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Re: javeryh's Small-ish Bartop ["Jack Attack!"]
« Reply #360 on: March 14, 2019, 07:36:19 pm »
Whoa, rare mountain sighting!

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Re: javeryh's Small-ish Bartop ["Jack Attack!"]
« Reply #361 on: March 14, 2019, 08:01:00 pm »
Sounds good, I'll wait to hear from you.

OK - I measured the dustwasher and it is exactly 2" in diameter.  It's a Sanwa and is made for sticks without the cover around the shaft (smaller hole).  I don't have a clear one but I went ahead and ordered 2 of these: https://www.focusattack.com/clear-31mm-1-16-acrylic-dustwasher-fits-sanwa-jlf-without-shaft-cover/.  It is a different size than the one I have (31mm vs. the ~51mm Sanwa). 

When you size the image, can you make it a few different sizes?  Like 1-15/16", 2", 2-1/16" for the 2" cover and 30mm, 31mm and 32mm for the one I just ordered?  This way, I could just print them all and use the one that fits best.  There is a slight lip around the dustwasher so maybe placing the decal inside of that would be best... not sure but I don't think printing a bunch will cost that much more.  What do you think?  I'm open to suggestions on how to make this work!

I'd say first off, determine how it plays being shorter vs longer... pick the one you prefer. Don't skimp on playability over the hassle of having to shave the mounting plate - you'll kick yourself.   Secondly, bolts showing is cool.   :cheers:

Good call!  I'll see what I'd prefer.  Honestly, I don't think the 1/4" will make a difference in playability but you never know...


Is there enough space to mount the joystick sideways? Turn it 90 degrees and wire it accordingly?

Unfortunately, no.  I tried this when I got home from work and it didn't fit.  I am using a ServoStik and it has a motor attached to the side of the joystick to turn the restrictor plate so the footprint is quite large.

How about removing some of the mounting plate. Looking at mine I could lose an 1/8 and still be able to use same bolt holes.

If I don't sink it into the CP I will definitely remove some of the mounting plate.  I checked and I can definitely remove enough and still preserve the bolt holes.  What should I use to cut the metal?  The mounting plate is kind of thick... 

WOW! Blast from the past! Nice to see you still active. Your work is always spot on, great job. I'm due for a bartop someday.

mountain holy crap!  Nice to hear from you - hope all is well.  Get going on that bartop so you can put mine to shame!   :cheers:

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Re: javeryh's Small-ish Bartop ["Jack Attack!"]
« Reply #362 on: March 14, 2019, 10:34:30 pm »
Sounds good, I'll wait to hear from you.

OK - I measured the dustwasher and it is exactly 2" in diameter.  It's a Sanwa and is made for sticks without the cover around the shaft (smaller hole).  I don't have a clear one but I went ahead and ordered 2 of these: https://www.focusattack.com/clear-31mm-1-16-acrylic-dustwasher-fits-sanwa-jlf-without-shaft-cover/.  It is a different size than the one I have (31mm vs. the ~51mm Sanwa). 

Iíve ordered those and they are rather small in my opinion:

Focus Attack:


Graphic under clear dust washer (Sanwa JLF standard diameter):


Comparison:


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When you size the image, can you make it a few different sizes?  Like 1-15/16", 2", 2-1/16" for the 2" cover and 30mm, 31mm and 32mm for the one I just ordered?  This way, I could just print them all and use the one that fits best.  There is a slight lip around the dustwasher so maybe placing the decal inside of that would be best... not sure but I don't think printing a bunch will cost that much more.  What do you think?  I'm open to suggestions on how to make this work!

Sure thing.  You want it in separate files or all in one?

EDIT:
BTW: the Sanwa JLFís I measure at 1.48inches:


I grabbed the servo stick I have and yes the dust washer is much bigger:


The shaft diameter is the same.  What I didnít mention is that I bought the clear dust washers from Artís hobbies:
http://www.tek-innovations.com/arthobbies/?loc=products&cat=7&subcat=&item=46.

He has the the JLF size standard, but can cut any size you want.
« Last Edit: March 14, 2019, 10:59:41 pm by Arroyo »

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Re: javeryh's Small-ish Bartop ["Jack Attack!"]
« Reply #363 on: March 15, 2019, 05:36:43 am »
You ordered clear acrylic dust washers from some dirty stranger? I am insulted. Time to go cry in my beer.

