on: October 14, 2019, 11:34:09 am »
Got more work done on the back box.

Back panel with fan holes drilled out

Monitor mount



Bolted back together



I was hoping to have the lower monitor/speaker panel done as well, but I ran out of wood.

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #26 on: October 25, 2019, 02:47:56 pm »
Got the 3rd monitor mounted. Getting close now.


Still need to cut out the speaker holes.

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #27 on: November 18, 2019, 09:02:33 pm »
Not much done lately, but had some time over the weekend.
Finally speakers in the speaker panel


Built the frame for the floor panel and got the sub and fans mounted



I'm close to getting started on patching and painting. Good time for it now that the humidity and heat are gone. Just need to figure out a mount for the lockdown bar and drill the flipper button holes.

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #28 on: November 18, 2019, 10:47:39 pm »
Right on.

Your backbox is proportional to itself - that looks right to me.  Working around the limits of a 16:9 backglass monitor, this is in my opinion the best result.   :applaud:

If you're looking for suggestions... the backbox looks right to me by itself, but when you put it on the main cabinet here, I think the backbox looks a little short and the body looks a little tall.  A thing that I found helped the visual proportions of the backbox against the table when I ran into something similar was to put the backbox up on a little bit of a neck like a mid-80s Williams had - like a Road Kings or a Pin-Bot.  If you haven't permanently attached the backbox to the body, I'd suggest maybe try mocking up a 2" riser or so that is a little wider than your big cord passthrough via, but narrower than the table and the backbox, and see if it looks more right - on mine, the neck kind of hides the backbox being a little short.

I can photoshop up what I mean if you can't picture it.  It doesn't look bad to me as is - you might not like the change, or it might not be worth the hassle. 

In any case, I like your project.   :cheers:  It's gonna look great painted.

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #29 on: November 19, 2019, 12:22:13 am »
Right on.

Your backbox is proportional to itself - that looks right to me.  Working around the limits of a 16:9 backglass monitor, this is in my opinion the best result.   :applaud:

If you're looking for suggestions... the backbox looks right to me by itself, but when you put it on the main cabinet here, I think the backbox looks a little short and the body looks a little tall.  A thing that I found helped the visual proportions of the backbox against the table when I ran into something similar was to put the backbox up on a little bit of a neck like a mid-80s Williams had - like a Road Kings or a Pin-Bot.  If you haven't permanently attached the backbox to the body, I'd suggest maybe try mocking up a 2" riser or so that is a little wider than your big cord passthrough via, but narrower than the table and the backbox, and see if it looks more right - on mine, the neck kind of hides the backbox being a little short.


  Good eye man...You are not wrong 8)

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #30 on: November 19, 2019, 08:40:40 am »
Very nice - looking forward to seeing it done :)   :applaud:

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #31 on: November 19, 2019, 09:14:40 am »
Right on.

Your backbox is proportional to itself - that looks right to me.  Working around the limits of a 16:9 backglass monitor, this is in my opinion the best result.   :applaud:

If you're looking for suggestions... the backbox looks right to me by itself, but when you put it on the main cabinet here, I think the backbox looks a little short and the body looks a little tall.  A thing that I found helped the visual proportions of the backbox against the table when I ran into something similar was to put the backbox up on a little bit of a neck like a mid-80s Williams had - like a Road Kings or a Pin-Bot.  If you haven't permanently attached the backbox to the body, I'd suggest maybe try mocking up a 2" riser or so that is a little wider than your big cord passthrough via, but narrower than the table and the backbox, and see if it looks more right - on mine, the neck kind of hides the backbox being a little short.

I can photoshop up what I mean if you can't picture it.  It doesn't look bad to me as is - you might not like the change, or it might not be worth the hassle. 

In any case, I like your project.   :cheers:  It's gonna look great painted.

Thank you for the input. I was actually thinking the same thing. I know the cabinet style you're referencing and can definitely mock up a riser. Currently, the backbox is mounted with 2 wing bolts threaded in to inserts from inside the cabinet, so easy to remove. It's built that way for easy transport to the second floor for it's final destination.

My only concern is the ceiling height, as the room has the ceilings that slope down from the center.

Another option to to shave an inch off the bottom of the lower box?

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #32 on: November 19, 2019, 02:54:59 pm »
Putting a new floor in the lower box seems like way too much work to me just to shorten the body a little - I don't think it's that bad.  I mean, you *could*, but it looks like more rework than seems justified to me.  (You can tweak that perceived shape somewhat with your side art, too.)

