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First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« on: May 06, 2018, 01:36:13 am »
So I figure it's fair to announce my project now. 

I don't remember ever making something with my hands besides a birdhouse when I was 10 in school, so this will be interesting.

I spent some time teaching myself 3D modeling basics.. and now I just need to put tools to wood!  I know I'll need a lot of help, so please feel free to offer advice and constructive criticism!

Goals:
4-Player Cabinet
32" LCD
Fully lit Joysticks and Buttons with Trackball
Functioning Coin Slots
Built in Audio
Custom Graphics
Lit Marquee
T-Molding
Control Audio while Playing
Easy access to computer
Single button turn on/off
Idle Display Mode
Make all cabinet plans in a 3D modeling program to share with community.


People whose ideas influenced me:
Arroyo - So many questions about everything, answered them and helped me a ton!
ChanceKJ - The cabinet shape
jarrett - Super large control panel layout concept I "borrowed" (read: stole) a lot of info from.
...more to come
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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2018, 02:31:26 am »
*** Cue the obligatory reminder about angled sticks for P3/P4. ***

Green = good.  Red = bad.



https://web.archive.org/web/20160809113045/http://newwiki.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?title=FAQ#Orientation


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« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2018, 02:47:34 am »
*** Cue the obligatory reminder about angled sticks for P3/P4. ***

Green = good.  Red = bad.



https://web.archive.org/web/20160809113045/http://newwiki.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?title=FAQ#Orientation


Scott

Thanks for info!  Why are the buttons so low though?  Shouldnít they be up higher?

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2018, 04:28:26 am »
Why are the buttons so low though?  Shouldnít they be up higher?
That diagram is only intended to show angled vs. non-angled sticks.

Arrange the buttons however you like -- see slagcoin for a variety of layouts.   :cheers:

Test the layout and spacing with a cardboard/hardboard control panel mockup FTW.

Also the distance/angle of the monitor looks a bit close and upright for a 4 player setup.   :dunno

If you haven't read the FAQ yet, check out What type of build meets my needs?


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P.S. If you like dual-joystick games like Smash TV or Karate Champ (partial list here), you might want all four sticks in a horizontal line for two-player dual-joystick fun.

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2018, 09:16:46 am »
That diagram is only intended to show angled vs. non-angled sticks.
So I could keep my panel layout, just make sure when I cut the recessed areas for the joysticks the are straight?

Arrange the buttons however you like -- see slagcoin for a variety of layouts.   :cheers:
Yeah, I used slag coin for those spacings.

Also the distance/angle of the monitor looks a bit close and upright for a 4 player setup.   :dunno
Is there a usually distance you want your sticks or buttons from the monitor?  Or are you suggesting I bring out the length of the cp support and angle the screen more?

Is there an angle, or best practice for this?

If you haven't read the FAQ yet, check out What type of build meets my needs?
Reading right now.

P.S. If you like dual-joystick games like Smash TV or Karate Champ (partial list here), you might want all four sticks in a horizontal line for two-player dual-joystick fun.

Iíve never heard of this but Iíll look into it. Are those unplayavle at an angle?


What do people add the extra arcade sticks for in the center area by the master buttons?

Iíll add my 2D drawing of my CP so itís easier to see the measurements as well.

Thanks for all the insight!!
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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2018, 01:42:22 pm »


Iíve never heard of this but Iíll look into it. Are those unplayavle at an angle?

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Unplayable no, but it does take a lot of getting use to

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What do people add the extra arcade sticks for in the center area by the master buttons?

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Most often the are dedicated 4 way sticks for games like Pacman.  You could just as easily by switchable sticks.  I have Magstick plus' on my cab so all I have to do is pull up and turn to switch between 4 and 8 way.

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2018, 03:05:11 pm »
That diagram is only intended to show angled vs. non-angled sticks.
So I could keep my panel layout, just make sure when I cut the recessed areas for the joysticks the are straight?
Yes.  You can shift the joysticks left/right/up/down as desired as long as they are straight like the green sticks and not turned at an angle like the red stick.

Also the distance/angle of the monitor looks a bit close and upright for a 4 player setup.   :dunno
Is there a usually distance you want your sticks or buttons from the monitor?  Or are you suggesting I bring out the length of the cp support and angle the screen more?

Is there an angle, or best practice for this?
I was thinking about the monitor angle/distance on a Gauntlet cab.



Before you make sawdust, you might want to make a mockup to check the visibility from P3/P4 point-of-view.

Do the sides block the view?

Are the colors badly faded? (viewing angle on the LCD isn't wide enough)

P.S. If you like dual-joystick games like Smash TV or Karate Champ (partial list here), you might want all four sticks in a horizontal line for two-player dual-joystick fun.
Iíve never heard of this but Iíll look into it. Are those unplayavle at an angle?
For dual joystick games, you want the P1 left and P1 right sticks to be on the same horizontal line like this Smash TV panel


If the sticks are positioned like P3 and P1 in the angled sticks diagram, your body will want to turn to the right because it's hard to play with one hand farther away than the other.



What do people add the extra arcade sticks for in the center area by the master buttons?
Not quite sure what you're asking here.   :dunno

Are you thinking about the panels that have a dedicated 4-way stick for Donkey Kong, Pac Man, etc. ?


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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2018, 03:11:58 pm »

I was thinking about the monitor angle/distance on a Gauntlet cab.


I guess the difference there too is that the arcade CRT is square.. and the play area is very square as well.


Before you make sawdust, you might want to make a mockup to check the visibility from P3/P4 point-of-view.

Do the sides block the view?

Are the colors badly faded? (viewing angle on the LCD isn't wide enough)
I should be able to do this in AutoCAD, good points

Are you thinking about the panels that have a dedicated 4-way stick for Donkey Kong, Pac Man, etc. ?
I think so, what kind of card do people use in order to hook the 4 way stick up?  The same i-Pac type thing?

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2018, 06:48:39 pm »
If you truly have no idea what you are doing I'd rethink the 4P setup.  There are only a handful of games that even support 4 players and they are largely the same game just re-skinned (TMNT, Simpsons, X-men, etc.) or Gauntlet.  If those games are must-haves then go for it (keep in mind they are all playable as 2P games).  Also think about how often you will actually have 4 people playing at the same time.  A couple of times a year when you have friends over?  Every day because you have 4 kids?  Design for you, not for the once a year dream scenario.

The biggest mistake people make is trying to build one cabinet to rule them all when often a focused project will still give you hundreds of great games to play but also be functional and user-friendly.  I can't count the number of questions I get almost every time someone comes over to play and my cabs run about 30-50 games max with one set of controls.

At the end of the day, do what makes you happy - just trying to offer some additional perspective.   :cheers:

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« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2018, 07:06:52 pm »
Solid advice.

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2018, 07:16:41 pm »
If you truly have no idea what you are doing I'd rethink the 4P setup.  There are only a handful of games that even support 4 players and they are largely the same game just re-skinned (TMNT, Simpsons, X-men, etc.) or Gauntlet.

I understand. I do want to be able to play 4 player games though and while it may only be monthly or bi-monthly- thatís when Iíll be getting the most use out of my cab anyways.

Thanks for your input though!

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« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2018, 07:30:39 pm »
Good luck with your build! Toodles!
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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2018, 06:23:46 am »
Are the colors badly faded? (viewing angle on the LCD isn't wide enough)
I should be able to do this in AutoCAD
AutoCAD won't help with predicting monitor image quality from various points of view.

Depending on the degree of screen incline and how far to the side the outer players are, the display may look washed out.

The only way to tell for sure is to look at a typical game displayed on your monitor from the same height, incline and side-angle that you will be looking at it when it is mounted in the cab.

