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Author Topic: So thus far Star Trek Discovery sucks.  (Read 2598 times)

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Re: So thus far Star Trek Discovery sucks.
« Reply #40 on: September 27, 2017, 11:32:32 pm »
Serialized TV shows often get trapped by their own narrative. Good stories are often ruined because writers have to move the plot along. Star Trek is the perfect vehicle for new stories every week.

The downside of the adventure-of-the-week storytelling though is a (somewhat) consequence-free universe and lack of character development.  TNG suffered from this a lot.

It's possible to have a happy medium with adventures-of-the-week, but still maintain a coherent overall narrative.  Firefly was a good example of that; or it would have been if Fox had aired the bloody series in the proper order.

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Re: So thus far Star Trek Discovery sucks.
« Reply #41 on: October 03, 2017, 06:37:17 pm »
My wife and I are really enjoying The Orville.  I'm not saying it is a great show (the acting and writing are suspect) but it is a lot of fun.

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Re: So thus far Star Trek Discovery sucks.
« Reply #42 on: October 03, 2017, 08:59:13 pm »
My wife and I are really enjoying The Orville.  I'm not saying it is a great show (the acting and writing are suspect) but it is a lot of fun.

haha never heard of this.
I love it!

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Re: So thus far Star Trek Discovery sucks.
« Reply #43 on: October 03, 2017, 09:05:14 pm »
ok so 3rd episode seemed like a different series.
the weird captain may or may not get annoying.
Will keep watching.

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Re: So thus far Star Trek Discovery sucks.
« Reply #44 on: October 03, 2017, 09:13:11 pm »
I thought the 3rd episode was the worst so far. A billion forced plot devices, bad acting (looking at you questionably gay science officer, and cadet roommate), more magic than science, and the whole Alice in Wonderland spin fell so flat it was eye-rolling cringe worthy.

So far from the first episode the series has been getting worse and worst.

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Re: So thus far Star Trek Discovery sucks.
« Reply #45 on: October 03, 2017, 09:27:07 pm »
Yeah it was bad.  I was hoping they might lighten the hell up now that they are on the ship, but nope.... looks like the entire season is gonna be this dark federation black-ops conspiracy deal.  It reminds me of that episode where Riker is with his old captain to recover a device that puts ships out of phase, only the federation outlawed it, ect.  Only that was cleared up in an episode.... no need to drag out a plot like this for a whole season. 

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Re: So thus far Star Trek Discovery sucks.
« Reply #46 on: October 04, 2017, 08:49:46 pm »
forget discovery, the Orville is actually not bad.
Thought it was just a goof my McFarlene but they actually sneak in some moral thought provoking stuff in there while being entertaining and funny.

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Re: So thus far Star Trek Discovery sucks.
« Reply #47 on: October 05, 2017, 09:23:45 am »
No surprise that Discovery sucks... has there ever been anything Star Trek that can be considered good?

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Re: So thus far Star Trek Discovery sucks.
« Reply #48 on: October 05, 2017, 09:31:01 am »
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Re: So thus far Star Trek Discovery sucks.
« Reply #49 on: October 05, 2017, 11:22:07 am »
You know what would make Discovery better? If they used a Pi to control everything.
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Re: So thus far Star Trek Discovery sucks.
« Reply #50 on: October 05, 2017, 11:34:59 am »
The bridge should have a pedestal with an aircraft carrier top and angled joysticks. The view screen will be 26 inches.

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Re: So thus far Star Trek Discovery sucks.
« Reply #51 on: October 05, 2017, 12:13:54 pm »
You know what would make Discovery better? If they used a Pi to control everything.
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Re: So thus far Star Trek Discovery sucks.
« Reply #52 on: October 05, 2017, 01:14:00 pm »
They could really use some rgb leds.... you know... to LIGHT THE SET.  Seriously the cinematographer needs fired.  There are many acceptable ways to hide a crummy set, but making it so dark that you can't see anything isn't one of them.

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Re: So thus far Star Trek Discovery sucks.
« Reply #53 on: October 05, 2017, 01:32:26 pm »
I think this is the first time Trek put out something that I have zero desire to even try watching.

