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Avengers: Infinity War
« on: April 28, 2018, 12:39:05 pm »
Hey guys,

Saw Infinity War last night.  My non-spoiler thoughts:

- whether or not you may like Thor Ragnarok, the ending and after credit scene is probably required viewing
- Technically speaking, I'm amazed at the CGI detail in the close-ups of Thanos' face.  There are a few key scenes that I totally forget he's CGI.
- The most action I've seen in a movie, ever
- If you are not a fan of Marvel movies, this won't convert you
- If you are a fan of Marvel movies, this will probably satisfy you
- If you are a fan of comic books and often wondered that these types of movies don't go all out because of budget limitations, well that barrier has been broken.  If I had to guess at the salaries a lot of them make and the amount of quality CGI on display, I gather this thing cost over 300 million to make.
- Although it may not be my fav Marvel movie (GOTG and Winter Soldier are my favs), it's certainly close to a 1c, to the other two's 1b and 1a).
- It's not perfect, but the moment they decide to have almost every hero and character from the Marvel MCU into one movie, you are going to feel some characters get the short end of the stick or some storylines feel a little thin, can't be avoided...
- ... so taking that into consideration, it's a miracle they accomplished what they did because it worked, and I totally get why Marvel threw in everything including the kitchen sink
- Thanos has now supplanted Loki as my fav Marvel villain as the writers correctly gave him the characterization required to make him work.  In Spades
- standouts: Thor, Thor, Thor, Thor and also Thor

Once everyone's seen it, will be interesting to discuss in more detail

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Re: Avengers: Infinity War
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2018, 01:43:56 pm »
Well it wasn't directed by Rian Johnson so it's probably halfway decent. I'm not giving another cent to Disney after the fvck-up that was TLJ
I don't care what they spent and how crazy the action is.

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Re: Avengers: Infinity War
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2018, 03:29:29 pm »
I saw it earlier today, and overall I really liked it.

It could so easily have been a Michael Bay style incoherent mess of a movie. But despite the non-stop action, huge numbers of characters, and little attempt to explain the plot, they somehow managed to get away with it.

I think it worked partly because of the strong central performances, and partly because of the excellent humour which Marvel Studios have really nailed since GOTC.
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Re: Avengers: Infinity War
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2018, 06:03:13 pm »
....no....more....superhero.....movies.....

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Re: Avengers: Infinity War
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2018, 01:04:41 am »
Quiet Wanda lol

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Re: Avengers: Infinity War
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2018, 08:06:49 am »
....no....more....superhero.....movies.....

I'm actually starting to feel this way too. Although I will still go see this and Deadpool 2


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Re: Avengers: Infinity War
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2018, 08:49:23 am »
....no....more....superhero.....movies.....
Marvel has movie plans for the next 7 years, and this one had an opening weekend of $250,000,000................ they aren't going anywhere for a while.

I went and saw A:IW Saturday morning, I thought it was pretty good. It definitely wasn't cookie cutter like previous films and this makes me want to see the next one, unlike the last Star Wars film.  I am looking forward to Antman & the Wasp, and my wife already bought tickets to Deadpool 2.
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Re: Avengers: Infinity War
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2018, 09:57:30 am »
GOTG 2 pretty much killed them in theaters for me.  Avengers Ultraman or whatever was boring as hell.


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Re: Avengers: Infinity War
« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2018, 01:17:44 pm »
I enjoyed the movie for the entertainment value, which was fairly high.  I am not a comic book fan, but I enjoy the movies and like the continuity between them.

They did shove a little too much into this, IMHO, not as bad as batman vs superman, but it distracted from just enjoying the action.

However, the ending left me rethinking how much I will enjoy future Marvel films.

The following are spoilers, I'm hiding them with the spoiler tag but in case it doesn't work on your browser, stop reading!!

I walked out thinking that one of two things had just happened:  Either they just killed off 2 of my favorite franchises and 1 franchise that I have no interest in but is now their most successful at the box office, OR they will pull some ---That which is odiferous and causeth plants to grow--- time travel / reversal in the next Infinity Wars film.  Now that we know Captain Marvel will be involved, it is most likely the cheap "undo everything" tactic.  I say this because I read that her comic book story, she battled Thanos and won, then undid everything he did (with the cosmic cube, not the infinity gauntlet but the story is there).  Also, there are already movies in the queue for Spiderman, GotG, and Black Panther.  They aren't going to just cancel those movies, and who cares about back story if the character is already dead in the present, right?  I walked out feeling like Kathy Bates in Misery when she went on a rant about how you can't just bring your characters back to life after the last episode ended with them dying. 


