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lilshawn:
yes.... holograms... let's talk about that for a second.

for a series whose timeline is set BEFORE Captain Kirk and the original Star Trek series.... why do we have infinitely more advanced technology?

put this series way after so that talking to communication holograms fits in and seems to flow with the rest of the series or make it "period correct"

I get they need to make it appeal to the people watching, but... all they are doing is pushing away the old crowd and trying to appeal the show to the new "hip crowd".

opt2not:

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--- Quote from: opt2not on September 25, 2017, 06:47:35 pm ---But it's "Star Wars Hologram ++"! Where the person in the message is interacting with physical elements of the receiver. There's a shot where Sarek, surrogate father to the First Officer is in a conversation through the hologram communication and walks over and leans on a table in the room! This was too far IMO.

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Ridiculous holographic technology is a staple of ST. Look at all the nonsensical crap they pulled with the holodeck on TNG...

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You are missing the point. The timeline of technology doesn't make sense in the canon of the Star Trek Universe. And it does matter to people who have been following these shows since they're supposed to link up to it's "chrono-logistics", otherwise it pulls you out of the universe they've built and distracts you from what's happen at that time. For me it distracted the whole pep-talk dialogue that Sarek was giving.

--- Quote from: shponglefan on September 26, 2017, 12:05:32 pm ---I'm not talking about the context of the technology within the show itself. I'm talking about the illogic of the technology as depicted. Depictions of the Holodeck are just as guilty of cartoon logic as someone leaning on a desk during a holographic communication.

If people are going to start nitpicking technology on these shows, they are a long time guilty of stuff that just makes no sense.

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Yes, sure...but it was consistent! By introducing more advanced technology in a time period that is supposed to be the past doesn't make sense in the show's universe!

The core basis of sci-fi is to build a fantasy that follows along a created set of "rules" and "themes". Good sci-fi sticks to these rules and are able to create a believable universe for stories to be told in. But this show has broken their rules already, which is what we're all talking about here. If you don't keep the integrity of the universe you create, you end up losing the audience because they don't know where the boundaries are for that show's "reality".

Would you like it if Star Wars started using transport technology?

opt2not:

--- Quote from: pbj on September 26, 2017, 09:57:51 am ---I watched the first episode of Enterprise. It seemed decent. I also recall that the powers that be tried really, really, really hard to push Jolene Blalock on us as the new it girl.

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How could you tell? It's not like there was a gratuitous lotion rubbing scene in the first episode or anything... :o

DrakeTungsten:

--- Quote from: Howard_Casto on September 25, 2017, 07:42:08 pm ---Yeah and that really bothered me. The only way that'd make sense is if there was an identical table in the same exact place over on Vulcan or wherever he's at. It's like the people writing the show don't even know how holograms work.

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This was in the new show? I never watched any of the post-60s shows, and one of the reasons is the the first scene I caught of one of them was just such a stupid misunderstanding of holograms. Someone later tried to explain to me something about "hard light", but it was likely as not a post-hoc cover-up of a monumental blunder.

--- Quote from: opt2not --- By introducing more advanced technology in a time period that is supposed to be the past doesn't make sense in the show's universe!

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A wizard did it.

Or hypertime.

Or Kirk was old-fashioned and eschewed the use of holograms even though the tech was available to him.

Does anybody who hasn't studied volumes of ST reference manuals know when hologram tech was introduced?

dkersten:
I have to agree that given how many times the other series have pushed the viewers well out of the envelope of "suspense of disbelief", that picking on it in this iteration is somewhat hypocritical. Good sci-fi will indeed explain away seemingly impossible things with pseudo science and a good back story and keep your disbelief suspended, but when was the last time you found "good sci-fi" on TV?

That being said, I can understand extreme fans of a universe not liking when established canon is broken.

The good news is, there is a better "star trek like" show out there to keep you entertained. Hell, I haven't watched either and I am entertained by all the memes out there making fun of the new series...

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