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Re: So thus far Star Trek Discovery sucks.
« Reply #54 on: October 05, 2017, 01:50:20 pm »
I think this is the first time Trek put out something that I have zero desire to even try watching.

Same.  Never thought I would say that either.

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Re: So thus far Star Trek Discovery sucks.
« Reply #55 on: October 05, 2017, 01:56:20 pm »
Well what kills me is quite a few "professional" critics are giving it good reviews.  Just goes to show that the quality of critics has really went downhill.

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Re: So thus far Star Trek Discovery sucks.
« Reply #56 on: October 06, 2017, 01:59:08 am »
They must be hard-up for cash these days.

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Re: So thus far Star Trek Discovery sucks.
« Reply #57 on: October 06, 2017, 07:36:21 am »
Well what kills me is quite a few "professional" critics are giving it good reviews.  Just goes to show that the quality of critics has really went downhill.

FWIW, IMDB is currently show a score of 7.3/10.

In comparison, Enterprise has a 7.5 and Voyager a 7.7.

So it's not that far off other Star Trek series.

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Re: So thus far Star Trek Discovery sucks.
« Reply #58 on: October 06, 2017, 10:27:27 am »
No surprise that Discovery sucks... has there ever been anything Star Trek that can be considered good?
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Re: So thus far Star Trek Discovery sucks.
« Reply #59 on: October 06, 2017, 08:20:06 pm »
Cool, someone found safe space to continue the pile-on!

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Re: So thus far Star Trek Discovery sucks.
« Reply #60 on: October 07, 2017, 10:34:54 pm »
The latest episode of The Orville (with Charlize Theron) was the best one yet.  It had several funny bits and a clever storyline.  It bothered me at first they promoted the show as a parody but to be honest I like the direction they are heading with slightly more serious plots. 

I feel like one of the Pi guys except I'm dumping on the Star Trek thread with The Orville.   ;D

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Re: So thus far Star Trek Discovery sucks.
« Reply #61 on: October 07, 2017, 10:52:41 pm »
The latest episode of The Orville (with Charlize Theron) was the best one yet.  It had several funny bits and a clever storyline.  It bothered me at first they promoted the show as a parody but to be honest I like the direction they are heading with slightly more serious plots. 

I feel like one of the Pi guys except I'm dumping on the Star Trek thread with The Orville.   ;D

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Re: So thus far Star Trek Discovery sucks.
« Reply #62 on: October 07, 2017, 10:57:39 pm »
No the Orville is a superior show in that it understands the genre and goes with it.  Now if only the acting and writing were on par with a contemporary scifi show it'd be perfect.  As someone who's digested every single solitary episode of star trek and all the spin-offs, and the movies, and a decent chunk of the comics and books, the stories on the Orville are just a tad predictable.  They are taking bits and pieces from previous Star Trek episodes, particularly TNG, and turning them into their own work.  Then again, that can be said for practically every scifi show as TNG literally invented modern science fiction.... I just wish they'd be a bit less obvious about it. 

Totally saw that amputated leg bit btw... I still laughed, it was damn funny.  Lt. Commander Data inspired humor is the best.  The prop guy needs punished though.... the leg they found was a full leg, while in the previous shot we see that it was amputated at the knee. 

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Re: So thus far Star Trek Discovery sucks.
« Reply #63 on: October 07, 2017, 11:45:59 pm »
The Orville is getting better with each episode. I like it.

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Re: So thus far Star Trek Discovery sucks.
« Reply #64 on: October 08, 2017, 12:06:16 am »
I've seen the first episode of the Orville and while I can appreciate what they are trying to do, I found the juxtaposition of the story and setting with the attempted humor a bit off-putting.  It felt like a show that didn't know what it was trying to be, and MacFarlane's non-sequitur style of humor wasn't particularly fitting.

I feel like if they could even out the tone of the show, it could really be something great.

Guess I should watch more episodes and see where it goes...
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Re: So thus far Star Trek Discovery sucks.
« Reply #65 on: October 19, 2017, 11:04:45 pm »
so I watched episodes 4 and 5 despite my better judgment.  The good news is the show gets better, the bad news is it doesn't undo the canon-breaking first three episodes and the show and Star Trek in general, will have to deal with that crap from now on.  You know those weird magic marker black Klingon designs?  Gone.  And with each episode they are starting to look more and more like the classic design.  Oh and that b.s. about that one Klingon being white and how white Klingons are shunned even though we've seen TONS of white Klingons over the years?  Yeah well every Klingon thus far has also been white. 

