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The Grid....(Redesign)
« on: January 08, 2018, 01:11:30 am »
Thought I'd post the latest pics here:




The following is the original post:


First post, first build....

So thought I was good with this...
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« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2018, 01:14:09 am »
Which after realizing I couldn't play Arkanoid and Discs of Tron led me to find this: 


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« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2018, 01:15:25 am »
Which led me to this:
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=135116.0


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« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2018, 01:17:43 am »
Which made me wanna buy this:
https://www.mameroom.com/webstore.asp?categoryID=42


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« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2018, 02:12:55 am »
After reading these forums knew I had to do it myself.  Huge Tron fan so took a stab at the artwork and came up with this:, but after seeing the talent in here realized I needed help.  Hired (digitalcutti) at Fiverr to do the artwork (published Marvel artist) and came up with this:

Idea is that you are on ďThe GridĒ'

Gonna make all the n00b mistakes:

Rotating monitor (thank you Maximus,DNADan)
LED buttons (thank you ChanceKJ and Nephasth)
Dynamic Marquee: (thank you Blip and Mimic, i.e. markc74 and Laythe)
Frankenpanel (yes I know, but hopefully its not too bad :D

Sketchup drawing so far:



I have a couple of ideas that I THINK, havenít been done so far but with all of the talent on this forum itís probably been done and I just missed it.

Looking forward to posting at a SLOW pace (two kids).

Oh and if it wasn't blatently obvious, I totally ripped off Chance's design.  Thanks Chance ;)
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Re: The Grid....
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2018, 12:59:10 pm »
I like your theme and it is interesting how you made the artwork wrap around the cabinet.  Good luck with your build!

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Re: The Grid....
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2018, 01:18:08 pm »
Thanks wp34, I gotta say I thought I had some original ideas but then saw your Tron build and well, you already nailed it.  Gonna do the same Soulinertia discs you did but over the speakers.  Also been working on my Tron stick:


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Re: The Grid....
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2018, 01:41:01 pm »
Nice.  I had a lot of fun putting those discs together. I like the location you chose to place yours.   

Looking forward to seeing your progress.   :cheers:

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« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2018, 08:39:21 pm »
I dig the level of commitment on hiring out the art... that wraparound art looks pretty rad!

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Re: The Grid....
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2018, 11:07:23 pm »
wp34 those discs made it snow black for an entire weekend.  Twice had to get the saline out to dig out bits in my eye before I threw on the goggles, slow learner, LOL.

Morton, yeah I highly recommend digitalcutti at Fiverr, very professional and easy to work with.

Plan on posting more this weekend when some parts come in for my monitor....well laid plans... weíll see.🤞


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« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2018, 08:01:58 am »
wp34 those discs made it snow black for an entire weekend.  Twice had to get the saline out to dig out bits in my eye before I threw on the googles, slow learner, LOL.

Ha!  I could smell the plastic burning again when I read this.   :cheers:

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Re: The Grid....
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2018, 09:21:26 am »
Where are you guys sourcing the tron style flight stick?

I canít seem to find a good quality flight stick anywhere


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Re: The Grid....
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2018, 11:09:48 am »
The main sticks you can get here:

https://na.suzohapp.com/products/joysticks&FNAME=JOYSTICK_TYPE&FVAL=Heavy%20Duty%20Joystick&FUOM=

It depends on if you want digital or analog.  I went with digital but will be attaching a U360 onto the base so that I can get analog and digital controls.

The UV reactive blue shell you can get here:
http://groovygamegear.com/webstore/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=319

 I plan on doing a write up once I get it put together, to describe everything and source of parts.

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Re: The Grid....
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2018, 02:36:03 pm »
I'm really digging the theme and the art  :o !  Looking forward to the final product!

Do you have any templates you could share, whether 3D or art? I'm about to start the design stage for my build and am currently sourcing templates.

Good luck and I'll look out for your next update!
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Re: The Grid....
« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2018, 09:42:31 pm »
Thanks, yeah I spent a lot of time with the artist on a theme, he was very patient with me[emoji851].

As for the templates not sure exactly what your looking for but I figured Iíd throw up dimensions of the side panels.  The one on the left is ChanceKJís Flynn design.  The one on the right is the modified version I made to accommodate the dynamic Marquee and rotating screen and also a lower control panel height (37Ē, I think Chances came out to 40Ē).

I can attach the original CAD files that he made public or also give you my version if thatíd help.

If you havenít already Iíd highly recommend building the machine in Sketchup or some CAD program, letís you test out any ideas and make any changes before cutting wood and finding out stuff doesnít fit the way you thought it would.


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Re: The Grid....
« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2018, 11:57:35 pm »
Oh man! This is so cool!

 :cheers:

Can't wait to see this built. Good call on the marquee and I love your art package!

(oh and thanks for the shoutouts :D )

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Re: The Grid....
« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2018, 09:34:21 am »
You da man Chance.
Now get back to the Sheriff restoration, I wanna see that thing runnin!

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Re: The Grid....
« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2018, 09:48:33 am »
You know your build has a pinball twin  :applaud:



Looking forward to seeing what you do with this......TRON is da bomb :blowup:
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« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2018, 03:08:02 pm »
Thatís awesome, who built that?

Cheers by the way Rodney, loved your MKX build, that was clean, and the graphics were sick![emoji108]

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« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2018, 03:42:33 pm »
Nice looking project!
You guys have such great artist skills..
Looking forward to the updates.
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Re: The Grid....
« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2018, 03:56:13 pm »
While itís no secret Iím not a fan of that particular cabinet shape, I do want to say that your artwork is superb and I do dig the speaker discs. Kudos to you for reaching out to a professional artist and valuing his work.

If you need anything, just ask. :cheers:
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« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2018, 04:48:11 pm »
While itís no secret Iím not a fan of that particular cabinet shape, I do want to say that your artwork is superb and I do dig the speaker discs. Kudos to you for reaching out to a professional artist and valuing his work.

^ All of this.
Too bad about the shape design, especially the control panel, but great planning so far. Looking forward to how that artwork turns out.

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« Reply #22 on: January 10, 2018, 08:26:56 pm »
Thanks bperkins wish I could take the credit for the talent.

Yotsuya & opt2not - thanks for chiming in, any praise from you two is awesome, but Iíll bank it for when I actually get this thing built[emoji6].

I actually was conflicted a lot on the design, Iím a 79í kid so my experience was split between the 80ís and 90ís stuff.  Huge fighting game fan and loved the 4 player TMNT NBA Jam 4 player games, and at the same time loved some of the classics with spinners and flight sticks. 

Worked on the art before really diving into Sketchup and kinda committed at this point.  If Iím able to build cab #2 Iíd love to design something on my own.  Cheers guys.

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Re: The Grid....
« Reply #23 on: January 10, 2018, 10:03:55 pm »
Thanks bperkins wish I could take the credit for the talent.

Yotsuya & opt2not - thanks for chiming in, any praise from you two is awesome, but Iíll bank it for when I actually get this thing built[emoji6].

I actually was conflicted a lot on the design, Iím a 79í kid so my experience was split between the 80ís and 90ís stuff.  Huge fighting game fan and loved the 4 player TMNT NBA Jam 4 player games, and at the same time loved some of the classics with spinners and flight sticks. 

Worked on the art before really diving into Sketchup and kinda committed at this point.  If Iím able to build cab #2 Iíd love to design something on my own.  Cheers guys.

I like your enthusiasm, brother. Youíre all right.

Good luck with the build. Where you located?
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« Reply #24 on: January 10, 2018, 10:18:24 pm »
Between two kids and a full time job this is EASILY the coolest thing I got going on.  Love to find someone else in San Francisco area that gets it, cause when I tell the peeps I get:

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« Reply #25 on: January 10, 2018, 10:34:21 pm »
Between two kids and a full time job this is EASILY the coolest thing I got going on.  Love to find someone else in San Francisco area that gets it, cause when I tell the peeps I get:


Opt2Not is in SF. You should come to ZapCon Ď18 with him! ;)
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« Reply #26 on: January 10, 2018, 10:42:21 pm »
Love to but Iím gonna be in Japan visiting the in-laws.  Is it always the third week in April?  Maybe I can block it off for 2019.