I'm getting my sense of proportion by comparing it back and forth to photos of real pins at similar angles - but if it's not going to be sitting next to one upstairs then that side-by-side comparison won't be available when it's done, and it won't be as much of an issue.  (Mine would also look more incorrect sitting next to a real pin.)

I'd say you could lower the main cabinet to make neck room by mounting the legs slightly higher, to clear your headroom issue - but the ergonomics of your palms on the lockdown bar and the playfield table height matter much more than a subtle aesthetic tweak does, so it's better to get those at what feel right and to make the rest work.

The sloping ceiling might alter how it looks in situ, too.  If it goes all the way up to the roof, it might have a harder time looking short once installed there.

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #33 on: November 19, 2019, 08:16:42 pm »
Putting a new floor in the lower box seems like way too much work to me just to shorten the body a little - I don't think it's that bad.  I mean, you *could*, but it looks like more rework than seems justified to me.  (You can tweak that perceived shape somewhat with your side art, too.)

I'm getting my sense of proportion by comparing it back and forth to photos of real pins at similar angles - but if it's not going to be sitting next to one upstairs then that side-by-side comparison won't be available when it's done, and it won't be as much of an issue.  (Mine would also look more incorrect sitting next to a real pin.)

I'd say you could lower the main cabinet to make neck room by mounting the legs slightly higher, to clear your headroom issue - but the ergonomics of your palms on the lockdown bar and the playfield table height matter much more than a subtle aesthetic tweak does, so it's better to get those at what feel right and to make the rest work.

The sloping ceiling might alter how it looks in situ, too.  If it goes all the way up to the roof, it might have a harder time looking short once installed there.

For reference, this is what the room ceiling looks like. The dart board is mounted on the only piece of wall that would support the regulation height. There is a closet door on the other side of the door and the opposite wall has a window with built-in cabinets on each side.

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #34 on: November 19, 2019, 08:27:21 pm »
Ended up having some free time after work, so used it to work on the pin.

First time working with a trim router that I purchased a couple of weeks ago. Mortised in some notches for the lockdown bar mount

Glued and clamped the back side of the mount

Test fit in the cab. Used a couple of 8-32 screws to secure the bar to the mount. Will be using winged bolts and threaded inserts for easier removal.


Also drilled and routed the flipper and magna-save button holes. I'm making quick friends with my new trim router  :cheers:

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #35 on: November 19, 2019, 11:35:33 pm »
Your lockdown bar mounting is SO much better and simpler than mine.

I'm an idiot.   :laugh:

Well done!

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #36 on: November 23, 2019, 07:37:14 pm »
You are certainly not. Your work proves that over and over

Quick update.
No fab work, bur I do have a lot of company coming over starting tomorrow and all through Thanksgiving, so instead of answering a ton of questions on how things will look when I'm done, I just put everything together.




Still to do before filler and primer;
Cut rear doors and figure out what to do for the hinges
Make a filler panel for the space between the backbox and main monitor
Route a notch in the side panels where the glass is going to lay
Make a riser for the backbox??
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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #37 on: November 24, 2019, 04:37:48 am »
I would think a spacer more than a riser given your space requirement, a chunk of 2x6 on its side would only give you 1 1/2" but enough to separate the two and give the aesthetically finished look (IMHO) 8)...And you could just use longer bolts still using your existing T/nuts.
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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #38 on: November 25, 2019, 02:06:33 am »
Yes.  What Jennifer said.  Slice a 2x6 off a few inches shorter than the playfield cabinet is wide, slip it underneath the backbox, prop it all up carefully, snap a photo and see if it looks better or not.  Run a tape measure from the top of the backbox to the ground and see if that still fits in your upstairs room.   That'll tell you (and us) if it's even worth contemplating further.

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #39 on: November 27, 2019, 12:58:02 pm »
So here's a mock-up with 2 pieces of 3/4" plywood. Is that a bit better? I think I can make it fit.

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #40 on: November 27, 2019, 02:25:10 pm »
I think it improves the shape.  That might just be me - what do you think, Jennifer?

I was curious how it would look with a narrower neck, so I took some crude photoshop to your photo as an experiment to save you the trouble.  A narrower neck would look something like this for comparison, which is approximately what I was initially imagining.

