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Arcade Legends 1 conversion questions
« on: September 03, 2017, 08:20:35 pm »
I recently acquired a non-working Arcade Legends 1 arcade machine. The computer in it will currently not boot up. I am wondering if I can swap in a Raspberry Pi running Retro Pi into the cabinet? What would I need in order to make this happen? To get the Arcade Legends running again, I believe I need the Software Recovery CD installed again but I do not have it. These seem impossible to find. Anyone have one I could borrow or buy?
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Re: Possible to convert Arcade Legends 1 to run Retro Pi ?
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2017, 11:47:49 pm »
I would fix the computer. In no case should you replace it with a Pi, you will have gone from having a 100 percent legit multigame with real monetary value to a bootleg frameskipping turd. Probably just needs what most old computers need which is either a new power supply or a new CMOS battery.
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Re: Possible to convert Arcade Legends 1 to run Retro Pi ?
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2017, 09:18:09 am »
I would fix the computer. In no case should you replace it with a Pi, you will have gone from having a 100 percent legit multigame with real monetary value to a bootleg frameskipping turd. Probably just needs what most old computers need which is either a new power supply or a new CMOS battery.

I agree in the fact that it is a spimple fix and I would go that route. But you need to stop downing the rpi every chance you get. It does some things well. It doesn't do everything well. I use it to emulate a single system that it does well. Can it play every n64 game? No. Can it switch resolutions on the fly? Yes, but not every district implemented it yet. It's a work in progress, but it does fit some people's needs.

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Re: Possible to convert Arcade Legends 1 to run Retro Pi ?
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2017, 10:57:51 am »
Edited the topic title to not only be about converting to Pi or MAME.

Is there a way to test the power supply? I assumed the problem was that I needed to install the recovery software CD which of course I don't have. I have searched for days online and these CDs are no where to be found. Bummer. Anyone have an Arcade Legends 1 software recovery CD that I could buy or just borrow and send back?
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« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2017, 12:56:20 pm »
I tested the Power supply with my multimeter and everything was at the correct voltage. But still nothing is displayed on my monitor (in the game or with my computer monitor). I still think I just need to insert the CD and see what happens. Seems impossible to locate though.

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« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2017, 01:33:22 pm »
you get nothing on the screen? Not even able to get into bios?

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« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2017, 02:08:56 pm »
I would fix the computer. In no case should you replace it with a Pi, you will have gone from having a 100 percent legit multigame with real monetary value to a bootleg frameskipping turd. Probably just needs what most old computers need which is either a new power supply or a new CMOS battery.

I agree in the fact that it is a spimple fix and I would go that route. But you need to stop downing the rpi every chance you get. It does some things well. It doesn't do everything well. I use it to emulate a single system that it does well. Can it play every n64 game? No. Can it switch resolutions on the fly? Yes, but not every district implemented it yet. It's a work in progress, but it does fit some people's needs.

Nope, the pi is another example of the "much worse but easier" trend that has been ruining our hobby for years. People used to build the crap out of some amazing Mame cabinets. Then those 60 in 1 (or X in 1) boards came around and took over a huge portion of the build your own market even though they are just terrible. Bartops began to take off and, bam once again, the real hobby got smaller because it is easier to bash together a little kit then it is to actually use a saw for an hour or two. Now the pi comes along, and quickly takes over the majority of what is left of the community, despite the fact that it is aggressively worse than any PC. They have better software than the x in 1 boards, but the X in 1 boards are way more reliable so I would count them as equal to the pi.

Pi is great for consoles due to more optimized emulators for those consoles, and it runs some individual mame games perfectly, but it should never be the go-to or number one thing you recommend. What I particularly dislike is all the people selling these Pi based systems that are going to eventually corrupt their storage and when it happens they will have no idea how to fix it and the community will have moved onto something else that is probably even worse but easier.
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Re: Arcade Legends 1 conversion questions
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2017, 02:49:58 pm »
you get nothing on the screen? Not even able to get into bios?

That is correct! Any ideas?

I took a picture of the inside of the computer. Noticed this amber colored light is lit solid. Not sure if that means anything.

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« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2017, 03:31:50 pm »
Use a multimeter and test the computer psu. That is step 1. I'm sure there are guides on YouTube if you search. My mvs was having weird issues with resetting and such. Replacing the psu cost me like 15$ and it resolved my issues. If it's not the psu, we can try next step ideas.

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« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2017, 03:41:58 pm »
Use a multimeter and test the computer psu. That is step 1. I'm sure there are guides on YouTube if you search. My mvs was having weird issues with resetting and such. Replacing the psu cost me like 15$ and it resolved my issues. If it's not the psu, we can try next step ideas.

I did test the power supply with a multimeter and everything checked out good. Thanks for any advice on what to try next.

