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opt2not:
I want to like voyager, but it’s just that Janeway is so unlikeable.

Vigo:
Any school Marm hotness that Janeway had was instantly destroyed by her voice. It was like Urkel after chain smoking 3 packs of cigarettes. :scared

Howard_Casto:
I don't get what people's issue with her voice is.... just sounds like a normal older lady to me.

She was one of the more badass captains. Just watched that episode with the borg children where Janeway orders the Doctor to prepare a biological weapon to kill said children WHILE HOLDING A BORG INFANT IN HER HANDS. That's even more cold-blooded than Sisko.

Vigo:

--- Quote from: Howard_Casto on August 23, 2018, 11:35:20 pm ---I don't get what people's issue with her voice is.... just sounds like a normal older lady to me.

She was one of the more badass captains. Just watched that episode with the borg children where Janeway orders the Doctor to prepare a biological weapon to kill said children WHILE HOLDING A BORG INFANT IN HER HANDS. That's even more cold-blooded than Sisko.

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Probably Cuz she was only 40 when she took on the role of Janeway. too young in my book to be sounding like you should be offering dollar store hard candies to children. ;D

In reality, I didn't mind her from a character standpoint. She was actually pretty good. What bugged me was the trifecta of bland: Harry Kim, Tom Paris and Chacote. They all seemed to be lacking in leading personality and character. I failed to care about any of them. I never felt they brought any consistent tenson, opposing personalities, or real chemistry. I know there are episodes that exhibit their personality, but the next episode they become yes men to Janeway because the writers are busy exploring a different character and can't be bothered developing multiple characters at once.

The other nail in the coffin for me was the fact the series took place completely outside of federation space. More borg, but it brought it down a peg when Starfleet really didn't mean a whole lot to the show. You also felt like nothing is really going to seriously damage the ship that couldn't be repaired by next episode, because they couldn't ever end an episode with them stranded.

Howard_Casto:
Chacote and Kim could be replaced by cardboard cutouts and nobody would notice, but Tom is nothing but personality. Mind you his personality is 90% --cream-filled twinkie--, but it works for him.

I think you are confusing personality with arguing. They did that a lot on TNG.... Worf wanted to blow everything up, Riker wanted to take the risker plan, data wouldn't shut up about the technobabble and Picard played daddy to sort it all out and take a reasonable plan of action. Everybody pretty much got along on Voyager so there was very little conflict. I think that's fine and I think the fact that they just have standard TNG-style episodes are fine as well.

That doesn't mean I don't think the show wasted it's potential though. Most of the things brought up in the pilot are dropped and seldom addressed again. The ship has neural gel packs for data storage.... and I comes up in one episode. Half the crew is maquis the other Starfleet and yet it's seldom brought up with the crew pretty much fully integrated by the first half of the first season. They don't have the federation to back them up and yet they don't seem to have any problem getting out of crazy situations, including multiple borg encounters.

Those are all problems that keep the show from being exceptional, but there is a difference between being bad and just not being outstanding. Voyager does the whole episode of the week thing with typical star trek plots and that makes it a good show, just like enterprise and ds9 and even non star trek shows like Andromeda, Babylon 5, Stargate and Farscape. Somewhere along the line TNG became it's own genre and most of the episodic scifi since has followed that template. My point is it's hard to stand out when every space odyssey on tv is basically doing the same thing.

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