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« Reply #27 on: January 10, 2018, 10:49:31 pm »
Love to but Iím gonna be in Japan visiting the in-laws.  Is it always the third week in April?  Maybe I can block it off for 2019.


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Not necessarily, but usually. Plan for Ď19. DIUBA!
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« Reply #28 on: January 10, 2018, 10:56:39 pm »
Calendered

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« Reply #29 on: January 10, 2018, 10:58:40 pm »
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« Reply #30 on: January 10, 2018, 11:14:57 pm »
Calendered


ďIím the man up in this place. Iím the poh-lice, I run steaming pile of meadow muffin round hereĒ


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« Reply #31 on: January 10, 2018, 11:56:51 pm »
Opt2Not is in SF. You should come to ZapCon Ď18 with him! ;)
Not anymore! I moved to the Silicon Valley. :D

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« Reply #32 on: January 11, 2018, 12:34:58 am »
Opt2Not is in SF. You should come to ZapCon Ď18 with him! ;)
Not anymore! I moved to the Silicon Valley. :D

Thatís right. Well, youíre closer to homie than I am!
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« Reply #33 on: January 11, 2018, 10:47:37 pm »
Thatís awesome, who built that?

Cheers by the way Rodney, loved your MKX build, that was clean, and the graphics were sick![emoji108]

Little old me built the pinball as well, doubled back and built a killer instinct, now working on injustice 2.

Will be following this while munching popcorn.......am a tron fan for sure.....ought to be top notch.
   

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« Reply #34 on: January 11, 2018, 11:51:51 pm »
Little old me built the pinball as well, doubled back and built a killer instinct, now working on injustice 2.

Will be following this while munching popcorn.......am a tron fan for sure.....ought to be top notch.


Dunno how I missed that. This pic right here says it all:

Thatís a legit build, Iíd love to try a Vpin some day just for the challenge.
Cheers bro, Iíll try to keep up the standard you set.
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« Reply #35 on: January 12, 2018, 12:58:53 am »
Opt2Not is in SF. You should come to ZapCon Ď18 with him! ;)
Not anymore! I moved to the Silicon Valley. :D

You been to Coin-Op or Brewcade before you left?  Still not sure how I feel about the Barcade thing....

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« Reply #36 on: January 12, 2018, 03:44:25 am »
Opt2Not is in SF. You should come to ZapCon Ď18 with him! ;)
Not anymore! I moved to the Silicon Valley. :D

You been to Coin-Op or Brewcade before you left?  Still not sure how I feel about the Barcade thing....
Yeah Iíve been to Brewcade on the regular to throw up a high score on their multi-Williams (mainly Robotron) or 1942. I like their beer selection and the times I go there arenít many people there. Which is part of the problem because of Killer Queen. Nothing infuriates me more than some hipster trying to recruit me to play that game  with 9 of his/her friendís. Especially when Iím there to chill, drink beer, and enjoy some single player hi score action. Then say I do cave and join in, the first 15 minutes is them explaining to me how to play the darn thing. Yeah ďbruhhhĒ Iíve played this game before. Itís just ďokayĒ.

They have an small selection of games, the notables are R-type, Paperboy, a Neo Geo 4 slotter, ms pac, 1942 and of course the Williams cab. The rest are drivers and some quarter munchers. There are a few pins too.  I like the place overall because I lived a few blocks away and it was a go-to spot to unwind on my way home from work.
Emporium SF is apparently open now, and itís supposed to be huge. Itís an old converted theatre with multiple floors of games. Next time Iím back in the city for a visit Iíll check it out.

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« Reply #37 on: January 12, 2018, 08:42:53 am »
Which is part of the problem because of Killer Queen. Nothing infuriates me more than some hipster trying to recruit me to play that game  with 9 of his/her friendís. Especially when Iím there to chill, drink beer, and enjoy some single player hi score action. Then say I do cave and join in, the first 15 minutes is them explaining to me how to play the darn thing. Yeah ďbruhhhĒ Iíve played this game before. Itís just ďokayĒ.

^This right here. 
If anyone wants to see how NOT to build an Arcade then checkout a 8 player Killer Queen on side by side 50Ē screens.
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« Reply #38 on: January 12, 2018, 08:58:22 am »
10 player! 5v5. Itís a MASSIVE machine!

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« Reply #39 on: January 12, 2018, 09:02:25 am »
I donít know, some of the cabs I see being built approach the dimensions of one of them at least. ;)
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« Reply #40 on: January 12, 2018, 10:11:21 am »
I donít know, some of the cabs I see being built approach the dimensions of one of them at least. ;)
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« Reply #41 on: January 12, 2018, 10:24:58 am »
I donít know, some of the cabs I see being built approach the dimensions of one of them at least. ;)


Heh. Naw, I wasnít referring to you. Seriously. ;)

But I have seen cabs here that need to upgrade to the husky size in boys pants.
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« Reply #42 on: January 12, 2018, 10:44:08 am »
Heh. Naw, I wasnít referring to you. Seriously. ;)

But I have seen cabs here that need to upgrade to the husky size in boys pants.

Couldn't pass up the opportunity for a good meme ;)

Got some parts in yesterday, looking forward to posting some actual build pics and updates, not that I don't enjoy the banter ;D

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« Reply #43 on: January 12, 2018, 10:58:05 am »
Which is part of the problem because of Killer Queen. Nothing infuriates me more than some hipster trying to recruit me to play that game  with 9 of his/her friendís. Especially when Iím there to chill, drink beer, and enjoy some single player hi score action. Then say I do cave and join in, the first 15 minutes is them explaining to me how to play the darn thing. Yeah ďbruhhhĒ Iíve played this game before. Itís just ďokayĒ.

^This right here. 
If anyone wants to see how NOT to build an Arcade then checkout a 8 player Killer Queen on side by side 50Ē screens.

I actually like that about Killer queen. Makes the game impossible to see the "Big picture" Your eyes are so focused on what your guy is doing, you are clueless the the fact about how they are scoring. It would be ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- for any other game to be 10" from a massive screen, but it works with that game.

Plus, I really like playing at zapcon to see those 5th graders shocked they are getting their asses handed to them by middle aged dudes. They they don't realize we had that game when we were their age, just called Joust. To hear their pile of excuses and seeing them blame others is gold to my ears.

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« Reply #44 on: January 12, 2018, 11:01:49 am »
Which is part of the problem because of Killer Queen. Nothing infuriates me more than some hipster trying to recruit me to play that game  with 9 of his/her friendís. Especially when Iím there to chill, drink beer, and enjoy some single player hi score action. Then say I do cave and join in, the first 15 minutes is them explaining to me how to play the darn thing. Yeah ďbruhhhĒ Iíve played this game before. Itís just ďokayĒ.

^This right here. 
If anyone wants to see how NOT to build an Arcade then checkout a 8 player Killer Queen on side by side 50Ē screens.

I actually like that about Killer queen. Makes the game impossible to see the "Big picture" Your eyes are so focused on what your guy is doing, you are clueless the the fact about how they are scoring. It would be ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- for any other game to be 10" from a massive screen, but it works with that game.

Plus, I really like playing at zapcon to see those 5th graders shocked they are getting their asses handed to them by middle aged dudes. They they don't realize we had that game when we were their age, just called Joust. To hear their pile of excuses and seeing them blame others is gold to my ears.

We should have enough to have a LOCALS v. OUT-OF-TOWNERS Game again! Huzzah!
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« Reply #45 on: January 12, 2018, 11:59:51 am »
Game on!! Was a great final event when we did it 2 years ago, would love to do it again.

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« Reply #46 on: January 12, 2018, 12:13:15 pm »
Game on!! Was a great final event when we did it 2 years ago, would love to do it again.

Weíre posting this here to get you pumped about ZapCon Ď19, Arroyo!!! [emoji6]
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« Reply #47 on: January 12, 2018, 12:37:03 pm »
Game on!! Was a great final event when we did it 2 years ago, would love to do it again.

