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javeryh's Small-ish Bartop ["Jack Attack!"]
« on: May 30, 2018, 11:00:17 am »
For my first arcade project in 9(!) years I've decided to make a small custom bartop cabinet for my son.  I am pretty much out of space at home for full-sized cabs but the itch to build something just won't go away.  Since I last finished my DK+ I have put an addition on my house and put a movie theater in my basement - those projects took a ton of time (and money) but were well worth it.  The movie theater means I don't have as much space for upright cabinets as I'd like so my solution is to build a bartop that my son can play in his room and easily move around the house if he wants.

Goals:
- Small footprint.  I do not really like the hulking 2P bartops that I see all over the place.  They look huge and at that point you might as well build a full sized cab, IMO.
- Intuitive functionality.  I want it to be obvious to users how to operate the cabinet.  Power on, boot straight to game list, select and exit games at touch of a button, power off.
- Focused gamelist.  I do not need to be able to play 5000 games - just the classics and maybe a few lesser-known gems.  Arcade only (no console games).
- Focused theme.  I want this to look like it's own thing so no marquee that says "Mamecade" or "Arcade Classics" or whatever other generic thing people do.

Expanding on the focused theme, I'm leaning towards calling it "Jack Attack!" because my son's name is Jack.  The font for the marquee will be similar to the "Mars Attack!" movie poster. 



The side art and CP art will hopefully match the font - retro style I guess - with some 50s looking UFOs and maybe an alien with a ray gun or something.  Not sure yet.  I don't have any photoshop or inkscape skills so I'll need to commission someone to do this for me.

The guts of this thing will probably be a Raspberry Pi 3 B+ but I really need to do some research and learn how it works.  I am somewhat familiar with Retropie (the basics) but I will need to customize the theme and everything to get it to where I like.  I already have a 10" 4:3 monitor that I plan to mount horizontally and the control panel will likely be 6-button set up (because my son like Street Fighter) with a ServoStik joystick.  I just don't think I can fit a computer inside or I'd go that route.

After reading a TON of build threads I settled on three projects that inspired mine:

- grippie's Sega Genesis Bartop
- edekoning's NES Bartop
- Vidiot's Centipede Bartop

I started off using grippie's plans but shrunk them down to 60% (because my monitor is about 60% the size of the one he used) and then added a 1/2" to the bottom, back and top edges to make room for the controls and to make the marquee area bigger so that it could be seen. 

Work began on it last week and have the side panels cut and I'm hoping to assemble it this weekend.  The final pattern I cut out of cardboard is attached to this post - more pics to follow.
« Last Edit: May 30, 2018, 11:08:04 am by javeryh »

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Re: javeryh's Small-ish Bartop ["Jack Attack!"]
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2018, 11:22:52 am »
I must say that I strongly disapprove of this build.

-You need it to play a minimum of 10,000 games.
-The name should be "MAMEcade Classic Arcadecade"
-You didn't even mention a steering wheel and light guns.

I hope you at least plan on adding 732 RGB LED buttons.

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Re: javeryh's Small-ish Bartop ["Jack Attack!"]
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2018, 12:02:24 pm »
I must say that I strongly disapprove of this build.

-You need it to play a minimum of 10,000 games.
-The name should be "MAMEcade Classic Arcadecade"
-You didn't even mention a steering wheel and light guns.

I hope you at least plan on adding 732 RGB LED buttons.

I knew I went wrong somewhere... if I widen the bartop by 48" I think I'll be able to get the light guns and steering wheels in there and I'll be able to play TMNT with 3 buddies once every 3 years.  Actually, if I go that far I might as well set it up for 6P X-Men!  Back to the drawing board...

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« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2018, 12:19:10 pm »
After settling on the profile, I decided to mock up the cab with cardboard to get a feel for the size.  The Monster is for scale:



I thought about it for a while and although I was very happy with the shape, I was not happy with the overall size - still too big - so I shrunk it down and the result was the "Minicade".  The "Arcade" design is 65% of grippie's Sega cab (for the most part) and the "Minicade" design is 60%, which I was happy with.  I also printed out the CP layout and decided on the interior width of the cab 9-5/8".  The monitor I have is 9-1/2" wide (with the case) so it just fits.





In case anyone looks back on this and wonders what exactly I did to grippie's design here you go.  I wanted more surface area for the marquee and some additional room inside to fit everything so I added a little to the back and top of the design.




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Re: javeryh's Small-ish Bartop ["Jack Attack!"]
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2018, 12:26:55 pm »
"arcadecade" lol!!!

Just imagine, a bartop that's actually going to be small enough to fit properly on a... bar top lol. Looking forward to the progress!  :)

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« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2018, 12:31:00 pm »
Yeah. I like where this one is going.

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Re: javeryh's Small-ish Bartop ["Jack Attack!"]
« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2018, 01:38:27 pm »
I look forward to following along. You always do great work, and grippy's cab is a hall of famer for sure, so it's a great cab to base yours off of.
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« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2018, 02:41:22 pm »
Thanks guys - I also look forward to following along because I'm not 100% sure how this is going to go  ;D

After getting a profile that I liked with the cardboard, I traced them out onto a sheet of 1/4" MDF so I could make a pattern.  Instead of making one side and then copying it, I decided to make the pattern first and copy it twice.  If this goes smooth, I can make additional cabs down the road... maybe. 



At this point, I still wasn't sold on whether to use the "Arcade" size or the "Minicade" size so I made 2 patterns because why not.  Next, using a 2" forstner bit, I cut out some circles for the curved areas.



Next, I cut the rest of the pattern out with my jigsaw staying about 1/8" away from the lines.



Finally, using my router, a pattern bit and a straight edge, I cut everything back to the line and then used some sandpaper and a sanding block to smooth out the hard corners (I just eyeballed this).  Before doing this part I made the decision to use the smaller profile.



Now that I had a 1/4" pattern, I could make copies out of 3/4" MDF for the sides of the cabinet.   :cheers:


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Re: javeryh's Small-ish Bartop ["Jack Attack!"]
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2018, 09:23:57 pm »
Nice score on the 10" monitor.... that's a good form factor to be working with since you can get lots of tablets in 10" size.

Looks like a good start Javery! It's a little late, but the only consideration I would have for you is to consider where this cabinet is going to live. My 2 bartops never could find a proper home. I ended up building a table for them, and by then, I wished I just made them full size (like a lowboy or cabaret).  My defender just hangs out in storage.

Besides the Raspberry Pi, also consider a Pandoras box, or other jamma board. It's hard to beat the simplicity of configuration. I had a PB3, and I didn't love it, but I'd consider a 5 after watching some reviews. For a kid, I'd be worried about improper shut downs and corruption of the SD card (I assume that's still a thing).

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Re: javeryh's Small-ish Bartop ["Jack Attack!"]
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2018, 10:56:41 pm »
I'm looking forward to this project if your past work is any indication! I can't believe it's almost been ten years since I remembered following your bellas arcade. Your daughter has to be close to graduating now right?

