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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #40 on: December 25, 2017, 11:21:45 pm »
The vacuum of Space\people being in Space none of that exists in Star Wars. By ignoring anything that could be considered to scifi and only focusing on the fantasy is how Star Wars works.

Think about it, all ships have gravity, if anything needs repairing it will be in the basement of the ship never outside; ships can fly in and out of bays with some air only force field. For how many times they have shown a half build death star from far away not even once did get close and maybe show some Wall-E like space droids building it, apparently even that would bring up to many other questions.

Why did he decide to make the dangers of space a thing in this movie, no idea… didn't they almost get eaten by a giant worm on an asteroid in the first movie?

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #41 on: December 26, 2017, 02:09:15 pm »
Prefacing my opinion with the statement that I think Star Wars movies were permanently ruined by Lucas' ego.  He is a terrible writer, and he proved it in Ep 1-3.  On top of that, he threw out some really good writing that he had already sold to the fans as authorized stories.  All so that he could be the one to write the screenplay.  I hate the man for it, and frankly, you can't even recover from what he did even with a time travel reboot.

So, that being said, I go into each Star Wars movie with the goal of being entertained.  There is no way it can be "great" again, so I just want to be entertained.

In this movie, I started out disappointed.  Then I was further disappointed.  And it got worse....

Then suddenly it started getting good again.  The action and effects were entertaining, and despite the simplistic and underwhelming plot, I still found myself on the edge of my seat.  And there were actually some scenes that surprised me.  In the end I walked away from the theater in a good mood, happy to have seen it and in no way upset at the money I had spent.  Even my girlfriend who is not a Star Wars fan at all enjoyed it.

Now for a couple comments with spoilers:
I liked that Luke finally "stepped up" in the end, and I can see him being so devastated by his failure that he shut himself off from the force completely and stopped caring about the rest of the universe.  He accepted that his "saving the galaxy" was really just a fluke that only resulted in more people dying in the end.  When you think about it, his actions, and the actions of his sister, resulted in so many more lost lives than if they had just let the Empire reign.  And even after winning back the galaxy and restoring the Republic, look how quickly the galaxy let another "emperor" take over.  Granted, he blew up a few hundred billion people, but the weapon he used to do that was destroyed and yet all the other planets kept supporting him.  So while it was great that Luke and Leia defeated the emperor against all odds, in the end it only meant a lot of lives lost.  Add to that the fact that their own father was pretty much responsible for the Empire coming to power to begin with and you can say that the Skywalkers pretty much totally ---fouled up beyond all recognition--- the whole galaxy up and killed hundreds of billions of people.  You can't tell me that a legacy like that wouldn't make you want to become a milk drinking recluse...

The funny thing about that whole scene with Luke and Kylo is that I figured it was plausible that he could survive the maelstrom of laser cannon fire without a scratch and didn't even blink at the absurdity of it.  I completely missed that he was not leaving red footprints, and I didn't even consider why he suddenly looked 10 years younger.  It was when he popped the blue lightsaber that Kylo and Rey had just destroyed that I realized something was up, but I wasn't thinking about it really hard because the whole scene was so enjoyable.  I think it was all because I expected this fight scene.  And although a real fight between them would have been the height of shallow story telling, I still wanted it to happen.  So badly that although I was on my guard about the blue lightsaber, I still didn't expect that he wasn't even on the planet until it became completely obvious.  With so many obvious hints, it takes an engrossing scene and a bit of emotion to still not notice it.  I like movies that can do that to me - not just a suspension of disbelief, but making it so enjoyable to watch that I stop thinking about what they are doing wrong.

Speaking of wrong, there were so many scenes that screamed "wrong" to me that when Luke popped the blue lightsaber, I actually thought they were so stupid at Disney that they completely forgot they just destroyed that light saber and that Luke's was green, not blue.