Weíre posting this here to get you pumped about ZapCon Ď19, Arroyo!!! [emoji6]

Step 1: Visit Bank - get LOTS of quarters
Step 2: Head to Brewcade and take lessons from opt2not
Step 3: Book ticket to Phoenix for April 2019.
Got it! 

Actually have clients in Arizona, so it's not that crazy. :cheers:

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« Reply #48 on: January 12, 2018, 02:05:35 pm »
Step 1: Visit Bank - get LOTS of quarters
Step 2: Head to Brewcade and take lessons from opt2not
If you're getting lessons from me, you won't need a lot of quarters. ;)

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« Reply #49 on: January 12, 2018, 02:28:56 pm »
Step 1: Visit Bank - get LOTS of quarters
Step 2: Head to Brewcade and take lessons from opt2not
If you're getting lessons from me, you won't need a lot of quarters. ;)
I'll bring the notepad and a sixpack 8)

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« Reply #50 on: January 12, 2018, 02:45:07 pm »
Step 1: Visit Bank - get LOTS of quarters
Step 2: Head to Brewcade and take lessons from opt2not
If you're getting lessons from me, you won't need a lot of quarters. ;)

I truly canít wait to see you play Robotron at ZapCon!!
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« Reply #51 on: January 12, 2018, 02:55:38 pm »
I second that.

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« Reply #52 on: January 12, 2018, 05:16:55 pm »
I truly canít wait to see you play Robotron at ZapCon!!

I second that.

I'll try not to disappoint. ;)

I can't wait till Robotron is picked for the high-score comp here again.

It was the #5 comp back in 2008, and I was playing on one of those arcade legends machines, before I was able to acquire my grail cab (and yes, it's an actual grail as it took me years to find the cabaret/mini version, and I drove 6 hours to the middle of Washington farmland to get it).  (+_+) won that comp with a score that I can easily get on proper controls now. Using those old Happ Comps were a real pain back then.  Wico-leafz 4 lyfe son!
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« Reply #53 on: January 13, 2018, 07:51:18 am »
The robot screen name reminds me of just how long it has been since Marc Fournier was around.  He kind of disappeared from teh interwebz?!?!


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« Reply #54 on: January 16, 2018, 01:01:19 am »
Ok, so I need to outline the project timeline.  I recently sold our home and am renting so the bulk of the project up front will be focused on the electronics as I can't really get wood at the moment (insert joke).  So I am focusing on the electronics for now. 

I figured the most difficult part will be figuring out the rotating monitor, so I thought I would start there.  I actually started a little while ago, and got some additional parts this last week that let me make some real head way:

First off, why do a rotating screen?  I found out early on in my searching that playing vertical games (Donkey Kong, 1942, Dig Dug, etc.) looked really weird on a horizontal screen:

Huge black bars on the sides and generally a squished image.

I originally started with this:


A Hitec 755MG with the Servo Block from Servo City.  Solid stuff, but ultimately I found was underpowered for my application.

I am trying to rotate a HP z30i monitor (30" 16:10 LED LCD), which weighs about 17lb, and while I could turn the monitor it never really worked right:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/C7SjthYmb2M

So I got working on a new servo that came in this last week.

Most people when choosing to do a rotating monitor use a big circle to hide the area behind the screen.  I am choosing to do the opposite and instead highlight the area behind the screen with lit artwork:


So to highlight the artwork behind the screen I am choosing to place the monitor on a stand:

Married to a mounting plate:

Which will attach to a VESA mounting plate that will connect to the monitor:

Drilled for the attachments:

Drilled a hole for the shaft (1"):

End result:

Bought a new motor:

A Channel Mount Servo Gearbox from Servo City with 900oz/inch of torque vs. the previous 180oz/inch.
Side view:

Mounted to a channel carriage:

With an assortment of 1" (diameter) 8 spoke hub shafts of various lengths.
Here it is mounted together:

Side view:

Apply the shaft:


And mount it to the mounting plate after drilling some holes:

(upside down)
Attached:



Check voltage before applying:

Bring 12V down to 7.5V:

Hookup Polulu Micro Maestro to power source and Servo Gearbox for control of the servo:


Mount 3 Neodymium magnets to mounting plate head each side lower half of hub shaft (Servo City):

Side view:

Back angle view:

And use the Micro Maestro Control Center to set some target positions.  Here's a fast example:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/LJC8qFKfmoM

And slightly slower with a look at the back:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/Lhv9vV37Mxw

Still waiting on a 1" bearing to support the hub shaft.  Don't know that it really needs it, but perhaps it will help to relieve some strain on the Servo Gearbox.  More to come....
 
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« Reply #55 on: January 16, 2018, 01:14:49 am »
Too bad youíre not using a 4:3. I think overall it might work better with what youíre trying to accomplish.
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« Reply #56 on: January 16, 2018, 01:15:28 am »
Having said that, I get the size limitations of a 4:3, but oh well.
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« Reply #57 on: January 16, 2018, 08:47:31 am »
Having said that, I get the size limitations of a 4:3, but oh well.
I hear ya, the purist in me agrees, but it wouldnít match as well with the dynamic monitor and I would give up modern Steam games.  I figure with it being 16:10 itís closer to 4:3 and the screen area of the 16:10 will be the equivalent of a 24Ē 4:3 monitor which as youíve pointed out is tough to come by.  My hope is that a dark enough plexiglass will hide the bezels and the effect will be the floating monitor in 4:3 or 16:10 depending on the game, surround by a continuation of the theme around it.

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« Reply #58 on: January 16, 2018, 09:34:15 am »
As long as you paint everything black behind the plexi, eliminate any light sources internally, and use a "medium"/"Medium light" grade of tinted plexi you'll be fine.  Obviously non-black things that are hidden behind your monitor, like that bad ass rotational rig won't need to be painted black.

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« Reply #59 on: January 16, 2018, 10:35:51 am »
As long as you paint everything black behind the plexi, eliminate any light sources internally, and use a "medium"/"Medium light" grade of tinted plexi you'll be fine.  Obviously non-black things that are hidden behind your monitor, like that bad ass rotational rig won't need to be painted black.
Hey look at that another early riser!
Thanks for the advice Chance.  My hope is to actually have artwork behind the monitor, light it up subtly with LED strips on the internal braces, and that if everything else is black hopefully it will still hide the monitor, if it doesn't then I can always turn the LED's off and it will hide everything.  I'd love to model it in Sketchup but I don't think you could see all the effects of lighting modeled accurately, gonna have to be a leap of faith on this one I think.  Looking forward to calling this part of the project done and moving on to other cool stuff. Cheers :cheers:

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« Reply #60 on: January 16, 2018, 07:43:15 pm »
This rotator is looking great. Rotating screens were all the rage 15 years ago, we barely see them now-a-days.


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« Reply #61 on: January 17, 2018, 02:48:25 pm »
This rotator is looking great. Rotating screens were all the rage 15 years ago, we barely see them now-a-days.

Thanks opt2not, it's a work in progress, but hopefully I can get some time to put the front end up on it and upload some videos of the whole thing working.  More to come...

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« Reply #62 on: January 20, 2018, 09:34:01 am »


Alright, managed to get it working.  For the fullscreen folks out there:


https://youtu.be/AvOFnsAyJ2s


And for the purists:


https://youtu.be/NeV7WxRsPak


Monitor rotates based on a script that looks through a list of games and turns automatically whenever a vertical game is launched. Screen returns to horizontal upon game exit.

Curious to know what people like better 4:3 or widescreen?

Anyway, huge thanks to DaOldMan, DNADan (as far as I know pioneered rotating monitors in Hyperspin), and Maximus aka griffindodd (I believe trail-blazed using a Servo to directly drive the screen).

If thereís interest I was considering doing a write up on the process.

Hereís also an animation on the cab:


https://youtu.be/fmVfDwmGUaI


And the screen curvature, scanlines, and phosphor glow are generated using the GLSL shader CRT-geom, I can post settings if anyone is interested.
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« Reply #63 on: January 21, 2018, 10:03:56 pm »
Great work! Makes me wanna dig out the my rotating parts and build another.
I like the idea of back lighting the monitor area, and look forward to see how it looks when you are finished.