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Re: javeryh's Small-ish Bartop ["Jack Attack!"]
« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2018, 12:41:56 pm »
Nice score on the 10" monitor.... that's a good form factor to be working with since you can get lots of tablets in 10" size.

Looks like a good start Javery! It's a little late, but the only consideration I would have for you is to consider where this cabinet is going to live. My 2 bartops never could find a proper home. I ended up building a table for them, and by then, I wished I just made them full size (like a lowboy or cabaret).  My defender just hangs out in storage.

Besides the Raspberry Pi, also consider a Pandoras box, or other jamma board. It's hard to beat the simplicity of configuration. I had a PB3, and I didn't love it, but I'd consider a 5 after watching some reviews. For a kid, I'd be worried about improper shut downs and corruption of the SD card (I assume that's still a thing).

Thanks lew.  I also like the 10" screen size.  I opened it up and the insides were... unexpected.  Just a wafer thin panel and a ribbon cable connecting it to the outputs.  It is mostly empty inside the plastic shell.  I was planning to decase it but now I'm not sure I want to mess with it.  I'd lose the easy Vesa mount if I decased it but would have more room inside for stuff.  I'm on the fence.  The great thing is that it is 4:3 and not 16:9 like most tablets.  I hooked up my desktop real quick and Windows looked just fine.

I have thought a little bit about where this thing will live and I think it will be just fine in my son's room on his dresser or something.  The footprint of this cabinet is small - probably 8" deep and 10" wide total.  It's also only about 15" high so not taking up a lot of space even on a table.  I'll get some accurate measurements tonight.

I'm looking forward to this project if your past work is any indication! I can't believe it's almost been ten years since I remembered following your bellas arcade. Your daughter has to be close to graduating now right?

Haha thanks.  I can't believe it has been that long either.  I built that arcade cab in 2007!  She is a teenager and going into 8th grade already.  Send help.  ;D  She still likes to play games and about a month ago she sat down and played through all of Bad Dudes on her cab.
« Last Edit: May 31, 2018, 01:07:19 pm by javeryh »

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Re: javeryh's Small-ish Bartop ["Jack Attack!"]
« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2018, 01:12:39 pm »
Alright... next step on this thing was to use my 1/4" pattern to cut out the actual sides out of 3/4" MDF.  I traced the pattern on the MDF and rough cut it leaving about 1/8" all the way around.  Then I used some double sided table to stick the pattern down so I could run all the way around with the router and my pattern bit:



This produced 2 exact copies:



After that was finished, I switched bits and routed the slots for the t-molding.  Easier to do this now but I could have waited until the cabinet was assembled.  Centering the slot cutter was such a pain.  I ruined a lot of scrap MDF getting it just right.



Next up - cutting the interior panels (8 total pieces that are each 9-5/8" wide).   :cheers:
« Last Edit: May 31, 2018, 01:27:27 pm by javeryh »

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Re: javeryh's Small-ish Bartop ["Jack Attack!"]
« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2018, 08:12:25 pm »
First question for you guys.  Iím building the rear panel and trying to decide what to put back there.  I have a power socket that will go on the right side and a power button and volume knob that will go on the left. 

Iím ripping apart a pair of $10 AmazonBasics speakers and I plan to relocate the volume knob to the back panel.  I want the ability to control the volume even though I could shift that function.  The knob will be out of sight and this needs to be simple to operate.

I have 2 buttons I could use for power.  One crappy 1/2Ē red button that will be fine and one cool looking PC button that has an illuminated blue ring of light.  The problem is that no one will see this and I do not want it on the front of the cab where it could get accidentally hit. 

So my question- which power button would you use and how would you lay out this panel?  The socket could be installed vertically or horizontally and power and volume could be side by side or on top of each other.

Thoughts?



« Last Edit: June 07, 2018, 11:17:00 am by javeryh »

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Re: javeryh's Small-ish Bartop ["Jack Attack!"]
« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2018, 08:17:15 pm »
I'd use the lit button just due to the fact that the other one sticks out and could get bumped accidently.  Or just pick up a vandal button separately.

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« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2018, 10:10:07 pm »
I'd use the lit button just due to the fact that the other one sticks out and could get bumped accidently.  Or just pick up a vandal button separately.

Hmmm... the vandal button looks pretty nice.  $7.49 shipped from Amazon so I ordered.  I'm probably overdoing it but whatever...  I'm a little over $200 into this thing already!


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« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2018, 10:13:07 pm »

Hmmm... the vandal button looks pretty nice.  $7.49 shipped from Amazon so I ordered. 

Ouch they're only $0.99 shipped from Honk Kong If you don't need it right away ! - https://www.ebay.com/itm/16mm-Anti-Vandal-Momentary-Steel-Metal-Push-Button-Switch-Flat-Top-New/282875701924?epid=28016226143&hash=item41dcb4aaa4:g:Kv0AAOSwpFtaoNvh

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« Reply #16 on: May 31, 2018, 10:22:10 pm »

Hmmm... the vandal button looks pretty nice.  $7.49 shipped from Amazon so I ordered. 

Ouch they're only $0.99 shipped from Honk Kong If you don't need it right away ! - https://www.ebay.com/itm/16mm-Anti-Vandal-Momentary-Steel-Metal-Push-Button-Switch-Flat-Top-New/282875701924?epid=28016226143&hash=item41dcb4aaa4:g:Kv0AAOSwpFtaoNvh

Gah! Oh well - I don't really care but the $7 savings would have been nice!  Mine is set to arrive Saturday, which is perfect because I plan to work on this thing over the weekend.   :cheers:

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« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2018, 02:49:16 am »
Good choice on the vandal switch :) As for the panel, I would mount it horizontally,  have power socket one end, volume in middle and vandal switch at the other. 

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« Reply #18 on: June 01, 2018, 09:21:25 am »
Good choice on the vandal switch :) As for the panel, I would mount it horizontally,  have power socket one end, volume in middle and vandal switch at the other.

A horizontal mount for the socket seems good but that means the plug is sideways... not that it matters.  I'm leaning that way.  I'm going to keep the power button and volume knob to the side because I want them to be easily reachable.  If I put something in the middle it could be a pain to use.

I might go with on/off on the left and both the power socket and volume knob to the right.  This way there is no way to accidentally turn off the cab when you just want to change the volume.  I'm still playing with it. 

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« Reply #19 on: June 01, 2018, 09:24:03 am »
Put the volume knob and power button on the top near the back.

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« Reply #20 on: June 01, 2018, 09:52:37 am »
Put the volume knob and power button on the top near the back.

Good idea.  Power for sure since it is flush with the top panel.  The volume knob will stick out and annoy me but this will free up room on the rear panel for volume on the left and power socket on the right.  Problem solved... I think.

