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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #80 on: May 19, 2018, 09:37:41 pm »
I'm pretty sure you will need a pedestal for this. I think I covered how to do it already.
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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #81 on: May 19, 2018, 09:46:41 pm »
I'm pretty sure you will need a pasta for this. I think I covered how to do it already.
You suggested a podium, which Iím not interested in. 

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #82 on: May 19, 2018, 10:16:36 pm »
Change the angle of the CP to 5 degrees.  Generally the back panel is 1" taller than the front but your CP is so big that you may have to go to 1-1/4" or more.  10 degrees is way too steep, IMO.  You may also have trouble with the trackball not rolling as smooth as it should because of gravity.

For structural support, build a u-shaped column underneath it in the center that sticks out from the bottom front panel - there are lots of ways to make this look nice.  Something like this (not perfect but you get the idea): 


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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #83 on: May 19, 2018, 10:23:46 pm »
Change the angle of the CP to 5 degrees.  Generally the back panel is 1" taller than the front but your CP is so big that you may have to go to 1-1/4" or more.  10 degrees is way too steep, IMO.  You may also have trouble with the trackball not rolling as smooth as it should because of gravity.

For structural support, build a u-shaped column underneath it in the center that sticks out from the bottom front panel - there are lots of ways to make this look nice.  Something like this (not perfect but you get the idea): 


Very interesting.

Any idea what angle the display is on this example?

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #84 on: May 19, 2018, 10:38:39 pm »
I hope some little kid doesnt jump up and hang from the center 2 sticks or else you you'll have to use their college fund for funeral expenses.
I was never a fan of the cab you based this design on, and you somehow found a way to make it worse by making it thin profiled.  Have you considered a more NBA Jam shaped control panel? Hope you have great medical insurance too, so you can get carpal tunnel surgery from that CP angle after you're done burying children.
Besides the much appreciated well-wishes for my health and finances, which part of the NBA Jam CP are you referring to?  That it's rectangular or there is "more" space in your opinion for your hands/arms than mine has to properly rest on?

I can from images the NBA Jam CP is taller so it would only result in forearm surgery or taller kids hanging from the center sticks, so is that what you mean?  Or is there a single shotgun blast that fires when someone does that on the NBA Jam cabinet I have forgotten?
I think Malenko is referring to the shape of the CP.  He's not a fan of the aircraft carrier design.

His carpal tunnel comment is due to the extreme downward slant of the CP.  You might want to straighten it up a little.

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #85 on: May 20, 2018, 05:43:24 am »
I don't normally suggest this, but I think the OP should consider buying a cab. It doesn't seem like he has the skill set to build a cab. I  don't want to insult you, but there are so many red flags in all of these posts. It seems like you are in over your head.

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #86 on: May 20, 2018, 08:59:51 am »
I think Malenko is referring to the shape of the CP.  He's not a fan of the aircraft carrier design.

His carpal tunnel comment is due to the extreme downward slant of the CP.  You might want to straighten it up a little.

You got it! But the kid grabbing the joysticks comment is more about the center mass of the cab. I don't think they'll be much unsprung weight to the cab so it will be very prone to tipping unless hes going to fill the bottom with sandbags or weights. The angle of the CP just adds to the problem. Here's my CP for my old 4 player MAME cab, exact same dimensions as NBA Jam/Open Ice/ NFL Blitz (ya know, actual 4 player games)


Changes made:
aligned the sticks so that smash TV, Karate Champ, Robotron, etc could be played on each set of sticks
adjusted the button positions for player 4 a little bit
added more buttons to the center players
had a button UNDER the CP, wired to ESC
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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #87 on: May 20, 2018, 09:24:15 am »
Any idea what angle the display is on this example?

Well it's a random pic from the internet so I have no idea but if I had to guess I'd say around 5 degrees, like most cabs.

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #88 on: May 20, 2018, 11:00:57 am »
I don't normally suggest this, but I think the OP should consider buying a cab. It doesn't seem like he has the skill set to build a cab. I  don't want to insult you, but there are so many red flags in all of these posts. It seems like you are in over your head.
May I direct your attention to the title of the thread?

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #89 on: May 20, 2018, 11:29:03 am »
The title is the first red flag.

