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Project Spectrum [finally woodworking phase]
« on: July 01, 2018, 04:30:02 am »
I started with some cabinet made of scaffolding wood, but that just didn't feel "authentic" enough. Than, after some good advice, I made my "own" cabinet design in Sketchup, based on the Galaga cabinet, but adjusted to become more slim. The theme back then was The Dutch, but that was just too... eehm... orange.
I am still going with that design though, but decided on some retro side-art and eventually some more quality stuff (controls, etc.).


Cabinet design:



I asked a former colleague (art director at my former job) to design some retro art and it turned out pretty well (I did the button layout on the control panel myself):

Marquee (not decided on the name of the cabinet yet):



Control panel (one service button that works as a shift button and two player buttons):



Side art and kick panel:



I have printed the side panels on A3 paper and taped it together so I could stencil it on MDF. Now I have to start with the real woodwork (everything is cut to measure though, except the side panels).
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Re: Project No Name Yet [designing phase]
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2018, 08:04:38 am »
I like your cabinet design. I like your artwork. Nice!

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Re: Project No Name Yet [designing phase]
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2018, 09:25:37 am »
I like the slimmed down profile.  I have a friend who has been bugging me to build him a mame cab and your design would fit the bill nicely.  For him I would probably order up galaga artwork for CP, bezel, marquee and coin door panel - did you keep all those dimensions and just slim down the depth?

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Re: Project No Name Yet [designing phase]
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2018, 10:27:30 am »
I was just thinking there weren't enough Galaga themed cabinets. I am so glad another one is in the works.

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« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2018, 10:48:19 am »
If I read this correctly, the color bars from the CP overhang and the front plate will be kinda disconnected, vertical bars from the CP will sit on horizontal bars from the kickplate. I would connect those bars like shown on the right.



Maybe you could connect them using arcs, so that it doesn't look so blocky.

I also would change the bars in the marquee so that they connect to those of the CP.

                  

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Re: Project No Name Yet [designing phase]
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2018, 11:25:26 am »
I like your cabinet design. I like your artwork. Nice!
Thanks!

I like the slimmed down profile.  I have a friend who has been bugging me to build him a mame cab and your design would fit the bill nicely.  For him I would probably order up galaga artwork for CP, bezel, marquee and coin door panel - did you keep all those dimensions and just slim down the depth?
The front is almost the same, the top back is a bit more curved. If you like I can provide the AI and/or SKP files.

If I read this correctly, the color bars from the CP overhang and the front plate will be kinda disconnected, vertical bars from the CP will sit on horizontal bars from the kickplate. I would connect those bars like shown on the right.

Maybe you could connect them using arcs, so that it doesn't look so blocky.

I also would change the bars in the marquee so that they connect to those of the CP.

I realised that as well, but wanted to see it rendered in Sketchup before I do some big changes. Unfortunately I am running the free version of Sketchup at the moment that doesn't import textures. Might download some "test-version" later.
I don't think I like the alternative though, so that would mean changing the art quite drastically or the cabinet design maybe (so the overhang will be bigger).

---edit---
Might do something like this maybe:



That way the control panel stripes and the stripes that go over the kick plate won't be connected...
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Re: Project No Name Yet [designing phase]
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2018, 01:09:23 pm »


That way the control panel stripes and the stripes that go over the kick plate won't be connected...

That would still leave the CP overhang bars kinda hanging in the air. Maybe you could give them a rounded end?

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Re: Project No Name Yet [designing phase]
« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2018, 01:20:20 pm »
Just reinstalled my laptop. Hopefully I can try Sketchup Pro for 30 days again...

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Re: Project No Name Yet [designing phase]
« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2018, 03:00:26 pm »
Having a hard time scaling and positioning the textures, but it gives an ok view:





I think it looks ok. Especially from all angles.  The marquee is just a different part and I like it diagonal there better. The control panel stripes seem hanging loose a bit, but I think its ok. Rounding it off just doesn't feel right.

Opinions?
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Re: Project No Name Yet [designing phase]
« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2018, 04:15:22 pm »
Looks good
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Re: Project No Name Yet [designing phase]
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2018, 04:26:18 pm »
I like it.  Good shape and proportions.

I think I'd try dropping the bottom-most quarter rainbows off the sides.  I think the big upper stripe is doing everything that needs done, there.