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« Reply #22 on: June 01, 2018, 12:55:19 pm »
is it possible to wire these to the top for volume control?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-Pcs-10x9mm-4-Pin-Momentary-Blue-Light-Volume-Control-Tactile-Switch/152570745870?epid=26012042575&hash=item2385ecd40e:g:N0UAAOSwcgNZMY5W

I suppose I could do something like that but the volume knob is just the easiest thing for me to do (famous last words).  I'd also want the buttons to be black so they do not stand out.  I think I've got it sorted but I'm going to make a test panel tonight or tomorrow morning if time permits.   :cheers:

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« Reply #23 on: June 01, 2018, 01:04:18 pm »
Next up was laying out the wood strips that will be used to connect all of the panels.  I'm screwing them in temporarily so that I can assemble and disassemble the cabinet easily while cutting out the panels and painting but when it comes time I'll be using wood glue (with the screws) to hold everything together permanently.  Paint will go on much much easier if I only have to worry about flat surfaces.

Anyway, the first thing I did was set my square to 3/4" and then ran it around the inside edge to give me the exact line where the wood strips will go.  The 3/4" accounts for a 1/4" reveal plus the thickness of the wood dowel (1/2" x 1/2").  I used spring clamps to hold each piece in place and then drilled a 1/8" hole freehand with my drill (using a piece of tape on the drill bit so I knew how far down to go).  I do not own a drill press so it's not perfect but it's passable.



The only angles I cut in the wood dowels were on the front of the CP.  I need this to be as precise as possible.  The rest of the pieces will be hidden so I didn't need to be as exact - just had to be sure they were all lined up.  I also made sure that the wood strips for the top panel and the speaker panel did not go to the edge.  That would screw up the lighting for the marquee down the road so I came 1-1/8" short of the front edge... for no reason other than this seemed like enough room.

Here is a shot of both sides completed with the screws in:



Close-up of CP area:



With this taken care of I could start cutting the cross pieces and instead of measuring I could actually place the piece of MDF and mark off the length for a more precise cut.  One thing I'm not 100% sure of is how I'm going to hold the monitor glass in place.  I've seen some creative solutions by others but I haven't settled on anything yet.  The only reason I mention this is because the wood dowel marked "speaker" may need to be shortened if I plan to tuck the glass behind that panel. 

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« Reply #24 on: June 01, 2018, 05:42:20 pm »
Servo-joystick and all the gear going to fit in there?

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« Reply #25 on: June 01, 2018, 06:18:32 pm »
Servo-joystick and all the gear going to fit in there?

LOL not sure yet. 

I'll make it fit... I can always cut a hole in the base panel under the stick if I need an extra ~5/8"

Edit:  hereís a pic... I think it will work.  Thereís about 1/4Ē clearance as is.



Buttons may need to be 1/2Ē-1Ē closer to the stick than optimal but not sure yet.
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« Reply #26 on: June 02, 2018, 09:08:50 am »
Looking great so far. Definitely watching this one. I don't like big bartops.

 


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« Reply #27 on: June 02, 2018, 04:12:05 pm »
Looking great so far. Definitely watching this one. I don't like big bartops.

Thanks a lot.  Your Centipede cabinet definitely pushed me over the edge to make this one.  Really great work - I've been studying your pics and YouTube video trying to pick up some pointers.  If you are around when I get to it I'd love to pick your brain on how to get a custom layout set up with the Raspberry Pi.  The way your cab boots up is exactly what I'm trying to achieve.   :cheers:

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« Reply #28 on: June 02, 2018, 11:28:09 pm »
I managed to find about 90 minutes to make a little progress today.  Slow going with all the kids activities as the school year winds down.  Now that the sides were cut, I could start making the interior panels.  They are all 9-5/8" wide so I had the guy at Home Depot rip down a piece of 1/2" MDF to that width so all I had to do was measure the length of each piece and cut the panel with the chop saw.  Easier said than done.  Each panel is a little bit tricky because of cutouts or angled joints.

I started with the top panel above the marquee and the panel on the top rear of the cabinet.  Measuring the length was easy but these panels meet at an angle and that took me a few tries to get just right on the saw.  The top panel also gets the power button (thanks Mike A - more on this later) and the top rear panel is gets three 2" holes for ventilation.  I used forstner bits for all of the holes.



I must have measured and cut this angle 3 different times to get it just right - the angles on each piece are identical so once I figured it out it lined up perfectly.  To glue the panels together I just used my hands and a lot of patience.  I held the panels in place for about 30 minutes making small adjustments as needed and using my fingers to make sure all edges were flush.  I was a little nervous but it worked.  I tried clamping initially but the pieces wanted to shear away from each other when I tried to tighten things up (even with a jig I tried making).  I'll sand the excess glue away before painting.





Everything was going smooth until I went to drill out the hole for the button.  The package said a 3/4" hole would be sufficient so that's what I did.... except when I went to install the button I realized it was not long enough for the fastener to catch!  I needed to drill a larger hole on the inside but only go about half way through the MDF but without a center point this is difficult to do accurately. I ended up cutting a piece of wood to fill the hole the best I could, found the center point of that and then drilled the hole.





Success!



It has just enough clearance on the inside too.  I chose the left side of the cabinet to match where I'm going to put the power socket on the rear bottom panel but I guess it could have gone anywhere.  The location is perfect - easy to access but out of the way of everything else.



I really like the look of this button so it was worth the extra $7 to me.  This panel will eventually be painted black so the button will blend right in.

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« Reply #29 on: June 03, 2018, 11:56:16 am »
I couldnít resist putting everything together to see how it will look.









Iím pretty happy with the overall look and the size.  The proportions seem good too.  I just hope I can cram everything inside!
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« Reply #30 on: June 03, 2018, 12:17:50 pm »
Cab looks good. Stop drinking Monster. It is poison.
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« Reply #31 on: June 03, 2018, 12:58:22 pm »
I really like that form factor, looking really good!
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« Reply #32 on: June 03, 2018, 01:16:40 pm »
Looking great so far. Definitely watching this one. I don't like big bartops.

Thanks a lot.  Your Centipede cabinet definitely pushed me over the edge to make this one.  Really great work - I've been studying your pics and YouTube video trying to pick up some pointers.  If you are around when I get to it I'd love to pick your brain on how to get a custom layout set up with the Raspberry Pi.  The way your cab boots up is exactly what I'm trying to achieve.   :cheers:

Thanks man. I'll help any way I can. Might take me a bit to remember some things but I will help however I can. I love how this is coming together. Such a great little size and a great shape on this!


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« Reply #33 on: June 03, 2018, 07:07:47 pm »
Cab looks good. Stop drinking Monster. It is poison.

Thanks - I wish I could stop drinking Monster but I need my caffeine fix.  I don't drink coffee or soda or tea.  Basically water and Monster (1 a day when I get to my desk).

I really like that form factor, looking really good!

Thanks!  I do like the size - it has a very small footprint so it doesn't take up much room on a desk (approximately 11" wide x 10" deep x 15" tall).  I think it will also be very easy to move it around.

Looking great so far. Definitely watching this one. I don't like big bartops.