Anyway....

Episodes 4 and 5 revolve around the b.s. pseudo-science mysticism that is the "spore drive" as the main story, but the b-story is about the morality of war and some interpersonal relationships, which, as we know, are the bread and butter of Star Trek.  The bad news is the main story is still crap, but the b-stories are getting there.  There's still some weirdness going on, like that very odd roommate of Michael's, but it's at least good enough to watch to see if it gets better.  There's a gay couple, which is great, but probably about 8 years too late to be relevant.  Orville is still stellar. 

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Re: So thus far Star Trek Discovery sucks.
« Reply #66 on: October 30, 2017, 04:57:27 pm »
Good job, Star Trek Discovery, you managed to end Kevin Spacey's career, too.


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Re: So thus far Star Trek Discovery sucks.
« Reply #67 on: October 31, 2017, 10:21:45 pm »
Pretty sure Kevin Spacey ended his career.  I have no sympathy for a guy that tried to molest a 14 year old boy. 

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Re: So thus far Star Trek Discovery sucks.
« Reply #68 on: November 01, 2017, 11:12:46 am »
yeah, ownership certainly isn't on the actor who made the complaint.  We don't know the entire story so I wasn't ready to crucify Spacey but then his twitter apology showed him to be one heck of a --cream-filled twinkie--.  He's played a politician for so long that he's tried the re-direct apology in real life.  Didn't work Kevin...

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Re: So thus far Star Trek Discovery sucks.
« Reply #69 on: November 01, 2017, 11:39:47 am »
Good job, Star Trek Discovery, you managed to end Kevin Spacey's career, too.

I guess you can say this turned into a chit show.

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« Reply #70 on: November 01, 2017, 12:25:05 pm »
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Re: So thus far Star Trek Discovery sucks.
« Reply #71 on: November 01, 2017, 08:15:24 pm »
Came here to say The Orville episode 7 was friggin' brilliant.


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Re: So thus far Star Trek Discovery sucks.
« Reply #72 on: November 01, 2017, 08:28:21 pm »
IT was a very TNG "HERE IS THE LESSON!!!  PAY ATTENTION AND LEARN THE LESSON!!!" sort of episode.  Not that it's a bad thing. 

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Re: So thus far Star Trek Discovery sucks.
« Reply #73 on: November 01, 2017, 09:06:19 pm »
Is The Orville actually a serious show?


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Re: So thus far Star Trek Discovery sucks.
« Reply #74 on: November 01, 2017, 09:18:14 pm »
Came here to say The Orville episode 7 was friggin' brilliant.

It was really good.  It reminded me of an episode of Black Mirror.

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Re: So thus far Star Trek Discovery sucks.
« Reply #75 on: November 01, 2017, 11:27:38 pm »
Is The Orville actually a serious show?

Yup... with some random jokes thrown in. 

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« Reply #76 on: November 02, 2017, 07:41:33 am »
Is The Orville actually a serious show?
More serious than expected, but still goofy enough that it isn't expected to have every little detail conform to details of a past episode or established universe.  In an earlier episode they had a device which made them appear as a different race of alien.  In the latest episode, they resorted to a big hat and nose bandage.  I wasn't bothered because it's not a serious show anyway.

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Re: So thus far Star Trek Discovery sucks.
« Reply #77 on: November 02, 2017, 09:02:35 am »
Everything is so serious these days. I like to watch stuff like the Orville.

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« Reply #78 on: November 02, 2017, 09:26:07 am »
More serious than expected, but still goofy enough that it isn't expected to have every little detail conform to details of a past episode or established universe.

I think this is why I'm enjoying the show so much.  You can just watch it and not worry about canon or continuity because clearly the writers are not trying to build a consistent world.  It is just a fun show.

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Re: So thus far Star Trek Discovery sucks.
« Reply #79 on: November 02, 2017, 05:01:32 pm »
It's like if my office was on a space ship but with no HR to be reported to for swearing.

  
 

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