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Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« on: December 14, 2017, 08:58:26 pm »
Hot take, no spoilers (yet)

I was wowed, I was moved to tears, I was moved to cheers!
Aaaaaaand...I was moved to CRINGE. HARD. Multiple times.
Still good movie.

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2017, 09:07:05 pm »
This forum needs an ignore thread option.


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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2017, 06:31:45 am »
This forum needs an ignore thread option.
Haha, fair enough. But then commenting makes sure you follow this thread...?

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2017, 02:52:49 pm »
It was absolute garbage

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2017, 09:06:27 pm »
It was absolute garbage

Meh, i wouldn't go that far.  It had some lows though.  "Leah Poppins" is one of them,  :lol.

A good amount of tension, though.  And it was nice to see them get away from the original trilogy's tropes.

It was a good while ago that i stopped expecting new ones to be as good as the OT.  I will always get the most enjoyment out of them.  The xbox KOTOR games come a close second.  Everything else is a different franchise in my mind, haha.

But hey, Disney now owns the rights to Star Wars '77 now, so at least we may FINALLY get a remastered, yet unmolested release of the OT.

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2017, 09:26:07 pm »
Impossible Lucas destroyed the originals.  However Google Despecialized versions and you can get pretty darn close thanks to the efforts of many dedicated and talented people.


And no one that calls themselves a Star Wars fan can forgive the evisceration of the character Luke Skywalker.  If you expect anyone to believe the garbage espoused by the character in TLJ you had better give me way more back story and motivation than was provided.

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2017, 10:02:40 pm »
Star Wars sucks.






Somebody had to say it. :dunno
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2017, 01:09:00 am »
I left the theater being extremely disappointed.   

Disney and some tool named Rian really dropped a stinker on us. I loved TFA and didn't care that it copied a lot from ANH. I still consider it a masterpiece and was blown away after seeing both TFA and Rogue One.

JJ has a hell of a mess to clean up when it comes to E9

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2017, 02:55:37 am »
I'll just leave this here:

Luke Skywalker Master Jedi drinking breast milk....

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2017, 09:13:19 am »
Yeah. Drinking milk is crazy. That is by far the craziest thing in a movie about space wizards.

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2017, 02:31:33 pm »
6.5 out of 10.  Some nice ideas in the movie but it really feels like they went left instead of right just so they can say "see?  You weren't expecting that eh?".  The movie has too many moments that don't feel earned and a couple of moments that are stupid.  Some fantastic effects and a couple of earned moments made it entertaining overall.  It still also has better acting than the majority of the prequels.

As a whole I still feel I was entertained but the Star Wars geek part of the brain had to be parked.  That just isn't right.

As weird as it sounds for me to say this, somehow this movie elevated TFA to me because warts and all, at least TFA had the heart of SW.  This movie does not.

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2017, 05:54:09 pm »
I saw it today. I think it's the best Star Wars movie outside of the original trilogy, of course it's not hard to top any Star Wars movie outside of the original trilogy... honestly I'm not that sure how I feel about it, but I will say Adam Driver does a much better job with his role as Kylo then Hayden Christensen as Anikin. And yeah the milk thing was dumb.

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2017, 06:52:51 pm »
I actually enjoy all the emo Kylo Ren stuff. To me, itís normal and tangible for someone young to be so conflicted. It makes sense.
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2017, 07:30:28 pm »
Especially someone so young with magic wizard powers. I hate to think what I would have acted like if I had those powers at a young age. Or now for that matter.

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2017, 09:06:24 pm »
There is no diminishing  fuel in the Star Wars universe.
The slow chase was moronic, they would have just sent Ties and Boarding parties
The vacuum of space kills you
Still no satisfying details or backstory on Snoke, Finn, Phasma, Rey, Luke, or Kylo
Characters do not do what that character would do based on cannon
Allegory is horrible in Star Wars... always has been. One of the most horrible parts of the prequels, death sticks, pod racing, etc.
Death Star 2 recreated in salt mine
Other elements of Jedi recreated in Snokes throne room
New admiral looks like she was costumed for Harry Potter not Star Wars
Utter symbolic abuse of Anakins light sabre
No continuity from 7
Luke doesn't have green saber at end.... idiotic



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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2017, 09:43:14 pm »
Scene with Maz Kanata was stupid. Instead of being on some crappy projection in a pointless scene... why wasn't she more involved and perhaps Leia could've told her about what happened to Han? They could've had a moment there...