Thanks a lot.  Your Centipede cabinet definitely pushed me over the edge to make this one.  Really great work - I've been studying your pics and YouTube video trying to pick up some pointers.  If you are around when I get to it I'd love to pick your brain on how to get a custom layout set up with the Raspberry Pi.  The way your cab boots up is exactly what I'm trying to achieve.   :cheers:

Thanks man. I'll help any way I can. Might take me a bit to remember some things but I will help however I can. I love how this is coming together. Such a great little size and a great shape on this!

Thanks a lot - I haven't thought about the electronics that much yet and I suspect that is where I'll have my biggest hangups.  I haven't messed around with RetroPie other than putting an image on an SD card and loading it up.  Seems easy enough but I'm going to need to dig down in the weeds a bit to remove the boot sequence, add a custom splash screen and then boot straight to the game list... and also have a custom layout.  I have a ton to learn.

I worked on the cab a bunch today but it doesn't look like I really did anything.  Each step takes 3 times as long as I think it should. 

I spent a long time ripping apart the Amazon Basics speakers I bought.  What a pain.  I had to crack open the cases and try to remove the speakers except they were basically impossible to take apart.  I ended up using a saw and a mitre box to cut the plastic in a square shape around the speakers and then I drilled 1/8" holes in the corners so I can mount them later.  They would not come apart from the plastic casing.





I also cut out the rear bottom panel for the power socket and volume knob.  The volume knob is going to take some creativity.  I need to somehow extend the pot to fit through the 1/2" MDF and mount the PCB on the other side.  Not sure how to solve that yet. 





I cut out the speaker panel for underneath the marquee and the corresponding holes.  It's going to be a tight fit up there with the marquee light.





I found some sweet desk grommets at Home Depot that exactly fit the 1-1/2" ventilation holes on the rear of the cab.  Finishes them off nice.  I saw grippie rounded over the edges of those openings but I have some plans on the finish that would make that the wrong move for me.  Still thinking...



I also drilled all the holes in the wood bracing so the cabinet is solid (no glue yet).  The only things left to do for construction is to make the control panel and get the back door working.  I've got a cam lock and I bought some magnetic catches but not really sure what to do yet.  Hinge?  Removable panel?  Still thinking...

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« Reply #34 on: June 03, 2018, 07:59:27 pm »
I also cut out the rear bottom panel for the power socket and volume knob.  The volume knob is going to take some creativity.  I need to somehow extend the pot to fit through the 1/2" MDF and mount the PCB on the other side.  Not sure how to solve that yet. 

Here is how I solved that problem in the past. I make a plastic plate out of a 5 1/4" computer case bay blank or cut from a sheet of ABS plastic you can buy from eBay. I cut out a rectangle hole on the back of the cabinet then use a router to recess an area around the inside side of the hole for the plastic to mount into and hot glue it in place. It makes a nice clean look for the stuff on the back of the cabinet. Here is a diagram showing what I am trying to explain:



Here is what it looks like on my Centipede bartop:



This is my Arcade Classics bartop. It has a lot of stuff mounted to the plastic plate:



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« Reply #35 on: June 04, 2018, 08:39:21 am »
Here is what it looks like on my Centipede bartop:
That looks lean and clean, nice work.
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« Reply #36 on: June 04, 2018, 09:54:13 am »
Here is what it looks like on my Centipede bartop:
That looks lean and clean, nice work.

yeah - I'm definitely stealing this.  Should be easy to route out behind the knob and pop in some ABS plastic (I should have some laying around from other projects)  I may just use the 3/4" opening I already drilled.  The round knob that came with the AmazonBasics speakers fits through there with about 1/8" to spare all the way around.  Behind the panel will be a mess because I will have to route out a large section for the PCB but whatever.  No one will ever see... except you guys and everyone else who wants me to open it up.   :cheers:

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« Reply #37 on: June 05, 2018, 07:37:53 pm »
Baby steps... got the marquee retainer finished today (minus the paint job).  I got the aluminum bracket at Home Depot for a few dollars.  1/2Ēx3/4Ē is a good size - 1/2Ē edge will be on face to maximize marquee size and 3/4Ē edge gives enough room to drill som holes.

Marked out hole locations after cutting to size:



Holes are drilled:



Yeah not a lot but Iím trying to accomplish something every day that I can to push this along.

More later...
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« Reply #38 on: June 06, 2018, 02:02:00 am »
Javery - did you use1/2Ē mdf for the upper and lower marquee? If not, will there be an issue with the difference in size of the marquee retainers and mdf?

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« Reply #39 on: June 06, 2018, 01:43:17 pm »
Javery - did you use1/2Ē mdf for the upper and lower marquee? If not, will there be an issue with the difference in size of the marquee retainers and mdf?

I did use 1/2" MDF for the top and speaker panels but even so the aluminum bracket doesn't cover it entirely so I'll need to remove some material towards the front otherwise it will create a shadow with the light coming for the marquee.  I'm either going to sand it down or try a severe angle o the chop saw.  Either should work as I only need to remove about 1/16".

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« Reply #40 on: June 06, 2018, 02:52:26 pm »
When you get around to the software side of things you should definately check out motion blue 6.
 Couldnt be easier to install a custom splashscreen for boot up.Theres a setting in the menus to boot into any chosen system.And kid mode now works great,it has a set combination of button and joystick moves to exit it.Also you can set the screensaver to play random snaps when its laying idle.you will maybe even find a pre made theme your happy with.

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« Reply #41 on: June 06, 2018, 07:43:40 pm »
When you get around to the software side of things you should definately check out motion blue 6.
 Couldnt be easier to install a custom splashscreen for boot up.Theres a setting in the menus to boot into any chosen system.And kid mode now works great,it has a set combination of button and joystick moves to exit it.Also you can set the screensaver to play random snaps when its laying idle.you will maybe even find a pre made theme your happy with.

Thanks - I will definitely take a look.  Iím going for bare bones.  1 gamelist with everything integrated.  Splash screen and kid friendly controls.

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« Reply #42 on: June 06, 2018, 08:00:45 pm »
More baby steps.  I completed the rear bottom panel and solved the volume knob problem.  Well, Vidiot solved it for me...

I traced the PCB with the volume knob in the 3/4Ē hole I cut and then routed out the back of the panel leaving about 3/16Ē.



Then I cut a scrap of ABS plastic and drilled out a 1/4Ē hole in the middle using my step bit.  That thing works great - produces a nice clean hole.



Here is the result - looks good and the volume knob will be easily accessible and fully operational.







I am not gluing any pieces in place until after I paint but for now this panel is 100% complete.  I really want to get this thing painted but I have a bit more work to do on some of the panels:

  • The top panel needs the edge removed like the speaker panel
  • I need to figure out the back door.  I have some magnets and a cam lock but I'm now thinking a piano hinge is the way to go with the cam lock up top to hold it in place.
  • I need to make the control panel (the top and front piece).  I don't need to cut the button holes but I do need to figure out how to attach it to the cabinet and allow access.

I'm getting there.  Once I get paint on it should move fast.  I'm also starting to think about the art - I want to get that right.  I know what I want in my head but I hope I can find someone to bring it to life...
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« Reply #43 on: June 07, 2018, 12:21:47 pm »
A little bit more progress...