Are you thinking about the panels that have a dedicated 4-way stick for Donkey Kong, Pac Man, etc. ?
I think so, what kind of card do people use in order to hook the 4 way stick up?  The same i-Pac type thing?
You can use whatever encoder(s) you prefer as long as they have enough of the right kind of inputs.

See part 5 of the FAQ about Encoders for important considerations when selecting the encoder(s) for your build.
(PROTIP: Read the whole FAQ.  It's there to help you.)

You can wire a dedicated 4-way stick in parallel with the P1 8-way stick.

Each row of microswitches is a separate stick.

When lines cross, a dot = connected and no dot = not connected.



Your choice on whether you want to "daisy-chain" each directional input as shown or run a separate input wire from each microswitch to the directional input.


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« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2018, 08:52:59 pm »
Wanted to post out the current draft of my arcade and the current CP look.  Feel free to leave comments/feedback.

Originally I was going to not release my cabinet's CAD design since it was similar to ChangeKG's model, so I didn't want to steal his IP.  I may be reworking the side shapes though to round them out and change it to make it my own in which case I will most likely release the plans.

I will be releasing my CP's CAD since it is 100% mine, just highly influenced by jarrett's mock from some time ago.

Cabinet:


Control Panel:


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« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2018, 11:43:29 pm »
I put in some more time so now I'm even a little closer!!  ;D ;D ;D



Not sure how to fix the area in white... There is a small gap between the area under it (that I would like to swing open like a cabinet) and the area right above it that I want to have a hinge to swing down to access a keyboard and mouse that will be hooked up to my PC.

Any ideas?  I could slant it upwards.. but I'm not sure if I take a miter and cut the angle if it will work.  I guess I could take a hinge and connect it on a slant to the bottom, and then have a latch that connects to hold it up on the upper portion.... but not sure...?

I could also just make it longer to close the gap..

Any input?!  Advice?!


Closer picture...


And one more shot...

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« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2018, 04:14:48 am »
"Not sure how to fix the area in white... There is a small gap between the area under it (that I would like to swing open like a cabinet) and the area right above it that I want to have a hinge to swing down to access a keyboard and mouse that will be hooked up to my PC.

Any ideas?  I could slant it upwards.. but I'm not sure if I take a miter and cut the angle if it will work.  I guess I could take a hinge and connect it on a slant to the bottom, and then have a latch that connects to hold it up on the upper portion.... but not sure...?"

Im not sure how to write my advise, but ill try:

You dont need that much height for mouse + kb. How about if you higher the bottom of that drawer and just close the bottom. So that the bottom sheet of the drawer is higher than the frontpanel of the drawer. Now it shows, then it wouldn show and you can close the slot with woodpiece.

I hope you understand what i mean :).


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« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2018, 06:29:53 am »
Wireless keyboard with a track pad. It costs like 11 dollars. you don't need to store a keyboard and mouse inside your arcade cab.

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« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2018, 09:22:42 am »
Im not sure how to write my advise, but ill try:

You dont need that much height for mouse + kb. How about if you higher the bottom of that drawer and just close the bottom. So that the bottom sheet of the drawer is higher than the frontpanel of the drawer. Now it shows, then it wouldn show and you can close the slot with woodpiece.

I hope you understand what i mean :).

I think I do, bring up the bottom to be parallel with the extruding ďarmĒ of the cab side?

I guess I could just shorten that arm cutout and make the bottom a 90 angle and make it flush with the cab.

Does that make sense?

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« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2018, 09:23:50 am »
Wireless keyboard with a track pad. It costs like 11 dollars. you don't need to store a keyboard and mouse inside your arcade cab.

While I understand what you mean (I have a wireless keyboard and mouse), itís more about having it right there for me.

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« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2018, 09:27:18 am »
How is opening a door and pulling out a tray more "right there" than a wireless keyboard you can put anywhere?

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« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2018, 09:54:09 am »
How is opening a door and pulling out a tray more "right there" than a wireless keyboard you can put anywhere?

Mike, my friend, just let it go. This dude obviously has a specific plan in mind.
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« Reply #21 on: May 09, 2018, 10:03:39 am »
Out of curiosity what do you guys do with your wireless keyboards?  I end up setting mine on top of another game.  It always seems to be in the way.

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« Reply #22 on: May 09, 2018, 10:07:04 am »
Mine is in my basement because I haven't needed it since the first week my machine was in operation. During that first week of tweaking I just leaned it against the wall behind the cab.
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« Reply #23 on: May 09, 2018, 10:10:04 am »
I keep a pretty limited list of games on my cabinet.  Seems like every time I want to participate in the BYOAC High Score contest I have to break the keyboard out and add a new game.

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« Reply #24 on: May 09, 2018, 10:14:24 am »
I set up my previous cab with remote desktop. I just used my laptop with wifi to do any maintenance I needed. I was going to do that with this one, but I don't tinker with it enough to be necessary.

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« Reply #25 on: May 09, 2018, 10:20:40 am »
Out of curiosity what do you guys do with your wireless keyboards?  I end up setting mine on top of another game.  It always seems to be in the way.

I rarely (never) need to use it after the cab has been up and running for a week or two.  I usually just set up the game list I want and move on.  I have a drawer in my basement that I keep the keyboard in just in case but I haven't used it once.

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« Reply #26 on: May 09, 2018, 10:22:17 am »
Mike, my friend, just let it go. This dude obviously has a specific plan in mind.

 :laugh2: ;)

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« Reply #27 on: May 09, 2018, 10:27:22 am »
At least it doesn't have cup holders... yet.

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« Reply #28 on: May 09, 2018, 10:31:27 am »
Out of curiosity what do you guys do with your wireless keyboards?  I end up setting mine on top of another game.  It always seems to be in the way.
Iíve seen people that have other single games that may not plug into their front end use it, or if they like to do MAME updates/customize controls. Itís just preference.

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« Reply #29 on: May 09, 2018, 10:34:53 am »
At least it doesn't have cup holders... yet.

Beer fridge in the base.... with cup holders... GREAT IDEA  :cheers:

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« Reply #30 on: May 09, 2018, 10:45:43 am »
I will find you.

See? This is how it is done. This guy has a sense of humor. Too many people freak out if you don't love their precious ideas. What I think doesn't matter at all if you are happy with the end result.

If you aren't happy, it is because you didn't heed my sage advice. You will have to live with that crushing guilt for the rest of your life.

I look forward to seeing you finish this project. :cheers:

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« Reply #31 on: May 09, 2018, 10:46:33 am »
Out of curiosity what do you guys do with your wireless keyboards?  I end up setting mine on top of another game.  It always seems to be in the way.

Could use a USB port that you can access ( Could be hidden somewhere underneath/on backside that only you know the location of ) - then just use your Wireless keyboard/mouse from your PC and just move the USB dongle over to the arcade when you need it ( that way the keyboard/mouse is usually connected to your PC but can be moved anytime you need to use it on the arcade ! )

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« Reply #32 on: May 09, 2018, 10:50:09 am »
I look forward to seeing you finish this project. :cheers:

Thanks!

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« Reply #33 on: May 09, 2018, 11:00:25 am »
This is you gateway cab. When you finish it you will be happy. It will be loads of fun.
After awhile there will be an annoying little voice in your head. "MikeA is right.", "build another cab with a sweet CRT". "Fill you house with arcade machines".




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« Reply #34 on: May 09, 2018, 11:34:08 pm »
If my little palm sized Keyboard doesn't cut it, I have another slightly bigger keyboard stashed behind my bar.  These days it gets more use as a defensive weapon than with my arcade cab.  I just couldn't understand why so many people sacrifice such a big space of real estate front and center in an otherwise beautiful piece of art just for a keyboard.  The only time I struggled with this decision was when I wanted to play computer games like C64 & Amiga.  But there are ways around that if you work hard enough.