So despite all the really REALLY bad writing, the terrible pace of the first 60% of the movie, the horribly awkward scenes, the worst failure of suspension of disbelief since 6 shot revolvers could fire 50 times without reloading, and some cases of feeling like the entire Star Wars universe was being openly mocked and disrespected, it got damn good in the latter half and I walked away enjoying it.


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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #42 on: December 26, 2017, 04:57:59 pm »
I think we're past needing to block out spoilers.

During the whole Luke/Kylo scene I was cussing under my breath that it better not really be him or else Just for Men must be available on that damn island.

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #43 on: December 26, 2017, 05:28:02 pm »
During the whole Luke/Kylo scene I was cussing under my breath that it better not really be him or else Just for Men must be available on that damn island.

 :cheers:

Has the director ever said why he made Luke's image look younger in that scene?  It took me completely out of the movie and made me start looking for clues that he wasn't really there.

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« Reply #44 on: December 26, 2017, 08:50:40 pm »
I thought it made sense for him to appear as Kylo remembered him; the man he hated instead of a pathetic old man who Kylo might take a minute to ponder.

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #45 on: December 26, 2017, 10:30:36 pm »
so I'm the only one who was irritated the First order had the last of the resistance pinned, literally down to a few escape pods and they never called in more ships? This is compounded by the fact the last part of the "chase" supposedly took place over like 18 hours so there was ample time for more ships to show up.

I didn't hate this movie, but I liked Rogue One and Force Awakens much more.

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #46 on: December 27, 2017, 02:55:42 pm »
I honestly think that the internet is ruining movies.

I can't imagine that many here would feel so great about the plot of the original trilogy if the movies came out today. Let's just take the most beloved, Empire. Empire makes zero sense why Vader's brilliant play is to create a convoluted plan to assume Luke would become a powerful enough Jedi to sense his friends in danger, and use that assumption to lure Luke across the galaxy to get him to walk over a trap door. A trap door that a jedi of any decency can hop out of.

The Millenium Falcon, the ship Vader is so desperate to obtain, is left intentionally unguarded, so to let the leader of the rebellion, Leia, can run away in it. Don't worry, good ol' Darth has has a brilliant plan too. He turned off the warp drive, it's cool. It only needed to be switched back on, but those Rebels will never figure that one out. Leia is a top leader of the rebellion so letting her almost escape seems like the smartest route to go. And hey, you tested that carbonite machine once, why even bother using it to imprison Leia, that will take an extra 5 minutes.

And speaking of carbonite, what does Vader do with Han? He gives him away to some outskirts bounty hunter and leaves him unchecked, Vader, the guy who chokes people to death because they irritate him, has no grudge against the dude who knocked him out of the sky and let Luke fly in to destroy the death star? Naw, just let him go. And heck, after Luke, Chewie and Leia escape Vader's clutches, there is no worry they will go back and rescue him, right? I mean, the rebellion threatens the galactic empire, but pulling him out of a remote desert palace seems like just too risky of an effort.  ::)



I get that The Last Jedi didn't exhibit full character continuity or show smart and savvy space battle tactics. That irritated me as well, but at some point you gotta admit that these movies are being held to a pretty unfair standard. I let my guard down on these movies intentionally and this movie is entertaining and gave me a good feeling that I am not gonna curmudgeonly destroy for myself. There is a lot of Star Wars magic and lore to be had from this movie, and I was genuinely positively surprised at many of the turns the movie took.

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #47 on: December 27, 2017, 03:01:36 pm »
so I'm the only one who was irritated the First order had the last of the resistance pinned, literally down to a few escape pods and they never called in more ships? This is compounded by the fact the last part of the "chase" supposedly took place over like 18 hours so there was ample time for more ships to show up.

