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Slim MVS4 with active Marquee.
« on: June 12, 2018, 03:42:58 am »
Putting this here now although may be a few weeks before any wood gets cut. (Got a few things to finish off in garden first). I Will be looking for Opinionions/recommendations on this one.

I've had a Bartop for a few years now, but it just doesn't get the love it should do.  Because of this I am going to sell the bartop and start again with a full size unit.  For this build I have decided to go with Jakobuds MVS4 plans but I will be adding another row of buttons giving the standard streetfighter layout with extra button.  I also plan to take about 10" off the back of the unit,  I will keep the general shape so the only difference will be the height of the vertical piece at back.

The plan is building from ply or similar and then laminating.  (Any recommendations for close match to Neo Geo Red available in the UK?)

To make an active marquee I am going to use a 25" Widescreen and for the main screen area I wanted to be able to play both horizontal and vertical games as close to original sizing as possible, to do this I am planning on using  a 43" 4k screen mounted vertically (Approx 1/2 screen should be visible), This will then require custom resolutions and layouts creating which may take some time.  (Any recommendations on what Video card/software is capable of doing this kind of thing easily)

As for art,  I think I will just go with the standard NeoGeo MVS transfers resized a bit due to the machine being on the adkins diet, and also use the standard control panel art with relevant modifications for credit buttons and the like.

Ideally I would like to install a coindoor for the aesthetics (Anyone got any good links for UK suppliers?).

I'll add some images and stuff later, gotta go to work now  :hissy: :hissy:


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Re: Slim MVS4 with active Marquee.
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2018, 10:18:38 am »
I don't see the benefit of using a 4K display unless you have an extra one in a box collecting dust.  A 1080p display will work fine with nearly identical results.

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Re: Slim MVS4 with active Marquee.
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2018, 05:41:27 pm »
The price difference between non 4k and 4k is negligible and it should allow many more options for resolutions.  I'm hoping to get a viewable area about 2000x2160 (So can still have full HD displayed in the visible area)  If I use a standard full HD I would be looking at about 1000 x 1080, Which is fine for most emulators and stuff but not so good for music videos (Although to be honest I could always display those on the Marquee monitor :) See attached modified Jakobud plans, may be a tiny bit off but should be good enough.

Green is 24" Monitor from work, without stand is 13" High,  Black underneath will be speaker location
Red is 43" Screen (Will purchase) Looking at the sight lines I should have approx 22x22" visable screen area (Maybe a touch more).

« Last Edit: June 12, 2018, 06:35:21 pm by Drnick »

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Re: Slim MVS4 with active Marquee.
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2018, 06:57:19 pm »
OK I have been looking into Laminating options,  I don't have a legit Neo-geo so can't compare, but looking around the Fire red seems to be a fairly good match.  I have found a company in the UK that can supply Blaze red as follows.  If anyone thinks one of the other options would be better let me know.

Red = https://www.morland-uk.com/shop/shop-fit-out/laminate-sheets/formica-hpl-laminate-sheet-f2824-blazered.html?___SID=U

And now for one of those Opinionion moments,  Should I use Textured or untextured for the black?
Textured Black = https://www.morland-uk.com/shop/shop-fit-out/laminate-sheets/morland-hpl-laminate-sheet-black104.html?___SID=U
Matt Black = https://www.morland-uk.com/shop/shop-fit-out/laminate-sheets/formica-hpl-laminate-sheet-f2253-diamondblack.html

Alternatively should I use osb/mdf bonded board and then paint.  Personally I like the Idea of Laminating but get the feeling if I cock it up then it will get pretty expensive pretty fast :)

For speakers I have a spare set of Logitech X530's I figure I should be able to fit them underneath the monitor firing out front,  I will then have the centre speaker behind the monitor firing down and the 2 rear speakers can be located left and right of the centre pedestal area.  I'll have to remove the circuit board from the front speaker and wire that in elsewhere so I can still have access to headphone options and volume control.  I do have a spare logitech zx5400 set but A) the speakers are too large to fit in the available space, and B) I don't need 310W of power in an arcade machine,  not even if that machine was Guitar hero or Dance Dance :) :) :)
« Last Edit: June 12, 2018, 07:35:41 pm by Drnick »

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Re: Slim MVS4 with active Marquee.
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2018, 07:36:11 pm »
Coindoor,  looking into coindoors and can't really find anything readily available in the UK, I have though found the following