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« Reply #35 on: May 09, 2018, 11:51:12 pm »
A quick question for the OP. Does the height of the control panel box take into account the height of the joysticks you will be using and where the USB encoders/lighting will go? Have you also thought about how you will access all the button/joystick connections after its built?

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« Reply #36 on: May 09, 2018, 11:56:35 pm »
Very sharp.  Is the total height of this cabinet 6'2"?
I've seen a range from maybe 5'10" to 6'2" I think. 

I really appreciate seeing your design with measurements.  Helps me immensely in deciding on my own.

Good luck!

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« Reply #37 on: May 10, 2018, 06:04:32 am »


I just couldn't understand why so many people sacrifice such a big space of real estate front and center in an otherwise beautiful piece of art just for a keyboard.

My feelings exactly.  My wireless key board is mounted on the back of my cab.  Since I got everything configured I only pull it out when my 5 year old wants to play Metal Slug.  His little fingers get tired after 5 mins so i have to turn rapid fire on.

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« Reply #38 on: May 14, 2018, 11:40:18 am »
A quick question for the OP. Does the height of the control panel box take into account the height of the joysticks you will be using and where the USB encoders/lighting will go? Have you also thought about how you will access all the button/joystick connections after its built?
Long answer is yes, I will be putting a hinge on the CP so it opens upward like a cabinet to access the wiring if I need to again.  Right now I have a box that is 2 1/2" to fit all my wiring and button portions of my buttons in, which I may expand by another half an inch to make sure I have enough room, especially for the trackball which takes more room up on the bottom.

I should not I am using 3/4" plywood and will be using a CNC much like Chance did, so that's why some parts are so thick.

I'm about 6' and I am altering my design right now to be higher (from 3' 4" to 3' 8") so that it's more natural in how I hold the joystick.  I also added a slope of 10 degrees downward... so truth be told the end of the control panel will be about 3' 5".  Right now my cabinet stands at 6'4"

I haven't updated this thread with my drawings in a while, but this is the current version of the profile pieces.  I am still debating if the curve cut is too thin where the screen will be.. but they ARE thin, so I think I'm okay.  I'll be updating again once I finalize my full 3D render.

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« Reply #39 on: May 15, 2018, 11:49:04 pm »
In terms of figuring out if your sides are too thin, don't forget to account for the back panel and its thickness and enough space for wires, glass and the bezel.

The angle of your sides means you will have a bottom marquee that has a lot of dead space in it (unless you plan on putting large speakers in it).

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« Reply #40 on: May 16, 2018, 05:32:26 pm »
The angle of your sides means you will have a bottom marquee that has a lot of dead space in it (unless you plan on putting large speakers in it).

What do you mean by this?

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« Reply #41 on: May 16, 2018, 10:11:58 pm »
New updated 3-D rendering, which I should be able to dissemble and make a 2-D image for CNC machining.



  • I changed the size to better suit by own height
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« Reply #42 on: May 17, 2018, 03:44:27 pm »
The angle of your sides means you will have a bottom marquee that has a lot of dead space in it (unless you plan on putting large speakers in it).

What do you mean by this?

Don't worry about it. In your new rendering I can see what you did more clearly. However that brings up another concern. Your marquee box's bottom panel looks as if it might interfere with the top of your speakers on your speaker panel. Have you checked for clearance?

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« Reply #43 on: May 17, 2018, 03:45:59 pm »
Don't worry about it. In your new rendering I can see what you did more clearly. However that brings up another concern. Your marquee box's bottom panel looks as if it might interfere with the top of your speakers on your speaker panel. Have you checked for clearance?
Iím removing the back piece of wood in the marquee altogether based on a recommendation by another person. So I should have plenty of room for the speakers now. ;)

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« Reply #44 on: May 17, 2018, 03:48:34 pm »
Can you post a side view of the cab? I'm concerned that the overhang of your cp would create a tipping hazard. On a slim cab I built that was an issue and my cp didn't overhang anywhere near as much as yours appears to be.

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« Reply #45 on: May 17, 2018, 03:51:01 pm »
Can you post a side view of the cab? I'm concerned that the overhang of your cp would create a tipping hazard. On a slim cab I built that was an issue and my cp didn't overhang anywhere near as much as yours appears to be.


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« Reply #46 on: May 17, 2018, 03:58:32 pm »
Its hard to say, it may or may not be an issue.

Worse comes to worst, you can put it on pedestal (essentially just a sheet of mdf that sticks out far enough to not allow tippage when playing hard.

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« Reply #47 on: May 18, 2018, 11:19:59 am »
Updated my CP design to get rid of a bunch of admin buttons down to just 2 (Pause and Exit), and removed dedicated 4-way and flyleaf buttons.  Also removed spinner.  Also removed 1 of my 1p and 2p buttons, and moved one down to fit a more "Neo Geo" style.

Down to 37 buttons, still too many to fit on Ultimate I/O.

I wanted to put all the buttons on a different RGB, but maybe it makes sense to chain the Player/Coin and Exit/Pause buttons together?  Thoughts anyone?


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« Reply #48 on: May 18, 2018, 11:29:42 am »
Or is this better?  I moved up the 1p-2p and trackball and brought the front end of the control panel up as well (all 44mm.)


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« Reply #49 on: May 18, 2018, 11:35:54 am »
Down to 37 buttons, still too many to fit on Ultimate I/O.



Are you sure you're counting right? There are 37 holes in that CP, but only 32 of the holes are for buttons... Advice you won't take: 6 buttons for players 1 and 2, not 7.
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« Reply #50 on: May 18, 2018, 11:40:53 am »
Are you sure you're counting right? There are 37 holes in that CP, but only 32 of the holes are for buttons... Advice you won't take: 6 buttons for players 1 and 2, not 7.
Sorry, I'm counting the joysticks and the ball that will be illuminated as well.

And yes, I do want to keep the 7 buttons for neo geo.  Those are some of my favorite games.

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« Reply #51 on: May 18, 2018, 11:45:17 am »
NeoGeo layout is 4 buttons, not 7. Most NeoGeo games don't even use all 4. Do you really need RGB LEDs for all the controls? No. Coin buttons (even though you shouldn't have any, get a coin door) don't need to be every color of the rainbow, and neither do your admin buttons (hell, hide those under the CP and they don't even need to be lit up).
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« Reply #52 on: May 18, 2018, 11:46:53 am »
Not sure I understand.  Neo Geo only uses 4 buttons max... Most people use the top row and the left button on the bottom row to get the arc.

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« Reply #53 on: May 18, 2018, 11:56:20 am »
NeoGeo layout is 4 buttons, not 7. Most NeoGeo games don't even use all 4. Do you really need RGB LEDs for all the controls? No.
Of course I don't "NEED" them.

Coin buttons (even though you shouldn't have any, get a coin door) don't need to be every color of the rainbow, and neither do your admin buttons (hell, hide those under the CP and they don't even need to be lit up).
On that topic, where can I find a 4-person coin door?

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« Reply #54 on: May 18, 2018, 11:58:09 am »
Not sure I understand.  Neo Geo only uses 4 buttons max... Most people use the top row and the left button on the bottom row to get the arc.
I did think about that, but it just doesn't feel right.

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« Reply #55 on: May 18, 2018, 12:07:10 pm »
I find it mildly humerous how you went from wanting an inexpensive, single color, LED setup to completely off the deep end with this. And as someone who has done almost exactly what you're describing now... Don't do it.
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« Reply #58 on: May 18, 2018, 03:02:16 pm »
Or is this better?  I moved up the 1p-2p and trackball and brought the front end of the control panel up as well (all 44mm.)


