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RoToron ロトロン ...with video update...
« on: August 21, 2018, 09:37:23 pm »
Some nine years ago I posted my Retro-Futuristic MAME cabinet project called Astro - http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,88912.msg933239.html#msg933239

It was a curvy very different looking thing with a half spherical top to it and a rotating monitor.  The project went on and on slowly losing momentum, never quite finished. It had issues, some of which I shared here, some of which I didnít.  The thread grew popular and LONG (to many pages) early on I posted almost daily progress with lots of detail of my ways of woodworking, painting and fabricating parts.  I gained a lot of experience and learning along the way, problematically this also meant I became increasingly critical of my own early work as my skills grew.  Circumstance happened to move against me and the project foundered.  So Astro died lying in a corner gathering dust neglected and forgotten.
 
One day I pondered, ďwhat if I could just fix anything and everything that bothered me about this project?" Issues like warping of timbers over many years, cracking of joints, aesthetics and functionality I no longer cared for.
 
Iíve been a fan of retro futurism for years, I also grew up in arcades and around arcade machines in the late 70ís and 80ís.  I was never much of a gamer I just hung out with my friends in these places, I have that nostalgic view of the golden age of arcades because I was there. The future that people in the post war US imagined in the 50ís and 60ís interests me.   Movies like Forbidden Planet, posters, artwork and in particularly advertising from the period.  I wanted to apply that baby boomer vision onto an alternate universe of arcade game design.  A world where arcade games were conceived in the late 50ís right alongside the family television.  What would it look like?  What would promotional flyers and advertising look like?  For this to be fun again the project had to have a strong theme, a (fictional) background and point of conception.  When it was all complete I imagined the machine, the company that manufactures it, advertising brochures and ancillary props like a comic book and collectibles to go with it.  I called the re-born retro-futuristic alternative universe multi-game playing machineÖÖÖ


I have new self- imposed rules for project progress.  Hi realism render posts are not allowed and are for my own design purposes only.
Designs are just CAD style line art shown here:


The coin slot motif also had to be re-fashioned and re-imagined.  Within the Sprocket Rocket sits the Core.  The Core provides the (fictional) power source to RoToron.  I imagined something like Hals eye combined with Iron Manís cold fusion reactor.


Iím currently working on the old husk of the cabinet body. The top spherical shell is in excellent condition due to its tough covering of fibre glass.   The bottom section not so good.  Iíve decided to give the entire bottom section a skin of fibre glass.  Next .... the new shell.
« Last Edit: November 13, 2018, 08:00:12 am by Ond »
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Re: RoToron ロトロン
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2018, 09:50:16 pm »
 :applaud:  :applaud:
Can't wait to see more. Totally understand losing interest on a project that doesn't feel right. At the end of the day you want to stand back and admire your work not have second guesses on what you should have done. Looking forward to the progress Ond.

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« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2018, 12:28:28 am »
Subscribed! haha! This will be another great ride!

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« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2018, 01:11:15 am »
Along for the ride...looking forward to updates..

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« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2018, 07:22:26 am »
Also subscribing.   :cheers:

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« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2018, 07:56:31 am »
Looking forward to enjoying this thread!

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« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2018, 10:19:41 am »
Welcome back!  Looking forward to following this build again.   :cheers:

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« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2018, 11:53:39 am »
Also subbed. Good to see you're back  :cheers:

I'm in awe of the design/build work you did before so looking forwards to seeing more!

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« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2018, 04:38:56 pm »
Iím in on this too. Welcome back! I was away for a while too but you never quite lose the arcade bug.

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« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2018, 06:13:29 pm »
and just like that the standards get raised again.  :cheers:
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« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2018, 07:21:08 pm »
Dude made an Arc-Reactor for his Arcade Machine.  :applaud:
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« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2018, 07:39:28 pm »
Dude made an Arc-Reactor for his Arcade Machine.  :applaud:

Not only that - he goes on to dock it in the pocket of the Sprocket Rocket socket.   :o



This is looking amazing.  How'd you get the rotary indexing so precise in that dremel tool jig?  The slots seem to step around the circumference perfectly. 

I'm looking forward to watching this project take shape, but I don't mean that to be putting pressure on you.  I maintain that you are doing us a favor by sharing your work here, and you don't owe us a thing.  It's an honor to watch your craft in progress.  Thank you for that.   :cheers:

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« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2018, 07:44:00 pm »
Not keen on the name though....

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« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2018, 08:13:18 pm »
and just like that the standards get raised again.  :cheers:

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« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2018, 08:43:19 pm »
Thanks for hopping on board folks, here we go (again). Iíll answer direct build questions as I go.

Over the next few weeks Iíll be working on two main parts of the cab:
1.   The revised coin plate - THE CORE - build.


