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Re: The Grid....
« Reply #520 on: March 11, 2020, 08:16:10 am »
Excellent update   :applaud:
Some fine woodworking skills.

At minimum...  you need to commit to having the cab in one piece by Zapcon!
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Re: The Grid....
« Reply #521 on: March 11, 2020, 08:18:22 am »
Zapcon 2035 maybe.

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« Reply #522 on: March 11, 2020, 08:20:50 am »
Zapcon 2035 maybe.
I'll set it up... you knock it down..
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Re: The Grid....
« Reply #523 on: March 11, 2020, 10:37:10 am »
Looks really nice.  Creative solution on trimming that laminate in the corner - not sure what I wold have done other than curse up a storm.

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Re: The Grid....
« Reply #524 on: March 11, 2020, 06:08:34 pm »
Biggest challenge was keeping the contact cement from getting between the acrylic and the laminate backing.  Actually had to pull off the acrylic while the contact cement was curing and clean it off before putting it back and laying down the laminate.  When I did the top piece I put a small strip of painters tape to cover it so it wouldnít happen again.

Need to do this same treatment to the marquee sides and then this should start really coming together.

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Re: The Grid....
« Reply #525 on: March 17, 2020, 10:37:12 pm »
I guess the one good thing about this virus is that I got a lot of free time in the shop this weekend  ;)

Finished off the panel mount USBís to make em flush:



Used a 28mm wood template that I spent quite a lot of time aligning with the existing hole in the middle to try and get it centered for the tracer bit on the router to do its work.  Came out good:



Installed the remaining DC barrel connectors for power (next to the USB, still need to paint the wood around them), and a headphone jack below the PIR plastic dome.



Then I wanted to get some laminating done so I mostly finished the upper marque area panels.

This time instead of using the PVC pipes and pressing the laminate down from on top, I just laid the wood down on the laminate using the hinge method and applied pressure with my hands on the wood:





When trimming the angled sides I decided to try to match the angle of the cut with the angle base of the router I got:




Worked well, but it DOES create a hell of a sharp edge.  The plastic on the laminate surface turns into a virtual razor blade (got the blood stains to prove it).

Marquee sides got the same treatment as the lower sides with addressable LED strip and P95 Acrylic inlay.  It was fun cutting the path for the wiring:




Put it all together just to feel some sense of accomplishment (still looks funny without a control panel):





Lastly was playing with the addressable LED lights on the disc that I picked up to see how fun that could be:



Wifeís patience is getting thin (she wants her parking spot back), need to wrap this build upÖÖand I havenít even started the control panel  :-[
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Re: The Grid....
« Reply #526 on: March 18, 2020, 05:16:22 pm »
Looks great - the quarantine is treating you right!  Lots of intricate stuff going on here and you have made each part of the cabinet unique.  Can't wait to see this finished!

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Re: The Grid....
« Reply #527 on: March 18, 2020, 05:21:58 pm »
MikeA was wrong..  It will be done before Zapcon..  or..  his shop space will be in the driveway..  with a futon..    :cheers:
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Re: The Grid....
« Reply #528 on: March 18, 2020, 09:38:28 pm »
I love those LED's on your disc!  It is seriously "lit" as the kids say.  Nice job Arroyo.

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Re: The Grid....
« Reply #529 on: March 27, 2020, 12:47:05 pm »
Hey Arroyo where did you get the USB port on your test CP shown on page 4 of this thread?

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Re: The Grid....
« Reply #530 on: March 27, 2020, 12:55:38 pm »
Cheers fellas.


Hey Arroyo where did you get the USB port on your test CP shown on page 4 of this thread?

You mean this one?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DQFGH80/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_c_api_i_a-IFEbKCFQ3KK

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Re: The Grid....
« Reply #531 on: March 27, 2020, 01:00:26 pm »
Cheers fellas.


Hey Arroyo where did you get the USB port on your test CP shown on page 4 of this thread?

You mean this one?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DQFGH80/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_c_api_i_a-IFEbKCFQ3KK
no, on the backside of your test CP panel where you drilled a hole out with a forester bit you installed a USB port presumably so that you could connect all the internal electronics to your PC. It even glows.

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Re: The Grid....
« Reply #532 on: March 27, 2020, 01:12:52 pm »
no, on the backside of your test CP panel where you drilled a hole out.

Ah.  Thatís this guy:

https://a.aliexpress.com/_dTg2dOS

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« Reply #533 on: March 27, 2020, 04:28:52 pm »

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Re: The Grid....
« Reply #534 on: March 27, 2020, 04:48:08 pm »
no, on the backside of your test CP panel where you drilled a hole out.