This 2nd one looks better.  You could probably that the front end off completely, actually.

And I know what you mean about the Neo Geo controls.  My current panel has the Street Fighter 6 button style and it feels unnatural playing Samurai Showdown.  No idea why some of us get up in arms about one extra button...

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« Reply #59 on: May 18, 2018, 03:05:58 pm »
This 2nd one looks better.  You could probably that the front end off completely, actually.
I was thinking about that.. but it would look a little too curvy for me.   :dunno

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« Reply #60 on: May 18, 2018, 03:13:34 pm »
Okay, last draft before I lay all the pieces down and create a .DWG file for it to be CNCed.

Any final input?

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« Reply #61 on: May 18, 2018, 03:33:09 pm »
I hope you plan on strapping that thing to a wall. That giant, heavy control panel is hanging out way past the center of mass.

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« Reply #62 on: May 18, 2018, 03:56:20 pm »
I hope you plan on strapping that thing to a wall. That giant, heavy control panel is hanging out way past the center of mass.
How have others solved this problem?  Extend the front?  I just donít want to make a podium.

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« Reply #63 on: May 18, 2018, 03:59:24 pm »
Look at how actual arcade machines are designed.

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« Reply #64 on: May 18, 2018, 04:04:34 pm »
Look at how actual arcade machines are designed.

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 Itís obviously a lot different with a much larger control panel. I can move the control panel further into the machine but only so much until it hits the display.

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« Reply #65 on: May 18, 2018, 04:05:51 pm »
Maybe there is reason they are not built that way.

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« Reply #66 on: May 18, 2018, 04:08:09 pm »

Any final input?

Before you cut a piece of wood for this project. Start and finish a mini project first. Build a 1 player stand alone CP with the layout you want to use in the bigger project. Play on that for a while before cutting bigger, more expensive pieces. Once you're happy with a layout or control setup you like, then cut the big pieces and transfer your controls over to the big project. You've changed your mind many times this week, and I dont think you're done yet.
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« Reply #67 on: May 18, 2018, 04:08:36 pm »
Mike and the others who have painted it out are right - your CP looks like itís going to fall off. Extend the bottom out some more to cradle the panel.
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« Reply #68 on: May 18, 2018, 04:12:34 pm »
Mike and the others who have painted it out are right - your CP looks like itís going to fall off. Extend the bottom out some more to cradle the panel.
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« Reply #69 on: May 18, 2018, 04:20:37 pm »
Make sure youíve accounted for the depth requirements of the trackball.  The control panel housing depth may be an issue.

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« Reply #70 on: May 18, 2018, 04:52:08 pm »
Before you cut a piece of wood for this project. Start and finish a mini project first. Build a 1 player stand alone CP with the layout you want to use in the bigger project. Play on that for a while before cutting bigger, more expensive pieces. Once you're happy with a layout or control setup you like, then cut the big pieces and transfer your controls over to the big project. You've changed your mind many times this week, and I dont think you're done yet.
Yeah the crappy part is my buttons are being restocked right now...  :badmood:

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« Reply #71 on: May 18, 2018, 04:52:37 pm »
Make sure youíve accounted for the depth requirements of the trackball.  The control panel housing depth may be an issue.
This should be fine,  I have 3 1/2 inches and the trackball only needs 2"

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« Reply #72 on: May 18, 2018, 05:01:27 pm »
Before you cut a piece of wood for this project. Start and finish a mini project first. Build a 1 player stand alone CP with the layout you want to use in the bigger project. Play on that for a while before cutting bigger, more expensive pieces. Once you're happy with a layout or control setup you like, then cut the big pieces and transfer your controls over to the big project. You've changed your mind many times this week, and I dont think you're done yet.
Yeah the crappy part is my buttons are being restocked right now...  :badmood:

Dude, when I built the Beast, I had to buy black buttons and transparent buttons and make my own. There was no off the shelf like that. And if you wait around for Paradise... Well, it'll be a long ---smurfing--- time.

Funny, they have both black and transparent in stock... You're just waiting on them to swap plungers...  :laugh2:
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« Reply #73 on: May 18, 2018, 05:45:40 pm »
Didn't have time to read the whole thread but this looks like a great start to having a nice aircraft carrier.
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« Reply #74 on: May 19, 2018, 04:20:36 am »
On that topic, where can I find a 4-person coin door?
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« Reply #75 on: May 19, 2018, 05:23:50 pm »
FFS http://bfy.tw/ICvW
:laugh2: Some people have a hard time with newbie questions, especially in a thread titled ďI have no idea what Iím doing.Ē :laugh2:

That being said, I know I can google and find a used one, a new one, etc. I donít know if there are some with different wiring or changeable options which limit what I should be using for a MAME machine.

IE: you wouldnít tell a person who wants to create a Pac-Man feeling arcade to just buy any joystick and button after googling it. You would tell them to make sure to buy a 4Ėway balled shorter stick with a flyleaf gold leaf button.

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« Reply #77 on: May 19, 2018, 08:56:58 pm »
I went to FedEx to print out my CP drawings to make a test unit.  Sadly Sketchup exported a PDF and PNG both different sizes, and neither of them correct.

Iíll be bothering their forum for answers tonight, since only EPS you can mark to export to 1:1 size, but FedEx does not accept that format.  I find it strange the other exports wouldnít allow this option.

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« Reply #78 on: May 19, 2018, 09:07:37 pm »
I hope some little kid doesnt jump up and hang from the center 2 sticks or else you you'll have to use their college fund for funeral expenses.
I was never a fan of the cab you based this design on, and you somehow found a way to make it worse by making it thin profiled.  Have you considered a more NBA Jam shaped control panel? Hope you have great medical insurance too, so you can get carpal tunnel surgery from that CP angle after you're done burying children.
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« Reply #79 on: May 19, 2018, 09:26:41 pm »
I hope some little kid doesnt jump up and hang from the center 2 sticks or else you you'll have to use their college fund for funeral expenses.
I was never a fan of the cab you based this design on, and you somehow found a way to make it worse by making it thin profiled.  Have you considered a more NBA Jam shaped control panel? Hope you have great medical insurance too, so you can get carpal tunnel surgery from that CP angle after you're done burying children.
Besides the much appreciated well-wishes for my health and finances, which part of the NBA Jam CP are you referring to?  That it's rectangular or there is "more" space in your opinion for your hands/arms than mine has to properly rest on?

I can from images the NBA Jam CP is taller so it would only result in forearm surgery or taller kids hanging from the center sticks, so is that what you mean?  Or is there a single shotgun blast that fires when someone does that on the NBA Jam cabinet I have forgotten?

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« Reply #80 on: May 19, 2018, 09:37:41 pm »
I'm pretty sure you will need a pedestal for this. I think I covered how to do it already.
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« Reply #81 on: May 19, 2018, 09:46:41 pm »
I'm pretty sure you will need a pasta for this. I think I covered how to do it already.
You suggested a podium, which Iím not interested in. 

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« Reply #82 on: May 19, 2018, 10:16:36 pm »
Change the angle of the CP to 5 degrees.  Generally the back panel is 1" taller than the front but your CP is so big that you may have to go to 1-1/4" or more.  10 degrees is way too steep, IMO.  You may also have trouble with the trackball not rolling as smooth as it should because of gravity.

For structural support, build a u-shaped column underneath it in the center that sticks out from the bottom front panel - there are lots of ways to make this look nice.  Something like this (not perfect but you get the idea): 


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« Reply #83 on: May 19, 2018, 10:23:46 pm »
Change the angle of the CP to 5 degrees.  Generally the back panel is 1" taller than the front but your CP is so big that you may have to go to 1-1/4" or more.  10 degrees is way too steep, IMO.  You may also have trouble with the trackball not rolling as smooth as it should because of gravity.