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Re: Arcade Legends 1 conversion questions
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2017, 04:14:23 pm »
Use a multimeter and test the computer psu. That is step 1. I'm sure there are guides on YouTube if you search. My mvs was having weird issues with resetting and such. Replacing the psu cost me like 15$ and it resolved my issues. If it's not the psu, we can try next step ideas.

I did test the power supply with a multimeter and everything checked out good. Thanks for any advice on what to try next.

Try reseating the ram? Sometimes that can cause no boot.

Does it have a CMOS battery?

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Re: Possible to convert Arcade Legends 1 to run Retro Pi ?
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2017, 04:18:21 pm »
I would fix the computer. In no case should you replace it with a Pi, you will have gone from having a 100 percent legit multigame with real monetary value to a bootleg frameskipping turd. Probably just needs what most old computers need which is either a new power supply or a new CMOS battery.

This.  Get a old desktop PC in there and hook it up.  Download the the complete mame set off the internet.  Sounds like a cap has died on the mainboard.
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« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2017, 04:20:33 pm »
That is an off the shelf PC running onboard graphics.

Here is the troubleshooting guide.

http://www.chicago-gaming.com/docs/al_sp.pdf

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Re: Possible to convert Arcade Legends 1 to run Retro Pi ?
« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2017, 04:27:59 pm »
I would fix the computer. In no case should you replace it with a Pi, you will have gone from having a 100 percent legit multigame with real monetary value to a bootleg frameskipping turd. Probably just needs what most old computers need which is either a new power supply or a new CMOS battery.

Thanks for all the help so far, guys. I have replaced the battery, tested the power supply, and reseated the Ram but still nothing is displayed on the monitor. Not sure where to go from here.

This.  Get a old desktop PC in there and hook it up.  Download the the complete mame set off the internet.  Sounds like a cap has died on the mainboard.

So you are saying that I could get an old PC, load the MAME games on there, and use all of the same hookups that are in the Arcade Legends now? And that would work, just using all of the same boards and all?

I was also told that the old software CD will do me no good since it will ask for a code that no longer exists. This thing is a pain! You can buy a new hard drive for the Arcade Legends on ebay that comes with more games. I wonder if I just replaced the hard drive if that would do me any good? It's like $150 though.
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« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2017, 04:36:50 pm »
I would fix the computer. In no case should you replace it with a Pi, you will have gone from having a 100 percent legit multigame with real monetary value to a bootleg frameskipping turd. Probably just needs what most old computers need which is either a new power supply or a new CMOS battery.

I agree in the fact that it is a spimple fix and I would go that route. But you need to stop downing the rpi every chance you get. It does some things well. It doesn't do everything well. I use it to emulate a single system that it does well. Can it play every n64 game? No. Can it switch resolutions on the fly? Yes, but not every district implemented it yet. It's a work in progress, but it does fit some people's needs.

Nope, the pi is another example of the "much worse but easier" trend that has been ruining our hobby for years. People used to build the crap out of some amazing Mame cabinets. Then those 60 in 1 (or X in 1) boards came around and took over a huge portion of the build your own market even though they are just terrible. Bartops began to take off and, bam once again, the real hobby got smaller because it is easier to bash together a little kit then it is to actually use a saw for an hour or two. Now the pi comes along, and quickly takes over the majority of what is left of the community, despite the fact that it is aggressively worse than any PC. They have better software than the x in 1 boards, but the X in 1 boards are way more reliable so I would count them as equal to the pi.

Pi is great for consoles due to more optimized emulators for those consoles, and it runs some individual mame games perfectly, but it should never be the go-to or number one thing you recommend. What I particularly dislike is all the people selling these Pi based systems that are going to eventually corrupt their storage and when it happens they will have no idea how to fix it and the community will have moved onto something else that is probably even worse but easier.

I think the Pi is great for small bartops with limited space, and for those who want console games. It's not perfect but for the average person it will play any 2D arcade game fine. However I would definitely get something more powerful for a larger cabinet.

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« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2017, 05:03:54 pm »
I would fix the computer. In no case should you replace it with a Pi, you will have gone from having a 100 percent legit multigame with real monetary value to a bootleg frameskipping turd. Probably just needs what most old computers need which is either a new power supply or a new CMOS battery.

Thanks for all the help so far, guys. I have replaced the battery, tested the power supply, and reseated the Ram but still nothing is displayed on the monitor. Not sure where to go from here.

This.  Get a old desktop PC in there and hook it up.  Download the the complete mame set off the internet.  Sounds like a cap has died on the mainboard.

So you are saying that I could get an old PC, load the MAME games on there, and use all of the same hookups that are in the Arcade Legends now? And that would work, just using all of the same boards and all?

I was also told that the old software CD will do me no good since it will ask for a code that no longer exists. This thing is a pain! You can buy a new hard drive for the Arcade Legends on ebay that comes with more games. I wonder if I just replaced the hard drive if that would do me any good? It's like $150 though.

i've read on other forums some of the original games aren't even available because after because some licenses expired and the roms no longer offered.
Whatever that means.

doc's say it's a p3 in there. take out the HD and put it in another old PC.
Ideally another P3 with the same chip-set, see what it does.
If it's XP it will probably bluescreen.
So boot up in safe mode and go into control panel and unistall all the drivers.
reboot and you should get to a desktop.
maybe. :)

Otherwise, go with whatever hardware you got laying around.

