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Re: Another Asteroids Deluxe HELP PLEASE!
« Reply #40 on: May 28, 2017, 01:50:26 pm »
more monitor pics - where is model #?

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Re: Another Asteroids Deluxe HELP PLEASE!
« Reply #41 on: May 28, 2017, 06:29:05 pm »
That is an Electrohome G05-802. I see some severe charring below one of the large caps, it's clear that it's suffered a failure that might need a little more electronic experience than what you may have. There are some folks that you could send the deflection pcb and HV cage to and have them rebuild them for you.


In other news, spent some time at the bench and got my thruster box done. The fader is too tall if it were mounted directly to the top of box. I crudely cut some chunks of hdpe to use as internal brackets to mount fader to pcb mounts inside of box. Everything went perfect til I didn't noticed 1 of the screws I used had just a little extra on the tip :banghead: and created the little bump on the box top. :cry:

All wired up and the A to D interface that I don't have is ready to be plugged in. :hissy:



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Re: Another Asteroids Deluxe HELP PLEASE!
« Reply #42 on: May 29, 2017, 12:47:41 am »
All wired up and the A to D interface that I don't have is ready to be plugged in. :hissy:

There should be some ready pretty soon...


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Re: Another Asteroids Deluxe HELP PLEASE!
« Reply #43 on: May 29, 2017, 11:16:11 pm »
That is an Electrohome G05-802. I see some severe charring below one of the large caps, it's clear that it's suffered a failure that might need a little more electronic experience than what you may have. There are some folks that you could send the deflection pcb and HV cage to and have them rebuild them for you.


In other news, spent some time at the bench and got my thruster box done. The fader is too tall if it were mounted directly to the top of box. I crudely cut some chunks of hdpe to use as internal brackets to mount fader to pcb mounts inside of box. Everything went perfect til I didn't noticed 1 of the screws I used had just a little extra on the tip :banghead: and created the little bump on the box top. :cry:

All wired up and the A to D interface that I don't have is ready to be plugged in. :hissy:



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Thanks so much Chopper, I see of what you speak, any suggestions on who to contact to do the work?  Any chance theres someone who could look at the board, cage, AND game pcb?  Would be nice to ship all at same time.  Does CoinOp Cauldron still do board work?  Also, is it worth trying to replace the caps myself to see if it works after?  I assume such an issue has probably hurt other board components.

Lunar Lander - SWEET project, beautiful work man, and I assume you seek a switch that can be on an AD console and not be too intrusive, BUT the mammoth original thruster switch on LL sure feels beefy and awesome (below), if you have time please keep posting pics and possible parts list, would love to attempt one once my cab is back to life
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Re: Another Asteroids Deluxe HELP PLEASE!
« Reply #44 on: May 30, 2017, 02:07:10 pm »



Recommendations of techs are always tricky.  There are a few out there, but they're not always taking jobs, and they do specialize somewhat.  Best thing to do is probably to go to KLOV or a fairly local Facebook group for the hobby and ask there.  And then ask for a reference or two since you're new to the hobby.

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Re: Another Asteroids Deluxe HELP PLEASE!
« Reply #45 on: May 30, 2017, 02:14:54 pm »
Chad - will do, thank you

Possible issue - so the board does look charred in that area, BUT I am getting glow at base of tube and red led, several sites warn that a bad game pcb that is 'playing blind' (which mine possibly IS) can give illusion of a bad monitor, am I not best FIRST sending off game board for repair BEFORE I address monitor?

Or does the pic tell us %100 repairs are needed?

arcadecup.com - any opinions? $195 plus shipping

Thanks guys

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Re: Another Asteroids Deluxe HELP PLEASE!
« Reply #46 on: June 01, 2017, 10:10:13 am »



The LED on the deflection board in the monitor is the 'spot killer'.  Basically, it's a circuit that shuts off the electron beam if the monitor is not getting a signal that is displayable by the monitor.  It protects the CRT from phosphor burn in the center of the screen in the case of bad input.  It also protects the CRT from monitor defects that could cause the same thing.


Yes, a bad input signal from the game board can cause that spot killer to activate.  Yes, a monitor fault can cause it too.  And yes, a problem with the wiring harness can cause that even in the presence of a working board and working monitor.


I always go through these Atari vectors in this order.  Rebuild the power supply in the bottom of the cabinet and make any repairs to the connectors there.  Move on to the AR board and rebuild that/repair connectors.  Inspect edge connectors at the game PCB and make any repairs there.  Power up game and verify that you're getting good power at all test points on the AR and on the game PCB.  Once you get to this point you're ready to address the monitor and the game PCB.


If you don't have good clean power and good stable connectors the game will never be reliable even if everything is functional.  The molex connectors on the Atari games are problematic at this point.  The pins are easily bent, they're loose in the housing, and you're going to be cycling them quite a few times as you restore the game.  It is often worth the trouble of repinning all of the square connectors just to be sure.




