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| wp34:
--- Quote from: yotsuya on December 23, 2017, 04:36:11 pm --- --- Quote from: wp34 on December 23, 2017, 03:10:46 pm ---I had a good time at the movie but didn't really care for it if that makes any sense. There are a ton of creative and exciting sequences but much of it fell flat for me. Its the 9th best Star Wars film in my opinion. --- Quote from: harveybirdman on December 23, 2017, 09:44:08 am ---...and just accepting that there is a map to a guy that doesn't want to be found and suddenly after 35 years doesn't care at all for his father's light sabre that his beloved mentor gave him, his father whom he watched lovingly burn in a pyre on Endor with the satisfaction that he had brought him back to the light. But Kylo was emo so he had to lose all faith and try to kill him... --- End quote --- This is my problem with the movie. The ruined the Luke character for me. Even my wife (who isn't a Star Wars nut like me) didn't understand the disparity between Luke's behavior in Jedi towards his father and then Kylo in the flashback. I get what they were trying to do it just didn't work for me. I understand Disney's desire to move away from the Skywalker clan but don't understand their hurry. They seem set to make a Star Wars movie every 12-18 months. They could have given us a satisfying Skywalker trilogy and then made a move away at that rate of production. The three original leads were never on screen together in the last two episodes and now we will never get the chance to see them reunited. --- End quote --- I need to see it again, but I get where you’re getting from. I didn’t hate it, but I feel very underwhelmed. I would really liked for them to have flushed out more of Luke’s story with Kylo Ren. Why did he fall? How did Snoke could play into this? How was everything else going with the other Jedi that Luke was training? That would’ve gone a long way towards explaining Luke’s motivation to me. I’m cool with Emo Kylo Ren, I just want to know what happened to make him turn against his family the way he did. I don’t feel like they’ve adequately explained that yet. --- End quote --- To be honest they don't need to flush anything out for me at this point. This was the first Star Wars movie I ever left not caring what happens next. I don't mean that to say I was angry I just literally don't care. They could stop making movies now and I'd be fine. Especially after they raise a lot of "mysteries" in EP7 and then just decide (with EP8) to either drop them or make you feel dumb for caring in the first place. |
| harveybirdman:
That is where I'm at complety WP, total apathy. I may see the Solo and Kenobi films.... But I simply don't care about future installments if this is to be the standard treatment. |
| Ian:
Great video. It is exactly what I believe is going on here... And I am no apologist... I hated the prequels, I even didn't care for the first half of Rogue One, Nor did I like the fact that The Force Awakens is a shot for shot remake of A New Hope. I am sick of people giving no real good excuses why this movie sucks... Just bombs fell in space? Yes... again those are legit regular bombs that need gravity to fall.... come on. I thought it was brave to make Luke a flawed human. The video goes into better details.. but I am done arguing about it. Just know that I thought it was original and one of the best made Star Wars movies ever. I am glad he put out this movie. And I am glad Disney didn't veto him and fire him halfway through production. |
| Ian:
--- Quote --- I really don't see the need for an Episode 9 now there is nothing to resolve. --- End quote --- Nothing left to see? What? They have to start the Rebellion from scratch! It has a very smooth feeling of continuation like A New Hope did... |
| voltz:
I was glad I kept all of my expectations in check when I went to see this on Saturday. This film is much more story focused, so I can take in how important it stands in this part of the trilogy. My only concern now is that the changes made by this director (aside from Fisher's passing) don't interfere with the plot that J.J. has planned for the next film, because this whole series should have been planned ahead instead of just one film at a time. I'm aware that it's now more a clean slate then ever and there's no reason not to add time to the events that happen afterwards, rather then just taking off right away as this sequel did. The stories of "The Resistance" need room to build on their own accord instead of another movie heading it off. As I remember a lot has happened in between A New Hope and Empire because of a 5 year span, so this trilogy needs about the same or there will never be a proper series for it. |
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