I agree, although from my above post it obviously didn't ruin the movie for me. The ships were going in a straight line, so a ship in the fleet could have also have warped about an hour ahead of the fleet and let the rebels fly straight into them. I also was surprised the first order fleet was so slow, given that a fast ship like the millenium falcon needed an asteroid field to escape the empires star destroyer's when warp wasn't an option. If there was one thing that stuck out as a poor spot of the film, this weird, extremely long chase is it.

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« Reply #48 on: December 27, 2017, 05:23:52 pm »
If there was one thing that stuck out as a poor spot of the film, this weird, extremely long chase is it.

...That and flying space Leia...took me right out of the movie.

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« Reply #49 on: December 27, 2017, 07:23:51 pm »
Perfect point about ESB and the pursuit of the millennium falcon.  There is zero excuse for a plot point as bad as this to be in a modern star wars movie.  I understand your point about internet fan boys Vigo, but i just can't get excited of Disney's trilogy.  I have hope for the Solo and Kenobi films I think stand alone films within the restrictions of the established universe work better for producing a film that I can enjoy.  Even with it's problems Rogue one has been the only Disney offering I've enjoyed.

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #50 on: December 28, 2017, 11:07:58 am »
so I'm the only one who was irritated the First order had the last of the resistance pinned, literally down to a few escape pods and they never called in more ships? This is compounded by the fact the last part of the "chase" supposedly took place over like 18 hours so there was ample time for more ships to show up.

I didn't hate this movie, but I liked Rogue One and Force Awakens much more.

I guess (after a bit of digging) that was NOT the last of the Resistance. I guess they were spread out, because there where quite a bit of fighter pilots from TFA that never showed up in TLJ. Add the fact that the First Order isn't as big as I thought they were.... I mean it makes sense, they are not the empire, they are only a fraction of the size.

But I will say this.... That Star Destroyer thing that was chasing the capital ship of the rebels did have Ion Canons. Same Ion cannons that they used on Hoth to disable the Star Destroyer so the rebel transports can get away... The same Ion cannons that the Y-wings used in Rogue One to disable a Star Destroyer so that the battering ram ship could make the two Star Destroyers crash into each other.

So why not shoot this rebel cruiser with the Ion cannon and be done with it? Sounds way more easy and efficient than chasing this ship.
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #51 on: December 28, 2017, 11:08:55 am »
Perfect point about ESB and the pursuit of the millennium falcon.  There is zero excuse for a plot point as bad as this to be in a modern star wars movie.  I understand your point about internet fan boys Vigo, but i just can't get excited of Disney's trilogy.  I have hope for the Solo and Kenobi films I think stand alone films within the restrictions of the established universe work better for producing a film that I can enjoy.  Even with it's problems Rogue one has been the only Disney offering I've enjoyed.

Bro, I know you have a picky taste, so I ain't faulting you. Just surprised that by reading this thread, the general vibe is that this movie is garbage. You would think that this is an episode 1 grade bomb. Script issues and out of place scenes is an entirely different issue from poor acting and terrible plot.


If there was one thing that stuck out as a poor spot of the film, this weird, extremely long chase is it.

...That and flying space Leia...took me right out of the movie.

Haha, yeah. You know they were just trolling us on Leia's death that whole movie. That scene would have been edited to 3 seconds if not for the death of Carrie Fisher.

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #52 on: December 28, 2017, 11:09:44 am »
I honestly think that the internet is ruining movies.

I can't imagine that many here would feel so great about the plot of the original trilogy if the movies came out today. Let's just take the most beloved, Empire. Empire makes zero sense why Vader's brilliant play is to create a convoluted plan to assume Luke would become a powerful enough Jedi to sense his friends in danger, and use that assumption to lure Luke across the galaxy to get him to walk over a trap door. A trap door that a jedi of any decency can hop out of.

The Millenium Falcon, the ship Vader is so desperate to obtain, is left intentionally unguarded, so to let the leader of the rebellion, Leia, can run away in it. Don't worry, good ol' Darth has has a brilliant plan too. He turned off the warp drive, it's cool. It only needed to be switched back on, but those Rebels will never figure that one out. Leia is a top leader of the rebellion so letting her almost escape seems like the smartest route to go. And hey, you tested that carbonite machine once, why even bother using it to imprison Leia, that will take an extra 5 minutes.