For structural support, build a u-shaped column underneath it in the center that sticks out from the bottom front panel - there are lots of ways to make this look nice.  Something like this (not perfect but you get the idea): 


Very interesting.

Any idea what angle the display is on this example?

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« Reply #84 on: May 19, 2018, 10:38:39 pm »
I hope some little kid doesnt jump up and hang from the center 2 sticks or else you you'll have to use their college fund for funeral expenses.
I was never a fan of the cab you based this design on, and you somehow found a way to make it worse by making it thin profiled.  Have you considered a more NBA Jam shaped control panel? Hope you have great medical insurance too, so you can get carpal tunnel surgery from that CP angle after you're done burying children.
Besides the much appreciated well-wishes for my health and finances, which part of the NBA Jam CP are you referring to?  That it's rectangular or there is "more" space in your opinion for your hands/arms than mine has to properly rest on?

I can from images the NBA Jam CP is taller so it would only result in forearm surgery or taller kids hanging from the center sticks, so is that what you mean?  Or is there a single shotgun blast that fires when someone does that on the NBA Jam cabinet I have forgotten?
I think Malenko is referring to the shape of the CP.  He's not a fan of the aircraft carrier design.

His carpal tunnel comment is due to the extreme downward slant of the CP.  You might want to straighten it up a little.

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #85 on: May 20, 2018, 05:43:24 am »
I don't normally suggest this, but I think the OP should consider buying a cab. It doesn't seem like he has the skill set to build a cab. I  don't want to insult you, but there are so many red flags in all of these posts. It seems like you are in over your head.

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #86 on: May 20, 2018, 08:59:51 am »
I think Malenko is referring to the shape of the CP.  He's not a fan of the aircraft carrier design.

His carpal tunnel comment is due to the extreme downward slant of the CP.  You might want to straighten it up a little.

You got it! But the kid grabbing the joysticks comment is more about the center mass of the cab. I don't think they'll be much unsprung weight to the cab so it will be very prone to tipping unless hes going to fill the bottom with sandbags or weights. The angle of the CP just adds to the problem. Here's my CP for my old 4 player MAME cab, exact same dimensions as NBA Jam/Open Ice/ NFL Blitz (ya know, actual 4 player games)


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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #87 on: May 20, 2018, 09:24:15 am »
Any idea what angle the display is on this example?

Well it's a random pic from the internet so I have no idea but if I had to guess I'd say around 5 degrees, like most cabs.

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« Reply #88 on: May 20, 2018, 11:00:57 am »
I don't normally suggest this, but I think the OP should consider buying a cab. It doesn't seem like he has the skill set to build a cab. I  don't want to insult you, but there are so many red flags in all of these posts. It seems like you are in over your head.
May I direct your attention to the title of the thread?

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« Reply #89 on: May 20, 2018, 11:29:03 am »
The title is the first red flag.

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« Reply #90 on: May 20, 2018, 12:18:53 pm »
The title is the first red flag.
I hereby officially dub this:

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« Reply #91 on: May 20, 2018, 12:34:37 pm »
Back to more interesting endeavors... of mocking out my control panel...

Since FedEx had problems.. I printed out the .pdf on my fancy Epson XP-440 and measured the CP length-wise and it appears to be what I expected.  It's just over 53 1/4 freedom units (inches) or roughly the 1358mm that Sketchup is telling me.  So that means I'm in business.

She's a big girl, well suited for her state's love of cheese, beer, and brats.  Maybe I'll use that as my theme.




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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #92 on: May 20, 2018, 01:02:59 pm »
That is 20 inches wider than a Konami 4p control panel. It is way too big. I am the only one giving you the right advice right now. Don't build this. Your design is terrible from top to bottom.

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« Reply #93 on: May 20, 2018, 01:29:40 pm »
That is 20 inches wider than a Konami 4p control panel. It is way too big. I am the only one giving you the right advice right now. Don't build this. Your design is terrible from top to bottom.
Yup itís a big girl.  Itís actually smaller than a few people wanted me to make it based on the input Iíve recieved believe it or not.

But thatís why we mock it up huh?

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« Reply #94 on: May 20, 2018, 01:37:53 pm »
Nobody who knows what they are doing would ever suggest a larger control panel than you are proposing. You don't have to mock it up to realize it is way too big. I am not entirely sure you are for real.

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« Reply #95 on: May 20, 2018, 01:54:56 pm »
Well itís a good thing Iím mocking it out then so I can come to the same conclusion as you, right?

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #96 on: May 20, 2018, 02:09:22 pm »
Good luck with your build. You obviously don't want my advice so I will stop providing it.

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« Reply #97 on: May 20, 2018, 02:11:45 pm »
**Observations... I like the big look of it, but keep in mind moving it and doorways, at best keep the width around 34" after the C/p is removed, The tilt of the c/p is a bit much, not only will it be uncomfortable to play for extended periods but your going to get spilled drinks all over it. 2 players is all you need, lots of elbow room for fighter games....And that 4slot coin door is hands down the dumbest thing Jenn has ever seen put to steel.

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #98 on: May 20, 2018, 02:50:10 pm »
Good luck with your build. You obviously don't want my advice so I will stop providing it.

You BARELY came to that conclusion? :)
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« Reply #99 on: May 20, 2018, 03:04:06 pm »
I said it was obvious.

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« Reply #100 on: May 20, 2018, 03:31:42 pm »
Good luck with your build. You obviously don't want my advice so I will stop providing it.
Thatís a bit dramatic.

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« Reply #101 on: May 20, 2018, 03:38:50 pm »
**Observations... I like the big look of it, but keep in mind moving it and doorways, at best keep the width around 34" after the C/p is removed, The tilt of the c/p is a bit much, not only will it be uncomfortable to play for extended periods but your going to get spilled drinks all over it. 2 players is all you need, lots of elbow room for fighter games....And that 4slot coin door is hands down the dumbest thing Jenn has ever seen put to steel.

I would also agree the tilt will come up. Someone told me 5-10, I started at 10.

I havenít concluded I donít want to do 4-players, but without the CP this would be 2í 7 1/2Ē wide or 31 1/2Ē

Iím still middle-ground on a coin door, but it would be 4 or nothing.

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #102 on: May 20, 2018, 04:38:02 pm »
I would also agree the tilt will come up. Someone told me 5-10, I started at 10.

So you think this is 10 degrees?As long as this picture is a true orthographic angle, it isn't. Great to see that you'll follow someones advice, even if its terrible.



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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #103 on: May 20, 2018, 05:36:04 pm »
That is 20 inches wider than a Konami 4p control panel. It is way too big. I am the only one giving you the right advice right now. Don't build this. Your design is terrible from top to bottom.
Yup itís a big girl.  Itís actually smaller than a few people wanted me to make it based on the input Iíve recieved believe it or not.

But thatís why we mock it up huh?

You are obviously going to do what you are going to do and I'm actually looking forward to watching how this all turns out but 53-1/4" is absolutely gigantic.  4 and a half feet!!!  It is ridiculously big and there is no scenario where this is the correct solution. 

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« Reply #104 on: May 20, 2018, 05:49:06 pm »
So you think this is 10 degrees?As long as this picture is a true orthographic angle, it isn't.
:laugh2:  Man you guys are a trip.  ďListen to advice!Ē  ďYou listen to terrible advice!Ē

Iíve also already said that the angle is coming down... but just because itís funny to me...