Ah.  Thatís this guy:

https://a.aliexpress.com/_dTg2dOS

That's a nice find.  :applaud:
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Re: The Grid....
« Reply #535 on: April 02, 2020, 11:52:56 pm »
I'm curious on the dimensions of the side profile.  With that base to hold the CP it looks like it would be too big to fit through a large 32" doorway?  Wheres the machine going when finished?  BTW I love the test light animation for the sides even if just for fun.  A soft pulsing blue animation could be stellar.  Oh and thanks to you I've been contemplating changing up many things on my build.  Curse you and your ambitious originality. ;)

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Re: The Grid....
« Reply #536 on: April 03, 2020, 08:22:00 am »
I'm curious on the dimensions of the side profile.  With that base to hold the CP it looks like it would be too big to fit through a large 32" doorway?  Wheres the machine going when finished?  BTW I love the test light animation for the sides even if just for fun.  A soft pulsing blue animation could be stellar.  Oh and thanks to you I've been contemplating changing up many things on my build.  Curse you and your ambitious originality. ;)
It definitely is with the control panel on.  It is designed to be able to pull it off as it will be screwed into threaded inserts on the cab.  This will be the same process as how I attached the sides to the lower half and the marquee box.

With the control panel off its 32Ē from triangle point to the back.  The width from left to right is 33.75Ē.  The couple of ďstandardĒ doors that I have are 35Ē frame width with about 33Ē from
door frame to exposed door side (in other words, with the door on).  My main doors are much larger at around 42Ē, and I have a lot of sliding doors, so it should be pretty easy to move.  However I would probably need a dolly to go through a standard door frame bringing it from the side as I donít have wheels that move that way.

Iíd say this is one of the design challenges of working with a LCD in the horizontal position.  It forces your cab width to be inherently wide (unless you rotate it vertically which I think is a better idea).  This means in order for it to get through a standard doorway it has to be fairly shallow from front to back. 

I really liked learning how to play with servos and get the rotating monitor going.  And it will mean I get to do something fun with the area behind it (hence the spikes of death ).  However as I mentioned above, if I were using an LCD again (and I wonít, only CRTís going forward) then I would rotate it vertically so that the dimensions of the cab, specifically the width, were more like original machines.  See Laytheís Mimic, or Maximusís Marvel vs. Capcom V2 for examples.

Lastly, you clearly have the skills on the computer to come up with something on your own.  Whether you do it on your first one or save it for later, you definitely should. 

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Re: The Grid....
« Reply #537 on: April 04, 2020, 02:34:46 pm »
I really liked learning how to play with servos and get the rotating monitor going.  And it will mean I get to do something fun with the area behind it (hence the spikes of death ).

I gotta admit, I'm dying to know what those are for.  Waiting on the edge of my seat here for the reveal.   :D

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Re: The Grid....
« Reply #538 on: April 06, 2020, 12:54:22 pm »
I gotta admit, I'm dying to know what those are for.  Waiting on the edge of my seat here for the reveal.   :D

Cheers buddy, yeah me too.  I only hope it looks like IRL what it does in my head.


Been quite busy in the background and wanted to post once I had a little more progress but next post will be too long if I do.


Laminated the exteriors:



Installed the subwoofer:





Finished installing the addressable LEDís in the two discs



and mounted them both & the speakers in their permanent position (well on the board not the floor) ;):



Bought 22 gauge 4 conductor wire that keeps the wiring neat and minimal (see black coiled cable above).  This allows a 12V rail for both sets of LEDís and a ďdataĒ line for the addressable.  Much better than having all those wires with different colors and keeps them bound together.

Little demo of the LEDís installed:



Taped off everything for painting the T-Molding face in case the T-molding isnít perfectly aligned or gets nicked in the future so that the bare wood doesnít show underneath:



As most of you already know the thin piece of tape in the middle is to block the slot for the T-molding from getting paint.  I have painted all the sides now, so glad to have that behind me:



Cut out the bottom portion of the back that will go below the door.  Cut out the wheel wells and laminated it and the interior of the marquee sides that will be exposed when the marquee graphics are installed (will make more sense later).



Now for the real effort.  I wanted to do something different for the ventilation.  My thought was, instead of cutting out some holes why not make a design.  The intention was to keep the disc thing going.  Busted out the circle jig from before:



Then used a forstner bit to finish off the ending curve (thanks for the tip Javery).  Came out pretty clean:



However I wanted a speaker grill installed to keep too much dust from coming in and I wanted to reinforce it as itís a bit fragile.  So I got to routing out the wood:



As I wanted to laminate over this it was going to be a bit of a process as I didnít want the laminate sticking directly onto the speaker grill.  I wanted a smooth surface, so picked up 3/16Ē of Acrylic.