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« Reply #64 on: February 02, 2018, 01:21:40 am »
Great work! Makes me wanna dig out the my rotating parts and build another.
I like the idea of back lighting the monitor area, and look forward to see how it looks when you are finished.

You daMan, daOldMan.  Godfather of rotation, we owe a lot to this guy. :notworthy:


Package came in the mail today:




Tron Deluxe Identity discs.  These are the discs that I will use to surround the speaker panels.  I am going to gut the internals and put in a modified LED system so that it will glow white all around.  The plan is to control the 12V LED's inside the discs from the same Ultimarc I-Pac Ultimate I/O board that I will use with the button LED's.  In order to get the 12V LED's to be controlled by the 5V I-Pac I am going to use a Bi-Polar Transistor to act as a switch:



It's kind of hard to see in the pic (sorry about that), but you can see the three wires running to the three legs of the little black rounded flat backed head.

Here it is with the lights turned on by applying the 5V to the Base of the Transistor:



The way that it works, as you may be able to tell form the picture, is to put the 12V LED in series to the "Collector" of the Transistor (represented as C in the picture below).  You put the positive side of you 5V source to the "Base"(represented as B in the picture below), and the 5V negative on the "Emitter" (represented as E in the picture below), then you connect the Emitter to Ground.  One very important step you may notice in the picture and the diagram is to place an appropriate resistor between your 5V power source and the Base.  The Base to Emitter current is intended to be very low.  In my case I am using a 2.4k ohm 1/4 watt resistor.  This particular transistor is able to handle up to 20V from the Collector to the Emitter (or the thing you are turning on), with a maximum current of 3A.  The Base to Emitter voltage (VEBO) is of course 5V as needed for the application.


 
Link for the Transistor:
https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Diodes-Incorporated/ZTX689B?qs=sGAEpiMZZMshyDBzk1%2fWizF0eVyYE44Zq%252bpCANXbH08%3d

I also got this earlier this week:



As I mentioned earlier in the thread I will be using this Ultimarc U360 to attach to the Tron stick that will be on the control panel.  The reason for doing this is that Happ Heavy Duty 8-way stick will get you the digital directions you need just fine, however for a game like Tron, or any other 4Way game, you have the difficult decision of choosing to limit the stick to 4 way games (via restrictor), or going with 8 way and getting the "stair stepper" problem in the light cycles in Tron.  Also, by using the U360 you can get analog going, and I thought it would be really cool to play something like Star Wars with this stick, it's the best alternative I could think of to a full fledge Atari Yolk (some day I hope).

Here's a picture of the two lined up so you get a sense of what I'm going for:



Hopefully I can work on the discs and stick this weekend.

 
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« Reply #65 on: February 02, 2018, 09:24:32 am »
Man I'm loving this build.  It really brings back memories.   :cheers:

I told my wife about your project and her first comment was "where is he going to find discs?"  I'm glad you found some.  Are those from Japan?

Your plan for the trigger stick will be fun to follow.  For my Tron stick I used a Happ Analog.  It works okay but I like the feel of the U360 better.  Have you worked out how you will attach the shells to the shaft of the U360?

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« Reply #66 on: February 02, 2018, 11:59:11 am »
Man I'm loving this build.  It really brings back memories.   :cheers:

I told my wife about your project and her first comment was "where is he going to find discs?"  I'm glad you found some.  Are those from Japan?

Your plan for the trigger stick will be fun to follow.  For my Tron stick I used a Happ Analog.  It works okay but I like the feel of the U360 better.  Have you worked out how you will attach the shells to the shaft of the U360?

Dude, the fact that your wife knows there's even discs on your cab, let alone that they are hard to find is incredible.  I need some of that pied piper action at my place, cause with my wife it's all eye rolls.

A quick e-bay search and I was able to pick those up.  I actually picked one up last year at a more expensive price, and then these showed up on e-bay from China.  A little nervous but it looked the same, and if you notice on the lower right hand corner of the picture on the back it says Shanghai Disney (no stone unturned for that company), so I figured it was legit, and thankfully it is, and at a much cheaper price.

As for the stick, hopefully I will be able to post pics this weekend, but essentially I will be attaching the U360 to the bottom of the existing Happ chassis. I like the feel of the Grommet and I am trying to get as close to the original Tron/Discs of Tron stick as possible.  Between the Grommet and the fact that the original sticks used leafs rather than micro switches I figured this would be a good solution.
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« Reply #67 on: February 07, 2018, 01:17:57 am »
Got some time this weekend to work on the flight stick.  The goal as stated above was to recreate as close as possible an original Tron/Discs of Tron/Gorf/Xenophobe (I am sure there are others) stick.  As the original sticks used leafs switches I knew I wanted to do away with the microswitches, but I also thought it would be cool to use the stick for more than 4 games.  The idea of using it for flight games (After burner, Star Wars, Hydra, Space Harrier, etc.) was very appealing as well as being able to play both Tron games without sacraficing it to one with a restrictor (4 way vs. 8way).

The U360 is perfect for this so just need to put them together:

Step 1: remove stick from chassis



You need to remove with a wrench the nut at the bottom or the stick after removing the e-ring and actuator (not pictured)



Step 2: loosen screws at the bottom and then use a wrench to unscrew the hex posts




Step 3: remove grommet and plate




Step 4: put the grommet plate over the U360 mounting plate



Step 5: take careful measurements (I remember 11.5/32" on each long side and 1/16 on each side short side) and tape down carefully



Step 6: remove U360 mounting plate (4 screws) and drill.




Step 7: reattach U360 base to mounting plate but remove the joystick shaft and drill holes using new ones as guides:




This was probably one of the most awkward parts, it needs a straight drill otherwise you can misalign the two.  I managed to clamp the U360 mounting plate below my drill press, but you could probably use a hand drill with a bubble level with a steady hand.

Step 8:  Assemble




and done:



Full credit for this goes to whynotpizza and genesis who pioneered this technique:

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=86734.0

Still need to modify the top restrictor as they have mentioned it can limit the throw in some angles.  I plan on cutting a piece of acrylic in a square slightly larger than the existing restrictor.  Ill post when I can get it done.



Also as some have inquired about the other mods to the stick:

The original Tron sticks used a blacklight tube near the controller to make the plastic glow.  I thought it would be cool to get a UV LED strip and place it inside.  This works but the only problem is it runs on 12V.  In the last post I mentioned how I will be using the Bi-polar transistor to control the on/off of the lights using the i-Pac Ultimate I/O.

To get the LED strip in I wanted to make sure it was evenly lit, so I went to Tapp plastics and got them to cut 1 3/4" (outside diameter) tubing and a small circular disc using mirrored Plexiglass to fit inside (when drilling the hole be aware that it's not center).



I then cut the appropriate length of LED strip and used the sticky backing to get the bottom LED's working.

The top LED's used the other side of the LED strip and followed the seam of where the two plastic pieces come together.



I had a very hard time figuring out the thumb button.  I was able to track down the button which is a Licon 01-700157, (you can also use a Cherry P163) which you can buy online, although they are becoming rare, however finding the circular disc housing was impossible.  I finally broke down and bought a used Xenophobe stick which has two thankfully.

The only problem you are left with is the LED in the switch runs on 2V.  To solve this problem I used two resistors as a voltage divider circuit:


resource: https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/tools/voltage-divider-calculator/
https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/direct-current/chpt-6/voltage-divider-circuits/

This brings the voltage down to the 2V from a 5V source by using 2 resistors, the first resistor is 43ohms, and the second is 23ohms.  This gives you 1.92V with a maximum allowed amperage of 116mA, which according to the Cherry markings is sufficient.



Still might add a leaf switch in place of the microswitch and of course will have a black plate around the thumb button with graphics.