I completed the speaker panel.  Not a huge deal but good to cross off the list.  I drilled out the holes for the 2 speakers (1.75"), drilled the holes to mount the speakers and shaved off the front of the panel for the marquee retainer.  Hopefully this is enough to not create a shadow on the marquee.



Here is a close-up of how the marquee retainer will sit.  Assuming the entire area behind the marquee will be lit, the retainer will be where the cut off is for what is viewable instead of the top of the MDF speaker panel, which I think would create a 1/8" strip of the marquee that would not be lit but would be viewable and would look weird.  I'll have to do the same thing to the top panel as well.



Here is a close-up of one side of the speaker panel with the speaker installed.  Two screws seems to be holding it in place nicely so I will probably go with that.  I have a slight concern about the metal screw somehow interfering with the sound coming out of the speaker so the less the better.  I'm probably worried for no reason.





Here is the "final" panel with the speakers installed.  Pretty tight fit but it works. 





I ordered some 1.75" speaker grilles off of eBay from China for like $4 to eventually use on the face of the panel once everything is assembled.  I'm open to other ideas though.

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« Reply #44 on: June 07, 2018, 01:08:27 pm »
Id paint that beveled edge white to help with the light bouncing off it. Those screws shouldnt impact sound at all.
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« Reply #45 on: June 07, 2018, 05:03:09 pm »
Id paint that beveled edge white to help with the light bouncing off it. Those screws shouldnt impact sound at all.

Good idea.  Maybe a little tin foil there would help too.  I am going to prime the entire thing inside and out so it will be white...  :cheers:

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« Reply #46 on: June 07, 2018, 09:17:52 pm »
The fewer screws you use the worse they will sound.  2 is enough; 4 is right. 

The paper cone is the part that moves and makes sound, not the bracket.

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« Reply #47 on: June 08, 2018, 10:24:42 am »
The fewer screws you use the worse they will sound.  2 is enough; 4 is right. 

The paper cone is the part that moves and makes sound, not the bracket.

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Great.  I'll use 4 screws to hold them down.  Thanks.

Last night I cut the panels for the control panel.  I'm really not sure what to do about holding the monitor glass in place (will be 1/8" tempered gray glass) so I made the CP a little long just in case.  Also, the front angle is NOT 90 degrees even though it should have been...  turns out it is 95 degrees so I had to cut both panels at that angle to get it to line up.  Rounding over the front edge should be interesting too...



So now comes the time when I need to figure out where all of the buttons go.  I am definitely going with a 6 button SF setup on the top - the problem I'm having is where to place the admin buttons (and what admin buttons to use).  Here's what I'm thinking:

  • P1 Start - 100% must have dedicated button
  • P2 Start - 95% must have dedicated button.  This is a 1 player cab but if I recall correctly, a lot of classics require you to press P2 Start once you drop in $0.50 to make it a 2 player game.  Otherwise head to head games will be played with a bluetooth controller... which will have its own P2 Start button.  I imagine this will be a 1P cab most of the time but I'd like to have the ability for 2P games.
  • Coin - 100% must have dedicated button.
  • Exit - 75% must have dedicated button (I thought about making it so P1+P2 Start = Exit but worried this will be too confusing).  Simplicity is #1 goal of this cabinet (along with playability, design and form factor heh).
  • Pause - would be nice to have

As for location, I'm thinking about along the front panel of the CP or possibly creating an admin panel above the CP but below the monitor.  I have to check on the amount of room I have there but that might be the cleanest solution.  Buttons on the front make me think hey will accidentally get pressed...

I'd love some feedback on this :cheers:



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« Reply #48 on: June 08, 2018, 11:29:58 am »
  • Exit - 75% must have dedicated button (I thought about making it so P1+P2 Start = Exit but worried this will be too confusing).  Simplicity is #1 goal of this cabinet (along with playability, design and form factor heh).
  • Pause - would be nice to have

In RocketLauncher you can make one button have multiple functions.  Personally I like the idea of holding down a button for a certain specified time (Iím going with 3 seconds) on exit so there arenít any accidents.  You can press the button once or multiple times to get different functions (pause maybe).  Might slightly confuse a user but if itís labeled..... :dunno

Great build, looking forward to the updates.

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« Reply #49 on: June 08, 2018, 11:51:24 am »
Hi, on my last bartop (single player) I used coin+start to exit mame, easy to setup in rocket launcher, to pause mame used start+button 6, this was set up in mame again very easy to do so you really don't need any more buttons then 6 per player plus coin and start, hope that makes sense :)

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« Reply #50 on: June 09, 2018, 10:24:53 am »
  • Exit - 75% must have dedicated button (I thought about making it so P1+P2 Start = Exit but worried this will be too confusing).  Simplicity is #1 goal of this cabinet (along with playability, design and form factor heh).
  • Pause - would be nice to have

In RocketLauncher you can make one button have multiple functions.  Personally I like the idea of holding down a button for a certain specified time (Iím going with 3 seconds) on exit so there arenít any accidents.  You can press the button once or multiple times to get different functions (pause maybe).  Might slightly confuse a user but if itís labeled..... :dunno

Great build, looking forward to the updates.

I had no idea you could set it up so a timed button press did something.  That is super cool and may be a way to combine Pause and Exit (tap for Pause; hold for Exit).  Iím still kicking this around in my head. 

I just got my Seimitsu buttons from Focus Attack and I hope to mock up the CP soon (getting crushed with kid activities this weekend).  Iím leaning towards a separate panel below the monitor for all the admin stuff (except Coin, which will be dead center on the front of the CP and flush) but not sure there is enough room since I didnít originally plan for it.  It would be nice to also route a slot to hold the monitor glass in the same panel if it can all fit.  I have some nice 24mm buttons for admin but even those might be too big...
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« Reply #51 on: June 09, 2018, 11:38:11 am »
I had no idea you could set it up so a timed button press did something.  That is super cool and may be a way to combine Pause and Exit (tap for Pause; hold for Exit).  Iím still kicking this around in my head. 

Here's a screen shot for reference:



For some reason a single tap for Pause screws up the hold function for Exit on my machine (haven't had a chance to look into this).  But for now the quick fix is a double tap for Pause and a (in my case) 3 second hold for exit.  I like the idea that someone can't Exit accidentally and you minimize the number of buttons.

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« Reply #52 on: June 09, 2018, 05:17:12 pm »
If your keeping it simple for your son,motion blue can run with 1 hot key and 2 coin buttons if your 2 player.hot key and coin 1 to exit game,and hot key and you decide to pause.Retroarch anyway.
Although pause is cheating.
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« Reply #53 on: June 11, 2018, 09:29:28 pm »
Here's a screen shot for reference:

For some reason a single tap for Pause screws up the hold function for Exit on my machine (haven't had a chance to look into this).  But for now the quick fix is a double tap for Pause and a (in my case) 3 second hold for exit.  I like the idea that someone can't Exit accidentally and you minimize the number of buttons.

Thanks.  I'll look into this.  I've been experimenting but not sure about the solution yet.

