So thus far Star Trek Discovery sucks.

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lilshawn:
exactly. at this point in time, they may has well created a completely new franchise. Trying to shoehorn this into a world that has already been established is just going to wreck it.

I'm reading comments elsewhere that say pretty much the same thing. still waiting for the youtube autists to post videos explaining how this new show fits completely and perfectly well into the Trek universe and explain away all the shortcomings as "X rule hasn't been established yet, so here it okay.".

yotsuya:
Rogue One was a great example of how to do it right. All though the SW prequels we get Jedi doing ninja flips at hyper speed, but at the end, when Vader is cutting a swath of fury through the corridors of the rebel ship, he moves exactly as you would expect him to based on what we know about him. It's a perfect ending that fits the existing notion of that universe.

shponglefan:

--- Quote from: opt2not on September 26, 2017, 02:19:21 pm ---You are missing the point. The timeline of technology doesn't make sense in the canon of the Star Trek Universe. And it does matter to people who have been following these shows since they're supposed to link up to it's "chrono-logistics", otherwise it pulls you out of the universe they've built and distracts you from what's happen at that time. For me it distracted the whole pep-talk dialogue that Sarek was giving.
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Oh, I get it believe me. I just can let things like that slide for reasons I'll get into below.

--- Quote ---Yes, sure...but it was consistent! By introducing more advanced technology in a time period that is supposed to be the past doesn't make sense in the show's universe!

The core basis of sci-fi is to build a fantasy that follows along a created set of "rules" and "themes". Good sci-fi sticks to these rules and are able to create a believable universe for stories to be told in. But this show has broken their rules already, which is what we're all talking about here. If you don't keep the integrity of the universe you create, you end up losing the audience because they don't know where the boundaries are for that show's "reality".
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I have two lines of thought on this:

The first is that invariably Star Trek series are a product of their time. Everything from the production and special effects, to the writing is a consequence of the period in which these shows are created. I did a complete TNG re-watch last year and was amazed at how dated it feels now. Particularly what we know of modern technology and society and how certain aspects of the show feel less modern and more like they just transplanted the 80's into the 24th century.

So I fully expect each new ST series to be reflective of the current age in which it is developed. And this can include things like updating special effects, particularly to include things to appeal to modern audiences.

The second is that prior Star Treks are not entirely consistent in how they depict technology. The reason I pick on TNG and the Holodeck in particular is because it is inconsistent in how its depicted over the seasons. For example, in the very first episode they make a big show of demonstrating the physical boundaries of the Holodeck. In later episodes, that's completely forgotten. Likewise, they don't show any consistency in how matter created on the Holodeck is depicted either when it comes to being removed from the Holodeck. Yes this is nitpicking, but if we are going to nitpick about how things are supposed to work within the 'rules' of what is being depicted, then there are plenty of violations of that pre-Discovery.

But generally I'm content to ignore such things lest it otherwise ruin the experience. People who get overly hyped up over the way something is depicted in a TV show need to just remind themselves that it's completely fictional to begin with.

shponglefan:

--- Quote from: Howard_Casto on September 27, 2017, 02:35:08 am ---All you have to do is follow the TNG formula, only with a new crew and new adventures.
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I'd rather have them rehash DS9's formula than TNG. TNG's plot-of-the-week storytelling was too primitive and problematic. Give me continuity please.

pbj:

--- Quote from: yotsuya on September 27, 2017, 11:20:22 am ---Rogue One was a great example of how to do it right.

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Really? That movie was freaking terrible. I agree that the end with Vader was cool, though.

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