Sinden Lightgun Kickstarter date revealed!

[lllll44]

Is the usb cord pretty long that comes with it?

Its about 5m.

thanks man, seems its really fast and not laggy like the ir tech...hope to see more videos of you playing some games.

[Titchgamer]

Is the usb cord pretty long that comes with it?

Its about 5m.

thanks man, seems its really fast and not laggy like the ir tech...hope to see more videos of you playing some games.

Yeah its very responsive.
No complaints thus far other than I wish the front sight block was a little fatter.

[BadMouth]

Hmm not sure about cloned aim traks.
I believe the act labs guns were the same but never owned one so not sure.

LOL.  Act Labs were old school CRT guns.  They worked (and performed) exactly the same as the original old arcade and console guns.  Completely different animal.

[Titchgamer]

Hmm not sure about cloned aim traks.
I believe the act labs guns were the same but never owned one so not sure.

LOL.  Act Labs were old school CRT guns.  They worked (and performed) exactly the same as the original old arcade and console guns.  Completely different animal.

Hmm was there another lightgun with labs in the name then? I know there was defo one that worked almost exactly the same as the AT's but been unavailable for some time.

Arcade labs maybe???

[SammyWI]

Is the usb cord pretty long that comes with it?

Its about 5m.

thanks man, seems its really fast and not laggy like the ir tech...hope to see more videos of you playing some games.

Yeah its very responsive.
No complaints thus far other than I wish the front sight block was a little fatter.

At least making the front sight blade wider should be fairly easy (and reversible) compared to making it thinner.

[Titchgamer]

Is the usb cord pretty long that comes with it?

Its about 5m.

thanks man, seems its really fast and not laggy like the ir tech...hope to see more videos of you playing some games.

Yeah its very responsive.
No complaints thus far other than I wish the front sight block was a little fatter.

At least making the front sight blade wider should be fairly easy (and reversible) compared to making it thinner.

Yeah a easy mod with some sugru

[BadMouth]

Hmm not sure about cloned aim traks.
I believe the act labs guns were the same but never owned one so not sure.

LOL.  Act Labs were old school CRT guns.  They worked (and performed) exactly the same as the original old arcade and console guns.  Completely different animal.

Hmm was there another lightgun with labs in the name then? I know there was defo one that worked almost exactly the same as the AT's but been unavailable for some time.

Arcade labs maybe???

You might be thinking of https://arcadeguns.com/.
They use Aim-Trak internals. 
Ultimarc released the DIY kits, but was slow to market with the complete gun.
Someone saw an opportunity and took it.  Looks like they are still in business.

[Titchgamer]

Hmm not sure about cloned aim traks.
I believe the act labs guns were the same but never owned one so not sure.

LOL.  Act Labs were old school CRT guns.  They worked (and performed) exactly the same as the original old arcade and console guns.  Completely different animal.

Hmm was there another lightgun with labs in the name then? I know there was defo one that worked almost exactly the same as the AT's but been unavailable for some time.

Arcade labs maybe???

You might be thinking of https://arcadeguns.com/.
They use Aim-Trak internals. 
Ultimarc released the DIY kits, but was slow to market with the complete gun.
Someone saw an opportunity and took it.  Looks like they are still in business.

Thats the jockys!

Back on topic though, I am suprised no comment from you regsrding the video.
I made that just for you

[KenToad]

It looks amazing so far. Thanks for sharing, Titchgamer!

[Jayinem]

Speaking of Aim-trak, is Sinden clearly better than Aim-trak?

[Titchgamer]

Speaking of Aim-trak, is Sinden clearly better than Aim-trak?

Initial thoughts, Yes.

[Mike A]

I am glad to see people get these in their hands. I hope they prove to be durable over the long haul.

[Titchgamer]

I am glad to see people get these in their hands. I hope they prove to be durable over the long haul.

Yeah they seem pretty durable, You can put that axe away Mike, Andy came through on his promise lol.

[Jayinem]

Well it's the beginning, still a long way to go. When you say "order now and get it MAYBE in November" that might work for the first few rounds but eventually it needs to be where someone who wants one can order one and get it in 1-2 weeks tops. There likely will be less orders to fulfill than more after all the Kickstarter backers get theirs.

[BadMouth]

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Just note the mouse only moves at the speed its set at in windows so its not lagging occasionally its just my mouse speed not keeping up lol

I missed this somehow.  Looks like it performs proper!  Much better than expected.
I'm surprised it works that close.   