You can clearly see that the picture is not parallel with an X or Y axis, but that didnít stop you from drawing an arbitrary line to ďmeasureĒ my angle and prove me wrong.  :lol

But PLEASE continue to try to make fun me trying to create something that I havenít done before and act like you are holier than though, because itís really damn funny when someone overshoots their shot like this and ends up looking like a jerk and a fool.   :afro:

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« Reply #105 on: May 20, 2018, 05:50:36 pm »
You are obviously going to do what you are going to do and I'm actually looking forward to watching how this all turns out but 53-1/4" is absolutely gigantic.  4 and a half feet!!!  It is ridiculously big and there is no scenario where this is the correct solution.
Yeah, itíll end up shortening like Iíve said, but itís a start to physically mock and feel where I can start to cut out space.

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« Reply #106 on: May 20, 2018, 07:36:43 pm »
I don't normally suggest this, but I think the OP should consider buying a cab. It doesn't seem like he has the skill set to build a cab. I  don't want to insult you, but there are so many red flags in all of these posts. It seems like you are in over your head.

You might be right. When someone doesn't want to address a potentail physical hazard that can severely hurt a child, well, that's when I bow out.

Good luck op.

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« Reply #107 on: May 20, 2018, 07:38:14 pm »
I don't normally suggest this, but I think the OP should consider buying a cab. It doesn't seem like he has the skill set to build a cab. I  don't want to insult you, but there are so many red flags in all of these posts. It seems like you are in over your head.

You might be right. When someone doesn't want to address a potentail physical hazard that can severely hurt a child, well, that's when I bow out.

Good luck op.

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« Reply #108 on: May 20, 2018, 07:39:49 pm »
You might be right. When someone doesn't want to address a potentail physical hazard that can severely hurt a child, well, that's when I bow out.

Good luck op.
Pretty sure paper and cardboard wonít hurt a child, but you do you.  :dizzy:

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #109 on: May 20, 2018, 07:52:45 pm »
So you think this is 10 degrees?As long as this picture is a true orthographic angle, it isn't.
You can clearly see that the picture is not parallel with an X or Y axis, but that didnít stop you from drawing an arbitrary line to ďmeasureĒ my angle and prove me wrong.  :lol

But PLEASE continue to try to make fun me trying to create something that I havenít done before and act like you are holier than though, because itís really damn funny when someone overshoots their shot like this and ends up looking like a jerk and a fool.   :afro:

I couldn't really tell, that's why I said if it was an orthographic angle. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthographic_projection

That being said, you've ignored gobs of good advice but accepted a 10* angle as something you should do. I'm unaware of how exactly I made fun of you or acted "holier". I said I don't like the cab you based this on. I said it looks worse with a thin profile. I said the CP Angle is too great. I said the center mess is too far off so its a tipping hazard.  I've build a ton of cabs and made a ton of mistakes. If you'd rather remake the same mistakes all over again then who am I to stop you?

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« Reply #110 on: May 20, 2018, 07:55:09 pm »
That is 20 inches wider than a Konami 4p control panel. It is way too big. I am the only one giving you the right advice right now. Don't build this. Your design is terrible from top to bottom.
Yup itís a big girl.  Itís actually smaller than a few people wanted me to make it based on the input Iíve recieved believe it or not.

But thatís why we mock it up huh?

You are obviously going to do what you are going to do and I'm actually looking forward to watching how this all turns out but 53-1/4" is absolutely gigantic.  4 and a half feet!!!  It is ridiculously big and there is no scenario where this is the correct solution.

OP, Iím just going to give you food for thought...

Your control panel is 5 1/4 inches wider than this one...



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http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,94966.msg998943.html#msg998943
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« Reply #111 on: May 20, 2018, 08:04:36 pm »
That is 20 inches wider than a Konami 4p control panel. It is way too big. I am the only one giving you the right advice right now. Don't build this. Your design is terrible from top to bottom.
Yup itís a big girl.  Itís actually smaller than a few people wanted me to make it based on the input Iíve recieved believe it or not.

But thatís why we mock it up huh?

You are obviously going to do what you are going to do and I'm actually looking forward to watching how this all turns out but 53-1/4" is absolutely gigantic.  4 and a half feet!!!  It is ridiculously big and there is no scenario where this is the correct solution.

OP, Iím just going to give you food for thought...

Your control panel is 5 1/4 inches wider than this one...



Reference:

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,94966.msg998943.html#msg998943

Oh. My. God.

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« Reply #112 on: May 20, 2018, 08:23:25 pm »
That being said, you've ignored gobs of good advice but accepted a 10* angle as something you should do. I'm unaware of how exactly I made fun of you or acted "holier". I said I don't like the cab you based this on. I said it looks worse with a thin profile. I said the CP Angle is too great. I said the center mess is too far off so its a tipping hazard.  I've build a ton of cabs and made a ton of mistakes. If you'd rather remake the same mistakes all over again then who am I to stop you?
I donít have the desire to continue a pissing contest with you or anyone else, especially when it is intertwined with that person saying Iím doing ďXĒ when that simply isnít true. In fact Iíve said multiple times it isnít- yet here we are.

I appreciate constructive criticism, I donít even mind harsh criticism. What befuddles me, and just makes me laugh, is this weird type of projection that you and some others continue to put on my design.

So feel free to tell me doing X is dumb, or better yet suggest I do Y because Z. But please donít tell me my cabinet has AIDS and farted on your motherís eyeball unless you have some sort of reason to claim that. Otherwise this all gets very confusing.

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« Reply #113 on: May 20, 2018, 08:29:13 pm »
OP, Iím just going to give you food for thought...

Your control panel is 5 1/4 inches wider than this one...


Yeah thatís pretty messed up, they didnít even add room for a trackball. Talk about bending the knee...

Iím already cutting out sections on mine now that I have it in front of me and I have sticks in place so Iím able to ďfeelĒ what itís like standing next to someone to figure out how much space I really need between P3 and P1, and p2 and p4.

What I struggle with is how much space I need between P1 > trackball > p2

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« Reply #114 on: May 20, 2018, 09:46:13 pm »
Okay, better update after doing the mock-up:

It looks like after my first test I can cut out 190mm, or 7.48 freedom units.

Checked hand placements and stick movement overlap:



Not too shabby for first go, and yes those are some sweet moccasins:



... which by the way makes my new draft model a whopping 2 1/4Ē (ish) inches less-wide then yotsuyaís dredded Snow Brothers machine. ... thatís enough room for cup holders!  :cheers:

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« Reply #115 on: May 21, 2018, 12:05:35 am »
Stop calling them "freedom units". Americans didn't invent the imperial system, and if anything, our lack of adopting the metric system may be a contributing factor to the idiocy of our youth.
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« Reply #116 on: May 21, 2018, 12:18:29 am »
Stop calling them "freedom units". Americans didn't invent the imperial system, and if anything, our lack of adopting the metric system may be a contributing factor to the idiocy of our youth.
  The metric system?.....Hee,Hee :laugh2:, Ya that totally dumbed down society....(Giggle) From here on out Jennifer will just be her own assistant to human resources ....OMG, (Laugh, and Laugh)

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« Reply #117 on: May 21, 2018, 12:20:45 am »
**Jennifer still laughing....Lets make freedom units "Great again" :laugh2:

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« Reply #118 on: May 21, 2018, 12:40:58 am »
A base 10 system is dumb? 1 foot is cut into 12 inches... 1 inch is broken into half, fourths, eighths, sixteenths, thirtyseconds, sixtyfourths, etc... Clearly imperial is the practical way to go (thick sarcasm for those who never catch it)... And even the OP posted in hundredths of a "freedom unit" while all his measurements on this printout are in millimeters... ::)
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« Reply #119 on: May 21, 2018, 08:07:32 am »
What befuddles me, and just makes me laugh, is this weird type of projection that you and some others continue to put on my design.