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Re: Project No Name Yet [designing phase]
« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2018, 08:51:09 pm »
Looks really good.  I agree - I would drop the bottom rainbow. 

The black coin door will look great there!

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Re: Project No Name Yet [designing phase]
« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2018, 01:50:50 am »
Then it would become something like this.



I do agree this looks good as well, but maybe a bit "boring"?

---edit---

Have to decide on the color for t-molding and controls still. I currently have white, but I guess that's more white than the white yellowish in the art. So as the arcs have black in it, that might look nice.

Comparison:

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Re: Project No Name Yet [designing phase]
« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2018, 01:23:19 pm »
Very classy design.

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Re: Project No Name Yet [designing phase]
« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2018, 01:39:46 pm »
Just ordered the artwork, without the bottom arc. Just didn't decide on the name yet, so I didn't order the marquee.

So for a name... ARC-cade is applicable, yet cheesy. Just Arcade does the job as well. But I would like something more original. Will stay thinking for a while. But if someone has any ideas, feel free.

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Re: Project No Name Yet [designing phase]
« Reply #15 on: July 03, 2018, 12:04:50 am »
Nice clean looking cabinet, the moment I saw the graphics I instantly thought of Sinclair spectrum, 8bit computer back in the 80s has a very similar rainbow stripe for its logo -

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZX_Spectrum

Sinclair zx spectrum is too long a name so how about "spectrum" (minus the speech marks) ?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/dictionary.cambridge.org/amp/english/spectrum
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Re: Project No Name Yet [designing phase]
« Reply #16 on: July 03, 2018, 07:09:48 am »
Nice clean looking cabinet, the moment I saw the graphics I instantly thought of Sinclair spectrum, 8bit computer back in the 80s has a very similar rainbow stripe for its logo -

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZX_Spectrum

Sinclair zx spectrum is too long a name so how about "spectrum" (minus the speech marks) ?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/dictionary.cambridge.org/amp/english/spectrum
Spectrum sounds actually nice. Will consider this for sure! :)

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Re: Project Spectrum? [finally woodworking phase]
« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2018, 03:01:14 pm »
Finally started woodworking. Took me some time to finally pick up the router and jig saw, but I began. After quite some saw dust I managed to do an ok side.



Hopefully tomorrow I will do the other side (if the flush trim bit I ordered fits my new router). The rest of the wood should already be mostly cut to size already.

Should T-molding be all around actually? So also bottom and backside?

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Re: Project Spectrum? [finally woodworking phase]
« Reply #18 on: August 22, 2018, 04:21:58 pm »
Should T-molding be all around actually? So also bottom and backside?

I've seen it done multiple ways barry.  The most common is where it is wrapped around the entire perimeter of the side and ends at the bottom.  Whether it meets in the center or not.  Stapling is also an option at the bottom.

Look at this video @ 56:20 to see what I mean.  One staple on either side of the t molding is enough.  This guy got a little out of hand.  He did not meet his ends together but I've seen it both ways.  Meeting and not meeting.
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Re: Project Spectrum? [finally woodworking phase]
« Reply #19 on: August 22, 2018, 05:02:49 pm »
Finally started woodworking. Took me some time to finally pick up the router and jig saw, but I began. After quite some saw dust I managed to do an ok side.



Hopefully tomorrow I will do the other side (if the flush trim bit I ordered fits my new router). The rest of the wood should already be mostly cut to size already.

Should T-molding be all around actually? So also bottom and backside?

Do it all the way around - itíll protect the bottom of the plywood from snagging and splintering.
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Re: Project Spectrum? [finally woodworking phase]
« Reply #20 on: August 23, 2018, 02:01:48 am »
Looks like he used MDF not plywood ;) either way it should protect the ends, on my last 2 bartops i used chrome trim all the way round.

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Re: Project Spectrum? [finally woodworking phase]
« Reply #21 on: August 23, 2018, 05:16:55 am »
Thanks guys. I already noticed the hard way that MDF isn't really forgiving when it hits a wall or something. Luckily it was the uncut side panel that got a quite deep bump (but I can cut that off).
T-molding all around it is. Will have to buy me some new T-molding probably then as I don't think I have enough. But at least I can then change colors still!  ;D

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Re: Project Spectrum? [finally woodworking phase]
« Reply #22 on: August 23, 2018, 12:50:53 pm »
And we have the next side panel. Including the t-molding slot... all around. The slot is a tad too wide (2mm), so the t-molding is peeled out easily. So I will glue that later on...