If your keeping it simple for your son,motion blue can run with 1 hot key and 2 coin buttons if your 2 player.hot key and coin 1 to exit game,and hot key and you decide to pause.Retroarch anyway.
Although pause is cheating.

Thanks but I do not want any hot keys on this cabinet.  Too confusing believe it or not!  Pause may be cheating but I think I have to have it the more I think about it.  My house is chaos 99% of the time and I'm sure he will get interrupted while playing more often than not.  Pause would save a lot of headaches and "5 more minutes mom - I can't pause it!"   ;D

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I have been thinking about the admin buttons and trying to come up with an elegant solution and I think I'm onto something.  There may be just enough space below the monitor and above the control panel to have an admin panel.  The way I've laid it out (if you can't see) is EXIT isolated to the far left (no accidental presses) and then P1 START, P2 START and PAUSE all in a row on the other side.







I was thinking about putting the COIN button in the front of the Control Panel dead center.  To avoid accidental taps (not that it really matters) I dug out some old flush buttons to see if one would work.  This has a very thin bezel that the actual button is completely flush with.  It's pretty cool (you can even light it up if you want).  I like this idea in theory but I'm afraid the button looks out of place compared to the other smaller admin buttons (never mind the fact that the button bezel is black).  It is also probably located out of place all by itself on the front of the Control Panel... There may be room on the Admin Panel for another 24mm button though next to P1 START.





So now I'm thinking I could:

(1) make the PAUSE button shown above the COIN button and relocate PAUSE to the front of the Control Panel but maybe all the way to the right or left? 

Or

(2) take a button away from the group of 3 and only have P1 and P2 START on the Admin Panel to the right and then have 2 more buttons for PAUSE and COIN on the front of the Control Panel (centered?  One to each side to line up with the EXIT and P2 START buttons on the admin panel?).  If PAUSE or COIN get hit by mistake I don't think it really matters so they are probably safe on the front of the Control Panel so this might work.

I'm still thinking about it but I think there is a solution here...

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« Reply #54 on: June 12, 2018, 09:55:53 am »
Alright - I've mocked up my last rambling post... which one looks best?

#1

This puts all 5 admin buttons in one spot above the CP and below the monitor leaving the front of the CP blank.  EXIT is isolated, but I worry that there is too much going on here.



#2

This layout would align EXIT and PAUSE and align P2 and COIN (each set 1/2" in from edge on the admin panel and front of the CP).  This layout is nice in that you aren't really going to be accidentally pressing any buttons but I'm not sure what to think about a solitary button in 3 out of the 4 "corners".  It's not bad though.



#3

This layout has COIN and PAUSE on the front of the CP - I could space these any way I want (a button width apart?) but they would be generally centered.  I kind of like this one too and it's not like it matters if you hit COIN while reaching to PAUSE while playing (although it may be a slightly bigger deal the other way around).



#4

This layout has COIN and PAUSE lined up to the right with P1 START and P2 START.  This is the most uniform layout (I think) and still isolates EXIT nicely.  The same issue with #3 is present here (pressing COIN or PAUSE when you mean to hit the other).  This one is pleasing to the eye as well.



I'm leaning towards #3 or #4... I think.  Thoughts?   :cheers:

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« Reply #55 on: June 12, 2018, 03:40:55 pm »
Two more. 


#5




COIN in the middle of the front CP panel and everything else up top.


#6




No bezel and everything on the front of the CP.

I think #4 is out.  Too weighted to one side.  #6 seems too busy on the front of the CP but I do like #5.  So now I think it is between #3 and #5.

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« Reply #56 on: June 12, 2018, 07:53:45 pm »
I say none of the above and do the following :)

Or even better swap the 2 around, so exit and pause under monitor and rest on front of control panel  almost guaranteed not to press exit by accident then :)

Would look sweet with a credit reject as the coin up :) Not sure if would fit though.

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« Reply #57 on: June 12, 2018, 08:06:39 pm »
I like the idea of making it symmetrical.  I played with it a little more and I think I'm going with this:

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I'm also thinking of ditching the bottom button altogether... for aesthetics.  I guess I could shift PAUSE to "Down+ COIN" as was suggested.  This would keep the front of the CP clean... but I really want a PAUSE button because I think my son will need it. 

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« Reply #58 on: June 13, 2018, 10:50:14 am »
My vote is still with a coin reject button for coin up on the front, Tell me if it won't fit and I'll drop the matter  >:D

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« Reply #59 on: June 13, 2018, 12:45:13 pm »
My vote is still with a coin reject button for coin up on the front, Tell me if it won't fit and I'll drop the matter  >:D

Not a bad idea.  It would be neat to get something to work - doesn't have to match the other buttons - and then maybe the lone button wouldn't look so out of place.  I'll have to think about this - should be easy enough to add any time in the build process if I choose to do so (assuming it fits, of course).

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Last night I made the Admin Panel with the 4 button symmetrical layout:



It came out nice - I'm trying to figure out how to mount this to the cabinet and also incorporate the monitor glass directly above it somehow.  I may end up rounding over the top (or making a 45 degree angle) that will touch the glass and glue a couple of strips of 1/8" hardboard to the back to make a channel so the monitor will have somewhere to rest.  Adding the Admin Panel also means that the monitor glass will sit 1/2" into the cabinet body instead of 1/4" like all of the other panels all the way around.  If I offset the Admin Panel by 1/4" and the monitor glass is going to sit flush behind it, since the Admin Panel is 1/4" that will mean the glass is 1/2" from the edge.  Like this:



Still kicking this around. 

The other thing I did last night was lay out the Control Panel.  I didn't drill any holes yet and I was sweating this out because I wasn't 100% sure everything would fit.  It does - barely.  The joystick I'm using is a ServoStik so there is a pretty large footprint with the motor attached to the side.  I only have to move the joystick 1/2" closer to the buttons than it would normally be if I had all the space I wanted, which is great.  Virtually no compromise there. 





Looking at this now, I have to raise everything by about 1/2" because the bottom of the motor may hit the front panel of the Control Panel where it is shown now.  Also, I'm not sure if you can tell but there is a line at the top of the Control Panel with some "x"s above it - this material needs to be removed so it will actually end up a little smaller than what is shown.  I made the panel long for now because that cut will be at the angle the Control Panel meets the admin panel and I' have to make some test cuts first. 

I am planning on mounting the joystick underneath the panel and NOT routing out any material.  The panel is only 1/2" so I think this will be fine. 

It's coming together... slowly.  I really want to get going on the artwork but I need to know the exact measurements of each panel before trying to get something made.  Also, with the "new" Admin panel, I may need some artwork for that as well.  I'm at a bit of a loss since I don't know how to use Photoshop or any digital art program.  I'll probably end up commissioning someone at DeviantArt to make something for me. 