[Mike A]

I am glad to see people get these in their hands. I hope they prove to be durable over the long haul.

Yeah they seem pretty durable, You can put that axe away Mike, Andy came through on his promise lol.

I am happy to be wrong about this guy.

[Titchgamer]

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Just note the mouse only moves at the speed its set at in windows so its not lagging occasionally its just my mouse speed not keeping up lol

I missed this somehow.  Looks like it performs proper!  Much better than expected.
I'm surprised it works that close.   

Yeah he put a wider angle lens in than the prototype I think?
Obv in 4:3 mode you can get closer still if you want but that would involve me sitting on the floor lol.

[Trnzaddict]

Thanks for testing the distance in your video. So the tracking blows Aimtrak out of the water upon first impressions including changing positions. That is worth a buy in my book alone.

Also you’re using a 46 inch TV and it seems to track 100% even at 3 feet. I have a super ir sensor bar combined with a 32 inch Gsync on my cab and I can’t get my Aimtraks calibrated unless I am back 5-6 feet.

Problem is the wait time right now on these. As someone else suggested typical wait time is reasonable at 1-2 weeks but because it seems like it is much longer I won’t be purchasing them until distribution times are somewhat realistic.

Also I would want Demulshooter to have 100% compatibility as it’s a saving grace for many emulators and games that were coded to only use 1 mouse.

[KenToad]

Yeah, I'm impressed, but definitely not going to preorder something for November. I would probably order at least one gun right now if they were in stock and delivering within a couple of weeks. If I'm waiting anyway, I might as well wait and see how the kickback version pans out.

[Titchgamer]

Thanks for testing the distance in your video. So the tracking blows Aimtrak out of the water upon first impressions including changing positions. That is worth a buy in my book alone.

Also you’re using a 46 inch TV and it seems to track 100% even at 3 feet. I have a super ir sensor bar combined with a 32 inch Gsync on my cab and I can’t get my Aimtraks calibrated unless I am back 5-6 feet.

Problem is the wait time right now on these. As someone else suggested typical wait time is reasonable at 1-2 weeks but because it seems like it is much longer I won’t be purchasing them until distribution times are somewhat realistic.

Also I would want Demulshooter to have 100% compatibility as it’s a saving grace for many emulators and games that were coded to only use 1 mouse.

Oh just to clarify my TV is 42” not 46” (that was my cock up! :p)
But I doubt a few inches will make much difference tbh (giggidy)

Regarding distribution times we all need to remember this is literally one bloke running the entire thing.
I dont know his long term plans but it will be hard for him to be able to meet a 2 week order window.

Thats a awfull lot of stock to purchase and hold waiting for people to buy.
And I presume he is still doing his normal day job I dont know??

Me personally I would rather be a name on a list for a few months than trying to get onto the list during a potentially short order window.

Dont get me wrong I would love to see him be able to sell on demand but thats a tall order for 1 guy.

[JDFan]

Dont get me wrong I would love to see him be able to sell on demand but thats a tall order for 1 guy.

AT this point he should be hiring a Temp agency or employee to help fulfill orders -- That's the problem with Kickstarter - they want to charge the same kind of retail pricing for items but don't want to use some of that funding to cover the business. He is getting them manufactured in bulk - he should also be prepared to handle the large distribution in a timely manner rather than trying to do it all by himself - that's what Temp agencies are there for. It's not like he hasn't known how many orders are going to need to be filled - he's had plenty of time to get prepared 

[Titchgamer]

Dont get me wrong I would love to see him be able to sell on demand but thats a tall order for 1 guy.

AT this point he should be hiring a Temp agency or employee to help fulfill orders -- That's the problem with Kickstarter - they want to charge the same kind of retail pricing for items but don't want to use some of that funding to cover the business. He is getting them manufactured in bulk - he should also be prepared to handle the large distribution in a timely manner rather than trying to do it all by himself - that's what Temp agencies are there for. It's not like he hasn't known how many orders are going to need to be filled - he's had plenty of time to get prepared 

The bulk of the shipping is being done straight from the factory.
He shipped the first small batch personally in order to gauge the success rate of delivery.

Shipping straight from the factory of course is fine when they are already brought and paid for however for him to have on demand stock he would need to purchase a bulk order upfront and then store them himself in a warehouse or similar.

I believe the current orders are somewhere in the region of 6000?