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #90 on: May 20, 2018, 12:18:53 pm »
The title is the first red flag.
I hereby officially dub this:

Project: Red Flag


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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #91 on: May 20, 2018, 12:34:37 pm »
Back to more interesting endeavors... of mocking out my control panel...

Since FedEx had problems.. I printed out the .pdf on my fancy Epson XP-440 and measured the CP length-wise and it appears to be what I expected.  It's just over 53 1/4 freedom units (inches) or roughly the 1358mm that Sketchup is telling me.  So that means I'm in business.

She's a big girl, well suited for her state's love of cheese, beer, and brats.  Maybe I'll use that as my theme.




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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #92 on: May 20, 2018, 01:02:59 pm »
That is 20 inches wider than a Konami 4p control panel. It is way too big. I am the only one giving you the right advice right now. Don't build this. Your design is terrible from top to bottom.

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #93 on: May 20, 2018, 01:29:40 pm »
That is 20 inches wider than a Konami 4p control panel. It is way too big. I am the only one giving you the right advice right now. Don't build this. Your design is terrible from top to bottom.
Yup itís a big girl.  Itís actually smaller than a few people wanted me to make it based on the input Iíve recieved believe it or not.

But thatís why we mock it up huh?

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #94 on: May 20, 2018, 01:37:53 pm »
Nobody who knows what they are doing would ever suggest a larger control panel than you are proposing. You don't have to mock it up to realize it is way too big. I am not entirely sure you are for real.

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #95 on: May 20, 2018, 01:54:56 pm »
Well itís a good thing Iím mocking it out then so I can come to the same conclusion as you, right?

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #96 on: May 20, 2018, 02:09:22 pm »
Good luck with your build. You obviously don't want my advice so I will stop providing it.

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #97 on: May 20, 2018, 02:11:45 pm »
**Observations... I like the big look of it, but keep in mind moving it and doorways, at best keep the width around 34" after the C/p is removed, The tilt of the c/p is a bit much, not only will it be uncomfortable to play for extended periods but your going to get spilled drinks all over it. 2 players is all you need, lots of elbow room for fighter games....And that 4slot coin door is hands down the dumbest thing Jenn has ever seen put to steel.

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #98 on: May 20, 2018, 02:50:10 pm »
Good luck with your build. You obviously don't want my advice so I will stop providing it.

You BARELY came to that conclusion? :)
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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #99 on: May 20, 2018, 03:04:06 pm »
I said it was obvious.

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #100 on: May 20, 2018, 03:31:42 pm »
Good luck with your build. You obviously don't want my advice so I will stop providing it.
Thatís a bit dramatic.

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #101 on: May 20, 2018, 03:38:50 pm »
**Observations... I like the big look of it, but keep in mind moving it and doorways, at best keep the width around 34" after the C/p is removed, The tilt of the c/p is a bit much, not only will it be uncomfortable to play for extended periods but your going to get spilled drinks all over it. 2 players is all you need, lots of elbow room for fighter games....And that 4slot coin door is hands down the dumbest thing Jenn has ever seen put to steel.

I would also agree the tilt will come up. Someone told me 5-10, I started at 10.

I havenít concluded I donít want to do 4-players, but without the CP this would be 2í 7 1/2Ē wide or 31 1/2Ē

Iím still middle-ground on a coin door, but it would be 4 or nothing.

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #102 on: May 20, 2018, 04:38:02 pm »
I would also agree the tilt will come up. Someone told me 5-10, I started at 10.

So you think this is 10 degrees?As long as this picture is a true orthographic angle, it isn't. Great to see that you'll follow someones advice, even if its terrible.



I look forward to you being stubborn and doing it your way, I'll be pop corning it up enjoying the show.  Build what you dig.
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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #103 on: May 20, 2018, 05:36:04 pm »
That is 20 inches wider than a Konami 4p control panel. It is way too big. I am the only one giving you the right advice right now. Don't build this. Your design is terrible from top to bottom.
Yup itís a big girl.  Itís actually smaller than a few people wanted me to make it based on the input Iíve recieved believe it or not.

But thatís why we mock it up huh?

You are obviously going to do what you are going to do and I'm actually looking forward to watching how this all turns out but 53-1/4" is absolutely gigantic.  4 and a half feet!!!  It is ridiculously big and there is no scenario where this is the correct solution. 