2.   The lower shell restoration and fibre glass cladding


This project is essentially a restoration with the opportunity to improve on design flaws and some aesthetics. Itís also a way for me to restore much of what was lost from the original project thread but in a more concise way.  Occasionally Iíll show some historic build images for clarity and understanding of the part Iím working on.

What this project is not.  Itís a not a traditional arcade machine DIY build.  For that you can check out my Metropolis project.  Itís an imagined design that might have happened if say the curvy Computer Space cabinet had evolved further instead of companies going the way of mass produced particle board box cabinets which was obviously far more commercially viable.

The original shell was built on a sub frame of hardwood around which plywood was attached covered in Bondo then primed and painted to a fine polished plastic like surface.  The curved plywood under tension began to show lamination ruptures after extremes in the weather over a long period of time. This was ALWAYS going to be an issue.  A very disappointing one, and a key factor in my not finishing the original cab.



Warning:  The following images are not for the faint hearted!  The lower shell has to be stripped of paint and then roughened up with 60 grade sandpaper.  This is so that fibre glass matting and resin will adhere really well to the surface. The outer shell will only be a few millimetres thick but it will be very tough.  It will be a superior surface to apply primer and paint to.


Dude made an Arc-Reactor for his Arcade Machine.  :applaud:

Not only that - he goes on to dock it in the pocket of the Sprocket Rocket socket.   :o


This is looking amazing.  How'd you get the rotary indexing so precise in that dremel tool jig?  The slots seem to step around the circumference perfectly. 

I'm looking forward to watching this project take shape, but I don't mean that to be putting pressure on you.  I maintain that you are doing us a favor by sharing your work here, and you don't owe us a thing.  It's an honor to watch your craft in progress.  Thank you for that.   :cheers:

The Core is composed of a number of different parts.  There is the "eye" which is fashioned from different coloured acrylic plastic and LED lit from behind.  There is the clear acrylic disc which is centre lit by the "arc reactor" LEDS.  I made a tool for engraving this from German construction kit parts.  The secret part is a cog underneath the disc which engages the plastic spring insert.  Turn the disc one notch and engrave to set depth producing the result you see.  The most complex part is the rotating LED disc.  This was made from a cut down PC fan which I then added two slip rings to to allow power to the surface mounted LEDS you see.  The rotating LEDS project onto a thin screen within the unit. The whole thing running is really nice to look at but it is still a work in progress. Stay tuned for more on that.


Not keen on the name though....

Sorry, no apologies for the name, it will have to grow on ya.  8)


« Last Edit: August 22, 2018, 08:46:08 pm by Ond »
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« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2018, 09:03:30 pm »
Warning:  The following images are not for the faint hearted!  The lower shell has to be stripped of paint and then roughened up with 60 grade sandpaper...

Yeah, this is Ond, alright.  He removes better paint jobs than I'll ever achieve. :)

I dig the slip rings for the physically animated light.

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« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2018, 03:08:48 am »
This grinder and I are going to become very well aquainted over the next few weeks.  It will be the tool of choice to cut back to raw rough timber as well as to rough shape fibreglass.  Previously when I worked fibreglass all I had to use was a sanding disc on a drill, fibreglass is way harder than wood but my new friend will cut through it with ease.


Here's the lower cabinet shell just after some work with the grinder.  No trace of paint any more.


Application of fibreglass is messy, difficult and looks ugly as hell.  I'm glad I've got this process going, now I'll just keep at it till it's done.  I use both the rough fibreglass mat and the more supple woven fibreglass cloth (seen here).  The cloth is great for corners and angles so I start with that first.


Here's a flash back to when I constructed the top hemispherical shell in MDF, Aluminium and fibreglass so you can see the process and end result. I'm better at this process now than I was back then  ;D .

Construct frame from form cut ribbing in thin MDF.

Clad with thin aluminium sheet, press curved to form the shape required.

Apply fibreglass - this is matting, which is tricky to bend around corners.

Apply Bondo and then primer coat with lots of wet sanding between coats.

Paint and polish.  Volia!

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« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2018, 07:47:20 am »
The man's an artist!

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« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2018, 07:50:50 am »
Did you hand cut all them ribs,or do you use a cnc  setup?

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« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2018, 07:59:24 am »
That is very nice work. I need to learn how to do the finish work correctly.

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« Reply #20 on: August 24, 2018, 08:10:41 am »
 :notworthy: :dizzy: :drool

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« Reply #21 on: August 24, 2018, 08:52:46 am »
Heh, I had to put something sexy in this thread, damn thing is butt ugly right now.  BTW people my original Retro-Futuristic Mame Cabinet thread is now linked in the first post with some images in that thread (just a few) restored.

Did you hand cut all them ribs,or do you use a cnc  setup?

They are all hand cut. I wish I did have a CNC life would be so much easier.

:notworthy: :dizzy: :drool

What planet are you from?