But please donít tell me my cabinet has AIDS and farted on your motherís eyeball unless you have some sort of reason to claim that.
I haven't projected anything, you're just being butthurt about what I typed for some reason.

That last line is just utter horseshit.
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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #120 on: May 21, 2018, 08:19:31 am »
Jumping on Malenko is a mistake. He has been doing this a long time. He has offered you advice based on direct experience. If you don't like his advice just say thank you and then do what you want. Your crazy attacks just discourage people from trying to help you. I am pretty much the only person that has told you that you don't have the skill set to pull this off. You can make all of the silly comments you want to me. These other people are actually trying to help you build this steaming turd.

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« Reply #121 on: May 21, 2018, 11:56:49 am »
I haven't projected anything, you're just being butthurt about what I typed for some reason.

That last line is just utter horseshit.
Ok. Thanks for your input.

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« Reply #122 on: May 21, 2018, 12:35:38 pm »
Hey MikeA....You may as well just tell him he's got no friends, and then go buy himself a welder.

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« Reply #123 on: May 21, 2018, 12:53:57 pm »
Your crazy attacks just discourage people from trying to help you.
I did what now?

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #124 on: May 21, 2018, 01:01:36 pm »
This thread has turned into something epic! Lol

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #125 on: May 21, 2018, 01:03:21 pm »
Seriously though, that CP is gonna be way big without bolting that baby to the floor!

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« Reply #126 on: May 21, 2018, 01:04:55 pm »
This thread has turned into something epic! Lol

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #127 on: May 21, 2018, 01:05:45 pm »
Seriously though, that CP is gonna be way big without bolting that baby to the floor!

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #128 on: May 21, 2018, 02:45:11 pm »


Don't angle the whole CP box. This kinda looks like the CP has sagged down under it's own weight. The CP box should be mounted at 90 degree angle (like in your first design draft), only the top of the CP should have that extra angle.

You also REALLY should consider building some kind of support under the CP to keep it from tipping over. My second cab has a CP overhang of 15 cm, the cab is 68 cm deep. Originally I had it standing on 4 wheels but I had to add leg levellers because I could tip the cab over if I wanted to. Now imagine a cab with a huge CP overhang like yours and 4 people leaning on it whilst having a heated multiplayer battle...
                  

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #129 on: May 21, 2018, 02:51:42 pm »


Don't angle the whole CP box.

Good call.  Thanks!
You also REALLY should consider building some kind of support under the CP to keep it from tipping over.
I will be if I don't come up with another solution that allows me to support it.  I will most likely be extending the cab forward a big to support it either way.

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« Reply #130 on: May 21, 2018, 03:02:04 pm »
Perhaps add a sort of "pillar" that has the CP shape?
                  

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #131 on: May 24, 2018, 08:15:42 pm »
Haven't had much time with my new job, but here goes with a cut down size of a CP, and moving it further into the machine..

I'll have to see how I need to change the profile cut to have things match up, and I'll probably take the advice I got and trim off those little small wings.

I also changed the CP tilt to only 5 degrees, so everyone can woosa!  :cheers:






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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #132 on: May 24, 2018, 08:41:44 pm »
Better.

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #133 on: May 24, 2018, 10:09:55 pm »
I have almost no room for 2p and 4p, and even 3p is a little close.

Does anyone have any suggestions how to expand room without make my CP super wide again?

Pictures:

2p:



3p:




4p:

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #134 on: May 24, 2018, 10:21:05 pm »
Congrats on surviving the gauntlet obizues. Some of these guys are ...ahem... passionate  ::)

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« Reply #135 on: May 24, 2018, 10:23:26 pm »
Congrats on surviving the gauntlet obizues. Some of these guys are ...ahem... passionate  ::)

Meh, arenít we all?   :dunno

Any clue how to solve my space problem without turning around and making this thing huge again?

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« Reply #136 on: May 24, 2018, 11:01:49 pm »
Congrats on surviving the gauntlet obizues. Some of these guys are ...ahem... passionate  ::)

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #137 on: May 25, 2018, 12:37:29 am »
Any clue how to solve my space problem without turning around and making this thing huge again?

I didn't realize you had an issue. What you said was:

I have almost no room for 2p and 4p, and even 3p is a little close.
To me, it sounded like the control panel was cozy, but do-able.

A lot of us have learned with 4 player arcade games some lessons:
  • Frequency: How often do you think you'll play 4 player games? For many of us, it's less than we thought and when we did play, being comfortable for the few minutes the game lasts didn't justify a large control panel for the rest of the time
  • Arcade Games: The quality of arcade games leave a lot to be desired for quality multi-player fun. Most of them are quarter sinkers that suffer when credits are free.
  • Space: having comfy space isn't as big of a deal as we though during the planning phase.

Check out some of the classic 4 player games and the control panels that go with them. NBA Jam, Gauntlet, Simpsons, etc. The only reason I could justify a larger CP is to ensure that the controls are lined up so you can play dual 8 way games like Smash TV and Total Carnage.




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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #138 on: May 25, 2018, 01:23:49 am »
Does anyone have any suggestions how to expand room without make my CP super wide again?

Hey obizues, what I did on my panel to save space is reduce the distance between the joystick and buttons. The holes for the joystick and closest corresponding buttons are 3 freedom... er 3Ē... ehem... about 76mm apart on center.  ;)  (About 20mm shorter in distance than slagcoin.) It doesnít feel any different to me, and although my cab is new, others havenít noticed anything either.

Good luck on the build! I like the latest revision!

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #139 on: May 25, 2018, 02:57:34 am »
A base 10 system is dumb? 1 foot is cut into 12 inches... 1 inch is broken into half, fourths, eighths, sixteenths, thirtyseconds, sixtyfourths, etc... Clearly imperial is the practical way to go (thick sarcasm for those who never catch it)... And even the OP posted in hundredths of a "freedom unit" while all his measurements on this printout are in millimeters... ::)
You do realize that not only is that all divisible by 2, But that is how America was built, nuts, bolts cars, houses bridges, war planes, ....So Ya that sarcasm flew over my head by the mile, not the kilos.

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« Reply #140 on: May 25, 2018, 03:31:45 am »
Sure base 10 sucks, but it is simple to understand and does match the amount of fingers we have :)

I'm still cheesed off that English money stopped being base 12 before I was born :)   I want my Beer in a Pint glass although that pint glass will also show (568.3ml) on the side,  I want to buy my baggies by the ounce,  I want to do my measuring by the inch, I want to know my speed in miles not kilometres, I want to know my own weight in st and lb not kg.

But I am very happy to buy my fruit by the Kilogram and my soft drinks by the Litre. 




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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #141 on: May 25, 2018, 07:27:31 am »
To me, it sounded like the control panel was cozy, but do-able.

A lot of us have learned with 4 player arcade games some lessons:
  • Frequency: How often do you think you'll play 4 player games? For many of us, it's less than we thought and when we did play, being comfortable for the few minutes the game lasts didn't justify a large control panel for the rest of the time
  • Arcade Games: The quality of arcade games leave a lot to be desired for quality multi-player fun. Most of them are quarter sinkers that suffer when credits are free.
  • Space: having comfy space isn't as big of a deal as we though during the planning phase.

Check out some of the classic 4 player games and the control panels that go with them. NBA Jam, Gauntlet, Simpsons, etc. The only reason I could justify a larger CP is to ensure that the controls are lined up so you can play dual 8 way games like Smash TV and Total Carnage.

Cozy is definitely doable.  This is great advice.