What really matters is, what do you think?  It's for you - don't let me prod you in a direction you aren't inclined to go.  (I don't think it's bad looking in any of these variations.)

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #41 on: November 27, 2019, 05:29:20 pm »
Oh yes, I think it distracts the eye just enough to bring it all together, and really liking that smaller pedestal look... Although The stress of gameplay, and weight would be a concern, and would seriously consider some sub structure under that sill plate (or at least some angle iron brackets)...Overall it is a really nice build, with obvious integrity, Incorperating old, new, and conceptual techniques all in one machine.

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #42 on: November 27, 2019, 08:45:59 pm »
Thank you both. I do agree that the narrower spacer looks better and I can easily work up a support system for the rigidity. I will work on that this weekend. I have the rest of the panels cut, just need to get the hinges for the doors and attach the filler panel.

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #43 on: November 28, 2019, 11:11:40 am »
+1 more who likes the new mock-up.  The proportions look a lot better to the eye.  Love this thing so far!

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« Reply #44 on: December 04, 2019, 06:41:00 pm »
Spacer is made. How's this?

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #45 on: December 04, 2019, 09:38:53 pm »
You nailed it!!!...Now the disassembly, If you want to save some time and work, it is IMO ready for color now that everything fits...Not what you wanted to hear I would imagine but it is far easier now before you start anymore assembly, Baggies work well for this keeping hardware organized, Quality Latex house paint and a fine foam roller is probably the cheaper solution of choices but will give a nice finish if applied in thin multiple coats. (Over a sealer of course)

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« Reply #46 on: December 05, 2019, 09:46:58 am »
Definitely better.  :applaud:

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #47 on: December 06, 2019, 02:43:01 am »
Love it.    :D 

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« Reply #48 on: December 06, 2019, 07:26:36 am »
Agreed - nice adjustment.   :applaud:
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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #49 on: December 18, 2019, 08:03:54 pm »
Not what you wanted to hear I would imagine but it is far easier now before you start anymore assembly

Actually, that was always the plan. After months of work, this is what I have today. Sanded all panels down to 220 grit (60, 80, 120, 220). This is what I am left with today

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #50 on: December 24, 2019, 10:28:32 am »
Are you planning to glue the cabinet body together before paint?

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #51 on: December 24, 2019, 01:21:04 pm »
Yes. I will prime and paint the inside first, leaving bare wood in the contact areas. After that, glue and screw together and finish off the outside.

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #52 on: January 04, 2020, 12:05:52 pm »
Got some of the cabinet internals primed and painted. Stuff no one but me will ever get to see. Also, started body filler and primer on the backbox spacer using the OND painting guide. Starting on the smallest piece first. Also painted the "coin door" carriage bolt heads

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #53 on: January 04, 2020, 12:11:53 pm »
You may as well just start putting that back together, it won't be any harder to paint it...And it has to be killing you to see it like that.

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #54 on: January 04, 2020, 12:36:38 pm »
I'd rather take my time and do it right. I know it's not going to be perfect, but I want it to be presentable. I should have been further along, but the weather has been unseasonably wet here on the weekends.

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #55 on: February 05, 2020, 09:54:53 am »
I'm having a ---smurfette--- of a time with paint. I have the prep work down. Sanding to 320 grit, 2 coats of high build primer with 600 grit between coats, and final coat of sandable primer hit it with 600 grit wet sand. Nice and smooth outcome. I then tried to roll on some satin black with a foam roller on a small piece of the cab, and the paint bubbled on me pretty bad. So sanded again and prepped the board as before down to 600 grit wet sand. Tried spraying satin black and although the paint went on smooth, the finish came out blotchy, with some flat spots and some glossy spots. At this point I figured I would try gloss black. Picked up a can of gloss, and the sprayer was defective and splattered all over the board  :banghead: Back to sanding again.

On the bright side, we got a 3D printer at work so I had to play with it a little. Printed some leaf switch holders for my buttons and test fitted



I may have to shave a bit of material off the switch contact surface to get the button a little closer to the contact point


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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #56 on: February 05, 2020, 11:54:18 am »
What type of black paint?  If it bubbled and it didn't self level, you need to reduce it.

Latex = use Floetrol
Oil - I use a little turpentine..

It gives the paint time to level before setting..
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« Reply #57 on: February 05, 2020, 12:24:37 pm »
It's latex. The bubbles did not settle fully. I was hoping they would.