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Re: javeryh's Small-ish Bartop ["Jack Attack!"]
« Reply #364 on: March 15, 2019, 08:05:19 am »
Just use a grinder with metal disk to remove section of plate..

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Re: javeryh's Small-ish Bartop ["Jack Attack!"]
« Reply #365 on: March 15, 2019, 08:20:40 am »
You ordered clear acrylic dust washers from some dirty stranger? I am insulted. Time to go cry in my beer.

Ah Mike you know I only have eyes for you ;-).  Yeah ask Mike for the dustwashers he does great work, and he partyís like a rock star.  Beer at 5am on a Friday eh Mike?

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Re: javeryh's Small-ish Bartop ["Jack Attack!"]
« Reply #366 on: March 15, 2019, 08:32:44 am »
Hey. It's St. Patrick's Day...almost.

Guinness Beef Stew and toast for breakfast.

A nip of Kilbeggan whiskey.

My wife was Irish. I am practicing Irish.

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Re: javeryh's Small-ish Bartop ["Jack Attack!"]
« Reply #367 on: March 15, 2019, 09:05:47 am »
Ah, St. Paddyís day....



Sorry Javery, couldnít help myself, poor attempt at humor.
« Last Edit: March 15, 2019, 09:41:23 am by Arroyo »

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Re: javeryh's Small-ish Bartop ["Jack Attack!"]
« Reply #368 on: March 15, 2019, 02:26:34 pm »
Focus Attack:


Graphic under clear dust washer (Sanwa JLF standard diameter):


Comparison:



EDIT:
BTW: the Sanwa JLFís I measure at 1.48inches:


I grabbed the servo stick I have and yes the dust washer is much bigger:


The shaft diameter is the same.  What I didnít mention is that I bought the clear dust washers from Artís hobbies:
http://www.tek-innovations.com/arthobbies/?loc=products&cat=7&subcat=&item=46.

He has the the JLF size standard, but can cut any size you want.

Thanks for the pics.  I think I actually like the smaller ones better.  The 2" dust washer takes up most of the yellow box on the CP and it's too much.  So if the smaller dust washers will work, let's go with that.  So I only need 30mm, 31mm and 32mm diameters on the art (I think).  Separate files are probably best - when I send them to Scott at gameongrafix I think his printed will cut the vinyl to the exact size I need.  Last thing I want to do it try and cut out a circle with a razor by hand!

You ordered clear acrylic dust washers from some dirty stranger? I am insulted. Time to go cry in my beer.

Sorry Mike - had I known...

Just use a grinder with metal disk to remove section of plate..

I'm going to have to buy this tool.  I have a dremel - maybe one of the attachments will work?  Hacksaw seems like it would take forever and just sticking it under the chop saw seems like a recipe for disaster...  I'm going to post some pics of the issue so you can get a better idea what I mean.

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Re: javeryh's Small-ish Bartop ["Jack Attack!"]
« Reply #369 on: March 15, 2019, 02:41:49 pm »
So I only need 30mm, 31mm and 32mm diameters on the art (I think).  Separate files are probably best - when I send them to Scott at gameongrafix I think his printed will cut the vinyl to the exact size I need.  Last thing I want to do it try and cut out a circle with a razor by hand!

I placed the graphic on first and then used an Exacto to follow the dust washer like a template, just like installing sideart.  I'd suggest getting a few printed as it can be difficult to get the alignment right.  May want to get a couple that aren't pre-cut in case the larger size material helps with alignment (more for your hands to grip on to).

I'll work on the art files and send it your way as soon as possible.  Question, the circle graphics in the front vary a little, did you have a preference? I used the one on the very left, under the joystick, but maybe you like the one on the right better.

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Re: javeryh's Small-ish Bartop ["Jack Attack!"]
« Reply #370 on: March 15, 2019, 02:57:02 pm »
So I only need 30mm, 31mm and 32mm diameters on the art (I think).  Separate files are probably best - when I send them to Scott at gameongrafix I think his printed will cut the vinyl to the exact size I need.  Last thing I want to do it try and cut out a circle with a razor by hand!

I placed the graphic on first and then used an Exacto to follow the dust washer like a template, just like installing sideart.  I'd suggest getting a few printed as it can be difficult to get the alignment right.  May want to get a couple that aren't pre-cut in case the larger size material helps with alignment (more for your hands to grip on to).

I'll work on the art files and send it your way as soon as possible.  Question, the circle graphics in the front vary a little, did you have a preference? I used the one on the very left, under the joystick, but maybe you like the one on the right better.