Why wasn't lando the codebreaker?

The opening crawl might as well showed TFA with this Rian dude taking a crap on it...




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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #16 on: December 17, 2017, 09:49:51 pm »
New admiral looks like she was costumed for Harry Potter not Star Wars

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I kept thinking Hunger Games but yeah Harry Potter is good too.

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #17 on: December 18, 2017, 06:35:29 am »
The vacuum of space kills you

Not when that much botox is involved my friend.
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2017, 11:44:06 am »
Overall I enjoyed the movie. But since we are picking at it.

1. Making up Tech to enable your plot...Meh. Better to pull the hyperspace mesh ideas from the expanded universe books.
2. They tried to inject humor and failed most of the time. I did really laugh at least twice though.
3. I still feel that Rey no matter how powerful in the force would be able to do what she does with out training.
4. Are we really going to Vegas in the middle of a car chase?
5. In general security and protection measures in the SW universe seem to suck big time.
6. How do bombs drop in space?
7. The concept of Leia poppins (LOL BTW) could have worked But, Not like that. There was exactly a force ability in the RPGs that would explain that.
8. Adam Driver's performance in TLJ was better, but still to whiney.
9. I don't buy the Kylo/Luke backstory.
10. No one should pilot a star fighter without a helmet...just no.

Please take with a grain of salt. I could pick apart A New Hope Too...(but wont)
I enjoyed the movie and think it is much better than TFA. Much!

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #19 on: December 22, 2017, 05:36:48 pm »
There is no diminishing  fuel in the Star Wars universe. --- There is.... Look at ESB at the end. The ships that escorted the medical Frigate where fueling ships
The slow chase was moronic, they would have just sent Ties and Boarding parties ---- The cruiser still had cannons, plus why risk lives when you know they will be sitting ducks? Sound Strategy IMO.
The vacuum of space kills you--- Hated that scene
Still no satisfying details or backstory on Snoke, Finn, Phasma, Rey, Luke, or Kylo--- We dont need a back story to Phasma, like we dont need a back story to Boba Fett. Finn, Rey and Kylo have backstories. Snoke? who cares?
Characters do not do what that character would do based on cannon---- ????? Mind blown.
Allegory is horrible in Star Wars... always has been. One of the most horrible parts of the prequels, death sticks, pod racing, etc.
Death Star 2 recreated in salt mine---- what? are you talking about the falcon? Sigh... nit pick.
Other elements of Jedi recreated in Snokes throne room ---- So he worships Vader. Obviously he worships Palpatine, Plus its a bad ass room. Everyone evil should want one.
New admiral looks like she was costumed for Harry Potter not Star Wars --- Not an admiral... Just a temp for Leia. So who cares if she had purple hair?
Utter symbolic abuse of Anakins light sabre ????? What ????
No continuity from 7 What?????
Luke doesn't have green saber at end.... idiotic------ He doesn't have a lightsabre at all. I assume he chucked out the green one after the defeat from Kylo, either way Luke can have any color he chooses and he chose Blue.Seriously you are mad about that???

This is all so dumb.... wrong wrong wrong. If you don't like Star Wars stop watching it thinking it will spark something inside of you like when you were 8 years old.

Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats.

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #20 on: December 22, 2017, 05:38:22 pm »
Scene with Maz Kanata was stupid. Instead of being on some crappy projection in a pointless scene... why wasn't she more involved and perhaps Leia could've told her about what happened to Han? They could've had a moment there...

Why wasn't lando the codebreaker?

The opening crawl might as well showed TFA with this Rian dude taking a crap on it...