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #58 on: February 05, 2020, 12:31:31 pm »
Do a test with this:  Floetrol

Helps Latex level by extending dry time..  I'm using this on my cab now.. 

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #59 on: February 05, 2020, 01:33:43 pm »
Only use a few drops of that stuff at a time!

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« Reply #60 on: February 05, 2020, 01:41:41 pm »
Only use a few drops of that stuff at a time!

I've gone 5%-10%  - have you had an issue?  The directions give a good ratio to add...
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« Reply #61 on: February 05, 2020, 02:34:53 pm »
Only use a few drops of that stuff at a time!

I've gone 5%-10%  - have you had an issue?  The directions give a good ratio to add...

Last time I used it the paint really thinned out and took forever to dry.  When I dialed it back to a few drops it worked a little better.  YMMV

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #62 on: March 14, 2020, 06:53:16 pm »
Finally got the paint on the inside to where I can live with it.
The main cab is now glued and screwed together. I have the first layer of body filler on the outside sanded and the second layer applied. Should be ready for primer tomorrow.

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« Reply #63 on: March 17, 2020, 09:28:07 pm »
First go around with primer is done. Dry sanded with 600 grit and more Bondo applied where needed.
I swear I have spent more $$$ on primer than the plywood to build the damned thing.

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #64 on: March 17, 2020, 09:53:52 pm »
Do you own a plot across the street?

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #65 on: March 17, 2020, 10:39:44 pm »
Lol, no, my fat ass is getting cremated, but I do like the quiet neighborhood.

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #66 on: March 17, 2020, 10:55:55 pm »
So, I tell my wife not to cremate me... Unless she did it and needs the insurance.

I tell my friends that I don't want to be cremated... And if I am, it means she did it.



Some day, probably soon, this will create a lot of drama.

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« Reply #67 on: March 18, 2020, 10:13:07 am »
So, I tell my wife not to cremate me... Unless she did it and needs the insurance.

I tell my friends that I don't want to be cremated... And if I am, it means she did it.



Some day, probably soon, this will create a lot of drama.

This my friends is how you tell a joke.   :cheers:

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #68 on: March 22, 2020, 10:46:35 pm »
Got paint on the front and back panels. Looks pretty good. I will need to go get some more paint to start on the sides. For whatever reason, I can't attach pictures. I get an error that there is a security problem with the attachments?

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #69 on: March 23, 2020, 01:04:57 am »
Looking good, man!

Re: attachments, that's a known bug with the board.  Try resizing your pictures down by like a pixel or so, anything to change the checksum, and they will probably work.  I run into it sometimes too.  Occasionally I have to tweak a picture twice before it will take it.

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« Reply #70 on: March 23, 2020, 08:11:45 am »
Thank you. I will try to resize the pictures. It's odd, I haven't had the problem before.

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« Reply #71 on: March 23, 2020, 02:26:32 pm »
Ok, got the pictures to upload
I'll have to wet-sand before the next coat, but that should't be too bad of an ordeal.

Getting paint in to all the hidden spots no one but me will ever see.


Front and back panels first coat.

(Sides are still in primer)
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« Reply #72 on: March 26, 2020, 11:15:04 am »
Paint is finished and the main cab is upstairs ready for assembly. On to the backbox.


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« Reply #73 on: March 31, 2020, 07:53:39 pm »
Got the legs on. Installed the buttons and made up the wiring harnesses. No power supply installed yet but I did get a temporary 12VDC power source in to see how the buttons look all lit up. Also modded my blank coin door with some 25c buttons and fake 3D printed return slots.


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« Reply #74 on: March 31, 2020, 09:56:09 pm »
Ooh, pretty. 

That's lookin good.  I dig the modded coin door.   :applaud:

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« Reply #75 on: April 03, 2020, 10:19:16 pm »
Ooh, pretty. 

That's lookin good.  I dig the modded coin door.   :applaud:

Thank you  :cheers:

Got the LED exhaust fans installed in the back. Moving plenty of air and virtually silent doing so. I was going to install the cheapo ebay intake fans in the bottom of the cab, but the bearings are already making some noise, so I just ordered another set of the LED fans on Prime.

Also getting the PC location finalized inside

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« Reply #76 on: April 04, 2020, 07:59:10 pm »
Wire management figured out. Found some 1"x1" finger duct laying around (also have some 2"x2" to mout behind the PC to hide the larger wires. I see some projects that leave the wire management as one of the last things to do, but not this guy.