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« Reply #60 on: June 14, 2018, 06:39:47 pm »
Ugh.  I wanted to drill the holes for the CP tonight and finish that piece but I didn't feel comfortable after drilling some test holes.  The button bezel barely covered the hole.  By like a hair.  I have 30mm buttons but a 1-1/4" forstner bit.  So I ordered a 30mm bit from Amazon that will be here Saturday.  I did manage to trim the top of the CP at a 51 degree angle so it will sit flush with the monitor glass and I'm in the process of gluing the front panel together (I figure I can drill the button holes after the fact).

It seems like I get about 10 minutes worth of work done even though I spend an hour each night after work.   :banghead:

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« Reply #61 on: June 14, 2018, 10:42:47 pm »
Looking good there Jav!

I hear you about 1 hour = 10 minutes of work. been there. Hang in there buddy, if you get in a hurry you are more likely to mess up, trust me I know. LOL

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« Reply #62 on: June 15, 2018, 12:13:00 am »
looking at the control panel there doesn't seem to be much room to rest your palm to play comfortably, is it too late or even possible to move the buttons and joystick further up the panel ???

i made mistake on a 2 player bartop where player one was too far left so the players fingers were over the side on the joystick, redid the panel and moved the controls 50mm inwards.

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« Reply #63 on: June 15, 2018, 01:03:20 pm »
The fewer screws you use the worse they will sound.  2 is enough; 4 is right. 

The paper cone is the part that moves and makes sound, not the bracket.

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Just cause I have a project with similar speaker mounting method: Why do they sound better with 4 screws per speaker VS 2 screws?

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« Reply #64 on: June 15, 2018, 02:28:10 pm »
Looking good there Jav!

I hear you about 1 hour = 10 minutes of work. been there. Hang in there buddy, if you get in a hurry you are more likely to mess up, trust me I know. LOL

yeah - my life is crazy busy all the time because of the kids and all the activities.  Plus, I don't have a proper workspace.  It takes me 20 minutes just to get the tools out and set up!  Summer should hopefully slow down a little bit.  In my head I keep thinking I'm almost finished and then when I sit down and stare at it I realize there are a million little things to do and figure out.  It's all good though - this is supposed to be fun!

looking at the control panel there doesn't seem to be much room to rest your palm to play comfortably, is it too late or even possible to move the buttons and joystick further up the panel ???

i made mistake on a 2 player bartop where player one was too far left so the players fingers were over the side on the joystick, redid the panel and moved the controls 50mm inwards.

I already moved everything "up" by 1/2", which I think is as far as I can go.  The CP pictured actually needed to be trimmed by about 1" at the top in order to fit.  That cut was on an angle so I purposely left it long while I laid everything out.  It feels comfortable to me even with my giant hands but I guess I won't really know until it is too late.   ;D

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« Reply #65 on: June 15, 2018, 05:09:16 pm »
Ah, no problem, thought it was worth a mention :)

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« Reply #66 on: June 15, 2018, 10:48:11 pm »
Just cause I have a project with similar speaker mounting method: Why do they sound better with 4 screws per speaker VS 2 screws?

That big round magnet on the back of the speaker?  It pushes and pulls the paper cone in and out thousands of times per second with the AC audio signal.   

2 screws might be enough, but the point is that the more secure you can make the bracket, the better the speaker will perform.  It probably won't matter with drivers of this size, but if it's no big deal -- why not sink a few more screws?

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« Reply #67 on: June 16, 2018, 08:14:06 am »

That big round magnet on the back of the speaker?  It pushes and pulls the paper cone in and out thousands of times per second with the AC audio signal.   

2 screws might be enough, but the point is that the more secure you can make the bracket, the better the speaker will perform.  It probably won't matter with drivers of this size, but if it's no big deal -- why not sink a few more screws?

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So is it the frame is more likely to vibrate with 2 instead of 4? Or is there danger of just the two working loose?

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« Reply #68 on: June 16, 2018, 04:45:35 pm »
Im still curious what software and hardware is going to run inside this.Looks a really nice build,but i wonder how you could possibly have anything running rocketlauncher squashed inside.I honestly think before planning out button placement,you should look into software youll be using,and how it could impact your button choice.

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« Reply #69 on: June 17, 2018, 09:39:06 am »
Im still curious what software and hardware is going to run inside this.Looks a really nice build,but i wonder how you could possibly have anything running rocketlauncher squashed inside.I honestly think before planning out button placement,you should look into software youll be using,and how it could impact your button choice.

I'm most likely going to be using a Raspberry Pi 3B+ inside running RetroPie.  The plan is to customize the layout to only run arcade games.  I want to be able to play some fighting games (SF, MK, etc.) so that is what is guiding the button layout.  I have never even heard of RocketLauncher but I'm not 100% sold yet on any set up and I'm willing to learn.  I would like to use a computer and Windows XP running MAME and MaLa because that is what I'm most familiar with but there isn't enough room.

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« Reply #70 on: June 17, 2018, 04:34:18 pm »
Still moving very slow.  Having some trouble with the back panel and the hinge for the access door.  Seems like no matter what I am going to have a small gap.  I routed out mortises for the hinges so they sit flush but when the panel closes there is still a 1/16" gap.  Not the end of the world and it's on the back of the cab so it won't even be seen most of the time but there are the stupid things slowing me down.

Other than the CP, all construction should be finished today so I can start thinking about prime/paint.   :cheers:

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« Reply #71 on: June 18, 2018, 10:14:05 am »
Small update:

I got the rear panel installation finished yesterday and I'm pretty happy with how it came out all things considered.  I mortised the hinges trying to get a tight fit and I did even though there is still a slight gap... but after thinking about it, the gap is unavoidable.  Now of course I'm worried that the paint job will add a layer of thickness that will screw things up.  This is how my stupid brain works.

I used my router to make the cuts and a chisel to clean things up to the edges to get a clean line.  Chiseling MDF is not fun.  I also don't have a vice and I had to clamp the panels to the side of my work bench.  Even still the router wasn't perfect because at the edges there wasn't anything to support the router base so the cuts got a little wonky.  It's all good in the end though.

I laid the hinges out to line up exactly with the volume knob and power socket on the lower panel.  Just thought it would look nice.



Once I figured out where I wanted them to go, I used the hinges to actually draw the pencil lines.



Here's where you can see the routed out edges.  Not my neatest job but nothing you will see on the finished product.  You can also see the clamping nightmare I'm dealing with just to set this up.  Getting the 2 panels flush and clamped to the edge of my work bench took WAY longer than it should have taken.  A third arm would have come in handy...



And here's a close up so you can see the true ugliness of this effort.  I was sweating more than I should have been in the 95 degree heat because I thought I ruined the panels and redoing it all was going to set me back a week.



I put it all together, including the cabinet lock, to see how it would look and it's not 1/2 bad!  Nice placement on the hinges and barely any gap!  Once this is painted black no one will notice (I hope) and also it's the back of the cab so um... yeah.  Don't look back there!



With the rear panel open, there is plenty of room to get in there if I have to.  I need to figure out a "stop" for the door though.  The lock allows the door to be pulled out about 1/8" and not sit flush.  I bought a magnet so I'll probably install that in the top left or right corner of the door panel so the door can catch onto something.