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Re: Another Asteroids Deluxe HELP PLEASE!
« Reply #47 on: June 02, 2017, 06:36:07 pm »
There should be some ready pretty soon...





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Another Asteroids Deluxe HELP PLEASE!
« Reply #48 on: June 02, 2017, 06:41:01 pm »
There should be some ready pretty soon...



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Re: Another Asteroids Deluxe HELP PLEASE!
« Reply #49 on: June 04, 2017, 02:12:01 pm »
There should be some ready pretty soon...



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Being a newb, are these required for a working thruster box/switch?  If so where does one purchase?

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« Reply #50 on: June 04, 2017, 05:01:02 pm »
Being a newb, are these required for a working thruster box/switch?  If so where does one purchase?
This all stems back to the "Braze Multi Game" add on from page one. The original board sets lack the analog to digital hardware needed for a thruster on the multigame. Now, Lunar Lander is completely playable out of the box using the buttons on the control panel. BUT, the add on board has a spot for a 10pin header that allows you to plug in what is needed for the analog to 8bit binary conversion that the multigame can use. The thruster on Lunar Lander originally used a 5K potentiometer, so in my little box I'm using a 5k slider pot, yes the real thruster would be cool, but nah I just want analog control of the thrust to get a fair shot at playing the game and not going broke and destroying my panel.

and here: http://highscoresaves.com/  at some point  :badmood:


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« Reply #51 on: June 04, 2017, 05:41:31 pm »
PM me Chopper
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Re: Another Asteroids Deluxe HELP PLEASE!
« Reply #52 on: June 05, 2017, 09:19:15 am »



I keep orbiting around the idea of grabbing that kit.  Hrm.

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« Reply #53 on: June 06, 2017, 09:56:39 pm »
Being a newb, are these required for a working thruster box/switch?  If so where does one purchase?
This all stems back to the "Braze Multi Game" add on from page one. The original board sets lack the analog to digital hardware needed for a thruster on the multigame. Now, Lunar Lander is completely playable out of the box using the buttons on the control panel. BUT, the add on board has a spot for a 10pin header that allows you to plug in what is needed for the analog to 8bit binary conversion that the multigame can use. The thruster on Lunar Lander originally used a 5K potentiometer, so in my little box I'm using a 5k slider pot, yes the real thruster would be cool, but nah I just want analog control of the thrust to get a fair shot at playing the game and not going broke and destroying my panel.

and here: http://highscoresaves.com/  at some point  :badmood:


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Which slider pot did you decide to go with?
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Re: Another Asteroids Deluxe HELP PLEASE!
« Reply #54 on: June 07, 2017, 01:57:53 pm »
The 45mm sweep.


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« Reply #55 on: June 07, 2017, 02:11:43 pm »
The 45mm sweep.


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Do you have a link for the knob?
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Re: Another Asteroids Deluxe HELP PLEASE!
« Reply #56 on: June 11, 2017, 09:23:35 pm »
game/sound board and monitor chassis going out tomorrow for repair/rebuild, going with PNL Video in California for monitor, have 2 solid recs, $140 plus shipping, they have listings on ebay if interested.  In the meantime working on power supply, popping out 'Big Blue' sometime this week, my first cap switch.  Wish me luck:)

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« Reply #57 on: June 12, 2017, 12:36:13 pm »



If you are comfortable taking things apart then disconnect the fuse block, clean that and if there are any qualms about it replace it.  Clean all of the quick disconnects.  Do the same for the cabinet fuse holder (the one in the black screw holder).  Take note of the bridge rectifier on the underside of the metal plate.  There's a decent chance you're going to have to replace that before this is over.   Take an effort to bullet proof the power block now and you'll save yourself real headaches later.

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« Reply #58 on: June 12, 2017, 08:51:33 pm »



If you are comfortable taking things apart then disconnect the fuse block, clean that and if there are any qualms about it replace it.  Clean all of the quick disconnects.  Do the same for the cabinet fuse holder (the one in the black screw holder).  Take note of the bridge rectifier on the underside of the metal plate.  There's a decent chance you're going to have to replace that before this is over.   Take an effort to bullet proof the power block now and you'll save yourself real headaches later.

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« Reply #59 on: June 21, 2017, 11:41:53 pm »
The 45mm sweep.


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Do you have a link for the knob?
I don't , cuase I'm kinda borrowing it from a mixer I have out in the garage. Still mildly searching for something.




Thruster interface?


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« Reply #60 on: June 22, 2017, 02:47:45 am »
The 45mm sweep.


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Do you have a link for the knob?
I don't , cuase I'm kinda borrowing it from a mixer I have out in the garage. Still mildly searching for something.