What???? This makes no sense either..... Lando? Why drag another aging character in this saga? He never even hinted at being a code breaker in the OT. Why do you want him to be one now?
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« Reply #21 on: December 22, 2017, 06:10:17 pm »
I thought this movie is about as near perfect a Star Wars movie as you are going to get. There were so many great great scenes.. The moment Luke had with R2, was fantastic! R2 is the reason Luke is not tending to some moisture farm, plus when he showed Luke the Hologram from A New Hope??? The moment with Yoda (props for bringing back the puppet from ESB and ROTJ). Great scene.  I mean those are two HUGE moments and people are on here saying Rian crapped on Star Wars?

All of the costumes where great... the kid at the end of the movie was such a powerful scene... anyone can be one with the force. You don't have to be a Skywalker to be a hero. I thought that was a great way to end it. The broom stick shining with the glow of the moon, made it look like a lightsabre.... amazing!

What I liked about the OT is the fact that they told a very small story in the context of a galaxy sized war. In the prequels they told a Large story (or tried too...) and it didn't work. This movie with the chase scene specificly is small in scale, yet it was powerful and full of drama and death. The Empire never got that close to wiping out the Rebels in the OT... every ship that ran out of fuel, almost every escape pod... destroyed. Small story told in a larger setting. I loved it. I loved that the hero's plan didn't work, I thought that was fresh and took balls of steel for Rian to do that. It shows that these hero's are still learning, which was yoda's whole point and one of the themes of the movie.

I loved that Rey's parents are nobody's... I was secretly hoping that she was a new hero, a new Jedi. Not a Skywalker, not a Kenobi and that foolishness... it opens up the universe. It shows that there are force sensitive creatures out there that can be taught. It shows that everyone can be a hero.

I loved the fact that Luke wasn't the same whiny kid who wanted to save the Universe, and was foolish to a fault. He grew up... he made mistakes he became withdrawn and he beat himself up over it. He learned that the force doesn't belong to the Jedi or the Sith... and that the Jedi where vane... And they were! Think about the vanity the Jedi had in the Prequels. Look at how they screwed up Anakin. Look how they wanted power just as much as the Sith.

I have heard people saying that they keep slaughtering their childhood hero's. I see that they killed off Solo... but Luke is different. They didn't kill him off... this was the way Luke can help the cause. Becoming one with the force allows him to train rey, and to be there to guide her. It was essentially Lukes way of joining up with the Rebellion and helping in a different capacity. Luke is Legend, he is also a force ghost now. And I don't know about you guys but the idea of Luke being a force ghost a la Obiwan gets me all geeked up! Luke was fantastic in the whole movie, I really thought that this was Mark Hamills best performances as an actor. He really looked conflicted. You could feel his pain.

I also want to say that Rey (Daisy Ridley) is fantastic, She can act with the best of them. The way she plays Rey is just incredible and Strong yet so vulnerable. It's a balance that Daisy pulls off!

I liked the Casino... I thought it was a great way to show that the retched hive of scum and villainy is true to both classes. It was a great way of demonstrated that there is a very fine line between good and evil and that sometimes good still isn't as good as you would think. No one is innocent in war.

What else????

I thought the humor hit more than it missed... the opening joke with Poe was good, but then was over stretched and they stuck with it too long. But other than that, the scenes with the Porgs, and the caretakers where funny. We definitely have taken massive steps from Jar Jar stepping in Poodoo.... lol

I loved the connection between Rey and Kylo, I loved how they teamed up and killed Snoke. And fought the guards. It was one of the best lightsabre fights since Episode I. I also thought that it was great how after the fight, both thought that the other was going to join their side. Kylo thought he had Rey turned, Rey thought he was going to be good... but both lost in the end. And now lines have been drawn.

I really really loved it. I thought that everything I thought was going to happen, didn't. No one watching that movie could have predicted how everything was going to shake out. It was so entertaining!