The rapid pace of the action combined with all the story lines converging made the ending way too abrupt.  It was all massive action and all hell breaking loose, a climax that was perfectly intense, and then BAM, you think you won but we will kill off half of your favorite characters and give you about 2 minutes to mourn their loss and then roll credits and exit to your right or left, have a nice night.  I didn't feel sad for those characters dying like I should have, I just got pissed that it felt like an afterthought.  That is the other reason I started thinking they aren't just going to leave it like this, they will find some lame ass way to bring those characters back. 

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Re: Avengers: Infinity War
« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2018, 04:13:47 pm »
I went to watch it last night.

I didnt expect much of it from the trailers, Looked a bit of a cluster ---fudgesicle--- tbh.
For once I was pleasantly surprised that it came out half decent with some interesting twists and turns.
It was action packed and fun so yeah glad I saw it.

Without giving away anything though Dangggg......

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Re: Avengers: Infinity War
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2018, 04:16:38 pm »
GOTG 2 pretty much killed them in theaters for me.  Avengers Ultraman or whatever was boring as hell.

eh it took a different feel but for some damn reason GG movies are the only one's my kids will sit through and pay attention.
they even started talking through black panther in the theater.

that said I own the original comics.
least I still think I do.
they are all bagged in mylar and stacked in totes and not touched for almost 20 yrs in my old closet in my old room at my parents house.

but, I have a good idea what is going to happen in the movie and heard enough to know there are some key things from the comics that happen in the movie.
I've lived through some god awful movie adaptations from the comics simply because the special effects just were not there.
Superman with christopher reeves was good for it's time for sure.
but most other stuff was just bad.

i'm loving the stuff they are coming out with now.

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Re: Avengers: Infinity War
« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2018, 04:50:34 pm »
The following are spoilers, I'm hiding them with the spoiler tag but in case it doesn't work on your browser, stop reading!!

Im lost. So you're upset Infinity War did pretty much exactly what they did in the comics?
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Re: Avengers: Infinity War
« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2018, 07:25:49 pm »
The following are spoilers, I'm hiding them with the spoiler tag but in case it doesn't work on your browser, stop reading!!

Im lost. So you're upset Infinity War did pretty much exactly what they did in the comics?

Well they can't seem to decide if they are gems or stones so there is that difference. :)

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Re: Avengers: Infinity War
« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2018, 09:58:10 pm »
stones in the movies , gems in the video game :p
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Re: Avengers: Infinity War
« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2018, 11:04:12 pm »
We just got back from seeing it a second time.  Wow they hit it out of the park with this movie.  Marvel is the new Star Wars---it is even close anymore. 

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Re: Avengers: Infinity War
« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2018, 04:24:30 pm »
The following are spoilers, I'm hiding them with the spoiler tag but in case it doesn't work on your browser, stop reading!!

Im lost. So you're upset Infinity War did pretty much exactly what they did in the comics?
No, I didn't read the comics, so I could care less about that.
Killing off entire franchises that are just getting started upsets me.  Figuring they will find some cheesy BS way to bring them back from the dead so they can continue to cash out of the franchises at the expense of halfway decent story telling is going to make it even worse. 

I did read an article that explained a little about how similar this ending is to the comics, and how they handled it.

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Re: Avengers: Infinity War
« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2018, 05:26:14 pm »
Meh.
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Re: Avengers: Infinity War
« Reply #17 on: May 02, 2018, 09:06:55 pm »

No, I didn't read the comics, so I could care less about that.

Your spoiler is pretty much what happened in the comics. And it seems to be what you care about. So I have have no idea what you're talking about.

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Also, the expression is "I couldn't care less"
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Re: Avengers: Infinity War
« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2018, 11:10:16 am »

No, I didn't read the comics, so I could care less about that.

Your spoiler is pretty much what happened in the comics. And it seems to be what you care about.
Great, so the comics had piss poor writing too, doesn't make the movie better. And not knowing anything about the comics gave me an entirely different impression of the ending than you would have had, so I can see why you wouldn't understand my point of view.

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Also, the expression is "I couldn't care less"
My bad, thanks for pointing it out, I hate when I screw up an expression or use poor grammar.  So I will return the favor:
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So I have have no idea what you're talking about.
You used have twice. Is there such thing as a double positive?  :cheers:

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Re: Avengers: Infinity War
« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2018, 11:45:35 am »
Meh, just more capeshit.