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« Reply #104 on: May 20, 2018, 05:49:06 pm »
So you think this is 10 degrees?As long as this picture is a true orthographic angle, it isn't.
:laugh2:  Man you guys are a trip.  ďListen to advice!Ē  ďYou listen to terrible advice!Ē

Iíve also already said that the angle is coming down... but just because itís funny to me...

You can clearly see that the picture is not parallel with an X or Y axis, but that didnít stop you from drawing an arbitrary line to ďmeasureĒ my angle and prove me wrong.  :lol

But PLEASE continue to try to make fun me trying to create something that I havenít done before and act like you are holier than though, because itís really damn funny when someone overshoots their shot like this and ends up looking like a jerk and a fool.   :afro:

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« Reply #105 on: May 20, 2018, 05:50:36 pm »
You are obviously going to do what you are going to do and I'm actually looking forward to watching how this all turns out but 53-1/4" is absolutely gigantic.  4 and a half feet!!!  It is ridiculously big and there is no scenario where this is the correct solution.
Yeah, itíll end up shortening like Iíve said, but itís a start to physically mock and feel where I can start to cut out space.

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #106 on: May 20, 2018, 07:36:43 pm »
I don't normally suggest this, but I think the OP should consider buying a cab. It doesn't seem like he has the skill set to build a cab. I  don't want to insult you, but there are so many red flags in all of these posts. It seems like you are in over your head.

You might be right. When someone doesn't want to address a potentail physical hazard that can severely hurt a child, well, that's when I bow out.

Good luck op.

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #107 on: May 20, 2018, 07:38:14 pm »
I don't normally suggest this, but I think the OP should consider buying a cab. It doesn't seem like he has the skill set to build a cab. I  don't want to insult you, but there are so many red flags in all of these posts. It seems like you are in over your head.

You might be right. When someone doesn't want to address a potentail physical hazard that can severely hurt a child, well, that's when I bow out.

Good luck op.

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« Reply #108 on: May 20, 2018, 07:39:49 pm »
You might be right. When someone doesn't want to address a potentail physical hazard that can severely hurt a child, well, that's when I bow out.

Good luck op.
Pretty sure paper and cardboard wonít hurt a child, but you do you.  :dizzy:

The drama in this forum today is real.  :o

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« Reply #109 on: May 20, 2018, 07:52:45 pm »
So you think this is 10 degrees?As long as this picture is a true orthographic angle, it isn't.
You can clearly see that the picture is not parallel with an X or Y axis, but that didnít stop you from drawing an arbitrary line to ďmeasureĒ my angle and prove me wrong.  :lol

But PLEASE continue to try to make fun me trying to create something that I havenít done before and act like you are holier than though, because itís really damn funny when someone overshoots their shot like this and ends up looking like a jerk and a fool.   :afro:

I couldn't really tell, that's why I said if it was an orthographic angle. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthographic_projection

That being said, you've ignored gobs of good advice but accepted a 10* angle as something you should do. I'm unaware of how exactly I made fun of you or acted "holier". I said I don't like the cab you based this on. I said it looks worse with a thin profile. I said the CP Angle is too great. I said the center mess is too far off so its a tipping hazard.  I've build a ton of cabs and made a ton of mistakes. If you'd rather remake the same mistakes all over again then who am I to stop you?

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« Reply #110 on: May 20, 2018, 07:55:09 pm »
That is 20 inches wider than a Konami 4p control panel. It is way too big. I am the only one giving you the right advice right now. Don't build this. Your design is terrible from top to bottom.
Yup itís a big girl.  Itís actually smaller than a few people wanted me to make it based on the input Iíve recieved believe it or not.

But thatís why we mock it up huh?

You are obviously going to do what you are going to do and I'm actually looking forward to watching how this all turns out but 53-1/4" is absolutely gigantic.  4 and a half feet!!!  It is ridiculously big and there is no scenario where this is the correct solution.

OP, Iím just going to give you food for thought...

Your control panel is 5 1/4 inches wider than this one...



Reference:

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,94966.msg998943.html#msg998943
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« Reply #111 on: May 20, 2018, 08:04:36 pm »
That is 20 inches wider than a Konami 4p control panel. It is way too big. I am the only one giving you the right advice right now. Don't build this. Your design is terrible from top to bottom.
Yup itís a big girl.  Itís actually smaller than a few people wanted me to make it based on the input Iíve recieved believe it or not.