My last point is this... I am glad he didn't JJ this movie. This movie isn't riddled with question marks, or unanswered questions. It ended with an ending. The movie sets up the CONTINUING story of Luke, Rey, Finn, Poe. JJ has been throwing that lazing film making ever since the TV show Lost.... yet so many people bite onto that crap hook line and sinker.  Thank you Rian for a great film!

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #22 on: December 22, 2017, 06:11:42 pm »
Scene with Maz Kanata was stupid. Instead of being on some crappy projection in a pointless scene... why wasn't she more involved and perhaps Leia could've told her about what happened to Han? They could've had a moment there...

Why wasn't lando the codebreaker?

The opening crawl might as well showed TFA with this Rian dude taking a crap on it...

What???? This makes no sense either..... Lando? Why drag another aging character in this saga? He never even hinted at being a code breaker in the OT. Why do you want him to be one now?


And another thing about Lando... Poor Wedge blew up two Death Stars and helped evacuate the Rebel base on Hoth, yet Lando became the General???? Please.
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #23 on: December 22, 2017, 10:26:39 pm »
I loved that Rey's parents are nobody's... I was secretly hoping that she was a new hero, a new Jedi. Not a Skywalker, not a Kenobi and that foolishness... it opens up the universe. It shows that there are force sensitive creatures out there that can be taught. It shows that everyone can be a hero.

Was that actually established?  Didn't that info come from the bad guys who were trying to manipulate her?

I enjoyed it.  I'm not into star wars enough to worry about "canon" and such, so it's probably easier for me to just enjoy it.

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« Reply #24 on: December 23, 2017, 09:16:24 am »
I loved that Rey's parents are nobody's... I was secretly hoping that she was a new hero, a new Jedi. Not a Skywalker, not a Kenobi and that foolishness... it opens up the universe. It shows that there are force sensitive creatures out there that can be taught. It shows that everyone can be a hero.

Was that actually established?  Didn't that info come from the bad guys who were trying to manipulate her?

I enjoyed it.  I'm not into star wars enough to worry about "canon" and such, so it's probably easier for me to just enjoy it.

I almost jumped out of my chair when the bad guys said that... I hope it's true. Until I hear otherwise I thought it was bold move.
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« Reply #25 on: December 23, 2017, 09:36:10 am »
Why does everyone seem to want Rey to be related to someone we know in Star Wars? Doesn't that make the universe way smaller?
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« Reply #26 on: December 23, 2017, 09:44:08 am »
I am so sick of apologists telling me I can't like something because I have unrealistic expectations.

I'm sorry I don't get off on Bombs falling in space and just accepting that there is a map to a guy that doesn't want to be found and suddenly after 35 years doesn't care at all for his father's light sabre that his beloved mentor gave him, his father whom he watched lovingly burn in a pyre on Endor with the satisfaction that he had brought him back to the light.  But Kylo was emo so he had to lose all faith and try to kill him...

Is there something that explains all that, maybe but don't try to argue that it's three different recalls of that moment in this film.  It's utter garbage.

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« Reply #27 on: December 23, 2017, 02:05:59 pm »
Bombs falling in space

The ship is so massive, it has it's own gravity field.
or
The gravity field generated so people can walk around inside the ship as if they're not in space extends beyond the top of the ship.
or
There has always been earth level gravity everywhere in the Star Wars Universe regardless of what planet or ship people are on.  It's keeping with canon.

EDIT: or the bombs generate their own gravity field between themselves and the target.


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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #28 on: December 23, 2017, 02:15:42 pm »
Saw it last night.  Absolutely loved it.

I'm not seeing any of the "bad" that folks are trying to pile on it.  I'm gonna go see it again, cause I know for a fact I missed little details throughout the movie.  Heck, my son has seen it three times now and missed  the Jedi texts in the drawer on the Falcon!  No wonder Yoda was so cool with nuking the temple!.

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« Reply #29 on: December 23, 2017, 02:28:34 pm »
My last point is this... I am glad he didn't JJ this movie. This movie isn't riddled with question marks, or unanswered questions. It ended with an ending.

