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The Invaders
« on: June 08, 2017, 07:27:40 pm »
Hi all!

I've had this build on the back burner for about two years while i toyed with different ideas. For a long time it was going to be called ďZAP!Ē to go with Blip but i couldn't settle on artwork so decided to go back to basics and make it a homage to the granddaddy of vertical cabs:  Space Invaders.
 
It will be a single player vertical cabinet using a 21Ē b&o mx4000 for the main display and a 17Ē dell widescreen LCD for the dynamic marquee (because it's my thang!). As with my cube cabinet I'll be masking off half of the LCD to give me something marquee sized.
 
Before building the cabinet i wanted to make sure everything would work as i hoped it would. As Iíve just finished panelling a room, I had a load of offcuts and spare material I could throw together quite quickly. One brad nailer and 2 hours later and Iíve got this:
 





 
Yeah it's rough around the edges(!) but this was great for getting the height and angles of everything right before the main build. I tweaked quite a bit before i ended up with this and now I'm really happy with where everything is i can do the final tweaks to the 3D model and get ready to build the real one.
 
I've got a pretty good idea now what  i want the artwork to look like as it will be a mashup of space invaders art and the ĎThe invadersí tv show logo as i used to watch it with my folks when i was a kid and it really brings back happy memories.
 
I wonít be able to start on the build properly for a week or two as have to paint all that panelling but it gives me time to finalise the design a bit.

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Re: The Invaders
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2017, 09:23:16 pm »
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Re: The Invaders
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2017, 07:28:11 am »
I should probably add that although the mockup only took 2 hours, i was working from an almost ready 3D model so it was literally a case of throwing wood together. The control panel is about the 5th version and i still ended up moving the joystick across 1.5cm so it didn't interfere with the spinner.

What i realised straight away was that i need to extend the front lip of the control panel an extra cm or 2 so that the edge doesn't dig into my palms when I'm playing centipede.

I'm debating whether i should show the final design now or let it come together in real time as i build it which could be more fun (and hide any mistakes i make on the way  ;D)

Thoughts?

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Re: The Invaders
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2017, 08:17:55 am »
following your progress.

How are you getting a marquee and screen out of one LCD?

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Re: The Invaders
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2017, 08:23:38 am »
His screen is a CRT tv. The LCD is the marquee.

The panel layout looks pretty good to me. Are there any vertical games that need three buttons?

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Re: The Invaders
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2017, 08:27:34 am »
Thanks - that's right I'm using 2 displays.

Gunsmoke was the main one but there may be others. I was this thinking 3 for modern shooters(?) but it's not something i know a lot about. If there isn't many that use 3 I'll certainly drop the extra button as ideally the panel will be as minimal as possible.

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Re: The Invaders
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2017, 08:35:45 am »
When you said vertical cab my brain instantly went to my cab. I have a vertical CRT cab, but I have a dedicated 4 way stick. That limits my game selection. I figured out that I only need 2 buttons.  ;)

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Re: The Invaders
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2017, 08:38:17 am »
Ah - I'll do some more research before i commit to 3 buttons then.

I'm using a servostik for this build so will dig some more

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Re: The Invaders
« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2017, 08:40:02 am »
I like your mock up. I have been considering building something like that for testing PCBS, monitors, and arcade controls.

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Re: The Invaders
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2017, 10:42:32 am »
Tutankham is a vertical game which plays well with a 4-way joystick and 3 buttons for left, right, and smart bomb.  That's how it works on ArcadeSD, too.

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Re: The Invaders
« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2017, 12:10:20 pm »
Dinky - I like it! I say let the final design emerge - don't frontload it...

You going to sell that mock-up on Craig's List for $1,628?


As ever, following your build(s) with interest...

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Re: The Invaders
« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2017, 05:50:12 am »
The mockup looks dinky but it's 180cm high by 54cm wide so not a lot shorter than the blip cabinet.

I'll keep the design to myself for the time being.

Artwork printing wise - who does laminated cpos in the U.K. now? I don't see it anymore on the pixart site.

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Re: The Invaders
« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2017, 06:50:53 am »
I've been playing with the idea of using one of those B&O tv's in a cab but got a bit thrown off by the weird pcb system. Really curious how this ones will turn out.

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Re: The Invaders
« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2017, 07:57:59 am »
I was looking over the frame again.  Man if it were just a bit deeper you could do a proper space invaders style of pointing the monitor to the back and using a sheet of glass to reflect it to the front.


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Re: The Invaders
« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2017, 08:13:56 am »
I could definitely go deeper - the tv I'm using is REALLY shallow. I'll be decasing the tv this week so I'll do some more experimentation  ;)

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Re: The Invaders
« Reply #15 on: June 12, 2017, 09:35:23 am »
I was looking over the frame again.  Man if it were just a bit deeper you could do a proper space invaders style of pointing the monitor to the back and using a sheet of glass to reflect it to the front.


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That would be epic. 

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Re: The Invaders
« Reply #16 on: June 12, 2017, 01:47:51 pm »
Artwork printing wise - who does laminated cpos in the U.K. now? I don't see it anymore on the pixart site.
Im in the same boat, mark. Pixart used to do textured vinyl, but now only seem to do floor vinyl. I sent them an email to see if they did the old stuff, but their reply was vague.
Im looking for some plain, black, textured and tough vinyl on a roll as im making modular cp units over time and thus need a stock. Let me know if you find anywhere!

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Re: The Invaders
« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2017, 11:02:37 am »
If you're going to have a 4/8 way Servo stick on there, you might as well have the 3 button layout to support SHMUPS.  (ESP Ra.De comes to mind which has 3 buttons).

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Re: The Invaders
« Reply #18 on: June 19, 2017, 08:08:17 am »
So I found some time to put the monitor mount together. Iíve done this a couple of times now so have a pretty good idea about how to do it, although I still exercise a fair amount of caution when I decase the TV.
 
Itís a Bang and Olufsen MX4000 which I chose because Iím a big fan of the picture quality, and they are ridiculously shallow. The downside (as mentioned above) is that the circuit boards are a bit scary when you first see them as there are about 6 of them all connected together via a plastic cage.
 
Luckily this turned out to be far simpler than I feared. The plastic cage keeps everything together really nicely and although I had to detach a couple of cables to get the thing apart it worked pretty well.
 
One great thing about the cage is that it comes on a sliding mount. I guess this was so it could be serviced easily but itís a great bonus as I reused the mounts to secure the circuit boards to my MDF frame.
 
I picked up some brackets for around £9 from Screwfix which were more than strong enough to hold the thing together so hereís where Iím at now.




 
Next job - the sides. I'm kinda excited to see how they are going to look...  ;D

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Re: The Invaders
« Reply #19 on: June 19, 2017, 06:20:54 pm »
OK... so this is piquing my interest in using a CRT on my next build... I'd imagine a B+O tube would be amazing quality butr wonder how  much you could pick these up for given B+O normally charge £9,452 for a remote control...

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Re: The Invaders
« Reply #20 on: June 19, 2017, 07:09:51 pm »
Suggestion:
I think a 30 degree angle on the marquee facing downward and a 30 degree toe kick would add a good amount of visual appeal from the front viewing angle and would give it more of a menacing stance to match the "invaders" name.

Overall, I like where this is going.  :)

  
 

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