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Re: Avengers: Infinity War
« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2018, 11:51:39 am »
You used have twice. Is there such thing as a double positive?  :cheers:
Nope that's my phones predictive text being smarter than me and me not catching it.  Point still stands you are upset at the central point of the movie that's based on the central point of the story arc in the comics that the movies are based on.  It's like being mad that Tony Stark built an Ironman suit in the Ironman movie.
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Re: Avengers: Infinity War
« Reply #21 on: May 03, 2018, 02:13:37 pm »
It's like being mad that Tony Stark built an Ironman suit in the Ironman movie.

Ten years later and that still irks me.

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Re: Avengers: Infinity War
« Reply #22 on: May 03, 2018, 03:23:03 pm »
Must really irk you he built more than 1 in that flick hahahaha


EDIT: Found this, relevant https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/8grvkw/he_may_be_a_grape_but_he_has_a_peasized_brain/
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Re: Avengers: Infinity War
« Reply #23 on: May 04, 2018, 10:51:02 am »
Not sure how I can be more clear.

I am not irritated at the similarities or differences between the comics and movies.  I have never read the comics.  Ever.  I don't care about the comics.  I take the movies at face value. 

At face value, the end of the movie was poorly done, leaving a viewer like me (with zero knowledge of the comics) feeling like they rushed important scenes.  And worse, after some speculation, I felt like they will use some cheap storytelling tactics to later undo everything as if it never happened. 

I then read an article that explained Captain Marvel and how things happened in the comics, and my feelings on how they will reverse the ending seem to be correct.  My opinion of the franchise in general was lowered as a result.  Simple as that. 

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Re: Avengers: Infinity War
« Reply #24 on: May 04, 2018, 10:54:45 am »
I enjoyed the movie.  CGI at the end was a bit off.  Bruce Banner was fully lit in stage lighting while the rest of the characters were not.  His head might have also been the wrong size.  :lol The only thing that I find annoying is that characters have the power to reverse time so nothing really matters.
We stuck around until after the credits.  I really wanted Deadpool to come out and lambaste the audience for being dumb enough to sit through the credits.
Got about what we expected though.  The whole "poor young spidey" thing was laying it on a bit thick.  Seems like they're setting him up to be taken back in time and then be innocent and naive, having no idea that he had traveled into space, fought aliens and died in an alternate timeline.  The only thing I'm curious about is which characters beside Stark will have knowledge of both timelines. 
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Re: Avengers: Infinity War
« Reply #25 on: May 04, 2018, 04:52:23 pm »
I am not irritated at the similarities or differences between the comics and movies.

You seem to be annoyed that the movie is based on Infinity War.
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« Reply #26 on: May 11, 2018, 10:30:59 pm »
Whelp, my ex-wife told me the movie sucked when I picked up the kids after they talked to her about seeing it with me and my brother.
Guess we will just wait until the bluray and go see I feel pretty.





























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Re: Avengers: Infinity War
« Reply #27 on: May 11, 2018, 11:42:55 pm »
Hulk-sized iron man suit was dumb.  Just make him turn into the hulk.

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Re: Avengers: Infinity War
« Reply #28 on: May 12, 2018, 02:31:42 am »
Hulk-sized iron man suit was dumb.  Just make him turn into the hulk.

He couldn't turn into hulk, Hulk was suffering from performance anxiety,  Thanos basically handed it to Hulk like Hulk did to Loki back in the day.

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Re: Avengers: Infinity War
« Reply #29 on: May 12, 2018, 08:13:46 am »
Hulk-sized iron man suit was dumb.  Just make him turn into the hulk.
I actually thought Bruce in the Hulk Buster armor was brilliant, and the way he used it was pretty great too
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« Reply #30 on: May 14, 2018, 04:30:21 pm »
If he's not hulk sized, then why it the suit hulk sized?  How did Stark even make one so quickly?  It makes no sense.  If bigger is better, then why is every other iron man suit regular size?  They should have just given him some Viagra and let him do his thing and "avenge" himself. 

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Re: Avengers: Infinity War
« Reply #31 on: May 14, 2018, 04:35:36 pm »
If he's not hulk sized, then why it the suit hulk sized?  How did Stark even make one so quickly?

You realize the Hulk Buster armor was in Avengers: Age of Ultron right?
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« Reply #32 on: May 15, 2018, 10:04:43 am »
Besides, now you don't even need to make the armor, it is all nanites.  You carry around a pocket sized light bulb that is light enough to hang on a t-shirt and it can become thousands of pounds of armor capable of stopping a moon from crashing down on top of you. 

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« Reply #33 on: May 15, 2018, 12:35:07 pm »
If he's not hulk sized, then why it the suit hulk sized?  How did Stark even make one so quickly?  It makes no sense.  If bigger is better, then why is every other iron man suit regular size?  They should have just given him some Viagra and let him do his thing and "avenge" himself.