For those interested here's some pics of the original Xenophobe stick relative to the new one:



And the final results:


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« Reply #68 on: February 11, 2018, 08:50:06 pm »
I found that stringing those LED's inside the Tron handle was a pain in the buns but yours looks great.   Nice work.   :cheers:

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« Reply #69 on: February 11, 2018, 11:54:14 pm »
I found that stringing those LED's inside the Tron handle was a pain in the buns but yours looks great.   Nice work.   :cheers:

Sure was :censored:  Glad I had a model to follow with your build  ;)

As for the discs, I managed to get one put together:

Original Disc



Backside



Internals



Cutting



Remove ring



Frontside with ring removed



And done



As wp34 mentioned before these are great fun to build, albeit expensive these days.  You have to find the Spin Master Deluxe Identity Discs that were made around 2010. e-Bay is your friend for sure.  You then need to buy the Soul Inertia Package to get it to look like the final product.
http://www.freewebs.com/inertiadesigns/disckits.htm

The lighting effects of the build will follow with the disc.  I managed to locate a power button and USB that will follow the theme, which will be carried through the control panel.



 Hopefully I can pull off a subtle lighting as I don't want this thing to end up looking like a Christmas Tree.

I think this is the point where I will need to lean on the community for help as I haven't figured out how to get that power button to power down the monitor, computer, and lighting all in one.  Gonna give it a go soon hopefully and then cry out for help when it all blows up. :blowup:
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« Reply #70 on: February 12, 2018, 04:37:46 pm »
Thanks for posting those pics.  I know I said this before but I can smell the burning plastic.   ;D 

 



The lighting effects of the build will follow with the disc.  I managed to locate a power button and USB that will follow the theme, which will be carried through the control panel.




Those look fantastic.   :cheers:

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« Reply #71 on: February 12, 2018, 06:08:40 pm »
Thanks for posting those pics.  I know I said this before but I can smell the burning plastic.   ;D 

Wife's banned me from cutting in the house cause of that smell :whap, I have to sneak it in when she's out, and then cover it up with air freshener and a pot of roses for distraction.  Sometimes I get caught and its  :bat

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« Reply #72 on: February 12, 2018, 06:56:13 pm »
Thanks for posting those pics.  I know I said this before but I can smell the burning plastic.   ;D 

Wife's banned me from cutting in the house cause of that smell :whap, I have to sneak it in when she's out, and then cover it up with air freshener and a pot of roses for distraction.  Sometimes I get caught and its  :bat

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 Hopefully I can pull off a subtle lighting as I don't want this thing to end up looking like a Christmas Tree.


With my cabinet I ended up mounting a surge protector near the coin door so I could easily reach it.  The "non-essential" lights are plugged into it.  I usually play with the lights turned off but if we have guests over or the kids have a party I turn the lights back on.

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Re: The Grid....(REDESIGN)
« Reply #73 on: February 19, 2018, 02:10:05 pm »
So I've had this thought running in my head for a while, that if this was the only build I ever got to do I wanted to try my hand at designing something on my own.  So I've put together the following and would be curious to hear feedback from folks in the community. 

HUGE thanks to Opt2not, Yatsuya, and wp34 for providing critique and ideas, and of course to Chance for the inspiration and confidence to get going in the first place.







And an example of the bottom in black.

 

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« Reply #74 on: February 19, 2018, 03:40:11 pm »
Is that glow effects on the corners.

I like that you modified into something you can call your own.

I like this shape much better, and i like the glow corners vs the black.
   

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« Reply #75 on: February 19, 2018, 03:47:50 pm »
Is that glow effects on the corners.

It wasnít originally but wp34 gave me that idea, and I thinking Iím going with it!

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« Reply #76 on: February 19, 2018, 05:23:33 pm »

I am trying to rotate a HP z30i monitor (30" 16:10 LED LCD), which weighs about 17lb, and while I could turn the monitor it never really worked right:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/C7SjthYmb2M


Like the way mum's telling the kids off whilst dad's playing with servos and computer bits. Kudos!  :cheers:

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« Reply #77 on: February 19, 2018, 10:01:40 pm »

I am trying to rotate a HP z30i monitor (30" 16:10 LED LCD), which weighs about 17lb, and while I could turn the monitor it never really worked right:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/C7SjthYmb2M


Like the way mum's telling the kids off whilst dad's playing with servos and computer bits. Kudos!  :cheers:

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Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
« Reply #78 on: February 19, 2018, 10:08:11 pm »
I like the upper glow, but I prefer the black bottom. The upper glow fits with the marquee, but it almost seems to break up the bottom.

Regardless, love the fact youíre making this your own.
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Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
« Reply #79 on: February 19, 2018, 10:31:38 pm »
I like the upper glow, but I prefer the black bottom. The upper glow fits with the marquee, but it almost seems to break up the bottom.

Regardless, love the fact youíre making this your own.

Cheers Yots, always appreciate the input.  I go back and forth on the bottom, seems to highlight the curve better, dunno.

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Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
« Reply #80 on: February 24, 2018, 12:13:18 pm »
Just finished a full writeup (tutorial) of the rotating monitor in case anyone wanted to see the details:

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,156671.0.html

Redid the back plate as I wanted to add a bearing to the shaft:
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« Reply #81 on: February 26, 2018, 09:10:43 am »
Big fan of all the fun stuff you are doing - thanks for the pics!
I didn't play the Tron game..  I have to figure out what the discs are all about  ;)
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« Reply #82 on: February 26, 2018, 12:01:18 pm »
Loving that new design.  Let's see some sawdust.   ;D

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« Reply #83 on: February 26, 2018, 12:11:51 pm »
omg!! that is so cool.

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« Reply #84 on: February 27, 2018, 11:01:12 am »
Big fan of all the fun stuff you are doing - thanks for the pics!
I didn't play the Tron game..  I have to figure out what the discs are all about  ;)

It's only the coolest game ever!  Discs of Tron was a pretty unique game it had a two way mirror for the display, and a TV below that displayed the video game.  The two way mirror allowed the background graphics (which was detailed artwork that a video game couldn't have produced at the time) to act as a backdrop for the "arena" where the characters moved around.  You have to see one in real life to really get it, but it was pretty awesome.




Loving that new design.  Let's see some sawdust.   ;D

I know right?  Definitely getting the itch to get going, but the idea you gave me requires a little more research, I've been in contact with a near by vendor to test this out.  Once I know if it will work then I can finalize the design (currently working on the control panel), and get started.

omg!! that is so cool.

Itís not as hard as it looks, just takes some time and patience.  Itís pretty cool in person when you get it going.

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« Reply #85 on: March 10, 2018, 08:51:47 pm »
This could prove interesting:


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« Reply #86 on: March 11, 2018, 12:51:40 pm »
This could prove interesting:



That looks cool.  For the glow in the corners?

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« Reply #87 on: March 11, 2018, 01:28:13 pm »
That looks cool.  For the glow in the corners?

Yup.

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« Reply #88 on: March 31, 2018, 08:39:07 am »
What little bit of experimenting and testing are you working on now?  Since ..you know... full scale construction hasn't started.   ::)
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« Reply #89 on: March 31, 2018, 01:19:34 pm »
What little bit of experimenting and testing are you working on now?  Since ..you know... full scale construction hasn't started.   ::)

Hehe, great choice of words. 

I'm trying to prove out a number of things I've got in my head, hadn't had anything too interesting to post yet, but here's a preview:





Marquee in action:

https://youtu.be/zfl0rXXT_Ho

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« Reply #90 on: March 31, 2018, 01:46:32 pm »

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« Reply #91 on: April 01, 2018, 06:15:22 pm »
Okay I like that!

Cut from the same cloth wp34.


So I decided it was time to get my hands dirty.  I did a quick SketchUp of a simple control panel box so that I could practice wood working, laminating, drilling, and the plans I have for a lit control panel.  I have virtually zero woodworking experience so I thought it would be helpful to post what I've learned in the same thread as I would have liked it when I was doing my research.

Sketchup:


First thing was build the box, simple right? Yeah no, not at all, this -steaming pile of meadow muffin- is hard.

First attempt:


Note the splintering near the bottom.  This can be minimized by making sure your saw blade is only just high enough to clear the top of your wood surface.  When you have the table saw teeth too high you get a lot more of this.  Also cutting across the grain like in the front panel on the picture is more likely to have this effect then cutting with the grain.