[KenToad]

If he can't fill orders in a timely manner, then maybe he should form a partnership with someone who can.

[Podbod]

A 2 month wait when backers have had to wait a year+ is nothing really. The risk is that by waiting you're going to be behind a wave of people who were sitting on the fence and are now excited about the product being finished and working.

That said. I'm holding out for an OEM version as I want to stick it in a slide recoil gun.

Pod

[Titchgamer]

A 2 month wait when backers have had to wait a year+ is nothing really. The risk is that by waiting you're going to be behind a wave of people who were sitting on the fence and are now excited about the product being finished and working.

That said. I'm holding out for an OEM version as I want to stick it in a slide recoil gun.

Pod

Exactly,

I have seen many people have said they have jumped on the indiegogo now they have seen its real from a few backers, I suspect as more people get them and put reviews up its only going to get bigger.

By the time the pre-orders finally clear it could be some time heh.

[Podbod]

I also think trying to tell him how he should do it is rather silly. This guy just did what we all wanted and did it all by himself. Its an amazing achievement and I'm sure he knows exactly how he wants to proceed.

[Titchgamer]

I also think trying to tell him how he should do it is rather silly. This guy just did what we all wanted and did it all by himself. Its an amazing achievement and I'm sure he knows exactly how he wants to proceed.

Well yeah hes got it this far, I am sure he has plans

[SammyWI]

Got my lightguns today.  Just under a week (over a holiday weekend) UK to US is not too bad at all.  Didn't have long to try things out but I did get one up and running in Mame.  Had to tweak some things to get it working on the projector.  Even in the basement with no lights or windows I still had to bump up the camera brightness and contrast manually.  It's an old used projector that I may think about upgrading now. 

Quick first impressions: My biggest concern for any lightgun is the accuracy and so for this seems great.  I didn't see any issues moving or changing positions.  But very little time in.  Gun shells: Well I shoot real guns so I'm pretty opinionated here.  Overall, I'd say they are good for a light gun.  But I also think most light gun shells kind of suck.  The grip is fat (too fat) and I don't care for the finger grooves.  The finger grooves I can grind off with Mr. Dremel pretty quick but the size and shape of the grip would be a lot harder to modify.  Luckily it's not so bad that I can't live with it.  The trigger is OK but I do wish it had a distinct click.  The sights are alright, the rear notch could be wider for my taste but fine overall.  The top rail looks OK but I haven't had a chance to try a red dot on it yet.  Other buttons feel good, not awesome but good quality.  The pump is on the small side with a short action but it's smooth and I'm glad he fit it in.  Last item is more of a missed opportunity: I wish he had an attachment point for a rifle stock.  This is a thing in the real gun world these days and all it would have taken is to put a vertical section of rail at the back of the gun shell.  Looks like I'll have to come up with a mod to add a stock on my own.

[exibar]

Hmm not sure about cloned aim traks.
I believe the act labs guns were the same but never owned one so not sure.

LOL.  Act Labs were old school CRT guns.  They worked (and performed) exactly the same as the original old arcade and console guns.  Completely different animal.

   I stlil have a pair of Act-Labs guns :-)  they needed a VGA or S-video box to function :-)   I havne't touched those in years.... there was another brand that used the IR light bar... I'll ahve to dig through the cobwebs to remember the name... it was pretty popular back in the day


Mike B

[Titchgamer]

Got my lightguns today.  Just under a week (over a holiday weekend) UK to US is not too bad at all.  Didn't have long to try things out but I did get one up and running in Mame.  Had to tweak some things to get it working on the projector.  Even in the basement with no lights or windows I still had to bump up the camera brightness and contrast manually.  It's an old used projector that I may think about upgrading now. 

Quick first impressions: My biggest concern for any lightgun is the accuracy and so for this seems great.  I didn't see any issues moving or changing positions.  But very little time in.  Gun shells: Well I shoot real guns so I'm pretty opinionated here.  Overall, I'd say they are good for a light gun.  But I also think most light gun shells kind of suck.  The grip is fat (too fat) and I don't care for the finger grooves.  The finger grooves I can grind off with Mr. Dremel pretty quick but the size and shape of the grip would be a lot harder to modify.  Luckily it's not so bad that I can't live with it.  The trigger is OK but I do wish it had a distinct click.  The sights are alright, the rear notch could be wider for my taste but fine overall.  The top rail looks OK but I haven't had a chance to try a red dot on it yet.  Other buttons feel good, not awesome but good quality.  The pump is on the small side with a short action but it's smooth and I'm glad he fit it in.  Last item is more of a missed opportunity: I wish he had an attachment point for a rifle stock.  This is a thing in the real gun world these days and all it would have taken is to put a vertical section of rail at the back of the gun shell.  Looks like I'll have to come up with a mod to add a stock on my own.