Yes, you're so right. Now there's no reason to give a crap about E9 because everyone in the story has been established to be nobodies. Why should I care about them? *yawns*
There is nothing left of interest left to discover or wonder about in this trilogy. None of it matters any longer. It is very apparent they haven't thought out the story over the 3 movies at all and they are just coming up with ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- on the fly. I really don't see the need for an Episode 9 now there is nothing to resolve.

I mean I could've loved it for being different, but I disliked it for being poorly written, badly paced, and including some unnecessary characters that actively detracted from the experience. That's in addition to plot holes large enough to drive a truck through.

At the beginning of TFA Finn is a scared and frightened mess that can hardly shoot his blaster and now he can kamikaze a ship for some Asian girl he's only known for 12 hours.... Yeah right

http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1144960

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« Reply #30 on: December 23, 2017, 03:04:37 pm »
I agree with B2K24 100%

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #31 on: December 23, 2017, 03:10:46 pm »
I had a good time at the movie but didn't really care for it if that makes any sense.  There are a ton of creative and exciting sequences but much of it fell flat for me.  Its the 9th best Star Wars film in my opinion. 

...and just accepting that there is a map to a guy that doesn't want to be found and suddenly after 35 years doesn't care at all for his father's light sabre that his beloved mentor gave him, his father whom he watched lovingly burn in a pyre on Endor with the satisfaction that he had brought him back to the light.  But Kylo was emo so he had to lose all faith and try to kill him...


This is my problem with the movie.  The ruined the Luke character for me.  Even my wife (who isn't a Star Wars nut like me) didn't understand the disparity between Luke's behavior in Jedi towards his father and then Kylo in the flashback.  I get what they were trying to do it just didn't work for me.

I understand Disney's desire to move away from the Skywalker clan but don't understand their hurry.  They seem set to make a Star Wars movie every 12-18 months.  They could have given us a satisfying Skywalker trilogy and then made a move away at that rate of production.  The three original leads were never on screen together in the last two episodes and now we will never get the chance to see them reunited.


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Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #32 on: December 23, 2017, 04:36:11 pm »
I had a good time at the movie but didn't really care for it if that makes any sense.  There are a ton of creative and exciting sequences but much of it fell flat for me.  Its the 9th best Star Wars film in my opinion. 

...and just accepting that there is a map to a guy that doesn't want to be found and suddenly after 35 years doesn't care at all for his father's light sabre that his beloved mentor gave him, his father whom he watched lovingly burn in a pyre on Endor with the satisfaction that he had brought him back to the light.  But Kylo was emo so he had to lose all faith and try to kill him...


This is my problem with the movie.  The ruined the Luke character for me.  Even my wife (who isn't a Star Wars nut like me) didn't understand the disparity between Luke's behavior in Jedi towards his father and then Kylo in the flashback.  I get what they were trying to do it just didn't work for me.

I understand Disney's desire to move away from the Skywalker clan but don't understand their hurry.  They seem set to make a Star Wars movie every 12-18 months.  They could have given us a satisfying Skywalker trilogy and then made a move away at that rate of production.  The three original leads were never on screen together in the last two episodes and now we will never get the chance to see them reunited.

I need to see it again, but I get where youíre getting from. I didnít hate it, but I feel very underwhelmed.

I would really liked for them to have flushed out more of Lukeís story with Kylo Ren. Why did he fall? How did Snoke could play into this? How was everything else going with the other Jedi that Luke was training? That wouldíve gone a long way towards explaining Lukeís motivation to me.

Iím cool with Emo Kylo Ren, I just want to know what happened to make him turn against his family the way he did. I donít feel like theyíve adequately explained that yet.
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #33 on: December 23, 2017, 04:40:23 pm »
Oh, and count me in as part of the ďIím happy Rey was not Lukeís illegitimate daughter or she and Ben were separated at birth or some other nonsense like thatĒ group.
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« Reply #34 on: December 23, 2017, 05:33:31 pm »
This is a trilogy?  I thought they were just going to keep coming out with one every year indefinitely.