May not be totally obvious from the picture, but the acrylic was pattern cut to the design.  All the screws hold the acrylic and speaker grill in place, and I wanted to make sure my depth was accurate.  The plan is to take out the speaker grill, lay down some laminate (before using contact cement), and pattern cut the laminate.  I was al set to do this and then flipped over the piece to see this:



I had originally thought I liked the idea of the mesh being close to the surface, but after seeing this I think I like the depth better.  Maybe itís because of the contrasting colors :dunno.  With cut wood interior being exposed though it means I have to paint it.  In general I donít like painting.  But Iíve already masked it off so weíll see where this goes.
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« Reply #539 on: April 06, 2020, 01:03:07 pm »
Looks very nice  :applaud:   - Must be near the end of the laminate work!

The Youtube link is broken  :(

Why tape off the T-molding slot?  Not sure I understand that.
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« Reply #540 on: April 06, 2020, 01:27:45 pm »
Looks very nice  :applaud:   - Must be near the end of the laminate work!

The Youtube link is broken  :(

Why tape off the T-molding slot?  Not sure I understand that.

Just this back door and then laminate work should be done (well until I get to the control panel).

Fixed the link, thanks for pointing that out.

Taping of the T-molding slot is to prevent paint from getting into the slot and therefore screwing up the precise width it is supposed to be to match the t-molding spline, it can also screw up the depth.  Sounds like you didn't have any trouble doing it without it?

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« Reply #541 on: April 06, 2020, 01:35:58 pm »
I used oil based Rustolium and brushed it on and make it all black..I suppose latex could potentially gum up the works..  but there is no need to paint inside the slot at all. 
Just paint over it with a roller..  There is nothing precise about T-molding.  If fact - on particle board it tends to push it apart (causing the sides to bulge a bit) until the splines compress after a day or so..)  The plywood is a little stiffer.. But you may see a little bulge until the splines I(and wood) compress on it too..

Great detailed work  - I'm a fan :)







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« Reply #542 on: April 06, 2020, 01:38:33 pm »



This looks very nice.  Much better than what I fumbled together.  Is that foam on the back of the lights?


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« Reply #543 on: April 06, 2020, 01:42:54 pm »
Is that foam on the back of the lights?

Actually it's the plastic "C-Ring" that came with the SoulInertia kit.  Didn't have that when you bought yours?

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« Reply #544 on: April 06, 2020, 01:52:00 pm »
Is that foam on the back of the lights?

Actually it's the plastic "C-Ring" that came with the SoulInertia kit.  Didn't have that when you bought yours?

Well it was a long time ago and apparently I forgot.  Looking through my build log I did indeed have the same C-Ring. 

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« Reply #545 on: April 06, 2020, 03:19:15 pm »
 :lol  "C-Ring"...

(sorry, apparently I'm 12)

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Re: The Grid....
« Reply #546 on: April 06, 2020, 05:01:50 pm »




I really like how this turned out.

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« Reply #547 on: April 06, 2020, 05:22:14 pm »
I really like how this turned out.

Likewise, looks really good.

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« Reply #548 on: April 06, 2020, 07:39:02 pm »
Arroyo - top notch work as always.  Very exciting to see the cabinet laminated and standing up.  You must be getting close to getting it playable and then disappearing for a while! 

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« Reply #549 on: April 13, 2020, 02:52:46 pm »
I really like how this turned out.

Likewise, looks really good.

:cheers:

You must be getting close to getting it playable and then disappearing for a while! 
:laugh2:

If I had my way Iíd keep building, but I think I need to buy some political capital from the wife when this things done.  Thereís going to be a lot of ďyes dearĒ for long time me thinks.


Wrapped up the back door this weekend.

A LOT of work for something few people will see :dunno

Wanted to paint the interior and stupidly started priming:



Got what I deserved. 

Reached out to OND as he is my paint hero (among other things).  Got a good chuckle out of him when I sent the above pick.  So yeah, lots of sanding and filling was in my future.  But how to sand this thing hmmmÖ..