All wires labeled. 1/4" shrink labels printed on my Dymo 5200 label maker. I did hit them with the heat gun after the pictore was taken.


Here it is all buttoned up. The sub is now mounted as well. The printed wiring diagram will get laminated once our office is back up for business again, and I'll attach it where it's sitting right now. I still have 4 more maintenance buttons to install and wire up inside of the cab, so the terminal block will be a little more populated.

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« Reply #77 on: April 05, 2020, 07:35:57 am »
That is crazy nice looking!  :applaud: I am terrible at making wiring look good. I always give up.

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« Reply #78 on: April 06, 2020, 10:08:10 am »
Minor update from yesterday

Installed the "Service Menu" buttons inside the coin door and finished wiring the controls


Mounted the PC and installed the 2"x2" finger duct


Extended the Playfield TV controls so that I can move them to just inside the coin door for any adjustments needed. Also, since the TV does not turn on on power restore, soldered leads to the power button that will go to a relay that will pulse on power up.
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« Reply #79 on: April 06, 2020, 02:01:45 pm »
You are doing nice work  :applaud: :applaud:

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« Reply #80 on: April 09, 2020, 12:37:32 am »
That is crazy nice looking!  :applaud: I am terrible at making wiring look good. I always give up.

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« Reply #81 on: April 09, 2020, 06:09:19 am »
Love it!  I'm going to do something similar with 3/4" aluminum angle to fake side rails on Shapeshifter.   :cheers:

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« Reply #82 on: April 10, 2020, 06:47:20 am »
Very nice!

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #83 on: April 10, 2020, 01:53:13 pm »
Thanks. Yes, most likely will do a shaker. Plan is to get this done and playable, and then I will work on the force feedback and lighting devices.

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #84 on: April 12, 2020, 11:44:22 pm »
This will be the last update on the main cab for a while as I am moving on tothe backbox now  ;D

Amazon brought the rest of my fans, so got those mounted up. Also got the audio controls mounted inside the coin door and wired up.


Made a temporary mount for the power supply out of some scrap plywwod. the final mount will be 3/8" marine board, but the guy I get that stuff from is not taking any civilian orders at this time. The top bourd is 12VDC power supply that can handle up to 10AMPS. Middle board is a 4 position power distribution board, bottom right board is a 2 position power distribution board. These 2 will be replaced by a pair of 8 position distribution boards in the final configuration. the lower left board is the timer relay that pulses a few seconds after power is pllied to turn on the playfield monitor.


And finally, the monitor is installed, as well as the trim piece at the back of the monitor shelf that blocks out the back of the cab.


For the backbox, basically just need to sand, prime and paint, but first I am thinking of routing in a 3/16" space for the glass in front of the backglass monitor to sit in. I'll have to do a couple of practice cuts on some scraps first though.
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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #85 on: April 13, 2020, 07:51:01 am »
Great looking machine  :applaud:  Nice work on the wiring and connectors too.
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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #86 on: April 21, 2020, 11:20:22 pm »
Great looking machine  :applaud:  Nice work on the wiring and connectors too.

Thank you.

While I'm working on the backbox, I couldn't resist getting a few games in. Love the response of the anolog plunger and I didn't notice any delay on the flippers. More to come.

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #87 on: April 22, 2020, 04:24:37 am »
Looking awesome  ;D :applaud:

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #88 on: May 14, 2020, 09:27:33 am »
Been really busy at work in the past few weeks, but I have been slowly getting the backbox ready for paint.
Routed in a channel to slide the glass in front of the monitor in to. It will sit in to a pocket at the top of the speaker/DMD panel.
The top of the backbox has a channel cut in to it and will slip on top of the glass to hold it in place.
Also routed a pocket in the DMD mount to sit 3/16" plexi in front of the screen.
One more coat of primer and wet sand before the paint goes on. Hopefully will have some color this weekend.




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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #89 on: May 26, 2020, 05:51:44 pm »
Paint done and reassmbly started

Fitted cardboard to mock up the glass panels

Assmbled and bolted down to the cab

Playing a couple of rounds of Cyclone

Now I need to wire up the 3rd monitor (needed a male connector for the power) and then on to task of changing out all of the B2S files to the 3 screen versions and getting all the DMD games lined up to the 3rd screen. Also have to install the back doors and the panel behind the playfield monitor.
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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #90 on: May 26, 2020, 06:47:50 pm »
Damn, that's coming together quick, and looking good.  Nice job.