And speaking of carbonite, what does Vader do with Han? He gives him away to some outskirts bounty hunter and leaves him unchecked, Vader, the guy who chokes people to death because they irritate him, has no grudge against the dude who knocked him out of the sky and let Luke fly in to destroy the death star? Naw, just let him go. And heck, after Luke, Chewie and Leia escape Vader's clutches, there is no worry they will go back and rescue him, right? I mean, the rebellion threatens the galactic empire, but pulling him out of a remote desert palace seems like just too risky of an effort.  ::)



I get that The Last Jedi didn't exhibit full character continuity or show smart and savvy space battle tactics. That irritated me as well, but at some point you gotta admit that these movies are being held to a pretty unfair standard. I let my guard down on these movies intentionally and this movie is entertaining and gave me a good feeling that I am not gonna curmudgeonly destroy for myself. There is a lot of Star Wars magic and lore to be had from this movie, and I was genuinely positively surprised at many of the turns the movie took.

Not to mention Empire Strikes back had a LOT of critics back in the day. But now everyone thinks it's the best movie.  I agree the internet does ruin movies though.
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #53 on: December 28, 2017, 11:10:21 am »
If there was one thing that stuck out as a poor spot of the film, this weird, extremely long chase is it.

...That and flying space Leia...took me right out of the movie.

I agree... that was cringe worthy.
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« Reply #54 on: December 28, 2017, 11:21:54 am »
Perfect point about ESB and the pursuit of the millennium falcon.  There is zero excuse for a plot point as bad as this to be in a modern star wars movie.  I understand your point about internet fan boys Vigo, but i just can't get excited of Disney's trilogy.  I have hope for the Solo and Kenobi films I think stand alone films within the restrictions of the established universe work better for producing a film that I can enjoy.  Even with it's problems Rogue one has been the only Disney offering I've enjoyed.

Ha ha ha.... That is funny Harvey.... only because I am really dreading the Han Solo movie. We are just destined to be on the opposite ends of the spectrum. No worries though, it's nothing personal! I am afraid that they are going to just show us too much about Hans back story, instead of really pushing the universe. I really don't want to see how he meets chewy, or gets the Falcon. Just like I didn't want to see Vader as a kid racing with pod racers and yelling yippee! And I don't want a back story for Boba Fett, nor do I want a back story for Yoda. These characters are great because they are a bit of a mystery. The only way Boba Fett movie would work for me, if he was on a mission hunting a dangerous character in the underbelly of the Star Wars universe. I think that would be cool. The Obiwan movie does have me a bit curious though. 

As far as Solo is concerned I think the only guy who could play Han Solo is Harrison Ford. Harrison just has a natural charisma about him. He isn't a great actor, but he has so much charisma that any movie he makes, he stands out. He is one of my favorite actors, I doubt they will find someone with half the amount of badassery.
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #55 on: December 28, 2017, 11:35:15 am »

I guess (after a bit of digging) that was NOT the last of the Resistance.

Doesn't matter , they couldn't kill them off. You're telling me that if you were in charge you wouldn't try to overkill the resistance people in that group knowing Leia was there? You wouldn't call in more ships? get a couple juggernauts in on that action?  You'd keep firing on the escape pods instead of going ahead and finishing off their cruiser? They didnt ignore the medical ship, they blew that ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- up like a BOSS.

The entire movie was hinged on such a lame pretense, and that's ultimately what made me not enjoy it.   Make it some kind of hide and seek chase with the empire and not a movie about coasting in neutral downhill to save gas and it would have been better. I can accept space zombie force using Leia more than first order doesn't call in more ships or scramble tie fghters to take out escape pods.   When you make the bad guys that incompetent you stop giving a ---fudgesicle--- about beating them.


also, dont triple reply, just put it all in 1 post.
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #56 on: December 28, 2017, 11:56:19 am »

I guess (after a bit of digging) that was NOT the last of the Resistance.