120 grit glued to 1inch dowel held in place by rubber bands until it dried.  After many hours of using this and bondo, and wood filler I got this:



Getting a smooth surface on all of those surfaces means many a sore shoulder.  Ideally I would have had the dowel screwed down onto another piece of wood so I could ensure it would stay at a right angle to the piece at all times, but I didnít have the patience. Took a lot of focus to keep myself from wobbling the dowel while sanding. :stupid:

Anyway applied the laminate to the side that I didnít cut the inlay on:



Then I wanted to pre-cut the other side as I didnít trust the flush trim bit to not take off some paint if I waited to do it later:



Masked off the area for painting (black):



then white:




I learned a lot from this painting experience. 

#1) It takes a lot of time and patience (sanding, bondo, priming, sanding, & cure times for paint)
#2) Itís easy to spray too much paint.
#3) Put your money into your primer.
#4) the lighter the mist of spray the more even your paint job will be.
#5) Read the instructions carefully.
#6) Oil vs. latex.  So far in my limited experience oil seems to get a nicer more durable finish, however it come with terrible VOCís, and you need to make sure you have a good respirator.

Anyway moving on.

Lined up the precut disc laminate with the embedded acrylic and grill:



Purposely only did this half first so that we (need two people on this one) could keep clamps on the rest of the piece to maintain the alignment of the discs.  Marked off where to put contact cement on both sides, and drilled holes in the corners and tied them to the top of the clamps to keep the pieces separate while drying. I had the acrylic and speaker grill off to the side to prevent the contact cement from getting on it, and applied to the acrylic face only.  Then put back in place and screwed everything down.

When doing the other side had to use a paint brush to get into the corners while it was tied up:



Came out good on this side (hadnít cleaned the laminate yet):



And for the paint side which had been drying for 24 hours:



Pulled off tape and used Exacto blade to flush trim excess build up:



And final:




I think both actually look nice, still trying to decide which one should face outwards.  Opinions?

No paint side:



Paint side:

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« Reply #550 on: April 13, 2020, 03:15:17 pm »
Looks beautiful. I gotta go with no paint side out. Looks too open with paint side out. Like it could be broken off.

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« Reply #551 on: April 13, 2020, 04:00:11 pm »
Nice backside   :laugh2:
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« Reply #552 on: April 13, 2020, 04:31:25 pm »
Ring side out.

I want one of your kids wearing that ring like a hat 5 minutes after you roll the cab out.

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« Reply #553 on: April 13, 2020, 06:02:14 pm »
Looks beautiful. I gotta go with no paint side out. Looks too open with paint side out. Like it could be broken off.

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But this is so freaking beautiful.  You should make it your new avatar picture.  It looks like you somehow got white Nintendo flat t-molding in an impossible space.



Cutting that laminate first and then gluing it?  Impressive...most impressive.   :applaud:

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Re: The Grid....
« Reply #554 on: April 13, 2020, 06:52:36 pm »
I'm bucking the trend, I like paint side out.  That structure is beautiful with the mesh behind. I'd want to show it.

(To be fair, though, I'm known to make some questionable design choices, I wouldn't consider me none too sane, here.)

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Re: The Grid....
« Reply #555 on: April 13, 2020, 11:26:15 pm »
Cheers boys :cheers:

Seems the voting is about the same as it is at home, almost split down the middle.  Iíll keep this open until the weekend when I gotta make the decision and move on to the next bit.

Appreciate the feedback!

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Re: The Grid....
« Reply #556 on: April 14, 2020, 09:31:50 am »
Arroyo you are officially crazy.  We always knew it but I'm declaring it.  Awesome work.  A couple of things:

1.  The balls to cut the laminate and THEN try to line it up for the contact cement.  Damn.
2.  Spending all this time and effort on something only you will know is even there - love it.
3.  I like the ring side facing out with the mesh recessed.  You have crossed over into art territory and this piece looks really cool.  It will also be easier to dust occasionally.

You are motivating me to get going again.  Been a little bummed out during this quarantine to do much of anything.  :cheers:

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Re: The Grid....
« Reply #557 on: April 14, 2020, 10:30:56 am »
I thought the paint side in looks better and that was my opinion before reading any responses.

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Re: The Grid....
« Reply #558 on: April 14, 2020, 11:44:54 am »
Beautiful!

Amazing attention to detail and how you managed to create all the complicated elements without using CNC router is just mind boggling to me. Respect.

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Re: The Grid....
« Reply #559 on: April 14, 2020, 02:48:18 pm »
Arroyo you are officially crazy.  We always knew it but I'm declaring it.  Awesome work.  A couple of things:

1.  The balls to cut the laminate and THEN try to line it up for the contact cement.  Damn.


I'm considering doing all my laminating like that now.   ;D

Seriously that is just bananas Arroyo.