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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #35 on: December 23, 2017, 07:36:09 pm »
I had a good time at the movie but didn't really care for it if that makes any sense.  There are a ton of creative and exciting sequences but much of it fell flat for me.  Its the 9th best Star Wars film in my opinion. 

...and just accepting that there is a map to a guy that doesn't want to be found and suddenly after 35 years doesn't care at all for his father's light sabre that his beloved mentor gave him, his father whom he watched lovingly burn in a pyre on Endor with the satisfaction that he had brought him back to the light.  But Kylo was emo so he had to lose all faith and try to kill him...


This is my problem with the movie.  The ruined the Luke character for me.  Even my wife (who isn't a Star Wars nut like me) didn't understand the disparity between Luke's behavior in Jedi towards his father and then Kylo in the flashback.  I get what they were trying to do it just didn't work for me.

I understand Disney's desire to move away from the Skywalker clan but don't understand their hurry.  They seem set to make a Star Wars movie every 12-18 months.  They could have given us a satisfying Skywalker trilogy and then made a move away at that rate of production.  The three original leads were never on screen together in the last two episodes and now we will never get the chance to see them reunited.

I need to see it again, but I get where youíre getting from. I didnít hate it, but I feel very underwhelmed.

I would really liked for them to have flushed out more of Lukeís story with Kylo Ren. Why did he fall? How did Snoke could play into this? How was everything else going with the other Jedi that Luke was training? That wouldíve gone a long way towards explaining Lukeís motivation to me.

Iím cool with Emo Kylo Ren, I just want to know what happened to make him turn against his family the way he did. I donít feel like theyíve adequately explained that yet.

To be honest they don't need to flush anything out for me at this point.  This was the first Star Wars movie I ever left not caring what happens next.  I don't mean that to say I was angry I just literally don't care.  They could stop making movies now and I'd be fine.  Especially after they raise a lot of "mysteries" in EP7 and then just decide (with EP8) to either drop them or make you feel dumb for caring in the first place.

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #36 on: December 23, 2017, 08:00:14 pm »
That is where I'm at complety WP, total apathy.  I may see the Solo and Kenobi films.... But I simply don't care about future installments if this is to be the standard treatment.

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #37 on: December 24, 2017, 02:58:58 pm »
https://youtu.be/mp9QHrKlV54

Great video. It is exactly what I believe is going on here...

And I am no apologist... I hated the prequels, I even didn't care for the first half of Rogue One, Nor did I like the fact that The Force Awakens is a shot for shot remake of A New Hope. I am sick of people giving no real good excuses why this movie sucks... Just bombs fell in space? Yes... again those are legit regular bombs that need gravity to fall.... come on.

I thought it was brave to make Luke a flawed human. The video goes into better details.. but I am done arguing about it. Just know that I thought it was original and one of the best made Star Wars movies ever. I am glad he put out this movie. And I am glad Disney didn't veto him and fire him halfway through production.
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #38 on: December 24, 2017, 03:02:54 pm »


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I really don't see the need for an Episode 9 now there is nothing to resolve.

Nothing left to see? What? They have to start the Rebellion from scratch! It has a very smooth feeling of continuation like A New Hope did...

 
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #39 on: December 24, 2017, 10:40:27 pm »
I was glad I kept all of my expectations in check when I went to see this on Saturday.  This film is much more story focused, so I can take in how important it stands in this part of the trilogy.  My only concern now is that the changes made by this director (aside from Fisher's passing) don't interfere with the plot that J.J. has planned for the next film, because this whole series should have been planned ahead instead of just one film at a time.

I'm aware that it's now more a clean slate then ever and there's no reason not to add time to the events that happen afterwards, rather then just taking off right away as this sequel did.  The stories of "The Resistance" need room to build on their own accord instead of another movie heading it off.  As I remember a lot has happened in between A New Hope and Empire because of a 5 year span, so this trilogy needs about the same or there will never be a proper series for it.
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