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Universal-Arcade-Machine-Cabinet-Door-2-Coin-Slot-Comparison-Mech-MAME-JAMMA/362343865733?hash=item545d609d85:g:QKgAAOSwNNVbF6Eh
I can then hang one of these underneath
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Arcade-Game-Metal-Coin-Door-Access-For-Coin-Acceptor-Doll-Machines-Accessories/202336748172?hash=item2f1c35c28c:g:MEQAAOSwfp9bGrnj

Alternatively I could get a panel made up and use 2 of these but it would cost more and require a custom panel to be made so definitely leaning towards click and forget :)

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Front-Plate-Assembly-With-Cradle-For-3-5-Arcade-Coin-Mechanisms/371961635110?hash=item569aa42126:g:DWgAAOSwjjpa9EYw

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Re: Slim MVS4 with active Marquee.
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2018, 11:24:30 am »
Nice thread.

I would have gone with the matte black, to match the matte red.

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Re: Slim MVS4 with active Marquee.
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2018, 05:01:24 pm »
Yep the more I look at it the more I think Matte all round will be the best choice.

I figure that building this machine would be possible using a straight edge and a skill saw, both of which I already have, But I can see a few places where I am going to need to make some interesting cuts on angles so I have decided that I may as well add to the tool kit and have purchased the following.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01LYDELEC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Having looked at reviews for pretty much every table saw under 200 and coming to the conclusion that they were all going to be a little bit rubbish I moved up to the under 300 and the above came out a clear winner for the hobbiest.   I feel that it is a fair investment as I do have to make some storage for an upstairs bedroom which will have all sorts of weird angles involved.

I already have 2 Routers,  a jigsaw,  2 skillsaws,  a 210mm Sliding Mitre saw,  more drills and bits then I can shake a stick at, a portable Drill press and I even have some 900mm clamps so I think that's all the tools I will need. (Actually scratch that, I really need to get/make a router table). I have access to an A0 plotter at work so should be able to print out the sides to full size.

Controls,

I want the controls to be mostly authentic to the style of the machine, Looks like either competitions, ultimates or IL Eurostyle, I am currently favouring the IL

https://www.arcadeworlduk.com/products/il-eurostyle-joystick-with-cherry-microswitches.html

Buttons will be standard colour layout with BCD on both top and bottom rows, I will have an additional button on control panel for exit thus having 4 instead of standard 3.

https://www.arcadeworlduk.com/products/white-il-concave-arcade-start-button.html
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Re: Slim MVS4 with active Marquee.
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2018, 05:27:44 pm »

Join  UKVAC and ask if anyone has them spare or at least know where to get them
http://www.ukvac.com/forum/forums.html

Coindoor,  looking into coindoors and can't really find anything readily available in the UK, I have though found the following

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Universal-Arcade-Machine-Cabinet-Door-2-Coin-Slot-Comparison-Mech-MAME-JAMMA/362343865733?hash=item545d609d85:g:QKgAAOSwNNVbF6Eh
I can then hang one of these underneath
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Arcade-Game-Metal-Coin-Door-Access-For-Coin-Acceptor-Doll-Machines-Accessories/202336748172?hash=item2f1c35c28c:g:MEQAAOSwfp9bGrnj

Alternatively I could get a panel made up and use 2 of these but it would cost more and require a custom panel to be made so definitely leaning towards click and forget :)

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Front-Plate-Assembly-With-Cradle-For-3-5-Arcade-Coin-Mechanisms/371961635110?hash=item569aa42126:g:DWgAAOSwjjpa9EYw

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Re: Slim MVS4 with active Marquee.
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2018, 09:19:42 pm »
This looks like it is going to be sick.  Very cool idea with the monitor to get a larger 4:3 screen!   :cheers:

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Re: Slim MVS4 with active Marquee.
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2018, 12:33:26 pm »
This looks like it is going to be sick.  Very cool idea with the monitor to get a larger 4:3 screen!   :cheers:

Thanks,  Its not exactly groundbreaking as it's been done before, But I was sort of surprised to see nobody had done an mvs4 with active marquee before.  The idea of slimming down did come from other users here though, sorry can't remember who exactly.