Side shot:



I wanted to practice beveling corners.  So I picked up a 1/2Ē round over bit to practice.  (Side note, donít do what Iíd did and buy a 1/4Ē collett router, buy the 1/2Ē, gives you more flexibility to  use 1/4Ē and 1/2Ē bits).  Made the mistake of cutting the sides before doing the rounding, this made it next to impossible to cut the round over due to the short length.



So, I had to redo the front and back plates by first rounding over the sides:



Once that was done it was a lot easier to cut the front and back parts to size:



I wanted to practice getting an angle on the box as thatís my plan for my control panel.  The  front and back pieces are easier as you just set the table saw to angle (8 degrees in my case).  The sides are a bit harder as you need to use a miter (mine came with one as do most I think):



You feed you piece at an angle and keep the table saw straight.


When cutting angles you have to know what the highest and lowest point of the cut will be.  SketchUp really helped for me on this, however just using the closest connecting piece to the angle will also work.

Hereís where Iím at:





Thatís two days of work and Iím obviously far from finished.  If Iíd have seen this post before trying this out Iíd have thought, ok, itís a box, no big deal.  As many in here have said, itís a lot harder than it looks, but also incredibly satisfying when it fits together.

Wonít be able to tackle more for a couple of weeks. But looking forward to continuing, as bringing this off the computer is very exciting
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Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
« Reply #92 on: April 01, 2018, 07:25:58 pm »
Looks good. Iíd use pocket holes and glue to eliminate that bracing. Looks thick and heavy.
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« Reply #93 on: April 01, 2018, 11:19:12 pm »
Good call doing some R&D first.  I did the same with my first build.  Plus woodwork is the best part of a build.    :cheers:

I agree with Yots about pocket holes.  Once you go Kreg you never go back. 

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« Reply #94 on: April 01, 2018, 11:40:54 pm »
Definitely gonna keep my eye on this project. it's looking AMAZING even in the early stages  :notworthy:

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« Reply #95 on: April 02, 2018, 08:27:12 am »
Kreg jig and pocket holes will work great for this type of joinery.  They have a large assortment of jibs..  I use the Mini 99% of the time..  it costs $14

If your plywood is splintering on the table saw - you should get a zero clearance insert.  It comes blank and you raise the blade through it.  That way as the blade cuts downward, the insert supports the cross grain and prevents tear out.

It appears you used the router table with the fence closed? and put the wood in between the fence and the bit?  (hopefully not)
Do not use the router table that way - open the fence and adjust so that the bearing is flush with the front of the fence.  The you can put the piece through right to left.  The bit should be half hidden inside..  Much safer, less likely to throw the part..  and you can now use a block to support the piece vertically and slide it along the fence with the work piece.  The bit will not be in the way..  Hope this make sense.

Once you get to the real control panel... get cabinet grade plywood if you can..  It is far superior to the stuff you are using..  super flat and stiff..
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Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
« Reply #96 on: April 02, 2018, 02:00:33 pm »
Looks good. Iíd use pocket holes and glue to eliminate that bracing. Looks thick and heavy.

Iíd been handed one of those by my coworker and the thought hadnít even occurred to me.  Iíll definitely go that route based on everyoneís recommendations for this box. 

I was using these 3/4Ē battens as practice as I was planning on using them in the body of the cab.  Is that still overkill in that application?

I agree with Yots about pocket holes.  Once you go Kreg you never go back.

Sounds like a unanimous chorus.  Iíll do that.

Definitely gonna keep my eye on this project. it's looking AMAZING even in the early stages  :notworthy:

Thanks but as Iíve mentioned to some others Iíll bank any praise once I can get this thing actually built.  Good luck on your  DK project.

Kreg jig and pocket holes will work great for this type of joinery.  They have a large assortment of jibs..  I use the Mini 99% of the time..  it costs $14

If your plywood is splintering on the table saw - you should get a zero clearance insert.  It comes blank and you raise the blade through it.  That way as the blade cuts downward, the insert supports the cross grain and prevents tear out.

Good to know, thanks!
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It appears you used the router table with the fence closed? and put the wood in between the fence and the bit?  (hopefully not)

Uhhhh...nooo?    Yes, thatís exactly what I did😋.
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Do not use the router table that way - open the fence and adjust so that the bearing is flush with the front of the fence.  The you can put the piece through right to left.  The bit should be half hidden inside..  Much safer, less likely to throw the part..  and you can now use a block to support the piece vertically and slide it along the fence with the work piece.  The bit will not be in the way..  Hope this make sense.
Took a minute after reading this but now I understand what you mean.  Thought hadnít occurred to me that you could split the fence like that, and yes I had to hold tight on the part to make sure it didnít leap from my hands (probably should have figured that was a sign of a problem🧐).  Lesson number two:  If it takes a lot of force to do, Iím probably doing it wrong.

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Once you get to the real control panel... get cabinet grade plywood if you can..  It is far superior to the stuff you are using..  super flat and stiff..
Keep up the testing!!  Good post.

Thanks again, yes this was a quick dry run, I was eyeing what appeared to be better stuff at the Depot.

Landed in Japan late last night, itís 3am here and jet lag sucks.  Iím already scheming the bribes it will take to make it down to Kyoto and visit Nintendo.  Definitely post some picks if I can make it happen.

Also couldnít pass this up....they have real life Mario cart on the streets of Tokyo, no joke:


YOUTUBE video:
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« Reply #97 on: April 25, 2018, 10:19:55 am »
Project is looking good!
Get them taxes done? LOL

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« Reply #98 on: April 25, 2018, 01:02:19 pm »
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« Reply #99 on: April 26, 2018, 12:07:32 am »
Project is looking good!
Get them taxes done? LOL

Heh, good one.  I wasn't able to get much done last weekend (so much time spent learning how to use equipment properly), practiced some pocket holes:


and gluing and screwing.  Also cut the plastic pieces to fit the top:



Next is figuring out postforming laminate around a 1/2" curve.  I've been having a helluva time trying to buy the right contact cement.  Apparently California has implemented some tuff VOC standards, and you can't buy traditional contact cement.  From what I can tell they won't even ship it into the state.  I got a hold of the folks at Formica and they directed me to the people that make their cement a company called Choice Brands (nice and generic).  The guy in the lab "Jerry" was awesome and explained more to me about contact cement than I'd ever hope to know.  He pointed me to Formica F-270 which I can get up here in Northern CA, so going to order that stuff.

Still have a lot of research going on, and I'm stubborn about asking for help. ;D
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« Reply #100 on: April 26, 2018, 12:08:19 am »
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« Reply #101 on: April 26, 2018, 11:49:43 am »
That VOC thing seems to have been issue, with paint, and ink  too, (and the recycled water thing in the sceenprint industry, gets so stinky it drives customers away) apparently not all counties are the same however and you may possibly get it elsewhere relatively close.

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« Reply #102 on: May 21, 2018, 01:16:31 am »
Finally got some time to get something done.

For the newbs like myself I thought it might be helpful to continue documenting what I've learned, so.......

Pocket joints as mentioned above, they are made with the Kreg Jig:



Holes look like this:



Drill slowly on both the pocket hole, AND when you drill the pilot hole for the screw or else you can get some of the head of the screw sticking out:



You can use a Dremel to take it down so not the end of the world.  They also sell pocket hole fillers, but for me I will just be using wood filler to smooth it out until I can get the laminate over it.

Next I figured I would just use European hinges to have the lid open as it was what I was planning on doing with the main control panel......so yeah I'm really glad I'm practicing.  You can use these hinges if you don't have an overhang on your lid.  It will work if the lid is either flush or inset from the edge of the box, so big fail:



In doing research I came across these:





They are Soss hinges and they are pretty fantastic.  I really wanted a hinges that was invisible from the outside, and I like these even better than the European Hinge.  They wouldn't normally be that difficult to install, however because my box is on a slope it made it challenging.
Thankfully they come with a handy template:



Guy at the local Rockler store gave me the "Pro Tip" of first drilling a small pilot hole and put in some brad nails, then use a Dremel to cut the tops off:



This is so you can make an imprint on the lid and have a perfect alignment.  Sounded pretty good but I almost got caught losing the brad nail in the wood from pressing the lid on.  Barely fished them out with the needle nose.