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« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2017, 05:46:17 pm »
OK fixing the computer that is currently in the Arcade Legends is feeling like a lost cause. It could be so many different things wrong with it. The mother board, the ram, the hard drive, etc. The ram is impossible to find as well as any software CD. There is a guy who works on these computers but it would cost an arm and a leg to ship it to and fro.

I would love to be able to just drop an old PC in the there running MAME, NES and SNES games. That's really all I care to play. What would be required to do this? I don't imagine it would be as easy as just hooking up the new PC how the old one was in the Arcade Legends, right?

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« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2017, 05:57:34 pm »
OK fixing the computer that is currently in the Arcade Legends is feeling like a lost cause. It could be so many different things wrong with it. The mother board, the ram, the hard drive, etc. The ram is impossible to find as well as any software CD. There is a guy who works on these computers but it would cost an arm and a leg to ship it to and fro.

I would love to be able to just drop an old PC in the there running MAME, NES and SNES games. That's really all I care to play. What would be required to do this? I don't imagine it would be as easy as just hooking up the new PC how the old one was in the Arcade Legends, right?

Can't see why a new PC wouldn't work. Get a used Core 2 Duo or Quad PC on Craigslist for $40-$50 and give it a shot. I wouldn't bother fixing an old Pentium 3 PC.

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« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2017, 06:42:50 pm »
OK fixing the computer that is currently in the Arcade Legends is feeling like a lost cause. It could be so many different things wrong with it. The mother board, the ram, the hard drive, etc. The ram is impossible to find as well as any software CD.

UmmÖ. No. The manufacture literally sells the parts , and lists the models. You could get replacement parts on eBay for damn cheap. The ram is $8 new on eBay.

http://www.chicago-gaming.com/parts.php?pid=14

As far as the software, Im not sure where to get a replacement. Your hard disk is probably good though because you should at least have bios. I would clone the disk when all is working just as a backup.

Tips;
http://www.chicago-gaming.com/docs/al_sp.pdf

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« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2017, 06:55:37 pm »
I would fix the computer. In no case should you replace it with a Pi, you will have gone from having a 100 percent legit multigame with real monetary value to a bootleg frameskipping turd. Probably just needs what most old computers need which is either a new power supply or a new CMOS battery.

Thanks for all the help so far, guys. I have replaced the battery, tested the power supply, and reseated the Ram but still nothing is displayed on the monitor. Not sure where to go from here.

This.  Get a old desktop PC in there and hook it up.  Download the the complete mame set off the internet.  Sounds like a cap has died on the mainboard.

So you are saying that I could get an old PC, load the MAME games on there, and use all of the same hookups that are in the Arcade Legends now? And that would work, just using all of the same boards and all?

I was also told that the old software CD will do me no good since it will ask for a code that no longer exists. This thing is a pain! You can buy a new hard drive for the Arcade Legends on ebay that comes with more games. I wonder if I just replaced the hard drive if that would do me any good? It's like $150 though.

Yes Just swap the PC out and keep your games CD as a drinks coaster.  Have fun loading that sucker up with all kinds of games.  :cheers:
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« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2017, 10:06:55 pm »
I would fix the computer. In no case should you replace it with a Pi, you will have gone from having a 100 percent legit multigame with real monetary value to a bootleg frameskipping turd. Probably just needs what most old computers need which is either a new power supply or a new CMOS battery.

I agree in the fact that it is a spimple fix and I would go that route. But you need to stop downing the rpi every chance you get. It does some things well. It doesn't do everything well. I use it to emulate a single system that it does well. Can it play every n64 game? No. Can it switch resolutions on the fly? Yes, but not every district implemented it yet. It's a work in progress, but it does fit some people's needs.

Nope, the pi is another example of the "much worse but easier" trend that has been ruining our hobby for years. People used to build the crap out of some amazing Mame cabinets. Then those 60 in 1 (or X in 1) boards came around and took over a huge portion of the build your own market even though they are just terrible. Bartops began to take off and, bam once again, the real hobby got smaller because it is easier to bash together a little kit then it is to actually use a saw for an hour or two. Now the pi comes along, and quickly takes over the majority of what is left of the community, despite the fact that it is aggressively worse than any PC. They have better software than the x in 1 boards, but the X in 1 boards are way more reliable so I would count them as equal to the pi.

Pi is great for consoles due to more optimized emulators for those consoles, and it runs some individual mame games perfectly, but it should never be the go-to or number one thing you recommend. What I particularly dislike is all the people selling these Pi based systems that are going to eventually corrupt their storage and when it happens they will have no idea how to fix it and the community will have moved onto something else that is probably even worse but easier.