Doesn't matter , they couldn't kill them off. You're telling me that if you were in charge you wouldn't try to overkill the resistance people in that group knowing Leia was there? You wouldn't call in more ships? get a couple juggernauts in on that action?  You'd keep firing on the escape pods instead of going ahead and finishing off their cruiser? They didnt ignore the medical ship, they blew that ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- up like a BOSS.

The entire movie was hinged on such a lame pretense, and that's ultimately what made me not enjoy it.   Make it some kind of hide and seek chase with the empire and not a movie about coasting in neutral downhill to save gas and it would have been better. I can accept space zombie force using Leia more than first order doesn't call in more ships or scramble tie fghters to take out escape pods.   When you make the bad guys that incompetent you stop giving a ---fudgesicle--- about beating them.


also, dont triple reply, just put it all in 1 post.


I get it.... I agree with you. Yes destroy. I am saying maybe they didn't have any more ships. They destroyed the medical ship up because that lost fuel. Just like the main cruiser was going to. It was a safe strategy I agree. I would not have done that myself.

And I will post 8 times if I want... don't be a dick. Each post was a response to a different member. 
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #57 on: December 28, 2017, 12:02:10 pm »

And I will post 8 times if I want... don't be a dick. Each post was a response to a different member.

good talk, being super aggressive for no reason is definitely the key to casual conversation.    And I agree, I'm sure the first order rules the galaxy from the last 5 ships you see on screen.

Finn and Rose crash in front of the heavily guarded battering cannon, first order is under a "no prisoners" order.  How did they get all the way back to the mine with no transportation with imperial walkers and ships around.

During the chase 3 ships ran out of fuel,  its established that the fuel for crusing and the fuel for light speed is separate. Why not send the support ships at the destroyers at light speed to destroy them, they were dead to rights anyway.  Optionally why didnt they split up to buy time if they didnt wanna go all kamikaze

The imperial ships also didnt have fuel issues, so they could have jumped to light speed twice , once at a bit of an angle, and a second time to come back and be ahead of the rebels.

the ground around where the Fake Luke was got blasted to bits, but when Kylo hops down, its unscathed.



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« Reply #58 on: December 28, 2017, 01:45:51 pm »
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You are not a mod.... I'll let you know if they yell at me for posting three times in a row.  :cheers:
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #59 on: December 29, 2017, 11:16:34 am »
Well I finally went to see it last night, and what a major disappointment it was.

After the surprisingly excellent Rogue One, I had dared to hope that maybe, just maybe, the Star Wars franchise was back on track again. Unfortunately, my hopes were cruelly dashed by this latest utterly mediocre offering. To be fair, it wasn't actually terrible, but it wasn't very good either, just mediocre.

It exhibited all the flaws we see in most modern Hollywood blockbusters – overlong, badly paced, superficial character development and backstory, constantly misfiring humour, etc. It also managed to be incoherent in places, which is quite an achievement given how simple the underlying plot actually is.

Anyway, here's the obligatory review by our good friend Adolf:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akQEuWNF7cU


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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #60 on: December 29, 2017, 01:37:18 pm »
These guys are always my favorite reviewers:
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #61 on: December 29, 2017, 04:29:19 pm »
These guys are always my favorite reviewers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9hwGZFPSmw

46 minutes is an instant no. Not as bad as Kevin Smith's ego stroking 90 minute review (that I also didnt watch but read some cliff notes on)
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #62 on: December 29, 2017, 04:31:16 pm »

Anyway, here's the obligatory review by our good friend Adolf:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akQEuWNF7cU

Man, that's one of the best Hilter reuses Ive ever seen and I've seen a ton of them. That Chewie point...... so perfect.  I also agree 100% with your assessment.
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #63 on: December 29, 2017, 04:32:02 pm »
3RD POST BECAUSE ITS NOT AGAINST THE RULES AND JUST PERSONAL PREFERENCE!!!!!