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #91 on: May 27, 2020, 08:30:57 am »
Damn, that's coming together quick, and looking good.  Nice job.

Thanks, but it sure doesn't seem like it's going quick. It'll be a year since I started this on July 4th weekend.'

Got the 3rd monitor powered up and have PinballX and some of the games configured for 3 screens.




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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #92 on: May 28, 2020, 10:46:55 am »
Dude, don't go down the pinball x rabbit hole, go ahead and install pinup popper, and start learning that, way more functionality and features, so that you can get more out of the cab than just playing.

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #93 on: May 28, 2020, 05:24:04 pm »
This is looking amazing!  When I finish my 4 player cab, I'll be working on a strategy to get a pinball machine some day.  You're inspiring me to strongly consider the virtual path.   :cheers:

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #94 on: May 29, 2020, 10:01:34 am »
Dude, don't go down the pinball x rabbit hole, go ahead and install pinup popper, and start learning that, way more functionality and features, so that you can get more out of the cab than just playing.
I tried installing Popper a while back but my AV flagged it as a virus and I didn't want to fight it at that time. I will definitely revisit at some point.
I have Pinup Player running with a couple of tables. Very impressive.
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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #95 on: June 05, 2020, 09:01:11 am »
Well, my sub-woofer quit working. Took apart the volume controller box and found the pot snapped off the board? I know I have been smacking the cab pretty hard fine-tuning the nudge sensor, but I didn't think it was that hard. Oh well, new pot should be here Monday. Some soldering repair work in my near future. 

Other then that, I have most of the tables set up for 3 screens and have been enjoying some game play.
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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #96 on: June 06, 2020, 09:46:11 am »
I can assure you its not a virus, and plus you better get ready to disable you AV on that cab it destroys your setup, removes files and blocks certain functions.

When you start getting into the software side, and start hitting bumps, people are going to ask you did you disable your AV.

Also if you want less headaches, updates your OS before you start tweaking and adding too much, then block further updates, windows updates will hose up your setup as well.

Popper is way faster and smoother than X, i've been on it since day 1 no viruses :) ,you will get way more out of your cab with popper than with X to make up for taht year you spent building it.

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #97 on: June 06, 2020, 06:44:50 pm »
Ouch on that potentiometer!  That surprises me too, maybe the factory solder joints were iffy in the first place.

Looking great.  I really like your setup, that's tasteful and it looks right to me.

Are the big three fan LEDs rgb?  If they are, have you considered setting them up as a 3-flasher in DOF?   :D

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #98 on: June 25, 2020, 03:57:07 pm »
Ouch on that potentiometer!  That surprises me too, maybe the factory solder joints were iffy in the first place.
Not the solder. The little PCB that attaches the pot to the main controller board snapped off  :dunno
I have that fixed now, so one less thing to do.

Looking great.  I really like your setup, that's tasteful and it looks right to me.
Thank you  :cheers:

Are the big three fan LEDs rgb?  If they are, have you considered setting them up as a 3-flasher in DOF?   :D
No, they are just red LED fans. I have the panel behind the playfield mounted now, so you can't see them anyway. I will mount some RGB flashers to that panel at some point.

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #99 on: July 31, 2020, 03:36:46 pm »
I have been enjoying playing this as it sits. I have many hours of play time put in, but it is time to get back to work. Just got my parts to start the FFB part of the project. The contactor coils are 24vdc, so need to add a power supply and well, as I only have 12vdc in there now.
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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #100 on: August 02, 2020, 10:48:40 am »
Nice job.  Having never seen a pinball table like this before other than online, does it really work?  Does the screen create a satisfactory illusion of depth, etc.?  I know it's not a substitute for the real thing but I've seen enough people build these things so it must look great.

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #101 on: August 02, 2020, 01:44:41 pm »
To be honest, the depth is not perfect. Some table are better then others. I also had a budget in mind (well past that threshold now, lol) when I started, so I went with a 1080p monitor instead of a 4K. It still looks great to me when playing and is a ton of fun.

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Re: My very slow Virtual Pin build thread
« Reply #102 on: August 02, 2020, 04:40:27 pm »
I made the test rig today. Everything is wired and ready for testing outside of the cab. Only thing I'm missing is the old school USB cable the relay module requires. I'm pretty sure I have some at the office and I need to go by there tomorrow anyway.