Planet Zircon buddy ... :cheers:

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« Reply #22 on: August 24, 2018, 09:01:17 am »
If you ever need something CNC'd I might be able to do it for you. My work envelope is 24 inches by 12. The 12 inch axis is pass through, so I can go 24 by a lot more. I am an amateur CNC operator at best. It is not my profession.

I also have a CO2 laser. I have done small jobs for a few forum members.

You have the skill set to cut that stuff by hand, it doesn't mean you always want to. ;D

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« Reply #23 on: August 24, 2018, 09:09:37 am »
If you ever need something CNC'd I might be able to do it for you. My work envelope is 24 inches by 12. The 12 inch axis is pass through, so I can go 24 by a lot more. I am an amateur CNC operator at best. It is not my profession.

I also have a CO2 laser. I have done small jobs for a few forum members.

You have the skill set to cut that stuff by hand, it doesn't mean you always want to. ;D

Thanks for the offer Mike - very generous.  Actually I did have some acrylic cut several years ago by member Selfie.  He specialises in cutting plastic.  This was for my Xenolix bar top project.  During the course of that project I accidentally damaged some of the letters he cut me.  Can you cut Acrylic? There's no way in the world to hand cut those letters.
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« Reply #24 on: August 24, 2018, 09:13:02 am »
Yes I can laser cut acrylic. If you PM me your email address, I can send you some pics of stuff I have done. I can cut and etch acrylic.

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« Reply #25 on: August 24, 2018, 09:13:09 am »
Ond I'm interested in the rib method you've used. Are you using a router to template them. How do you get each one exact. What's maintaining it's form without the aluminium.
Did you go for this method for strength. If it was to be fiberglass you'd think you could form a rough done out of metal and then smooth off to finish with fibreglass..

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« Reply #26 on: August 24, 2018, 09:17:17 am »
Yes I can laser cut acrylic. If you PM me your email address, I can send you some pics of stuff I have done. I can cut and etch acrylic.

No lexan or you will kill Mike :)
   

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« Reply #27 on: August 24, 2018, 09:31:33 am »
Ond I'm interested in the rib method you've used. Are you using a router to template them. How do you get each one exact. What's maintaining it's form without the aluminium.
Did you go for this method for strength. If it was to be fiberglass you'd think you could form a rough done out of metal and then smooth off to finish with fibreglass..

I used a template to cut each rib with my router using a flush trim bit.  In fact I use this method for any form cutting of MDF such as the sprocket rocket at the start of this thread.  They are interlocked with rebates on each rib and glued with MDF glue - very strong once the glue is dry. The thin aluminium was an excellent material to use because it can be slightly shaped as each section is applied (screwed on) making a good lightweight spherical shape and forming a good base for the much stronger fibreglass.   :cheers:

Yes I can laser cut acrylic. If you PM me your email address, I can send you some pics of stuff I have done. I can cut and etch acrylic.

No lexan or you will kill Mike :)

Heh, no it's semi opaque Acrylic I need cut.  rablack97 my man, you have become an excellent and impressive builder good to see you still here.  :cheers:
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« Reply #28 on: August 24, 2018, 09:46:04 am »
Good to see you back at it sir,....needed some stability around here.

Thanks for the compliment, i try, been taking a break, gonna start up another one soon.

Probably get some more ideas watching this thread :cheers:
   

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« Reply #29 on: August 24, 2018, 02:19:15 pm »
woah woah woah.. what the hell is happening here? This looks amazing. :applaud:

I love threads that captivate me but make me realize how bad I  :censored: suck at everything.



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« Reply #30 on: August 24, 2018, 02:25:51 pm »
Clad with thin aluminium sheet, press curved to form the shape required.

While everyone is ogling at the craftsmanship... I'm still trying to figure out how this pic was taken...
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« Reply #31 on: August 24, 2018, 02:38:57 pm »
camera on a tripod with time delay?
   

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« Reply #32 on: August 24, 2018, 05:06:04 pm »
camera on a tripod with time delay?

Nope, I think that Ond is a Cyborg Arcade Machine builder who has been sent to us from the future to show us how things should be done. So he just winked once and his right eye took a photo which he then uploaded using his Thumb drive, Literally his Thumb :)

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« Reply #33 on: August 24, 2018, 06:09:15 pm »
I'm glad you're back to expand the minds of these noobs. and I mean noobs in the most affectionate way possible.

Also, the name is fine. Better than putting something-cade on it. Cade, cade, cade...retro, classic, cade, cade, cade. pancade, with added syrup and butter.  That should be the name of this. That, or Usual Suspects-cade...I'm sure DrakeT would approve.

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« Reply #34 on: August 24, 2018, 06:54:32 pm »
Can't believe this was nine years ago. I have lurked a long time but did not realize it had been this long. You were working on the original when I first read the book and started checking out the forum. Your projects were some of the reasons I wanted to build my own. Followed your entire Metropolis design. Can't wait to see you rework this one. Subscribed. 