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #142 on: May 25, 2018, 08:59:09 am »
I would ditch the trackball to take back some space. A trackball in a 2 player/6 button panel is barely do-able unless its wide. The ball ends up too close to the buttons/sticks/bezel to spin it fast. My 2cents..


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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #143 on: May 25, 2018, 09:36:54 am »
I would ditch the trackball to take back some space. A trackball in a 2 player/6 button panel is barely do-able unless its wide. The ball ends up too close to the buttons/sticks/bezel to spin it fast. My 2cents..
Me and my friends enjoy Golden Tee, so that is something that is considered untouchable for me.

What 4-player games use 4 buttons?  I've been trying to look, and I've seen ninja turtles, simpsons, etc, and I might be able to take back a button on each side and make it only 3 buttons.

I still need to come up with a solution to player 2's button hand "falling off" the side.  I may just go with a rectangular look like these MAME remakes:


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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #144 on: May 25, 2018, 09:38:59 am »
To me, it sounded like the control panel was cozy, but do-able.
My 2p is very uncomfortable so that I do need a solution for it.  3p and 4p are less used and probably doable.

A lot of us have learned with 4 player arcade games some lessons:
  • Frequency: How often do you think you'll play 4 player games? For many of us, it's less than we thought and when we did play, being comfortable for the few minutes the game lasts didn't justify a large control panel for the rest of the time
  • Arcade Games: The quality of arcade games leave a lot to be desired for quality multi-player fun. Most of them are quarter sinkers that suffer when credits are free.
  • Space: having comfy space isn't as big of a deal as we though during the planning phase.
I haven't admitted defeat on 4-player games yet since I love those button mashers and I would love to be able to have them for my family events.

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #145 on: May 25, 2018, 09:45:02 am »
I would ditch the trackball to take back some space. A trackball in a 2 player/6 button panel is barely do-able unless its wide. The ball ends up too close to the buttons/sticks/bezel to spin it fast. My 2cents..

I'd have to agree.  The other thing you can do is "angle the player" more; raise the stick up on the left most player and drop the buttons down  and bring them in a little it makes the player stand a little more to the left. Do the opposite for the right most player. I see you posted a pic of a Blitz cab, so that should give you a better understanding of how 4 players can be at a cab at the same time.

As for Lew's "Arcade games" point, you can always limit credits. It doesn't really apply to sports games, which are super fun 4 player.  To be honest I really thought my 4 player cab would get more playtime but the sad truth is, it just didn't.   4 player games with 4 buttons...... I think that's just the 2 D&D CPS2 games but I could be wrong.
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« Reply #146 on: May 25, 2018, 12:32:46 pm »
Me and my friends enjoy Golden Tee, so that is something that is considered untouchable for me.

I get it, I really do cause I did it.
My first panel was a monster:
2-8way Joy, 8 buttons each + p1, p2, p1 coin, p2 coin, trackball w/ 2 buttons, dedicated 4way ball-top & admin buttons.
My current:
1-Servostick, 2 buttons + p1, p2, (+ p1 coin, p2 coin, pause and exit are hidden off the panel)

And all the extra crap from the first is in a box somewhere, lol

For Golden Tee you need so much room around the ball to smack it. I would want 9" minimum between the ball and P2 and about the same to the bezel. If you have the space for a second cab build a dedicated machine for trackball games.. Golden Tees are up on craigslist constantly here in FL, sometimes really cheap if they aren't working. I would buy one if they weren't like 6' deep.

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« Reply #147 on: May 25, 2018, 01:39:51 pm »
4 player games with 4 buttons...... I think that's just the 2 D&D CPS2 games but I could be wrong.
Thanks for insight

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« Reply #148 on: May 25, 2018, 01:42:24 pm »
For Golden Tee you need so much room around the ball to smack it. I would want 9" minimum between the ball and P2 and about the same to the bezel. If you have the space for a second cab build a dedicated machine for trackball games.. Golden Tees are up on craigslist constantly here in FL, sometimes really cheap if they aren't working. I would buy one if they weren't like 6' deep.
I'm starting to come to terms with I need to either make a 2p with Golden Tee or 4p without it..  :hissy:

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Re: First Cabinet Build: I have no idea what I'm doing
« Reply #149 on: May 26, 2018, 06:06:44 pm »
Revamped CP without trackball, and made it rectangular.

Does the spacing seem off to anyone else?


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« Reply #150 on: May 26, 2018, 06:23:23 pm »
Pretty safe layout.

I would move all the joysticks so they are inline (see pic). This would allow you to play SmashTV and Total Carnage.

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« Reply #151 on: May 26, 2018, 06:53:15 pm »
Pretty safe layout.

I would move all the joysticks so they are inline (see pic). This would allow you to play SmashTV and Total Carnage.

I was thinking about that, but got stuck with where to put 3pís buttons.

I understand why you did what you did, but it seems really uncomfortable to play.

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« Reply #152 on: May 26, 2018, 08:23:01 pm »
Pretty safe layout.

I would move all the joysticks so they are inline (see pic). This would allow you to play SmashTV and Total Carnage.

I was thinking about that, but got stuck with where to put 3pís buttons.

I understand why you did what you did, but it seems really uncomfortable to play.

I'd play it. It's how many arcade games were setup.

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« Reply #153 on: May 26, 2018, 09:33:10 pm »
I'd play it. It's how many arcade games were setup.
Do you have an example?

I may just line them all up straight forward...

Here's a mock of my newest cabinet version:


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« Reply #154 on: May 26, 2018, 09:59:40 pm »
Has anyone had a similar issue Iím showing where even though itís spaced ďevenlyĒ it looks like the 3p is extra cramped since the joystick is at the end of the CP?

Would it make sense to shift the other players over, or to move 2p, 3p, and 4p a little closer together?  Or will that also screw up the view / spacing for those players? :dunno

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« Reply #155 on: May 26, 2018, 10:38:13 pm »
I like that rounded C/p better, But possibly with just 2 players and a trackball And some recessed light diffusers. That thing could look pretty cool.....Getting 4 on a machine all at once seems challenging and like it might not happen as much as one might think.

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« Reply #156 on: Yesterday at 12:35:10 am »
Looking much better (and stable), my friend!
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« Reply #157 on: Yesterday at 11:31:54 am »
Looks much better!  If you can't line up all 4 sticks and least get the middle 2 ; then you can still play single player karate champ,  smash tv , etc
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« Reply #158 on: Yesterday at 11:40:39 am »
Well look at that. The big mean bullies were right about everything. You can apologize and thank us any time. ;)

Your design is much better now. Not everyone can swallow their pride and make major changes to their original idea. Kudos to you.

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« Reply #159 on: Yesterday at 11:43:32 am »
Looks much better!  If you can't line up all 4 sticks and least get the middle 2 ; then you can still play single player karate champ,  smash tv , etc
I canít come up with a good 3p solution to line them all up.

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« Reply #160 on: Yesterday at 11:48:02 am »
Well look at that. The big mean bullies were right about everything. You can apologize and thank us any time. ;)

Your design is much better now. Not everyone can swallow their pride and make major changes to their original idea. Kudos to you.

Well the question is what do I do for 3p?  3p and 4p are hanging off the sides.

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« Reply #161 on: Yesterday at 12:08:28 pm »
Well the question is what do I do for 3p?  3p and 4p are hanging off the sides.

To keep the 3rd and 4th players in a slimmer design you are going to have to make some compromises.  Years ago I tried the same thing and mocked up an option with buttons below the joystick.  My priority at the time was being able to play Smash TV and the 3rd and 4th players were just gravy. 

Ultimately I abandoned the 4-player style and just got a dedicated Total Carnage/Smash TV cabinet.


  
 

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