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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #280 on: July 23, 2018, 02:20:01 pm »
I was planning on using GameOnGrafix.

I do not know how to make the art for a bezel.  If you are talking about making an actual bezel like a piece of MDF or plywood with a hole cut out of the middle that's easy.  Draw the rectangle, rough cut with jigsaw (using drill to make pilot holes in the corners so you can get the blade in there).  Use a router and flush trim bit to clean up the edges to the line.  Use a Japanese hand saw or a sharp chisel to clean up the corners.  Easy peasy.

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #281 on: July 23, 2018, 03:01:27 pm »
I was planning on using GameOnGrafix.

I do not know how to make the art for a bezel.  If you are talking about making an actual bezel like a piece of MDF or plywood with a hole cut out of the middle that's easy.  Draw the rectangle, rough cut with jigsaw (using drill to make pilot holes in the corners so you can get the blade in there).  Use a router and flush trim bit to clean up the edges to the line.  Use a Japanese hand saw or a sharp chisel to clean up the corners.  Easy peasy.

Oh that's not bad at all.

Do most people put plexiglass or something less reflective over the bezel and monitor?

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #282 on: July 23, 2018, 03:28:00 pm »
I have only used gray tinted glass for scratch builds.  I do not like plexi.  Also, you may not even need a bezel if you use glass.  You could spray the back of the glass (masking off the monitor area).  You could use matte board between the glass and the monitor.  There are a few different ways you can go.

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #283 on: July 23, 2018, 07:36:38 pm »
I have only used gray tinted glass for scratch builds.  I do not like plexi.  Also, you may not even need a bezel if you use glass.  You could spray the back of the glass (masking off the monitor area).  You could use matte board between the glass and the monitor.  There are a few different ways you can go.

How do people usually mount the marquee so it fits within the wood if they have T-molding around it?  IE, how do you make the marquee print snug against the T-molding?

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #284 on: July 23, 2018, 09:53:01 pm »
I'm having a hard time finding artwork that can fit what I need it to do.

For example: I found a 4 MB file on Google and I exported it out of Photoshop at 300 DPI, and it looks like garbage..

Image I used:

I thought for sure that would be large enough to put on my front.. but when I export it at 300 DPI, it looks like this up close at 100% :

Do I really need to find vector art or commission some in order to print at any quality large enough for an arcade?  I really thought 4MB would be big enough.

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #285 on: July 23, 2018, 10:05:19 pm »
Additionally, added bottom of marquee with routed t-molding and speaker piece.

Right now the space for a marquee would be 5 5/8Ē c 32... which seems small. Or I could use the T-molding portion and get to 7Ē, but I assume that would be a dead light spot



Control panel fits.

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #286 on: July 24, 2018, 05:25:04 am »
Hire an artist. They know what they are doing.

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #287 on: July 24, 2018, 07:20:26 am »
Hire an artist. They know what they are doing.

My question is whether or not a 4K-ish file really isnít a high enough resolution for printing, and if I need to only use vector art.

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #288 on: July 24, 2018, 08:09:36 am »
Your question means that you don't know enough about computer graphics to do a good job. Save yourself a disaster and hire someone. The artwork is visible all the time. If it sucks, you will be irritated every time you look at it.

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #289 on: July 24, 2018, 09:40:09 am »
Dots per inch Is relatively straight forward. If my
Marquee is 7x32 and I was 300 DPI I would need a resolution of 2100x9600.I get that.

I was under the impression you could use existing art for a marquee or other smaller parts.

It seems as if you have information but are purposely avoiding giving it- which is what confuses me.

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #290 on: July 24, 2018, 09:53:30 am »
You are confused because you are wrong. I don't know jack about digital artwork. Although my pen drawings have been called transcendent.

I have an artist incubating a project for me because I am not an artist.

You should know by now that I don't play games like that. I would just tell you that I am not disclosing my valuable information to you.

If I could help you I would. Hiring an artist is the best way to go.

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #291 on: July 24, 2018, 10:02:53 am »
Please tell me how Iím wrong...


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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #292 on: July 24, 2018, 10:04:57 am »
Doofus. You are wrong about me withholding information from you. What part of I don't know jack about digital art did you not understand?

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #293 on: July 24, 2018, 10:05:15 am »
I have seen Mike's artistic talent and it really is unbelievable.  I have no idea whether a 4MB file prints big enough for your cab - just print it in black and white and find out for yourself. 