Was this the first Marvel movie you have ever seen?  The armor wasn't made for Hulk to wear, it was made to fight Hulk... and what Malenko said...
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« Reply #34 on: May 15, 2018, 01:31:08 pm »
If bigger is better, then why is every other iron man suit regular size?
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Re: Avengers: Infinity War
« Reply #35 on: May 15, 2018, 02:06:22 pm »
Nobody said it was better. Maybe better for specifically getting in a tangle with the hulk. Hulk can't wrap his fist around the body of tony, it comes with more protection from hard hits, and matches on a strength level. I think common sense says it is slower, harder to control, depletes energy quicker, can't reach the high altitudes, etc. A lot a performance features are lost, just like how Tony also refuse to add the type of weaponry that was installed onto War Machine. The dude has experimented with piles of suit modifications, and has always preferred finesse fighting. Seems very consistent.

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Re: Avengers: Infinity War
« Reply #36 on: May 15, 2018, 02:12:18 pm »
If bigger is better, then why is every other iron man suit regular size?
This question has yet to be answered.

*sigh* the Hulk Buster armor is specifically designed by Tony Stark and Bruce Banner to battle the Hulk. Its a specific purpose one off.
Bigger was never defined as better, *most* of Tony's suits are "regular sized" and much like the Hulk Buster, were built for a specific purpose.


Mark V aka the football aka the briefcase armor: Emergency suit that is easily transported.   
Mark XV aka sneaky: basically the stealth suit.
Mark XVI aka nightclub: night time version of the Mark 15, quieter but less powerful weapons.
Mark XVII aka the HeartBreaker: Bulkier suit with a GIANT RT in its chest to fire unibeams and use repulser shields.
Mark XVIII aka Cassanova: a blend of night club and heartbreaker, better daytime stealth than sneaky but the chest cannon isn't as powerful as heartbreaker
Mark XIX aka Tiger: High Velocity prototype use for super sonic flight, but very limited firepower. eventually replaced with the Mark 40
Mark XX aka Python: lightweight long distance flight suit
Mark XXI aka Midas: high altitude suit, precursor to the mark 39


I mean theres a metric ton of them just in the marvel cinematic universe, let alone the comics.  He has suits for underwater, radiation, heavy construction, disaster aid, extreme heat, outerspace, etc etc etc


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« Reply #37 on: May 15, 2018, 02:20:50 pm »

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Re: Avengers: Infinity War
« Reply #38 on: May 15, 2018, 03:24:07 pm »
lol, I had no idea the suits had so much history.  I concede.  But even if all you say is true, it makes no sense in this movie.  If it was a one off and only made to battle against Hulk, then why is it used in this move to battle a hoard of rabid animals?  Seems like another variety would have made more sense.

And if Tony's such a genius, can't he combine the suits together and just make a "super suit" that's fast, strong and has firepower?

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Re: Avengers: Infinity War
« Reply #39 on: May 15, 2018, 03:32:12 pm »
You are asking way too many questions about a comic book movie. Either relax and enjoy it, or poke holes in it all day. It is up to you.

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Re: Avengers: Infinity War
« Reply #40 on: May 15, 2018, 03:37:54 pm »
And if Tony's such a genius, can't he combine the suits together and just make a "super suit" that's fast, strong and has firepower?

No. That sort of technology is only available in Wakanda...
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Re: Avengers: Infinity War
« Reply #41 on: May 15, 2018, 03:43:32 pm »
And if Tony's such a genius, can't he combine the suits together and just make a "super suit" that's fast, strong and has firepower?

No. That sort of technology is only available in Wakanda...
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Re: Avengers: Infinity War
« Reply #42 on: May 15, 2018, 03:54:46 pm »
lol, I had no idea the suits had so much history.  I concede.  But even if all you say is true, it makes no sense in this movie.  If it was a one off and only made to battle against Hulk, then why is it used in this move to battle a hoard of rabid animals?  Seems like another variety would have made more sense.

And if Tony's such a genius, can't he combine the suits together and just make a "super suit" that's fast, strong and has firepower?
Man you really have me sporting my ChadTower approved comic book nerd hat today dontcha?

You cant be gleefully unaware of the source material and critical of it, all at the same time.  The Hulk Buster armor was the closest because Veronica satellite tracks Bruce Banner so that if Iron Man ever needs the armor, its nearby. It felt implied that Banner wouldn't have been much help unless he was in a suit. So it seems to be to be a choice of convenience.