SD cards will not corrupt if your not writing to disk. This can be avoiding by read only or shutting down the pi properly. My pi is reliable. Your saying ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- that benchmarks say isn't true, as well as general experience. I feel like I'm arguing with a 4 year old that insists a Toyota pickup was a diesel, when I know they don't even make diesel pickups for USA.

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« Reply #21 on: September 04, 2017, 10:39:28 pm »
I would fix the computer. In no case should you replace it with a Pi, you will have gone from having a 100 percent legit multigame with real monetary value to a bootleg frameskipping turd. Probably just needs what most old computers need which is either a new power supply or a new CMOS battery.

I agree in the fact that it is a spimple fix and I would go that route. But you need to stop downing the rpi every chance you get. It does some things well. It doesn't do everything well. I use it to emulate a single system that it does well. Can it play every n64 game? No. Can it switch resolutions on the fly? Yes, but not every district implemented it yet. It's a work in progress, but it does fit some people's needs.

Nope, the pi is another example of the "much worse but easier" trend that has been ruining our hobby for years. People used to build the crap out of some amazing Mame cabinets. Then those 60 in 1 (or X in 1) boards came around and took over a huge portion of the build your own market even though they are just terrible. Bartops began to take off and, bam once again, the real hobby got smaller because it is easier to bash together a little kit then it is to actually use a saw for an hour or two. Now the pi comes along, and quickly takes over the majority of what is left of the community, despite the fact that it is aggressively worse than any PC. They have better software than the x in 1 boards, but the X in 1 boards are way more reliable so I would count them as equal to the pi.

Pi is great for consoles due to more optimized emulators for those consoles, and it runs some individual mame games perfectly, but it should never be the go-to or number one thing you recommend. What I particularly dislike is all the people selling these Pi based systems that are going to eventually corrupt their storage and when it happens they will have no idea how to fix it and the community will have moved onto something else that is probably even worse but easier.

SD cards will not corrupt if your not writing to disk. This can be avoiding by read only or shutting down the pi properly. My pi is reliable. Your saying ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- that benchmarks say isn't true, as well as general experience. I feel like I'm arguing with a 4 year old that insists a Toyota pickup was a diesel, when I know they don't even make diesel pickups for USA.

Last I checked the guys working on pi mame had "accidentally" broken the feature that lets you see the framerate and if it is skipping or not. Is that working now?
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« Reply #22 on: September 04, 2017, 10:45:37 pm »
Saw your benchmarks Keith, I have to say the 3 is much improved. The B and 2 are a joke though. This will slightly alter my position going forward.
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« Reply #23 on: September 05, 2017, 04:52:04 am »
I would fix the computer. In no case should you replace it with a Pi, you will have gone from having a 100 percent legit multigame with real monetary value to a bootleg frameskipping turd. Probably just needs what most old computers need which is either a new power supply or a new CMOS battery.

I agree in the fact that it is a spimple fix and I would go that route. But you need to stop downing the rpi every chance you get. It does some things well. It doesn't do everything well. I use it to emulate a single system that it does well. Can it play every n64 game? No. Can it switch resolutions on the fly? Yes, but not every district implemented it yet. It's a work in progress, but it does fit some people's needs.

Nope, the pi is another example of the "much worse but easier" trend that has been ruining our hobby for years. People used to build the crap out of some amazing Mame cabinets. Then those 60 in 1 (or X in 1) boards came around and took over a huge portion of the build your own market even though they are just terrible. Bartops began to take off and, bam once again, the real hobby got smaller because it is easier to bash together a little kit then it is to actually use a saw for an hour or two. Now the pi comes along, and quickly takes over the majority of what is left of the community, despite the fact that it is aggressively worse than any PC. They have better software than the x in 1 boards, but the X in 1 boards are way more reliable so I would count them as equal to the pi.

Pi is great for consoles due to more optimized emulators for those consoles, and it runs some individual mame games perfectly, but it should never be the go-to or number one thing you recommend. What I particularly dislike is all the people selling these Pi based systems that are going to eventually corrupt their storage and when it happens they will have no idea how to fix it and the community will have moved onto something else that is probably even worse but easier.

SD cards will not corrupt if your not writing to disk. This can be avoiding by read only or shutting down the pi properly. My pi is reliable. Your saying ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- that benchmarks say isn't true, as well as general experience. I feel like I'm arguing with a 4 year old that insists a Toyota pickup was a diesel, when I know they don't even make diesel pickups for USA.

You can buy a diesel engine and put it in a Toyota, but something tells me would would argue some other topic with a 4 year old. 

The pi is unreliable and can have a FS error on boot if you even look at it funny.  That is why I BACKUP! BACKUP! BACKUP! place all your valuable ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- on a USB drive (or just have it on a SMB server on your network) and leave the sdcard to start up and enable USB booting.  That way you can go through your crap 2gb sdcards without the headache of transferring everything like you would do with a 64gb card.      /rant
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Re: Possible to convert Arcade Legends 1 to run Retro Pi ?
« Reply #24 on: September 05, 2017, 05:51:48 am »
The pi is unreliable and can have a FS error on boot if you even look at it funny.
Speaking as someone who uses RPis for real work (not just hobbies or toys), I have no idea what you're talking about.