That said, if you don't have experience with creating artwork then look into hiring someone or buying some stock art and cut it to fit your cab.  There are TONS of people around here with the ability to provide something nice or at least share the art they have used previously.  There is a sick SF cab I'll try to dig up with custom art and everything that might work.

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #294 on: July 24, 2018, 10:09:17 am »
Doofus. You are wrong about me withholding information from you. What part of I don't know jack about digital art did you not understand?


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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #295 on: July 24, 2018, 10:11:34 am »
I have seen Mike's artistic talent and it really is unbelievable.  I have no idea whether a 4MB file prints big enough for your cab - just print it in black and white and find out for yourself. 

That said, if you don't have experience with creating artwork then look into hiring someone or buying some stock art and cut it to fit your cab.  There are TONS of people around here with the ability to provide something nice or at least share the art they have used previously.  There is a sick SF cab I'll try to dig up with custom art and everything that might work.

I'm trying to stick to MvC, preferably Infinite or non-versioned.  The weird part is the artwork I've found for MvC2/3 is lower resolution. 

To be fair it could be the person protecting their IP, but I'm surprised that I can't find scaleable MvC anywhere.

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #296 on: July 24, 2018, 10:12:02 am »
Wait until you post your horrible collage of other people's artwork. You will see my laser beam eyes.

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #297 on: July 24, 2018, 10:25:36 am »
Please tell me how Iím wrong...



For reference the control panel image that the artist I hired made (raster image) is roughly 250MB, and it has a lot of black space.  The side art is roughly 750MB.  The number of dots per inch (DPI) can be misleading.  In photoshop  you can take any image and make it become 300DPI that doesnít mean that each pixel will look good if it wasnít originally created in 300DPI.  There are ways of using Photoshop to interpret the closest pixels when increasing the pixel density to try to get a clearer image (I think itís called ďnearest neighborĒ.  Iíll leave that explanation to someone more experienced.  I think Opt2not gave a quick tip on a previous thread.  I would also suggest hiring someone or using previously created work.  Having a permanent always visible reminder of a smudgy image 6ft tall will probably always annoy you.

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #298 on: July 24, 2018, 10:30:46 am »
Wait until you post your horrible collage of other people's artwork. You will see my laser beam eyes.

I don't have the strength today.

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #299 on: July 24, 2018, 10:33:02 am »

For reference the control panel image that the artist I hired made (raster image) is roughly 250MB, and it has a lot of black space.  The side art is roughly 750MB.  The number of dots per inch (DPI) can be misleading.  In photoshop  you can take any image and make it become 300DPI that doesnít mean that each pixel will look good if it wasnít originally created in 300DPI.  There are ways of using Photoshop to interpret the closest pixels when increasing the pixel density to try to get a clearer image (I think itís called ďnearest neighborĒ.  Iíll leave that explanation to someone more experienced.  I think Opt2not gave a quick tip on a previous thread.  I would also suggest hiring someone or using previously created work.  Having a permanent always visible reminder of a smudgy image 6ft tall will probably always annoy you.

Point taken, I should have stated that I would want art "created at" 300 or greater DPI.

I guess my brain blocker here again is, it's hard for me to believe that this hasn't been done before and is not available somewhere to prevent me from spending $1000+ on artwork.

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« Reply #300 on: July 24, 2018, 10:40:28 am »

For reference the control panel image that the artist I hired made (raster image) is roughly 250MB, and it has a lot of black space.  The side art is roughly 750MB.  The number of dots per inch (DPI) can be misleading.  In photoshop  you can take any image and make it become 300DPI that doesnít mean that each pixel will look good if it wasnít originally created in 300DPI.  There are ways of using Photoshop to interpret the closest pixels when increasing the pixel density to try to get a clearer image (I think itís called ďnearest neighborĒ.  Iíll leave that explanation to someone more experienced.  I think Opt2not gave a quick tip on a previous thread.  I would also suggest hiring someone or using previously created work.  Having a permanent always visible reminder of a smudgy image 6ft tall will probably always annoy you.

Point taken, I should have stated that I would want art "created at" 300 or greater DPI.

I guess my brain blocker here again is, it's hard for me to believe that this hasn't been done before and is not available somewhere to prevent me from spending $1000+ on artwork.

Artwork is not $1000+ but it is a significant expense.  You should be able to do it for under $200 though.

Do a search here for "marvel" in the project announcements forum.  There are a few scratch built MvC cabs.  You could PM those guys for the art files.  It's a start at least.

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #301 on: July 24, 2018, 10:46:40 am »

Artwork is not $1000+ but it is a significant expense.  You should be able to do it for under $200 though.