OK - so you actually cut them out yourself?  I can give that a shot (even though I struggled with the side art haha).  I don't have a preference on the art.  Whatever you think will look best.

So the second pic you posted is a clear dust washer with the vinyl graphic on the bottom?  It looks great.

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Re: javeryh's Small-ish Bartop ["Jack Attack!"]
« Reply #371 on: March 15, 2019, 03:01:16 pm »
OK - so you actually cut them out yourself?  I can give that a shot (even though I struggled with the side art haha).  I don't have a preference on the art.  Whatever you think will look best.

So the second pic you posted is a clear dust washer with the vinyl graphic on the bottom?  It looks great.

Yup, and it actually has some issues in that the vinyl graphic I used had a thicker material underneath it with adhesive put on by the printing company.  Didnít cut as smoothly as I would have liked.  With standard vinyl like I have on the main graphics of my control panel however itís much easier.  So shouldnít be too bad.  Bigger issue is getting the alignment right and choosing your adhesive.

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Re: javeryh's Small-ish Bartop ["Jack Attack!"]
« Reply #372 on: March 15, 2019, 06:14:09 pm »
Yup, and it actually has some issues in that the vinyl graphic I used had a thicker material underneath it with adhesive put on by the printing company.  Didnít cut as smoothly as I would have liked.  With standard vinyl like I have on the main graphics of my control panel however itís much easier.  So shouldnít be too bad.  Bigger issue is getting the alignment right and choosing your adhesive.

OK cool - I'm going to go for it.  Seems doable.

Here's a stupid video of what is going on with the joystick mount:



What is the best way to cut the plate?  A grinder of some sort seems like it would work but I honestly have no idea as I have never worked with metal before and this is a fairly thick/solid piece.

And here are some pics:

This is probably the best shot to give you an idea of the issue.





Here's an overhead shot - super tight fit!  The motor just barely fits in there.  Going to be fun to wire this panel up!



This is probably where I'd have to cut.  Clears the bolt holes... although the bolts might present an issue if they are close enough to the angled section (I think it will be OK).

« Last Edit: March 15, 2019, 06:15:51 pm by javeryh »

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Re: javeryh's Small-ish Bartop ["Jack Attack!"]
« Reply #373 on: March 15, 2019, 08:58:11 pm »
Angle grinder for $10 from harbor freight would do it !

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Re: javeryh's Small-ish Bartop ["Jack Attack!"]
« Reply #374 on: March 15, 2019, 09:06:45 pm »
I have a dremel - maybe one of the attachments will work?
What is the best way to cut the plate?  A grinder of some sort seems like it would work but I honestly have no idea as I have never worked with metal before and this is a fairly thick/solid piece.
There are a number of cutoff wheels that can cut through that plate.

I'd recommend the 426 (5 pack) or 426B (20 pack) reinforced wheel.

 

If your Dremel came with them, 420 wheels might work, but they will wear out very quickly and break very easily.



Angle grinder for $10 from harbor freight would do it !
True, but it's more of a chainsaw than a scalpel.   :lol


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EDIT: Forgot to mention the EZ456 or EZ456B if you have the EZ Lock mandrel.
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Re: javeryh's Small-ish Bartop ["Jack Attack!"]
« Reply #375 on: March 15, 2019, 09:12:27 pm »
True, but it's more of a chainsaw than a scalpel.   :lol

Scott

Yep but they'll cut through just about anything and for the price it's definitely worth having around next time you've got to cut through something !  :cheers:

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Re: javeryh's Small-ish Bartop ["Jack Attack!"]
« Reply #376 on: March 16, 2019, 03:24:16 am »
If you don't have the tools take it to a car garage and slip them a fiver. Sure they'll cut it off easy

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Re: javeryh's Small-ish Bartop ["Jack Attack!"]
« Reply #377 on: March 16, 2019, 01:26:48 pm »
all you may need is a metal file as you don't need to remove that much metal. such as this  - https://www.harborfreight.com/hand-tools/files/8-inch-flat-file-96626.html

maybe slower but can be more precise, defo no angle grinder, will only end in tears  :o

could always saw it off - https://www.harborfreight.com/12-in-hacksaw-62780.html
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Re: javeryh's Small-ish Bartop ["Jack Attack!"]
« Reply #378 on: March 16, 2019, 07:09:55 pm »
For the amount of steel you need to remove, I'd use a belt sander.