If you're getting file system errors all the time, you're doing it wrong.  The Pi isn't the problem here.

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« Reply #25 on: September 05, 2017, 12:12:13 pm »
OK the plan for this evening is to go buy an old PC to hook up to the Arcade Legends to see if it will display on the monitor. I will just hook up the new PC via VGA connector to the USBlinx board, turn it on and cross my fingers. If the Arcade Legends monitor boots to desktop I will be pretty pumped and start loading up the Roms on the PC. Hopefully the controls on the Arcade Legends will work when I hook it up? Am I missing anything? Thanks again everyone for the help and suggestions on this.

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« Reply #26 on: September 05, 2017, 12:44:38 pm »
OK the plan for this evening is to go buy an old PC to hook up to the Arcade Legends to see if it will display on the monitor. I will just hook up the new PC via VGA connector to the USBlinx board, turn it on and cross my fingers. If the Arcade Legends monitor boots to desktop I will be pretty pumped and start loading up the Roms on the PC. Hopefully the controls on the Arcade Legends will work when I hook it up? Am I missing anything? Thanks again everyone for the help and suggestions on this.

In the repair guide i posted it mentions the controls are plugged into the ps2 port of the PC so it sounds like it uses a standard keyboard encoder.
you will still probably have to configure the controls.
if you get it working fire up notepad then move the controllers and pres the buttons to see what "keys" are being sent to the system.

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« Reply #27 on: September 05, 2017, 01:03:33 pm »
On the Arcade Legends computer, there is nothing plugged into the ps2 keyboard port. Just a connector plugged into the mouse port. There are 2 USBs ports, maybe that is what is controlling the control panel? Not sure.

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Re: Arcade Legends 1 conversion questions
« Reply #28 on: September 05, 2017, 01:19:50 pm »
Where does the cable plugged into the mouse socket go?, The manual said that Mouse is not used at all.

 If the controller comes off of USB and isnt a standard HID USB device then you are almost guaranteed to be going to need some drivers.  You might get lucky though.  Looking at the spare parts it shows the usb interface (USBLINX) as having jamma on the other side.

So you could throw in a new PC and roll your own jamma connector to interface with the controls.  Not gonna be a simple task though. I would try and get the original board back up and running personally. I say this because even if you roll your own jamma how are you getting the VGA to the monitor, It looks like that is all handled by the interface board. so you would need a Jpac or similar really.  Actually a Jpac would be your best bet for a replacement PC because it replaces the USBLinx entirely.
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« Reply #29 on: September 05, 2017, 01:21:17 pm »
That could be your problem.
that mouse port is not to be used.

Only the keyboard port. that connects everything but the trackball.
Trackball is using usb port.

it may not be booting because you have the keyboard plugged into the mouse port.

I think you really should take a look at the troubleshooting guide i posted it isn't that technical and provides some step by step instructions.

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« Reply #30 on: September 05, 2017, 01:23:34 pm »
Just as I edited my post Nitrogen_widget put it more eloquently for me :)

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« Reply #31 on: September 05, 2017, 01:32:38 pm »
That could be your problem.
that mouse port is not to be used.

Only the keyboard port. that connects everything but the trackball.
Trackball is using usb port.

it may not be booting because you have the keyboard plugged into the mouse port.

I think you really should take a look at the troubleshooting guide i posted it isn't that technical and provides some step by step instructions.

OK, I will swap it out. But it is not booting when I hook up the ps2 keyboard (to the correct port) and my other monitor either so I don't think that is the problem.

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« Reply #32 on: September 05, 2017, 02:35:24 pm »

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« Reply #33 on: September 05, 2017, 02:39:44 pm »
Thanks, I've contacted him. Seems like a nice guy but it would cost me a ton of money just to ship it to him. Then I would have to pay for repair and to ship it back. Would just not make financial sense in the end. This is why I would like to convert it to run MAME, NES, SNES, etc. with an old PC.

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« Reply #34 on: September 05, 2017, 02:42:11 pm »
In which case pull everything that is in there (But do not throw it out so when you sell it it can be restored) Put in a Dual/Quad core PC and a Jpac connect everything up and off you go.

Actually you may be able to get away with the current board.  I found some online documentation on it here

http://service.globalvr.com/downloads/ultracade/components/040-USBLNXM-UCT_USBlinx_User_Doc_v02H.pdf

It says that it uses standard windows compatible devices so you should be able to just use it with the new PC. 
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« Reply #35 on: September 05, 2017, 04:49:39 pm »
Just as I edited my post Nitrogen_widget put it more eloquently for me :)

We posted the same solution at the same time. :)

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« Reply #36 on: September 05, 2017, 05:10:01 pm »
In which case pull everything that is in there (But do not throw it out so when you sell it it can be restored) Put in a Dual/Quad core PC and a Jpac connect everything up and off you go.