ANWAY, I marked off the positions of the shallow and deeper holes you need to cut for this to fit:




Because the lid was on a slope I couldn't use the fence on the router table, but I did realize that if I put the whole box together it would form a smooth surface to slide back and forth.  I ligned up the marks with the center of a 3/8" straight router bit (this a requirement for the proper holes).  I used wood blocks to prevent over cutting left and right and a block in the back for depth.  I did have a helluva time figuring out the depth to the fence because as I mentioned the slope created a gap between the fence and where I needed to route.  That meant I had to offset the distance:



You have to make two passes, one for the shallow depth and one for the deeper part of the mount in the center:



I was doing shallow first then deeper, however in retrospect I would reverse that, because you can overshoot your depth on the deep hole, but you need to be accurate on the shallow hole depth so it lines up correctly. 

Cue the better outcome of the two:




You can see how far this swings out, in fact if you don't have too much of an overhang you could get 180 degrees.





I'm definitely digging these a lot.
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« Reply #103 on: May 21, 2018, 09:07:40 am »
That's a pretty cool looking hinge.  Nice routing work too.   :cheers: 

Welcome to the pocket hole club.  No more gluing.   ;D

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« Reply #104 on: May 21, 2018, 10:52:18 pm »
That's a pretty cool looking hinge.  Nice routing work too.   :cheers: 

Welcome to the pocket hole club.  No more gluing.   ;D

Still needs some work, and I think Iíve got a better way to route that inset (itís a little to close to the edge).  Those things are shockingly strong, definitely the wood would fail before the hinge.

Pocket holes are smurfin awesome, simple, quick and consistent.  That was good advice from the three of you.

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« Reply #105 on: June 07, 2018, 08:37:27 am »
Is this project still alive?

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« Reply #106 on: June 07, 2018, 07:05:34 pm »
 
Is this project still alive?

Awww Mike didnít know you cared, being an LCD, LED build an all. ;)
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« Reply #107 on: June 08, 2018, 07:32:18 am »
Once someone makes their mind up about that (CRT) I am trying to back off. I want to see people finish their builds, as long as it isn't one like that wall hanging turd machine that was posted recently.


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« Reply #108 on: June 08, 2018, 08:30:23 am »
Once someone makes their mind up about that (CRT) I am trying to back off. I want to see people finish their builds, as long as it isn't one like that wall hanging turd machine that was posted recently.

Heh, just kidding with ya.  I like your passion for the CRT, if I can get to build number two thatís actually the plan.  To answer your question, no builds definitely not dead, and I will finish no matter what.  Iím stuck in apartment land and every time I want to build I have to pack up 3 bags worth of stuff and drive 10 miles to a buddies place where my equipment is to get anything done.  Made some progress the other week but also some mistakes and was going to post after I got more done.  Itís actually been good because itís forced me to finalize the design in SketchUp and figure out the details of building.  For now hereís a sneak peek:



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« Reply #109 on: June 08, 2018, 08:33:05 am »
Glad to hear the project is not dead.

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« Reply #110 on: June 08, 2018, 08:36:59 am »
Nice Sketchup work  :)
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Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
« Reply #111 on: June 08, 2018, 09:11:19 am »
Nice Sketchup work  :)

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« Reply #112 on: June 08, 2018, 09:18:15 am »
I don't really use the materials like you did - except for the glass - that one is pretty cool.
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Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
« Reply #113 on: June 08, 2018, 09:33:33 am »
I don't really use the materials like you did - except for the glass - that one is pretty cool.

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Wouldnít have the confidence to start if I didnít model everything out.  Iím impressed by the people that just build the sides and front and figure out the rest on the fly.  That takes some cojones.

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« Reply #114 on: June 08, 2018, 09:36:53 am »
oh - I put in every detail - I just didn't break out the crayon's and color it in..  mine is pretty much black&white..  :P
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Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
« Reply #115 on: June 08, 2018, 09:48:15 am »
oh - I put in every detail - I just didn't break out the crayon's and color it in..  mine is pretty much black&white..  :P

No doubt, Iíve seen others that are just able to build, (Iím looking at you Maximus), and I donít know how they do it.

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Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
« Reply #116 on: June 08, 2018, 09:52:56 am »
Wouldnít have the confidence to start if I didnít model everything out.  Iím impressed by the people that just build the sides and front and figure out the rest on the fly.  That takes some cojones.

Wait, I'm supposed to have a plan???   ;D

Your cab looks like it will be really cool.  I love the rotating monitor - always wanted to try but not sure I have the skills.

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Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
« Reply #117 on: June 08, 2018, 10:06:42 am »
Wait, I'm supposed to have a plan???   ;D

Yeah you too javeryh, stop making it look so easy, at least post some sweat pics.

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Your cab looks like it will be really cool.  I love the rotating monitor - always wanted to try but not sure I have the skills.

Posted a tutorial:
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,156671.0.html

Sweet theater room by the way, thatís also in the works if we can ever buy a house in this damn insane real estate market here:


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« Reply #118 on: June 08, 2018, 11:06:34 am »
Thanks man - the theater took a part of my soul.  Where are you located?  Real estate is absolutely nuts around me too.  Believe it or not, my theater is in the basement of a very tiny house so I'm proof that you don't need much room.  Part of the fun is seeing people's reaction because from the outside it looks impossible for something like that to exist.  My entire lot is only 50' x 120' (0.14 acres) and the footprint of the house when we bought back in 2004 was 22'x25'.  I know people with living rooms bigger than that!  We have since expanded by adding about 12' to the back of the house which made all the difference in the world but even still it is barely big enough for the whole family.  That said, I'm pretty sure I could get close to $1M if I tried to sell it based on my proximity to NYC (and a train station), which is just insane for the little amount of house you'd get.  I'm never selling though so it doesn't matter. 

By the way, that is a sick tutorial - makes me think I could actually pull it off!  :cheers:

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« Reply #119 on: June 08, 2018, 11:40:09 am »
Thanks man - the theater took a part of my soul.  Where are you located? 

Too close to the crazies in San Francisco/Silicon Valley.  People are dropping their souls and every stock option they have to buy a house, itís insane.  Iíve seen almost $2,000/ft in some areas.

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Believe it or not, my theater is in the basement of a very tiny house so I'm proof that you don't need much room.  Part of the fun is seeing people's reaction because from the outside it looks impossible for something like that to exist.  My entire lot is only 50' x 120' (0.14 acres) and the footprint of the house when we bought back in 2004 was 22'x25'.  I know people with living rooms bigger than that! 

Wow....just wow.

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« Reply #120 on: June 08, 2018, 01:20:52 pm »
Too close to the crazies in San Francisco/Silicon Valley.  People are dropping their souls and every stock option they have to buy a house, itís insane.  Iíve seen almost $2,000/ft in some areas.
This is one of the reasons I left SF aside from the brutal commute, and the cut-throaty ladder-climbing people. The cost of living is just out-of-control, and I was working at Apple at the time, so the money I was making was really good. But unfortunately the price to live there negated any chance of saving for a home.

Now I live in Southern Cali, took a 40% paycut and now am actually able to save money each month.  :lol  The Bay Area sucks!

Glad to see some updates, Arroyo!

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« Reply #121 on: June 08, 2018, 01:25:42 pm »
Now I live in Southern Cali, took a 40% paycut and now am actually able to save money each month.  :lol  The Bay Area sucks!

Glad to see some updates, Arroyo!

No Robotron lessons then?  Shouldíve called you sooner, thatís a bummer.

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« Reply #122 on: June 08, 2018, 01:49:06 pm »
Now I live in Southern Cali, took a 40% paycut and now am actually able to save money each month.  :lol  The Bay Area sucks!

Glad to see some updates, Arroyo!

No Robotron lessons then?  Shouldíve called you sooner, thatís a bummer.
Yeah, sorry bro :(
We had to get out of there. I was miserable at work, my commute was 3 hours a day, and with no prospect of being able to get ahead financially it just didn't make sense to stay in that area.  Plus SF is not very family friendly, it's more of a city for yuppies or DINK (Dual income no kids) couples.  Quality of life is definitely better for us down here.