Anyway due to World cup, Shed Building, Handling Probate for my mothers estate, and my own glacier like speed of movement I haven't done anything else with this except for play around with the art a bit. See below draft of where I am at currently,  It's a very simple art set as per the original machine.  I'm using Gimp/Inkscape for the art and was hoping to just find a set of vectors,  For some reason I didn't come up with anything that I could easily use,  so far I have spent an evening redrawing all the lines,  I am fairly sure that as the thickness of the center lines shrink that the gap between the stripes increased so I just increased by 1 line thickness for each gap.   

What I am currently finding issue with though is creating a border around the buttons that I like the look of,  I'm happy with the BCD area, its the break out into the A area that I am not a current fan of.  Any assistance with the border and getting the Logo in Vector format would be greatly appreciated. Also if anyone knows what font would be closest to the original font used that information would also be accepted with my eternal thanks :)  (Actually fixing the buttons may be as simple as adjusting the angle of the dangle to the same 30 Degrees as the art work lines).

 
 
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Re: Slim MVS4 with active Marquee.
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2018, 12:37:47 pm »
I would ditch the A button altogether and curve the 6 button setup.  Something like this:


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Re: Slim MVS4 with active Marquee.
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2018, 12:43:22 pm »
I would ditch the A button altogether and curve the 6 button setup.

I can't do that to a Neo-geo clone :)

That layout is basically the same layout I have on my bartop and whilst when I was laying it out originally I thought was the best layout to use,
But I recently played on a straight street fighter layout and oddly found it so much more comfortable to play :)
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« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2018, 07:46:45 pm »
OK I was pointed to some Vector art,  Ended up merging that with work I had already done and now have the following.

Any thoughts?  I'm happy enough with it which is all that ultimately matters, But its nice to get opinions, even if I then ignore them entirely :)

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Re: Slim MVS4 with active Marquee.
« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2018, 08:20:54 pm »
Your button outline looks like an upside down penis on Lorena Bobbits cutting board.

Is that intentional?
 

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« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2018, 09:59:30 pm »
Any thoughts?
1. The button surround shape is a wierd mashup of a narrow rounded rectangle and the wide pointy-curve of the original.   :dizzy:

Pick one style/thickness and go with that.

2. Consider bringing the lower left button a bit closer so the center-to-center distance is the same as the horizontal/vertical distance between the other buttons.


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Re: Slim MVS4 with active Marquee.
« Reply #15 on: Yesterday at 03:10:37 am »
Your button outline looks like an upside down penis on Lorena Bobbits cutting board.

Is that intentional?

No, But I do see what you mean :) :) :)  I think it's our fascination at work for leaving drawn penis' in random locations creeping into my subconscious (our favourite was the one left in the boardroom, drawn on an a3 flip chart board about 20 pages in so it didn't get seen for a few months)

Any thoughts?
1. The button surround shape is a wierd mashup of a narrow rounded rectangle and the wide pointy-curve of the original.   :dizzy:
Pick one style/thickness and go with that.
2. Consider bringing the lower left button a bit closer so the center-to-center distance is the same as the horizontal/vertical distance between the other buttons.
Scott

Thats what I need, something I can actually work with. I shall give it a go :)
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« Reply #16 on: Yesterday at 05:06:11 am »
Watching with interest - v v interested to see how the marquee/2nd screen works out. I really like the idea of the marquee changing with the game (though it's costly) but using it as the top screen for games like punch out and the like as well would work really well I'm sure. Fitting it all into the cab is the challenge but sure you've already sussed that.

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Re: Slim MVS4 with active Marquee.
« Reply #17 on: Yesterday at 11:34:05 am »
Hey ho.  Been away a while..

This looks like it could be pretty cool. I like the shape a lot.

I went with matt laminate a while back for a cabinet and really like it. There's definitely a slight texture to it which is nice.

And 4k all the way if you're going for a large screen. If you're using game bezels they'll come out a lot clearer and running any of the shaders will make the game screen look better too.

If you go for that IL joystick let me know how you get on with it. I'm looking for a new stick for my Blip cab and that's much more the type of stick I grew up with  :)

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Re: Slim MVS4 with active Marquee.
« Reply #18 on: Yesterday at 12:29:55 pm »
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« Reply #19 on: Yesterday at 03:49:41 pm »
:o

You can't blame me for that, its the actual vector art shadow from a neogeo machine :)

Anyway, lets try this again,  how about this one.

(Yes I know that the buttons don't line up etc, but the above is a draft from which I can then get all lined up straight) etc :)

I think I'll line the top row of buttons up with the joystick by bringing all the buttons down Hopefully It doesn't affect palm space too much.
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