Actually you may be able to get away with the current board.  I found some online documentation on it here

http://service.globalvr.com/downloads/ultracade/components/040-USBLNXM-UCT_USBlinx_User_Doc_v02H.pdf

It says that it uses standard windows compatible devices so you should be able to just use it with the new PC.

Looking for PC's on craigslist I found this one that is
HP 4000 Pro SFF.
160gb HDD
4GB RAM
Core2 e7500 2.93 GHz
Windows 10 Pro

Think that could run most MAME, NES, SNES, N64 games? My knowledge of computers is basically zero. Thanks.

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« Reply #37 on: September 05, 2017, 07:25:53 pm »
A core2 with 4GB running win 10?
must of been one of those ninja updates. the poor bastard.

don't pay more than $50 because you will need at least another 2gb of ram.

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« Reply #38 on: September 06, 2017, 12:58:10 am »
Have you done the simplest thing to the original computer yet which is to replace the cmos battery?

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« Reply #39 on: September 06, 2017, 04:09:50 am »
On the Arcade Legends computer, there is nothing plugged into the ps2 keyboard port. Just a connector plugged into the mouse port. There are 2 USBs ports, maybe that is what is controlling the control panel? Not sure.

Heres the guide for USBlinx, and it describes how to hook it up: http://service.globalvr.com/downloads/ultracade/components/040-USBLNXM-UCT_USBlinx_User_Doc_v02H.pdf

Documentation says not to use PS/2 when using usb. You have both connected.

Your jumping the gun buying new stuff. Just read the documentation and troubleshoot what you have. Its probably something simple.

Have you done the simplest thing to the original computer yet which is to replace the cmos battery?

^^^^ What he said. Itís a $4 purchase.
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« Reply #40 on: September 06, 2017, 09:53:44 am »
Have you done the simplest thing to the original computer yet which is to replace the cmos battery?

Yes, as I mentioned I have replaced the battery, and tested the power supply. Both are good. But it will not boot up in the Arcade Legends cab, or on my work table with monitor and ps2 keyboard hooked up to it. Can't even get into BIOS. A new hard drive is $150 and I don't even know if that is the issue. Could be the ram, the motherboard, etc. I just feel like at this point I should just spend the money on an old PC and a J-Pac i(f the J-Pac is even needed).

The plan at this point is to replace the AL computer with a new (old) PC and upload games to it and use the same control panel, cab, and monitor currently used for the AL. To do this I will buy a PC, hook it up in the same way the Arcade Legends computer is hooked up, power it on and hope for the best. If it doesn't work, I will probably need a J-Pac board and then I should be good to go, correct? Thanks again for all of the help, fellas! 

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« Reply #41 on: September 06, 2017, 11:32:26 am »
Have you done the simplest thing to the original computer yet which is to replace the cmos battery?

Yes, as I mentioned I have replaced the battery, and tested the power supply. Both are good. But it will not boot up in the Arcade Legends cab, or on my work table with monitor and ps2 keyboard hooked up to it. Can't even get into BIOS. A new hard drive is $150 and I don't even know if that is the issue. Could be the ram, the motherboard, etc. I just feel like at this point I should just spend the money on an old PC and a J-Pac i(f the J-Pac is even needed).

The plan at this point is to replace the AL computer with a new (old) PC and upload games to it and use the same control panel, cab, and monitor currently used for the AL. To do this I will buy a PC, hook it up in the same way the Arcade Legends computer is hooked up, power it on and hope for the best. If it doesn't work, I will probably need a J-Pac board and then I should be good to go, correct? Thanks again for all of the help, fellas!

did you try unplugging the power and holding in the power button for 20 secs to drain any power from the motherboard then hook it back up to see if it posts.

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« Reply #42 on: September 06, 2017, 11:55:30 am »
Have you done the simplest thing to the original computer yet which is to replace the cmos battery?

Yes, as I mentioned I have replaced the battery, and tested the power supply. Both are good. But it will not boot up in the Arcade Legends cab, or on my work table with monitor and ps2 keyboard hooked up to it. Can't even get into BIOS. A new hard drive is $150 and I don't even know if that is the issue. Could be the ram, the motherboard, etc. I just feel like at this point I should just spend the money on an old PC and a J-Pac i(f the J-Pac is even needed).

The plan at this point is to replace the AL computer with a new (old) PC and upload games to it and use the same control panel, cab, and monitor currently used for the AL. To do this I will buy a PC, hook it up in the same way the Arcade Legends computer is hooked up, power it on and hope for the best. If it doesn't work, I will probably need a J-Pac board and then I should be good to go, correct? Thanks again for all of the help, fellas!

did you try unplugging the power and holding in the power button for 20 secs to drain any power from the motherboard then hook it back up to see if it posts.