If you're ever down in Orange County, I'd be happy to give you some Robotron lessons :)

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« Reply #123 on: June 08, 2018, 02:08:24 pm »
If you're ever down in Orange County, I'd be happy to give you some Robotron lessons :)

Iíll make it happen, be on the lookout.  If not before, then maybe at Zapcon 2019

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« Reply #124 on: June 08, 2018, 03:33:40 pm »
Now I live in Southern Cali, took a 40% paycut and now am actually able to save money each month.  :lol  The Bay Area sucks!

Glad to see some updates, Arroyo!

No Robotron lessons then?  Shouldíve called you sooner, thatís a bummer.
Yeah, sorry bro :(
We had to get out of there. I was miserable at work, my commute was 3 hours a day, and with no prospect of being able to get ahead financially it just didn't make sense to stay in that area.  Plus SF is not very family friendly, it's more of a city for yuppies or DINK (Dual income no kids) couples.  Quality of life is definitely better for us down here.

If you're ever down in Orange County, I'd be happy to give you some Robotron lessons :)

Sounds like the bay area is a lot like NYC.  I took a 40% cut a few years ago to get out of the long commute and hyper competitive environment I was in and have never been happier.

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« Reply #125 on: June 08, 2018, 04:44:08 pm »
Now I live in Southern Cali, took a 40% paycut and now am actually able to save money each month.  :lol  The Bay Area sucks!

Glad to see some updates, Arroyo!

No Robotron lessons then?  Shouldíve called you sooner, thatís a bummer.
Yeah, sorry bro :(
We had to get out of there. I was miserable at work, my commute was 3 hours a day, and with no prospect of being able to get ahead financially it just didn't make sense to stay in that area.  Plus SF is not very family friendly, it's more of a city for yuppies or DINK (Dual income no kids) couples.  Quality of life is definitely better for us down here.

If you're ever down in Orange County, I'd be happy to give you some Robotron lessons :)

Sounds like the bay area is a lot like NYC.  I took a 40% cut a few years ago to get out of the long commute and hyper competitive environment I was in and have never been happier.
Yeah, it's actually not that different from what I heard. Our neighbours in SF were from NYC, and they love living in the Bay Area. But they're a rich Jewish couple, Capital Investment type folks, so for them it's no burden to live there.

Glad to see another person choosing Quality of Life over commutes and high paying salaries. Life's too short to waste time on commuting back and forth between home and a high-stress job.  Now I use that 3 hours I gained back (since I live 5 mins away from my work now) to work on projects, art, and spend time with family.   Next will be -- buy a house, eventually, get some workshop space, then finish my Alpha One project.

Sorry to derail your thread, Arroyo.

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« Reply #126 on: June 08, 2018, 04:55:33 pm »
Sorry to derail your thread, Arroyo.

I brought it up, and itís a huge topic of interest at my house.  Glad to see others are figuring out that quality of life trumps all, just wish we could have kept you in the Bay.  You are the only one I knew in the area on these boards.

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« Reply #127 on: June 08, 2018, 06:18:07 pm »
Too close to the crazies in San Francisco/Silicon Valley.  People are dropping their souls and every stock option they have to buy a house, itís insane.  Iíve seen almost $2,000/ft in some areas.
This is one of the reasons I left SF aside from the brutal commute, and the cut-throaty ladder-climbing people. The cost of living is just out-of-control, and I was working at Apple at the time, so the money I was making was really good. But unfortunately the price to live there negated any chance of saving for a home.

Now I live in Southern Cali, took a 40% paycut and now am actually able to save money each month.  [emoji38]  The Bay Area sucks!

Glad to see some updates, Arroyo!
Home prices are one of the reasons I turned down a lucrative offer to move to SF.  I live just outside of Raleigh,NC; bought 1.5 acres and built a 2,300sq ft home for  $200,000 a few years back.

Glad this build is still active.  I'm really looking forward to how it turns out.

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« Reply #128 on: July 04, 2018, 10:45:05 pm »
In contract to purchase a home, this project should get back on track in August.  Looking forward to having my own shop.

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« Reply #129 on: July 06, 2018, 05:08:55 pm »
I'm in the valley and we are getting a ton of Bay Area transplants.  It's starting to make our home prices rise as well.

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« Reply #130 on: July 06, 2018, 07:17:28 pm »
I'm in the valley and we are getting a ton of Bay Area transplants.  It's starting to make our home prices rise as well.

Central or San Fernando?

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« Reply #131 on: July 07, 2018, 11:51:48 pm »
North Valley, near Sacramento.  A lot of money coming in from the bay.

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« Reply #132 on: July 08, 2018, 12:19:07 am »
North Valley, near Sacramento.  A lot of money coming in from the bay.

Get out, Iím a Davis kid.  Good to know thereís another Northern CA poster on these boards.  Love the tokenization on your build by the way.

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« Reply #133 on: July 08, 2018, 01:38:29 pm »
Thanks!  Davis?  I went to undergrad there!  Lived there about 5 years.  Not much to do, but I had some fun times.  The valley kind of sucks, but it's a good launch pad to go everywhere else.  Cheap cost of living and then we go somewhere else every weekend.   :laugh:

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« Reply #134 on: July 08, 2018, 07:00:12 pm »
Thanks!  Davis?  I went to undergrad there!  Lived there about 5 years.  Not much to do, but I had some fun times.  The valley kind of sucks, but it's a good launch pad to go everywhere else.  Cheap cost of living and then we go somewhere else every weekend.   :laugh:

I think about that every time we try to schlep the kids to Tahoe.   :angry:

Valley is awesome, good quality of life, if there were more jobs Iíd probably have gone back.

If you ever haul that machine to a local place let me know Iíd love to check it out.

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« Reply #135 on: July 10, 2018, 11:55:11 am »
I went back through the first pages of your project.  Kudos, you've got some ambitious electronics in this one!  I'm glad someone is keeping the rotating monitor alive.  I wanted to try one but simply did not have the room for it.  Your servo bracket looks really sharp.  That's a nice looking servo there; I like the Pololu servo controllers too, great company with great customer support.  Can't wait to see it in action.

For the discs, if they're single color, you might just hard wire or to a simple switch since LEDBlinky would only be blinking them off and on.  Save a little complexity?  :dunno

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« Reply #136 on: July 10, 2018, 04:49:09 pm »
For the discs, if they're single color, you might just hard wire or to a simple switch since LEDBlinky would only be blinking them off and on.  Save a little complexity?  :dunno

Yup, good catch.  I did the part about the transistor without realizing that the iPac Ultimate can handle a 12V supply (duh!).  So now the plan is to use that for both the discs and the Tron stick UV lighting to ride the 12V rail as the LED strips I could find for UV lighting and for the correct color of white weíre all 12V.  This of course assumes the draw on the strips wonít exceed the 1amp makes on the I/O board.....

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« Reply #137 on: July 11, 2018, 01:55:01 am »
Are you talking about those two auxiliary-like ports it has?

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« Reply #138 on: July 11, 2018, 08:21:14 am »
Are you talking about those two auxiliary-like ports it has?

The upper right hand corner:

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« Reply #139 on: July 11, 2018, 04:45:24 pm »
OK, yeah, that's what I thought you were referring to.  My recollection could be off, but that port might be a little bit "experimental".  If you haven't already, look into it.  I'll try to find if I had older posts about it (vs email exchanges).  I know I had a weird issue of color blending on some of the other regular ports and it was solved by disabling the high current output...

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« Reply #140 on: July 11, 2018, 06:04:08 pm »
OK, yeah, that's what I thought you were referring to.  My recollection could be off, but that port might be a little bit "experimental".  If you haven't already, look into it.  I'll try to find if I had older posts about it (vs email exchanges).  I know I had a weird issue of color blending on some of the other regular ports and it was solved by disabling the high current output...


Ah good to know.  Iíll have to dig into that a little deeper when the time comes.  Thanks for the heads up.

  
 

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