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« Reply #61 on: August 26, 2017, 07:22:30 pm »
Okay, BACK to tackling this sucker, I want this thing WORKING ;D

So I never got the monitor chassis shipped, pulled it out today, MAN I do NOT see where or how to get the tube separated from the chassis at the caged box, any help greatly appreciated!  The cord connecting to tube is covered in melty goop, looks like rubber connector has melted/degraded over the years but worry itt'l seep under the connector and splatter the cathode,  the connection on the tube spins, but how to completely disconnect?  Need to ship the cage asap.

Now I really look at it, heavy burn-in, is the tube still usable?  What will it look like in game play? Or will I need to replace tube?  see pics

Thanks so much everybody, sooner you post the better, but no pressure

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« Reply #62 on: August 26, 2017, 07:53:47 pm »
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« Reply #63 on: August 26, 2017, 08:00:41 pm »
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« Reply #64 on: August 27, 2017, 11:32:27 am »
help!:)

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« Reply #65 on: August 27, 2017, 06:08:37 pm »
Okay, so found all online, discharged the monitor without incident (my first) successfully, squeezed the plug and out pops the anode, disconnected all molex, the grounding frame and screws, and out she pops, cage ready to ship tomorrow

Considering ordering the new monitor, this is a lotta work, and I dont wanna do it again in 6 months:)  DO IT RIGHT or dont do it?  STILL WANT OPINIONS ON HOW BAD SCREEN BURN WILL SHOW IN GAMEPLAY.  $250 is a lotta money.

Chad, dont let me down on that artwork man, you are my only hope Obi-Wan:)
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« Reply #66 on: August 29, 2017, 11:56:00 pm »
echo!  Little help?

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« Reply #67 on: August 30, 2017, 05:12:22 am »
My Asteroids Deluxe has some burn. It is not noticeable during game play. Probably because the vector graphics are so freakin' bright. I will snap a pic of my screen burn and post it tonight.

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« Reply #68 on: August 30, 2017, 05:45:21 am »
Burn probably won't be that noticable, so let's just focus on getting it up and running first.

A CRT like that would need a yoke swap/alligment and full adjustments, all while it's turned on. It's beautiful when done correctly, but as a beginner I'd think twice before starting a project like that.

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« Reply #69 on: August 30, 2017, 10:15:30 pm »
Mike - thank you I'd REALLY like to see. $250 is a lot  of bread:)

Mourix - thank you had no idea but just looked it up, I *think* I could handle it but time is limited with work, so if i can stick with this tube=easier and cheaper

Will take about a week to get pcb and monitor cage back

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« Reply #70 on: August 31, 2017, 06:08:23 pm »
Not sure if this helps. I couldn't get the burn to show on camera without the flash.

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« Reply #71 on: August 31, 2017, 08:03:55 pm »
I wouldn't worry about the burn in.
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« Reply #72 on: September 01, 2017, 07:41:07 pm »
Thanks guys, eases my mind, and pocky book:)

Mike - that image really helps, thank you sir

SO the board is off, as is the chassis, I  predict I'll be back together and testing in 7-10 days

Chad - lemme know when u can ship I'll paypal u right up, and thank you

REALLY wanna do braze, but going to wait till all running smoothly, blew this months budget on board & cage


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« Reply #73 on: September 26, 2017, 06:44:32 pm »
UPDATE

Game board fixed and running smooth (hear audio and gameplay, no longer resets)

BUT I chickened out when I got to the shipping office with the Electrohome chassis, $90 ONE WAY shipping, with the repair that means $330 in monitor and I dont have the cash, I think capping these boards is too much, and so much more to check, SO I am going to tackle the 4 transistors in the chassis, and send in the 2 monitor boards to be checked.

Just ordered transistors for replacement

Getting there!

Chad you are my only hope for the cardboard background:)
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« Reply #74 on: September 26, 2017, 11:17:46 pm »
HELP these transistors, do I need to apply thermal paste between transistor and chassis?  Can I use same paste as, say, a CPU install?
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« Reply #75 on: September 29, 2017, 12:49:16 pm »
bump!  lil help

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« Reply #76 on: October 03, 2017, 09:36:44 pm »
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« Reply #77 on: November 10, 2017, 06:07:27 pm »
Approaching 'D-Day' - monitor boards all re-capped, everything cleaned, chassis re-assembled (that tube spring for grounding band that latches onto chassis was pure HELL), game and sound boards checked out %100, re-built PSU including new Big Blue and fuse assemblies, everything re-connected.  Getting my fire extinguisher re-charged over the weekend just in case:)  Then I will power on, praying for picture and no spot killer, I have done everything I can think of.  Will post update.

Oh, any recs for a coin door sticker?  To buy?  To make?  Never made a decal before.
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« Reply #78 on: November 11, 2017, 01:16:51 pm »
Hope it goes well. Check and adjust the 5v before connecting the edge connector to game pcb. You will see the test lugs for 5v and gnd on the power supply.


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