No, I haven't tried that but I guess I will. Not sure what you mean exactly. Do you mean unplugging the plug from the power supply, then just flipping the power button on for 20 secs? It's just an off/on switch so a little confused by "holding in the power button". Really don't expect this to change anything, but I am willing to try all suggestions!

I will say that at one point the Arcade Legends would work when it was turned on for 15 minutes or so, then you flip the game off and on it would sometimes boot and play fine. At that point I changed out the battery, and now I can't even get it to boot by doing that anymore.

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« Reply #43 on: September 06, 2017, 01:36:23 pm »
I thought since it was a standard PC it had a momentary switch for the power button on the PC.
guess not.

I guess you can try unplugging it then flipping the switch for a bit and then trying to boot it back up.


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« Reply #44 on: September 06, 2017, 02:48:30 pm »
OK I am going to pick up this computer today unless you guys think this is not going to be able to run the MAME, NES, SNES, N64 games like I want it to:

HP 4000 Pro SFF.
160gb HDD
4GB RAM
Core2 e7500 2.93 GHz
Windows 10 Pro

$45

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« Reply #45 on: September 06, 2017, 04:18:28 pm »
OK I am going to pick up this computer today unless you guys think this is not going to be able to run the MAME, NES, SNES, N64 games like I want it to:

HP 4000 Pro SFF.
160gb HDD
4GB RAM
Core2 e7500 2.93 GHz
Windows 10 Pro

$45

It'll handle the consoles though n64 can be twitchy with some games no matter what PC you have it on.
What mame games?
Unless something changed recently (and someone correct me if wrong) you will have to go back a few yrs with mame version.
I don't think that PC will handle some of the newer games on the latest version.

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« Reply #46 on: September 06, 2017, 04:32:46 pm »
OK I am going to pick up this computer today unless you guys think this is not going to be able to run the MAME, NES, SNES, N64 games like I want it to:

HP 4000 Pro SFF.
160gb HDD
4GB RAM
Core2 e7500 2.93 GHz
Windows 10 Pro

$45

It'll handle the consoles though n64 can be twitchy with some games no matter what PC you have it on.
What mame games?
Unless something changed recently (and someone correct me if wrong) you will have to go back a few yrs with mame version.
I don't think that PC will handle some of the newer games on the latest version.

You need more storage 160gb isn't gonna cut it.


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« Reply #47 on: September 06, 2017, 04:48:12 pm »
OK, I am now looking at computers on eBay. Thanks for all the input so far.
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« Reply #48 on: September 06, 2017, 08:23:11 pm »
Have you done the simplest thing to the original computer yet which is to replace the cmos battery?

Yes, as I mentioned I have replaced the battery, and tested the power supply. Both are good. But it will not boot up in the Arcade Legends cab, or on my work table with monitor and ps2 keyboard hooked up to it. Can't even get into BIOS. A new hard drive is $150 and I don't even know if that is the issue. Could be the ram, the motherboard, etc. I just feel like at this point I should just spend the money on an old PC and a J-Pac i(f the J-Pac is even needed).

The plan at this point is to replace the AL computer with a new (old) PC and upload games to it and use the same control panel, cab, and monitor currently used for the AL. To do this I will buy a PC, hook it up in the same way the Arcade Legends computer is hooked up, power it on and hope for the best. If it doesn't work, I will probably need a J-Pac board and then I should be good to go, correct? Thanks again for all of the help, fellas!

Hard drive wouldn't prevent you from booting to bios. Guess you made up your mind.

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« Reply #49 on: September 06, 2017, 08:37:19 pm »
Alright I went with this one:

Dell Desktop Computer PC Core 2 Duo 3.0Ghz 8GB RAM Large 1TB Windows 10 - 64bit

I imagine this will be able to run everything that I want plus some. I will report back after I get it in and hook it up to the USBlinx board to see if it will work. Hopefully I plug it in and it boots right up to windows. We'll see...
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« Reply #50 on: September 06, 2017, 11:51:12 pm »
Thanks again for all the help!  :cheers:

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« Reply #51 on: September 11, 2017, 09:50:39 am »
So I was just told in regards to the new PC working with the current Arcade Legends (USBlinx) setup:

"There is a LOT of work needed to customize the software/hardware and get it integrated with the cabinet, monitor and controls. There is some special software that the USBlinx needs, and also the fact that the arcade monitor is not the same frequency as a standard monitor that PCs are hooked up to. You either need a special VGA card, or modify drivers to get the PCs video card to output the correct frequency for an arcade monitor. "

And also:

"Probably won't run on Windows 10...you need special drivers for the video card to output correctly, and I don't think they were written for Windows10."

Can anyone comment on this? Will windows 10 not work for this conversion? Thanks!