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« Reply #64 on: December 29, 2017, 04:36:11 pm »

Anyway, here's the obligatory review by our good friend Adolf:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akQEuWNF7cU

Man, that's one of the best Hilter reuses Ive ever seen and I've seen a ton of them. That Chewie point...... so perfect.  I also agree 100% with your assessment.


That was rather brilliant to be fair lol

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #65 on: December 29, 2017, 04:45:55 pm »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOG3Rze8UVU

Another good explanation why there is so much unnecessary hate.
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #66 on: December 29, 2017, 04:46:03 pm »
Oh man. Red letter media is always entertaining AND smart. PLUS, they gave us these gems: https://youtu.be/FxKtZmQgxrI

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« Reply #67 on: December 29, 2017, 04:59:42 pm »
Hitler needed to be wearing mouse ears and promoting the film.

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #68 on: December 29, 2017, 05:41:35 pm »
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #69 on: December 30, 2017, 12:40:57 pm »
My kids wanted to have a Star Wars marathon yesterday.  We started with Phantom Menace at 8am and made it all the way through Empire by 11pm.  To finish they want to watch Jedi and Force Awakens and then go see The Last Jedi in the theater again.

That is a heck of a lot of Star Wars but I didn't get bored once--even with the prequels. 

Watching EP3, Rogue One and then EP4 back-to-back was particularly enjoyable.

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« Reply #70 on: January 02, 2018, 06:27:54 pm »
So I finally saw it.  My take: It was fine for a popcorn and ju-ju bean movie.  But this is not supposed to be a run of the mill science fiction movie, its freakin Star Wars!  Sorry but I have high standards for the subject matter and have been repeatedly disappointed since the reboot with Episode 1.  As usual, the script was cringeworthy.  I had a particular hard time with Poe Dameron's plan to disable the tracking device.  This plan involved disobeying direct orders, then we are supposed to stomach Finn's mission across the freakin' galaxy to hire a code breaker and get back in like 8 hours real time.  Really?  The worst was that this plan was directly responsible for the failure of Leia's cloaked retreat - which resulted in the deaths of 3/4 of the remaining resistance.  But not to worry, after the dust settles Poe is in no particular trouble for almost killing everyone....WTF?   :-\

I could go on with many other examples of things that really made me feel betrayed as a fan, but frankly its been discussed enough and at this point I am tired of dwelling on it.  I have a ton of nostalgia for Star Wars - I remember standing in line for 8 hours to see Empire at the theaters.  I just can't believe that the most valuable franchise in the world cannot hire a screenwriter and director who understand the Star Wars universe and can produce a movie with a cohesive and believable plot that builds on the metric ton of past lore.  I guess they really just don't care.  Here's hoping Abrams does something great with the next one, but I am not holding my breath...


 
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #71 on: January 02, 2018, 11:36:30 pm »
The worst was that this plan was directly responsible for the failure of Leia's cloaked retreat - which resulted in the deaths of 3/4 of the remaining resistance.  But not to worry, after the dust settles Poe is in no particular trouble for almost killing everyone....WTF?   :-\

I actually appreciated the fact the plan failed miserably. Great throwback to Return of the Jedi where the plan to send Han and Leia through to endor on a stolen ship while simultaneously throwing the entire rebel fleet at a shield that could potentially kill them all if not disabled timely was a farce of a plan. The movie aptly showed how Leia matured from haphazard plans that many lives are hinged upon. The movie made a point to show you why the plan was terrible.