But thatís why we mock it up huh?

You are obviously going to do what you are going to do and I'm actually looking forward to watching how this all turns out but 53-1/4" is absolutely gigantic.  4 and a half feet!!!  It is ridiculously big and there is no scenario where this is the correct solution.

OP, Iím just going to give you food for thought...

Your control panel is 5 1/4 inches wider than this one...



Reference:

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,94966.msg998943.html#msg998943

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« Reply #112 on: May 20, 2018, 08:23:25 pm »
That being said, you've ignored gobs of good advice but accepted a 10* angle as something you should do. I'm unaware of how exactly I made fun of you or acted "holier". I said I don't like the cab you based this on. I said it looks worse with a thin profile. I said the CP Angle is too great. I said the center mess is too far off so its a tipping hazard.  I've build a ton of cabs and made a ton of mistakes. If you'd rather remake the same mistakes all over again then who am I to stop you?
I donít have the desire to continue a pissing contest with you or anyone else, especially when it is intertwined with that person saying Iím doing ďXĒ when that simply isnít true. In fact Iíve said multiple times it isnít- yet here we are.

I appreciate constructive criticism, I donít even mind harsh criticism. What befuddles me, and just makes me laugh, is this weird type of projection that you and some others continue to put on my design.

So feel free to tell me doing X is dumb, or better yet suggest I do Y because Z. But please donít tell me my cabinet has AIDS and farted on your motherís eyeball unless you have some sort of reason to claim that. Otherwise this all gets very confusing.

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« Reply #113 on: May 20, 2018, 08:29:13 pm »
OP, Iím just going to give you food for thought...

Your control panel is 5 1/4 inches wider than this one...


Yeah thatís pretty messed up, they didnít even add room for a trackball. Talk about bending the knee...

Iím already cutting out sections on mine now that I have it in front of me and I have sticks in place so Iím able to ďfeelĒ what itís like standing next to someone to figure out how much space I really need between P3 and P1, and p2 and p4.

What I struggle with is how much space I need between P1 > trackball > p2

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« Reply #114 on: May 20, 2018, 09:46:13 pm »
Okay, better update after doing the mock-up:

It looks like after my first test I can cut out 190mm, or 7.48 freedom units.

Checked hand placements and stick movement overlap:



Not too shabby for first go, and yes those are some sweet moccasins:



... which by the way makes my new draft model a whopping 2 1/4Ē (ish) inches less-wide then yotsuyaís dredded Snow Brothers machine. ... thatís enough room for cup holders!  :cheers:

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« Reply #115 on: May 21, 2018, 12:05:35 am »
Stop calling them "freedom units". Americans didn't invent the imperial system, and if anything, our lack of adopting the metric system may be a contributing factor to the idiocy of our youth.
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« Reply #116 on: May 21, 2018, 12:18:29 am »
Stop calling them "freedom units". Americans didn't invent the imperial system, and if anything, our lack of adopting the metric system may be a contributing factor to the idiocy of our youth.
  The metric system?.....Hee,Hee :laugh2:, Ya that totally dumbed down society....(Giggle) From here on out Jennifer will just be her own assistant to human resources ....OMG, (Laugh, and Laugh)

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« Reply #117 on: May 21, 2018, 12:20:45 am »
**Jennifer still laughing....Lets make freedom units "Great again" :laugh2:

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #118 on: May 21, 2018, 12:40:58 am »
A base 10 system is dumb? 1 foot is cut into 12 inches... 1 inch is broken into half, fourths, eighths, sixteenths, thirtyseconds, sixtyfourths, etc... Clearly imperial is the practical way to go (thick sarcasm for those who never catch it)... And even the OP posted in hundredths of a "freedom unit" while all his measurements on this printout are in millimeters... ::)
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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #119 on: May 21, 2018, 08:07:32 am »
What befuddles me, and just makes me laugh, is this weird type of projection that you and some others continue to put on my design.

But please donít tell me my cabinet has AIDS and farted on your motherís eyeball unless you have some sort of reason to claim that.
I haven't projected anything, you're just being butthurt about what I typed for some reason.

That last line is just utter horseshit.
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