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« Reply #52 on: September 11, 2017, 12:47:56 pm »
So I was just told in regards to the new PC working with the current Arcade Legends (USBlinx) setup:

"There is a LOT of work needed to customize the software/hardware and get it integrated with the cabinet, monitor and controls. There is some special software that the USBlinx needs, and also the fact that the arcade monitor is not the same frequency as a standard monitor that PCs are hooked up to. You either need a special VGA card, or modify drivers to get the PCs video card to output the correct frequency for an arcade monitor. "

And also:

"Probably won't run on Windows 10...you need special drivers for the video card to output correctly, and I don't think they were written for Windows10."

Can anyone comment on this? Will windows 10 not work for this conversion? Thanks!
Any opinions on this? I'm trying to determine if I should cancel my order for the Windows 10 PC and get one with 7...

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« Reply #53 on: September 11, 2017, 01:05:57 pm »
So I was just told in regards to the new PC working with the current Arcade Legends (USBlinx) setup:

"There is a LOT of work needed to customize the software/hardware and get it integrated with the cabinet, monitor and controls. There is some special software that the USBlinx needs, and also the fact that the arcade monitor is not the same frequency as a standard monitor that PCs are hooked up to. You either need a special VGA card, or modify drivers to get the PCs video card to output the correct frequency for an arcade monitor. "

And also:

"Probably won't run on Windows 10...you need special drivers for the video card to output correctly, and I don't think they were written for Windows10."

Can anyone comment on this? Will windows 10 not work for this conversion? Thanks!
Any opinions on this? I'm trying to determine if I should cancel my order for the Windows 10 PC and get one with 7...

Windows 10 works fine with crt emudriver and it's better than windows 7. Don't listen to this advice.

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« Reply #54 on: September 11, 2017, 02:03:04 pm »
So I was just told in regards to the new PC working with the current Arcade Legends (USBlinx) setup:

"There is a LOT of work needed to customize the software/hardware and get it integrated with the cabinet, monitor and controls. There is some special software that the USBlinx needs, and also the fact that the arcade monitor is not the same frequency as a standard monitor that PCs are hooked up to. You either need a special VGA card, or modify drivers to get the PCs video card to output the correct frequency for an arcade monitor. "

And also:

"Probably won't run on Windows 10...you need special drivers for the video card to output correctly, and I don't think they were written for Windows10."

Can anyone comment on this? Will windows 10 not work for this conversion? Thanks!
Any opinions on this? I'm trying to determine if I should cancel my order for the Windows 10 PC and get one with 7...

Windows 10 works fine with crt emudriver and it's better than windows 7. Don't listen to this advice.

Can you explain what "crt emudriver" is or does exactly? I am getting lots of different information as to what all I will need in order to turn this Arcade Legends into MAME.

I thought at first it would make sense to order this new PC, plug it in via VGA to the USBlinx, and hope that it boots up to windows on the AL monitor. If that doesn't work then look into getting the J-pac and I should be good to go. Now I am hearing that Windows 10 may not even work, I need "crt emudriver", customized hardware and software, new video cards, modified drivers, "some special software that the USBlinx" needs, etc. I honestly don't even know what 80% of that even means. I feel like I am starting from scratch....ugh

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« Reply #55 on: September 11, 2017, 02:10:33 pm »
So I was just told in regards to the new PC working with the current Arcade Legends (USBlinx) setup:

"There is a LOT of work needed to customize the software/hardware and get it integrated with the cabinet, monitor and controls. There is some special software that the USBlinx needs, and also the fact that the arcade monitor is not the same frequency as a standard monitor that PCs are hooked up to. You either need a special VGA card, or modify drivers to get the PCs video card to output the correct frequency for an arcade monitor. "

And also:

"Probably won't run on Windows 10...you need special drivers for the video card to output correctly, and I don't think they were written for Windows10."

Can anyone comment on this? Will windows 10 not work for this conversion? Thanks!
Any opinions on this? I'm trying to determine if I should cancel my order for the Windows 10 PC and get one with 7...

Windows 10 works fine with crt emudriver and it's better than windows 7. Don't listen to this advice.

Can you explain what "crt emudriver" is or does exactly? I am getting lots of different information as to what all I will need in order to turn this Arcade Legends into MAME.

I thought at first it would make sense to order this new PC, plug it in via VGA to the USBlinx, and hope that it boots up to windows on the AL monitor. If that doesn't work then look into getting the J-pac and I should be good to go. Now I am hearing that Windows 10 may not even work, I need "crt emudriver", customized hardware and software, new video cards, modified drivers, "some special software that the USBlinx" needs, etc. I honestly don't even know what 80% of that even means. I feel like I am starting from scratch....ugh

Don't sweat it. I'll pm you in a few hours when I'm out of work.

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« Reply #56 on: September 11, 2017, 03:23:22 pm »
Thanks, Keil! I appreciate that.

I just feel like I had made such progress with this, and knew exactly how to get this to work. Now I feel like I am starting at square 1 and not even sure if the computer I ordered will work, or what half the stuff means that people are saying I will now need.

  
 

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