WOW its great they made it over to you so fast!
The stock attachment would be a good idea, Maybe he could get a clip on style attachment made?
Its not something I would use personally but still a cool idea.
As for the other stuff I did a little physical overview and tried the scope off my paintball gun on it which clipped on fine.
I agree about the handle being a little fat, Its just about comfortable for me and my medium hands but think you would struggle with small hands.
Its chunkier than the prototype!

I do seem to remember Andy mentioning something about having to thicken the shell up in places for strength so I would double check before taking a grinder to it heh.

As for the sights I was of the opposite opinion I would of liked a smaller gap but these things of course are personal preference

[Jayinem]

What is the link to the page to order? I only see indiegogo is that the right page?

[Titchgamer]

What is the link to the page to order? I only see indiegogo is that the right page?

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-sinden-lightgun#/

[Jayinem]

I'm considering ordering, but does it have a control panel where you can remap keyboard keys to the gun? I just figured out on my EMS Top Gun 3 how to add coins and start almost every game and I dont have to use anything but my gun.

[Titchgamer]

I'm considering ordering, but does it have a control panel where you can remap keyboard keys to the gun? I just figured out on my EMS Top Gun 3 how to add coins and start almost every game and I dont have to use anything but my gun.

Yup fully customiseable.

[MotownC]

Just ordered two! Since the racing cab is fairly stable, I figured it's time to jump into a completely different genre. Looking forward to upgrading from the trackball to an actual light gun.

[SammyWI]

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I agree about the handle being a little fat, Its just about comfortable for me and my medium hands but think you would struggle with small hands.
Its chunkier than the prototype!

I do seem to remember Andy mentioning something about having to thicken the shell up in places for strength so I would double check before taking a grinder to it heh.
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I wear a size large men's glove so I don't think that's the issue.  I checked the Sinden vs my Glock and front to back they are about even.  Side to side the Sinden is fatter (might be close to the large frame .45 / 10mm Glocks - mine is 9mm).  Also the Glock is more rounded at the corners which makes a big difference in the feel.  A bit funny to me since the Glock is often criticized for having too fat of a grip.

I pulled one apart to check the inside and sure enough the finger grooves (swells? ridges? not sure what to call them) are not solid so I can't just grind them off.  I may try filling with epoxy then grinding but that's a lot more involved than I want to tackle right now.  The trigger switch is very small and soldered to the PCB so no easy way to swap that out for something with a stiffer click. 

I did put a red dot on the rail and that works really well.  Should be even better once I figure out how to add a stock.

Edit:I did order a new projector as well.  Now that I have a light gun that works well, I'm far more motivated to play more.

[KenToad]

That doesn't sound great. What kind of microswitch is it? Does it look like quality parts inside?

[SammyWI]

That doesn't sound great. What kind of microswitch is it? Does it look like quality parts inside?

I'm no electronics expert but something like one of these:
https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/omron-electronics-inc-emc-div/D2F-L-A1/SW843-ND/368468
Quality looked fine but I did not look for a brand or anything.  I was hoping for the larger switches typical in arcade push buttons.  Switch was soldered into the PCB and mounted with two screws.

[pbj]

Well, that's ---smurfing--- dumb.

[Titchgamer]

That doesn't sound great. What kind of microswitch is it? Does it look like quality parts inside?

I'm no electronics expert but something like one of these:
https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/omron-electronics-inc-emc-div/D2F-L-A1/SW843-ND/368468
Quality looked fine but I did not look for a brand or anything.  I was hoping for the larger switches typical in arcade push buttons.  Switch was soldered into the PCB and mounted with two screws.

Yeah I would of liked a arcade style micro in there just so it would of been easier to mod etc.

Still they look and feel like a quality switch and the PCB in general looks well made.

Prob would not be that hard to jerry rig one in but I dont think it would be worth the effort.

I was talking to someone yesterday though about increasing the first stage travel by bending the lever arm a little or notching out the trigger arm a few mm.

Of course these are more opinion related mods not required heh.