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« Reply #23 on: August 23, 2018, 01:56:52 pm »
Looks like he used MDF not plywood ;) either way it should protect the ends, on my last 2 bartops i used chrome trim all the way round.

Yes, but the same thought process still applies. Iíve seen tons of cab bottoms get torn up without that protection.
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Re: Project Spectrum [finally woodworking phase]
« Reply #24 on: September 13, 2018, 03:48:40 pm »
And I made a bit more progress. The base is standing. And from now it should go quite (relatively) fast...







I was actually quite amazed by how wide it looks. I hope I can get it downstairs when finally assembled (it's in the attic now). Or maybe I should assemble the whole downstairs... Control panel is a bit more than 25 inches wide (+ 2x 3/4 inch).
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Re: Project Spectrum [finally woodworking phase]
« Reply #25 on: September 13, 2018, 04:10:58 pm »
Most interior doors are 28-30" wide so you should be OK but I'd do a bit of measuring just to be safe.  Love the design and the art on this one.   :cheers:

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Re: Project Spectrum [finally woodworking phase]
« Reply #26 on: September 13, 2018, 04:15:11 pm »
Thanks!

The problem isn't exactly the doors, but more the stairs. I couldn't even get a small IKEA bank up the stairs because of the turn it makes. Might have to make a cardboard version just to test if we can get it downstairs  ;D

Or just not glue the whole...

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Re: Project Spectrum [finally woodworking phase]
« Reply #27 on: September 13, 2018, 04:18:48 pm »
haha - my house is like that too.  I cannot get a king size bed to the master bedroom.  It will not make the 180 degree turn going up the stairs.

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Re: Project Spectrum [finally woodworking phase]
« Reply #28 on: September 14, 2018, 12:24:04 am »
Looking good so far, nice name for your project  ;D

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Re: Project Spectrum [finally woodworking phase]
« Reply #29 on: September 14, 2018, 05:34:06 am »
Looking good so far, nice name for your project  ;D
Haha thanks for your suggestion ;D

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Re: Project Spectrum [finally woodworking phase]
« Reply #30 on: September 16, 2018, 06:30:00 am »
I am in the process of placing the control panel at a small angle. Just wondering if it's too steep?





I'm not good at guessing the angle, so I won't even try.

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« Reply #31 on: September 16, 2018, 11:11:58 am »
the angle looks ok to me, my bartop control panels are 10 degrees, maybe yours is 15 degrees, did you do a test angle below you glued it in ?

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Re: Project Spectrum [finally woodworking phase]
« Reply #32 on: September 17, 2018, 04:02:08 am »
I guess it feels ok. But unfortunately I forgot to route a space for the joysticks. I did have spare wood for a new control panel, so I routed that. But I guess the height setting of the router changed (too loose?) and P2 was routed to approx 1-2 mm mdf left.

So now I can do three things.

  • Fill up the P2 a bit. (will it be strong enough?)
  • Get longer shafts for the servo-stiks. (longer throw, would I dislike that?)
  • Get new wood and try again. (won't fit as nice as the current panels probably)

What would you guys do?
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« Reply #33 on: September 17, 2018, 04:06:43 am »
Why do you question the fit if you start over with a new panel?

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Re: Project Spectrum [finally woodworking phase]
« Reply #34 on: September 17, 2018, 04:09:42 am »
All the wood was cut at the same time, so the settings of the saw would have been exactly the same for the width of the cabinet probably. I'm afraid that when I order new wood (or cut it myself) it could be off a mm or so (don't have the best experience with wood ordered to size).

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« Reply #35 on: September 17, 2018, 04:12:25 am »
Just make sure you slightly oversize it. You can sand it down to the correct size.

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« Reply #36 on: September 17, 2018, 04:15:16 am »
Good advice! Thanks!

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Re: Project Spectrum [finally woodworking phase]
« Reply #37 on: September 17, 2018, 08:10:28 am »
what type of router do you have a full sized one plunge type or a trimmer ?

bought a trimmer like the one below a couple of years ago, so much easier to use and smaller, can be used one handed if you feel safe enough and have the grip strength :)

 
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/KATSU-3-8-1-4-Electric-Hand-Trimmer-Wood-Laminator-Router-Joiners-Tool-220V/281944547910?
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before someone chimes in it's a knock off of a well known brand that begins with M but at a quarter of  the price, maybe not for trade use but perfectly fine for the home diy'er.

how thick is the panel, maybe you don't have to route if the joysticks are long enough ?