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« Reply #35 on: August 24, 2018, 07:16:41 pm »
camera on a tripod with time delay?

Nope, I think that Ond is a Cyborg Arcade Machine builder who has been sent to us from the future to show us how things should be done. So he just winked once and his right eye took a photo which he then uploaded using his Thumb drive, Literally his Thumb :)

Wrong, those hands are from the cyborg Ond created to help him build Arcade Machines.
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« Reply #36 on: August 24, 2018, 07:40:26 pm »
OK I will just say it.... Jennifer is not a fan of that coin door, it seems like it tries too hard to compete with the simplistic beauty of the rest of the cab, and think it looks better without it, However the concept is cool, and still could be incorporated utilizing holograms, mirror projection, lazers or possibly even leds (the last 2 would most likely be a diffuser type setup) IMO.... The cab, OMG thought I would never see that thing again, so reminiscent of my days at classic roadster, design concepts in glass OMG!.... As A 1 off, that is an impressive build to be sure, as a plug it would be a 2 part mold with replication in mind (A lesson learned the really hard way) But ultimately you could spray the mold out with Gelcoat, (like a boat) and not useing paint at all and make as many as you wanted....Glad to see you back friend. ;D   

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« Reply #37 on: August 24, 2018, 09:15:47 pm »
I'm glad you're back to expand the minds of these noobs. and I mean noobs in the most affectionate way possible.

Also, the name is fine. Better than putting something-cade on it. Cade, cade, cade...retro, classic, cade, cade, cade. pancade, with added syrup and butter.  That should be the name of this. That, or Usual Suspects-cade...I'm sure DrakeT would approve.

Much affection for NOOBS here too.  :)  RoToron is a complete creative package.  The name reflects the rotation aspect of the cab (duh) but itís also meant to be fun.  Something a kid would remember, something you can make a jingle around etc.  opt2not is spot on with the whole ďcadeĒ thing.  That name is just plain worn out.  In Ondís alternate universe the Retro-Future envisioned in the 50s came true. The Jetsons is a reality TV show not a cartoon, in fact itís called ďKeeping Up With The JetsonsĒ and has Margo Robbie in it as Judy Jetson.  Am I getting through here?
Here is a sneak peek at the boot-up logo of RoToron which is animated.  I was nearly tempted to share the boot sequence but that would be a mistake at this early stage.


Can't believe this was nine years ago. I have lurked a long time but did not realize it had been this long. You were working on the original when I first read the book and started checking out the forum. Your projects were some of the reasons I wanted to build my own. Followed your entire Metropolis design. Can't wait to see you rework this one. Subscribed. 

Thanks for the kind words mate, knowing I've had something to do with your enjoyment of the hobby is awesome indeed.

OK I will just say it.... Jennifer is not a fan of that coin door, it seems like it tries too hard to compete with the simplistic beauty of the rest of the cab, and think it looks better without it, However the concept is cool, and still could be incorporated utilizing holograms, mirror projection, lazers or possibly even leds (the last 2 would most likely be a diffuser type setup) IMO.... The cab, OMG thought I would never see that thing again, so reminiscent of my days at classic roadster, design concepts in glass OMG!.... As A 1 off, that is an impressive build to be sure, as a plug it would be a 2 part mold with replication in mind (A lesson learned the really hard way) But ultimately you could spray the mold out with Gelcoat, (like a boat) and not useing paint at all and make as many as you wanted....Glad to see you back friend. ;D   

Honesty appreciated Jenn, you haven't seen it complete yet or switched on.  I bet I can change your mind.  >:D
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Re: RoToron ロトロン
« Reply #38 on: August 24, 2018, 09:23:04 pm »
I like the logo. But all you'll hear is "Roloron" what does that mean??

Are you sticking with the red colour theme??

You lot may well be sick of seeing the "cade" name but everybody who has ever seen my cab didn't even know the hobbie existed, hence the name is cool in there eyes...
And as most of our machines will hopefully out last us as I doubt my kids would ever want to part with it as dad built it.  That's why I build my cabs for the end users, no keyboard or instructions needed..

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Re: RoToron ロトロン
« Reply #39 on: August 24, 2018, 09:29:06 pm »
I like the logo. But all you'll hear is "RoToron" what does that mean??

Are you sticking with the red colour theme??

You lot may well be sick of seeing the "cade" name but everybody who has ever seen my cab didn't even know the hobbie existed, hence the name is cool in there eyes...
And as most of our machines will hopefully out last us as I doubt my kids would ever want to part with it as dad built it.  That's why I build my cabs for the end users, no keyboard or instructions needed..

FTFY.  I think the name will explain itself when the boot-up sequence is revealed.  Nope Red and Chrome theme is gone.
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