Do a search here for "marvel" in the project announcements forum.  There are a few scratch built MvC cabs.  You could PM those guys for the art files.  It's a start at least.

Good call, I will start to do that.  I've PMed a few I stumbled across, but nothing so far  :'(

I can start searching though like you suggested.

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« Reply #302 on: July 24, 2018, 10:59:28 am »
Point taken, I should have stated that I would want art "created at" 300 or greater DPI.

I guess my brain blocker here again is, it's hard for me to believe that this hasn't been done before and is not available somewhere to prevent me from spending $1000+ on artwork.

Have you tired using the Tools in Google search under Images to filter for content of a certain size?

Doing a search there I see a number of 12+ Megapixel images of Marvel vs Capcom.
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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #303 on: July 24, 2018, 11:37:11 am »
Dots per inch Is relatively straight forward. If myMarquee is 7x32 and I was 300 DPI I would need a resolution of 2100x9600.I get that.

I was under the impression you could use existing art for a marquee or other smaller parts.
Im going to over simplify, as to not overwhelm.

Raster = dots , vector = lines

When you scale up a raster image in photoshop it polls the pixels. If bi/trilinear filtering is on it "smooths out" the image but makes it blurry. If nearest neighbor is on , it keeps the image blocky. Scaling up a raster rarely results in a good looking image. But if you only adjust the size a little, its not always noticeable.

If you have a vector, it scales up and down without any quality loss. There are no dots to smooth out and lines can scale without loss of quality.

Vectorizing existing art is just drawing lines/shapes overtop of existing art, converting the dots to lines. It is a VERY tedious process to manually, and the results of automated vectoring isn't always good.

Art wont cost you a grand but it can really make a project look protato.
There are tons of high resolution raster art pieces and a ton of vector art for marvel vs Capcom and a ton of marvel stuff in general. There are also tons of artists on deviant that'd love to get hired to do something custom.
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« Reply #304 on: July 24, 2018, 11:44:55 am »

Have you tired using the Tools in Google search under Images to filter for content of a certain size?

Doing a search there I see a number of 12+ Megapixel images of Marvel vs Capcom.

I did, that's one of the images that I reference above, and what I tried to explain that I did.  Mike seems to suggest that it would not be a goo idea to do that since I would create blurry artwork.

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Mike seems to suggest that it would not be a goo idea to do that since I would create blurry artwork.

Where did I say that?

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« Reply #306 on: July 24, 2018, 11:57:42 am »

Have you tired using the Tools in Google search under Images to filter for content of a certain size?

Doing a search there I see a number of 12+ Megapixel images of Marvel vs Capcom.

I did, that's one of the images that I reference above, and what I tried to explain that I did.  Mike seems to suggest that it would not be a goo idea to do that since I would create blurry artwork.

I think Malenkoís explanation is very good.  In general scaling up raster images is tuff.  You probably can as he/I suggested find stuff that is high enough resolution.  Only way to know for sure is to pull down the image and zoom in to the scale of your print and see how clear it is. 

Also as he suggested, and as I personally prefer, itís a lot cooler to have unique artwork done for your cab.  I was shocked at how cheap artists are willing to work for, it really is an under appreciated field.  Deviant art is good, I had luck on Fiverr as well.

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #307 on: July 24, 2018, 11:59:39 am »
Im going to over simplify, as to not overwhelm.

Raster = dots , vector = lines

When you scale up a raster image in photoshop it polls the pixels. If bi/trilinear filtering is on it "smooths out" the image but makes it blurry. If nearest neighbor is on , it keeps the image blocky. Scaling up a raster rarely results in a good looking image. But if you only adjust the size a little, its not always noticeable.

If you have a vector, it scales up and down without any quality loss. There are no dots to smooth out and lines can scale without loss of quality.

Vectorizing existing art is just drawing lines/shapes overtop of existing art, converting the dots to lines. It is a VERY tedious process to manually, and the results of automated vectoring isn't always good.

Art wont cost you a grand but it can really make a project look protato.
There are tons of high resolution raster art pieces and a ton of vector art for marvel vs Capcom and a ton of marvel stuff in general. There are also tons of artists on deviant that'd love to get hired to do something custom.

Maybe I should've started with that I have a functioning digital artwork understanding.  I get the mathematics behind vector art, so if I'm talking about DPI concerns that would only be for rasterized artwork.

My concern was the large rasterized artwork that I found coming out blurry.  (See pictures above)

Do you have a link you can share with me that has good vectorized artwork for MvC stuff?  I can't seem to find any.