And the fact that he is not in trouble...who really knew the plan is the reason the cloaked ship escape failed? Only Finn and Rose knew the reason everything fell to pieces (Benecio overheard the plot and sold the resistance out.) As far as Leia, the Jurassic Park lady and the other rebels knew, the empire just saw right through their plan, no reason to suspect anything else, and honestly not much time to even think about it.

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #72 on: January 03, 2018, 04:56:54 pm »
Finally watched this.  Sort of.  There's a decent telesync floating around with clear audio.  After I saw Rogue One in theaters, I decided 'never again' unless the feedback was amazing.  (I'm still at a loss why some think Rogue One was good.... I enjoyed Force Awakens)

It seemed like absolutely nothing happened.  I don't feel like anything new progressed with any of the main characters.  Did any of them actually croak?  Snoke seemed pointless.  Yoda looked terrible. 

I'll give it a rewatch... but...

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #73 on: January 04, 2018, 09:38:29 am »
Yoda was an actual puppet again I think.  I did see Frank Oz in the credits...

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #74 on: January 04, 2018, 09:50:32 am »
Yoda was an actual puppet again I think.  I did see Frank Oz in the credits...

Yeah, he was a puppet and not CGI this time.
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« Reply #75 on: January 04, 2018, 10:07:07 am »
Only Finn and Rose knew the reason everything fell to pieces (Benecio overheard the plot and sold the resistance out.) As far as Leia, the Jurassic Park lady and the other rebels knew, the empire just saw right through their plan, no reason to suspect anything else, and honestly not much time to even think about it.

I must have missed that.  At what point did Finn and Rose find out the real plan was to sneak away in transport ships for Benecio to overhear it?  As far as Finn and Rose where concerned the main ship was going to hyperjump once they turned off the tracker.  It seemed odd that Benecio knew that part of the plan somehow and was able to sell the information to the First Order.  Especially when Poe and others on the main ship were unaware of the plan.

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #76 on: January 04, 2018, 10:18:52 am »
Only Finn and Rose knew the reason everything fell to pieces (Benecio overheard the plot and sold the resistance out.) As far as Leia, the Jurassic Park lady and the other rebels knew, the empire just saw right through their plan, no reason to suspect anything else, and honestly not much time to even think about it.

I must have missed that.  At what point did Finn and Rose find out the real plan was to sneak away in transport ships for Benecio to overhear it?  As far as Finn and Rose where concerned the main ship was going to hyperjump once they turned off the tracker.  It seemed odd that Benecio knew that part of the plan somehow and was able to sell the information to the First Order.  Especially when Poe and others on the main ship were unaware of the plan.



The point I understand where Benecio picked up on the plan is when they got out of hyperspace and were on the radio with Poe. Poe quickly radios Finn and Rose and mentions they abandoned the main ship and are in in transports heading for the nearby planet.

Yeah, they skimmed right over at what point Benecio got caught, ended up making a deal with the empire. Could have been a victim of bad editing, but we as viewers saw very little time after hyperspace where he could have communicated with the empire first order.

I feel that the 2nd half of the movie was a bit jumpy, which makes me think this could have been a 2 and a half hour film but was edited for time. I'm curious if it would get LOTR treatment with an extended edition. 

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #77 on: January 04, 2018, 10:22:22 am »

The point I understand where Benecio picked up on the plan is when they got out of hyperspace and were on the radio with Poe. Poe quickly radios Finn and Rose and mentions they abandoned the main ship and are in in transports heading for the nearby planet.

I missed that exchange.  The kids want to see it again so I'll watch for it this time.

Why did the janitor twins stay on their mission then if they knew the plan had changed?  The only way that plan would have worked was if they quickly made a hyperjump in the main ship.

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #78 on: January 04, 2018, 11:12:33 am »

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #79 on: January 04, 2018, 11:38:04 am »
Yoda was an actual puppet again I think.  I did see Frank Oz in the credits...

Yeah, he was a puppet and not CGI this time.

He looked like ---smurfy--- CGI.


  
 

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