"one suit that can do everything" is such a cop out. There's an evolution of the suits, they keep getting better and better, heck there were 2 or 3 revisions in the first Iron Man movie alone! The Mark 50 "bleeding edge" armor , seen in Infinity War, is supposed to be the best overall armor.  Despite being a comic book movie, they've kept the suit tech somewhat grounded in reality. So for the suit to be faster it has to be lighter. For it to be tougher, it has to be heavier. They've established this in the 6 previous movies Iron Man is featured in. (I1,I2,A,I3,A:AoU, CA:CW).  The Mark 50 is probably the closest they'll get to a "super suit", and even it has its short comings.

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Re: Avengers: Infinity War
« Reply #43 on: May 15, 2018, 03:59:53 pm »
Considering that super-heroing comes down to tussling with powerful humanoids more often than anything else (an inventory of specialized suits does not negate this) I would expect that the every-day armor would be closer to the Hulkbuster design than anything else.

But it's just a movie. It doesn't need a reason other than it looks cool. I was just curious if there was some other justification.
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« Reply #44 on: May 16, 2018, 12:13:13 pm »
Wow, OK, I guess that makes sense.  Thanks for indulging me.  I didn't realize it was so well thought out.

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Re: Avengers: Infinity War
« Reply #45 on: May 16, 2018, 03:47:23 pm »
Another reason for the hulk buster is that it was also one suit that Bruce Banner helped design. Bruce was more scared than anyone of hurting innocents when going hulk, so making the suit was also Bruce's pet project. While it wasn't meant for him to wear, it is probably safe to assume it is the one suit where he fully understood the controls and features.

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Re: Avengers: Infinity War
« Reply #46 on: May 17, 2018, 10:31:20 am »
Considering that super-heroing comes down to tussling with powerful humanoids more often than anything else (an inventory of specialized suits does not negate this) I would expect that the every-day armor would be closer to the Hulkbuster design than anything else.

But it's just a movie. It doesn't need a reason other than it looks cool. I was just curious if there was some other justification.

Yeap that's why the Army uses drones the size of Apache choppers, cause over sized is always the best approach.
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« Reply #47 on: May 17, 2018, 11:54:12 am »
More proof that quoting somebody has no bearing on how much you listened to them.

Looks like I was wrong. It isn't just a movie. It is also yet another opportunity for a high-stakes ego game, as nearly everything seems to be with you.

I realized a possible flaw with my premise. I don't know enough about the MCU to know if it would be applicable or not, but if it is, I was looking forward to conceding it to you or anybody else, just for the change of pace of not dealing with a strawman. Of course that was too optimistic. You're a ---smurfing--- hopeless coward.

Sure, mal, I clearly said there is no scenario in which bigger is not better, and your mockery taught me a valuable lesson. Thanks!
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Re: Avengers: Infinity War
« Reply #48 on: May 17, 2018, 04:16:45 pm »
More proof that quoting somebody has no bearing on how much you listened to them.

Looks like I was wrong. It isn't just a movie. It is also yet another opportunity for a high-stakes ego game, as nearly everything seems to be with you.

I realized a possible flaw with my premise. I don't know enough about the MCU to know if it would be applicable or not, but if it is, I was looking forward to conceding it to you or anybody else, just for the change of pace of not dealing with a strawman. Of course that was too optimistic. You're a ---smurfing--- hopeless coward.

Sure, mal, I clearly said there is no scenario in which bigger is not better, and your mockery taught me a valuable lesson. Thanks!
Any reply is a lose - lose, if I explain myself to allow you to better comprehend what I meant then I'm back tracking. If I ignore you then you call me an elitist ---uvula---. Merely typing a reply that re-enforces that bigger isn't better in a real world example and suddenly its a "high stakes ego game".  The suits aren't all Hulk buster sized because in the source material the suit is human sized, hence Iron Man not Iron "something bigger than a man."

If you'd like some Cinematic Universe examples, a larger suit wouldnt be any more beneficial with Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Loki, Killian, AntMan (in Ant or Giant Man mode), Zemo, Dormammu, etc  These are just examples where a bigger suit would either be less effective, no different, or overkill.

Appreciate the troll bait and name-calling, but I that's just not my cup of tea.
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Re: Avengers: Infinity War
« Reply #49 on: May 18, 2018, 09:26:38 am »
It is also yet another opportunity for a high-stakes ego game, as nearly everything seems to be with you.

"High-Stakes Ego Game"  :laugh2:   Somebody watches too much cable news.
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Re: Avengers: Infinity War
« Reply #50 on: May 19, 2018, 08:42:46 pm »
Watched Show Dogs today. :cheers:
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Re: Avengers: Infinity War
« Reply #51 on: May 22, 2018, 06:11:58 pm »
Watched Show Dogs today. :cheers:
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