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« Reply #308 on: July 24, 2018, 12:03:48 pm »
Where did I say that?

Maybe not blurry.. just that it would be a "disaster."  My heartfelt apologies.

Your question means that you don't know enough about computer graphics to do a good job. Save yourself a disaster and hire someone. The artwork is visible all the time. If it sucks, you will be irritated every time you look at it.

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« Reply #309 on: July 24, 2018, 12:05:32 pm »
I think Malenkoís explanation is very good.  In general scaling up raster images is tuff.  You probably can as he/I suggested find stuff that is high enough resolution.  Only way to know for sure is to pull down the image and zoom in to the scale of your print and see how clear it is. 

Also as he suggested, and as I personally prefer, itís a lot cooler to have unique artwork done for your cab.  I was shocked at how cheap artists are willing to work for, it really is an under appreciated field.  Deviant art is good, I had luck on Fiverr as well.

Deviant art is pretty expensive based on preliminary estimates.  Anything worth it's weight in salt is going between $800 and $5000 right now based on my req.

I can look at fiver. 

I did find someone on the boards though that looks as though they are willing to help me out.  ;D

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« Reply #310 on: July 24, 2018, 12:22:18 pm »
I think Malenkoís explanation is very good.  In general scaling up raster images is tuff.  You probably can as he/I suggested find stuff that is high enough resolution.  Only way to know for sure is to pull down the image and zoom in to the scale of your print and see how clear it is. 

Also as he suggested, and as I personally prefer, itís a lot cooler to have unique artwork done for your cab.  I was shocked at how cheap artists are willing to work for, it really is an under appreciated field.  Deviant art is good, I had luck on Fiverr as well.

Deviant art is pretty expensive based on preliminary estimates.  Anything worth it's weight in salt is going between $800 and $5000 right now based on my req.

I can look at fiver. 

I did find someone on the boards though that looks as though they are willing to help me out.  ;D

LOL $5000. 

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« Reply #312 on: July 24, 2018, 01:57:45 pm »
Maybe I should've started with that I have a functioning digital artwork understanding.  I get the mathematics behind vector art, so if I'm talking about DPI concerns that would only be for rasterized artwork.

My concern was the large rasterized artwork that I found coming out blurry.  (See pictures above)

Do you have a link you can share with me that has good vectorized artwork for MvC stuff?  I can't seem to find any.
I don't know what you don't know, so I have to answer based on you knowing zilch.
DPI concerns aren't just for rasters, especially when printing, so Im still unsure exactly how much you do know.  I google image search "marvel capcom vector" and found numerous results, in vector format (both AI and PSD).

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Someone giving you bad information doesn't make it true. Unless you are a giant pain in the butt that changes his mind all the time and expects infinite revisions; you're looking at probably around $600 or $700 tops for a competent artist to create a one of a kind piece. No I'm not for hire. You could probably get snaaaake to do it for less if you're good with editing existing art and not flat out creating new stuff. He knows what he's doing.

Javeryh just hired a guy from deviant to his latest bartop , so he's got recent insight into exactly what you're asking about.  There is no way $5,000 is an acceptable price point unless you're griff-rich.  All you really need is the 1 side (other side can be mirrored) and the marquee. Control panel is usually pretty simple.
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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #314 on: July 24, 2018, 02:18:50 pm »
Maybe this is the real question I have:

Is there a way if I find high res rasterized art.. that there is an easy way to determine if I can use it to print.. other than switching it to 300 DPI (if it isn't already) and viewing a swatch at 100% of the print size?

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #315 on: July 24, 2018, 02:44:23 pm »
Don't search by file type. Use the search tools and search by transparent, that should help narrow them down.
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« Reply #317 on: July 24, 2018, 04:11:01 pm »
Don't search by file type. Use the search tools and search by transparent, that should help narrow them down.

I am finding a lot of PNG's that way, but not necessarily any vector files that I can easily scale.. unless you are suggesting to use the expansion tools in PS to allow size increasing.

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #318 on: July 24, 2018, 04:12:31 pm »
Now - click on the Images list instead of All !

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Yeah, but then it still doesn't have .ai or other vector file formats.

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #319 on: July 26, 2018, 08:30:25 pm »
So I cut out squares instead of ovals...   :dunno





Iím trying to fill in with wood putty, but the second I take the coin door and vault out I am assuming the putty will crumble.

So I need a plan to be able to take them out so that I can paint/put artwork on cabinet when itís time.

I just need to remember NOT TO CUT the artwork into SQUARES.