Sinden vs Aimtrak - Getting rid of your Aimtrak? or what’s making you hold on?

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Rockstead:

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Typically when I see an Aimtrak owner talk about the gun in a positive way, it’s because they are using crosshairs and now have a perception that it is accurate, while those without crosshairs seem to be the most frustrated.

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We do not receive that type of feedback. Once calibrated owners are generally not frustrated at all as far as we hear.

There are sometimes hurdles in getting calibrated but all are simple to overcome by reading through the troubleshooting steps on our site.

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As an outsider looking in with absolutely zero stake in either gun, one could make an assumption that there was a problem with the current light gun offerings for the Sinden to do so well in the Kickstarter and what it is promising to deliver, especially when your gun is the only other well established gun, has good brand recognition, but the market is telling you something and sometimes we go in to denial instead acknowledging there are issues.

In all honesty, I would prefer to see a well established and reputable company like yours back the best gun with long term support and not risk a product that could disappear from the market from someone new to the business which happens to a lot of companies, even when they have a better product.

Quote from the Sinden site:

“It interacts directly with the television and doesn't require additional hardware around the television or any calibration. It is always accurate even if you change your position.”

lightgungamer:
My experience with the Aimtrak is that it’s the best on the market at the minute but only just on the edge of playable. It’s not really like traditional lightguns as you don’t consistently get the feel that you can aim with it.

Once you calibrate it, it is spot on but if you move even slightly the calibration goes off. So you can’t hand the gun to another player without them calibrating it again.

I think that is the general interest in the Sinden light gun. It will just work without calibration and without problems if you shift position.

I had heard that ultimarc made multi led bar solutions for arcade machines that are much more consistent. I don’t think home users can buy them though.

Anyone know if thats that the case ?

I have wondered before if more leds would fix the calibration problem.

Howard_Casto:
Yes and no most likely. Sinden guns basically search for the border of the screen (via the white border) and use the four corners of said border and their position on the captured image to determine angle and position from the center of the screen. The same thing could be done with ir points.

The problem with both methods is distance.... you have to have all or at least most of the gameplay area in frame for accurate calculations, meaning you have to stand pretty far back. A stationary camera in just the right position that tracks a dot projected onto the screen fired from the gun, imho, would be the most accurate and fool proof setup. So I'm placing my bets on laser based guns until I get my hands on a sinden to try it out.

lightgungamer:
Yeah, that makes sense and the PDP Mars gun looks promising as a laser solution although that’s not available yet either.

If you had points on all 4 edges and could see 2 (a horizontal and a vertical, it should be possible to work out the position exactly from that though shouldn’t it? (If you already knew the size of the screen)

I was more wondering about what was available now though and if it was possible to buy the Aimtraks solution with more leds (or if I had just imagined it!)

Titchgamer:

--- Quote from: lightgungamer on August 25, 2019, 04:33:18 am ---Yeah, that makes sense and the PDP Mars gun looks promising as a laser solution although that’s not available yet either.

If you had points on all 4 edges and could see 2 (a horizontal and a vertical, it should be possible to work out the position exactly from that though shouldn’t it? (If you already knew the size of the screen)

I was more wondering about what was available now though and if it was possible to buy the Aimtraks solution with more leds (or if I had just imagined it!)

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Nah 2 points wouldn't work as if you are looking from a steep angle then the TV appears bigger at the front than the back side.
Although I never understand why people moan about that as I like to be sat/stood directly infront of the screen not 3 foot off to the side :s

As for howards point about the camera distance yes that is the only problem really but I like to be pretty far away from my screen not touching it so thats not a issue for me.
When I tested the Sinden prototype I was able to get pretty close to my screen considering its a large wide screen but mostly played it on my sofa at what I would call a comfortable distance LOL
It could be dealt with to some degree using a wide angle lens but that in turn creates its own problems so its a balancing act between distance and accuracy/distortion of the lens I would think.

But in regards to the more IR points for the AT's I understand Andy does do them but does not sell them?
Dont know but never seen them for sale personally :p

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