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Re: Project Spectrum [finally woodworking phase]
« Reply #38 on: September 17, 2018, 12:44:53 pm »
what type of router do you have a full sized one plunge type or a trimmer ?

bought a trimmer like the one below a couple of years ago, so much easier to use and smaller, can be used one handed if you feel safe enough and have the grip strength :)

 
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/KATSU-3-8-1-4-Electric-Hand-Trimmer-Wood-Laminator-Router-Joiners-Tool-220V/281944547910?
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before someone chimes in it's a knock off of a well known brand that begins with M but at a quarter of  the price, maybe not for trade use but perfectly fine for the home diy'er.

how thick is the panel, maybe you don't have to route if the joysticks are long enough ?
It's a Bosch plunge router. It works quite well, but I guess I pressed too hard so it went through the depth setting, leaving just 1-2 mm of board.

The panel is 18 mm (3/4"), so I believe without the longer shafts it won't work that well.

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Re: Project Spectrum [finally woodworking phase]
« Reply #39 on: September 18, 2018, 03:09:19 am »
I did exactly the same thing with my bartop.  What I did to fix was get a couple of pieces of hardboard, cut them to size to fit the routed out square, glued the crap out of them used some clamps to hold tightly, waited a day for glue to set and then redrilled the joystick hole.  I undermounted with inserts and had no problems at all. 
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Re: Project Spectrum [finally woodworking phase]
« Reply #40 on: September 18, 2018, 03:58:33 am »
I did exactly the same thing with my bartop.  What I did to fix was get a couple of pieces of hardboard, cut them to size to fit the routed out square, glued the crap out of them used some clamps to hold tightly, waited a day for glue to set and then redrilled the joystick hole.  I undermounted with inserts and had no problems at all. 

Thanks, I will try that later. I am also considering getting 12mm plywood for the control panel. No need to route then.

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« Reply #41 on: September 18, 2018, 06:04:28 am »
I would suggest cutting a new CP. You need to learn the quirks of your particular router. That way you won't have the same problem on future projects. Consider it router training.

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Re: Project Spectrum [finally woodworking phase]
« Reply #42 on: September 18, 2018, 06:32:36 am »
I would suggest cutting a new CP. You need to learn the quirks of your particular router. That way you won't have the same problem on future projects. Consider it router training.
You would advice against a 12mm panel? I thought some people recommend using 12mm (1/2") plywood?

And yes I should practise with my router a bit more. But I have quite some things to do where I can practise...

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« Reply #43 on: September 18, 2018, 06:47:03 am »
I don't advise against it. It will work fine. I just take every opportunity to use my routers. They can be ornery beasts. The more you use them the better off you are.

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« Reply #44 on: September 18, 2018, 07:11:03 am »
If you have the opportunity to use cabinet grade plywood for your CP - I recommend that over 1/2" MDF.   It will be much stiffer.  You won't find it at a box store however..  I woodworking supply store (like Woodcraft) will have a selection.  Nice design and nice Sketchup work! 
The free version of Sketchup should still be out there. Are you using Pro features?
FWIW:  My CP is 5 deg down. 
If you can - don't finalize your angle until you test a little bit.  I did a mockup of my setup on the bench and experimented quite a while to get something comfortable.
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Re: Project Spectrum [finally woodworking phase]
« Reply #45 on: September 18, 2018, 07:34:52 am »
Woodcraft is a great store. I took a woodworking class at a Woodcraft store a couple of years ago.

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« Reply #46 on: September 18, 2018, 07:37:59 am »
I worked at one (part time) for ~7 years..  Spent way more on tools than I ever made there...  Really a great place and the people know the products.
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Re: Project Spectrum [finally woodworking phase]
« Reply #47 on: September 18, 2018, 09:18:08 am »
If you have the opportunity to use cabinet grade plywood for your CP - I recommend that over 1/2" MDF.   It will be much stiffer.  You won't find it at a box store however..  I woodworking supply store (like Woodcraft) will have a selection.  Nice design and nice Sketchup work! 
The free version of Sketchup should still be out there. Are you using Pro features?
FWIW:  My CP is 5 deg down. 
If you can - don't finalize your angle until you test a little bit.  I did a mockup of my setup on the bench and experimented quite a while to get something comfortable.
Following ;)
Yup, I was planning on plywood for the control panel (currently it's MDF). I'm in the Netherlands and we have some options to order (custom cut) board in all kinds of quality.

