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Howard_Casto:

--- Quote from: pbj on February 08, 2018, 04:46:56 pm ---Not everything has to be a meditation on the futility of human endeavor.
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One of the sequels (#3) was actually kind of similar to Cloverfield Paradox....

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Actually, yes, yes it does, but since we don't have a philosophy forum I'll spare you the reasoning.

There are a LOT of scifi and horror films that are similar to the Cloverfield Paradox, everything from Jason X to Ghost Ship to 13 ghosts.... the only difference is it explains the nonsensical weird murders with science instead of the supernatural. If you want to go there, it even has a lot in common with Jurassic Park. It's a standard "we are trapped in a ____ and we have to work together to get out" cliché. It's done well, it's just we've seen this formula so many damn times at this point.

I think with modern horror being a wasteland of unscary garbage these days, the Cloverfield franchise is at least sticking to the Scifi/Horror roots of the 80's and 90's though, so it's worth checking out every new sequel and spinoff until the shark jump occurs. It's was a serviceable watch at least.

Loafmeister:
Starship troopers: social commentary with role of the press, the nazi uniforms, ... <snip>. Never mind, just take a few min and read the attached article. It's no classic but for me and lots others, there are lots of commentary in there.

https://www.tor.com/2017/02/08/starship-troopers-paul-verhoevens-manic-misunderstood-satire/

I don't expect anyone to read the link and say "oh wow, I changed my mind, lots of deep ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- here", rather it's just to point out a different take on how the movie was received by many others

pbj:
So, it's a satire on fascism because it shows a functional fascist society? One that has its deep militarism justified by winning a desperate war?

That column was word vomit.

Howard_Casto:
Yeah and you've got to remember that at that point in his life, the glorious creator kind of believed all of that fascist b.s. if you read between the lines. When the Nazi uniforms and fascist doctrine are NOT meant to be satire (at least prior to the adaptation) then isn't the only message "the Nazis had a point"?!? I don't think I would be defending that deeper meaning if I were you.

I'm sincerely hoping that the producers of the film were too dumb to see that and just did a fairly faithful adaptation regardless.

Loafmeister:
A functional fascist society?? I get the writer may have believed that but the director certainly gave me the impression he saw things a whole lot different. Heres another take that very much sums up the way I saw this movie, from the way the media is used, to the Colgate smiling action heroes, to the apparent class structure (that isn't seen as a class structure from within because, you know, all about being a citizen).

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/09/starship-troopers-reality-west-war-terror-paul-verhoeven-science-fiction-genius

Now I don't know about "genius" but parts of it are still incredibly relevant today. Anyway it is what it is, just surprised there isn't a bit more love for it

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