Apologies for the potato quality pics.  I took them quickly because the dog started eating my daughter's new sandals and there was yelling involved so I got distracted.  I'll try to take some more pics tonight.

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« Reply #72 on: June 18, 2018, 11:04:41 am »
Look pretty nice to me!

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« Reply #73 on: June 18, 2018, 11:06:03 am »
Looks like you're making some great progress.  :applaud:


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« Reply #74 on: June 18, 2018, 12:12:46 pm »
Look pretty nice to me!

Looks like you're making some great progress.  :applaud:

Thanks guys!  It is coming out nice but going much slower than I had hoped.  My son's birthday is in 2 weeks and there is basically no way I'll finish in time.  It's OK though - he's getting a cell phone for his birthday (send help!) so this is just icing on the cake.

Before painting, I still have to:
  • Make one more cut on the top panel so that the marquee light won't create a shadow (exactly the same thing I did to the speaker panel under the marquee).
  • Round over the control panel.  I have a 1/4" roundover bit that I did some tests on and I think it might be too big of a curve - 1/8" would probably be better.  I could also sand, but then I worry about making it even enough so the CP artwork can roll over the edge without making bubbles.  I'm not totally sure what to do and I'd rather not buy another router bit for one cut if I can avoid it.
  • Cut 2 of the speaker panel battons so that the monitor glass will be able to slide up behind the panel and be held in place. I made these a little long initially.

Still thinking about all of this but I really want to be ready for primer on Wednesday...  I am going to paint BEFORE gluing everything up so that everything goes on smooth.  The plan is to use Duratex on the back and top panels to give it a durable textured finish.  I used this stuff on a bunch of speakers I made last summer and loved the way they came out.  The other visible parts of the cabinet (sides, CP and admin panel) will be covered by artwork so I'm only going to prime and sand.

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« Reply #75 on: June 18, 2018, 12:33:25 pm »
I would use the 1/4" round over router bit. Can't wait to see this finished but don't rush it too much. You'll be glad you were patient and took your time. ;)



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« Reply #76 on: June 19, 2018, 10:41:21 am »
I would use the 1/4" round over router bit. Can't wait to see this finished but don't rush it too much. You'll be glad you were patient and took your time. ;)

I caved and bought an $8 1/8" roundover bit.  ;D  I figured in the grand scheme of things I'd be happier spending the $8 to do it the way I want.  The corners of the side panels are closer to 1/8" because I just sanded them down myself until they were round but I didn't remove that much material.  This should make the CP curve match a little better... I hope.

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I took a few more pics of the cabinet in its current state and am starting to have some concerns about the placement of the admin panel in relation to the joystick and action buttons as explained in the video.  I am not good at making videos but I like watching other people's so I figure something is better than nothing!

Here's a front shot of where things stand currently.  You can see the very top panel still needs to be beveled to match the speaker panel.  That's about it though.  Pretty much ready for paint.



Here's a shot of the back with the access door closed.  The gaps aren't bad at all.  Certainly better than I initially thought.  The only thing missing is the volume knob, which will go in the lower left where the hole is.



This what it will look like with the door opened up.  Plenty of room for my giant hands to work on the inside of this thing when it is all finished.  Getting this put together actually made me start to think about final assembly.  There are certain panels I may not want to glue in place permanently.  For example, there is not enough room above the speaker panel to remove or swap out the speakers should something go wrong down the line.  I may need to rely on screws only here otherwise I'll have to install the speaker and then glue the panel in place (and even then, how would I wire it?).



Check out the sweet hinge that I installed flush to the edge of each panel...



And here it is in action!  How exciting!

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The next picture shows where the admin panel MAY go.  I'm having second thoughts, which I explain in the video below.



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Anyone have any thoughts or experience with admin buttons mounted below the screen?  I'd like to place them there but I will really be annoyed if I'm accidentally exiting games because of moving the joystick around.  I'm less concerned about the buttons in the middle (P1/P2 Start) or on the right (Coin) because hitting those won't really affect anything.
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« Reply #77 on: June 19, 2018, 12:02:56 pm »
I think your concern on the admin buttons is valid. I think they would work well in front of the panel the way you showed in the video.


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« Reply #78 on: June 19, 2018, 05:25:53 pm »
Nice work. Following  along..

Not seen a shot with the screen in yet..you gonna have much of a bezel?

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« Reply #79 on: June 19, 2018, 05:26:37 pm »
Side pinball buttons?

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« Reply #80 on: June 19, 2018, 09:01:31 pm »
Nice work. Following  along..

Not seen a shot with the screen in yet..you gonna have much of a bezel?

The monitor fits exactly in between the 2 side panels - in the case.  There will be about 3/4" on each side and maybe 1" or so on the top and bottom.... It fits.  Probably.  I think...

Side pinball buttons?

Nope.  No pinball on this cab.  The monitor will be horizontal and it will be painful enough to play vertical classics like Pac-Man and Donkey Kong on it...  In the spirit of keeping things simple I don't want the extra buttons.   :cheers:

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« Reply #81 on: Yesterday at 09:26:47 am »
Here's a shot of the monitor (running the RetroPie build in my Raspberry Pi NES case).  It fits pretty easily.  I need to figure out how to hold the 1/8" monitor glass in place as well as how to mount the monitor.  I'm going to lose the Vesa mount once I decase it.


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« Reply #82 on: Yesterday at 09:42:28 am »
Is there a reason for decasing it?

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« Reply #83 on: Yesterday at 10:08:16 am »
Is there a reason for decasing it?

Good question.  I think so.  The bezel around the monitor angles in as you can see in the pic and this will create about a 1/4" gap between the monitor glass/bezel and the actual screen.  I am going to order a piece of 1/8" smoked gray tempered glass and spray the back of it black leaving the rectangle for the screen to show through.  If I decase it, I can mount the screen directly to the back of the glass (using strong tape or something) and it will actually end up being slightly closer to the player making the screen seem ever slightly bigger.

Also, by opening up the case I can relocate the admin buttons for the screen to somewhere that can easily be reached should the need arise.

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« Reply #84 on: Yesterday at 10:14:58 am »
It seems like a bunch of work for no real gain. An eight of an inch is not going to make the screen look bigger.  It seems like a can of worms that doesn't need to be opened. That being said, I am sure it will look good either way. You know what you are doing.

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« Reply #85 on: Yesterday at 03:50:21 pm »
It seems like a bunch of work for no real gain. An eight of an inch is not going to make the screen look bigger.  It seems like a can of worms that doesn't need to be opened. That being said, I am sure it will look good either way. You know what you are doing.

I agree but I've already opened the monitor up as soon as it arrived at the house because that was the original plan.  There are only 4 screws holding the case together.  I got a little scared because it wasn't what I expected so I closed it up.  The screen is literally just the screen - about 1/4" thick, if that.  The other monitors I've messed around with (Dell 19" mostly) all have removable plastic bezels but still retain the Vesa mount and everything inside.

I think I can get the finished product to look a little nicer with it decased so that's the rationale.  I think I'm going to try.  Maybe.

  
 

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