I used the free (online) version of Sketchup. Then when I needed the Pro features (such as textures) I downloaded the free trial of Pro (30 days fully functional). If I need it again I can always re-install my laptop to start a new trial. I don't use it that much to justify Ä600 for a standalone license.

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Re: Project Spectrum [finally woodworking phase]
« Reply #48 on: September 29, 2018, 11:23:37 am »
Slowly I am making progress...





I lifted the cabinet about 3cm from the ground as I want to place wheels in the back like in this build: http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,141846.msg1468043.html#msg1468043 and to make some room for of course some shabby led strip on the bottom.
Now on to the harder part: placing the monitor in such a way I have just enough room for the glass I'll have to order. And the positioning of the controls...

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« Reply #49 on: September 29, 2018, 12:10:02 pm »
I just started my build based on your cabinet. I did some streetfight side art for it. Drew some inspiration from another street fighter build here.

 I screwed up one side cut though and had to wait till this weekend to go pick up another sheet of mdf but it hasn't stopped raining. MDF and water don't go well together lol. I should be able to salvage some of the other sheet I messed up my cut on for other parts. Pretty excited I'm gong to have a full size cab now. I was going to destroy my bartop but maybe post a listing locally if anyone wants a bartop shell. I'd hate to destroy it.

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Re: Project Spectrum [finally woodworking phase]
« Reply #50 on: September 29, 2018, 12:20:31 pm »
I just started my build based on your cabinet. I did some streetfight side art for it. Drew some inspiration from another street fighter build here.

 I screwed up one side cut though and had to wait till this weekend to go pick up another sheet of mdf but it hasn't stopped raining. MDF and water don't go well together lol. I should be able to salvage some of the other sheet I messed up my cut on for other parts. Pretty excited I'm gong to have a full size cab now. I was going to destroy my bartop but maybe post a listing locally if anyone wants a bartop shell. I'd hate to destroy it.

I'm really looking forward to your progress. I hope you'll be a bit faster than I.

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« Reply #51 on: September 29, 2018, 12:54:36 pm »
I just started my build based on your cabinet. I did some streetfight side art for it. Drew some inspiration from another street fighter build here.

 I screwed up one side cut though and had to wait till this weekend to go pick up another sheet of mdf but it hasn't stopped raining. MDF and water don't go well together lol. I should be able to salvage some of the other sheet I messed up my cut on for other parts. Pretty excited I'm gong to have a full size cab now. I was going to destroy my bartop but maybe post a listing locally if anyone wants a bartop shell. I'd hate to destroy it.

I'm really looking forward to your progress. I hope you'll be a bit faster than I.

I need to since wife uses garage to park her car in and have another car in other side so doesn't leave much space to store it between builds. So need to get cabinet done fast, sand, prime and move in doors and put in the guts from the bartop. Hope this weekend I can get pretty far since after the side I messed up is the harder part..the rest is just square cuts. Hope to get all parts cut today and start assembling tomorrow. Want to put wheels too.  I have some that go in back so you can tilt back cabinet and roll it. Not sure if I'll use those though.

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Re: Project Spectrum [finally woodworking phase]
« Reply #52 on: October 06, 2018, 07:02:04 am »
And we added the screen. Took me more work than expected, but managed to use some plate the screen clicks in that was in the stand.



All that's left:
  • Add the coin door.
  • Fix a corner where I routed away too much wood.
  • Find a way to properly fasten the control panel, but as almost the whole back can be removed I might as well just permanently fix the control panel.
  • Ground and paint.
  • Apply the art.
  • Order and fix the marquee + leds.
  • Get all the electronics in.
  • Create a theme for whatever I will be using as frontend, based on the art.

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Re: Project Spectrum [finally woodworking phase]
« Reply #53 on: October 06, 2018, 11:47:00 am »
I'm hoping to get mine done so I can sand, prime and paint to get it ready for the art too. I still need to get a coin door though. :-( Going to go pick up primer and black paint today and have it ready. I'm going to make a slight change in your design to the top marquee, speaker and bezel.

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Re: Project Spectrum [finally woodworking phase]
« Reply #54 on: October 07, 2018, 02:27:50 pm »
In the end I made some changes as well. Just make it to your own likings!

  
 

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