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Author Topic: Sega Ringwide loader- Sega Racing Classic AKA Daytona playable  (Read 7254 times)

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This is a new loader for Sega Ringwide system. Currently supports 3 games Melty Blood AA CC, Virtual Tennis 4 and Sega Racing Classic (Daytona USA after they lost the Daytona license). Controls still need work and Nvidia cards will have glitches. AMD cards should be ok.

Run DumbJVSManager.exe as admin

Go to Settings and install Com2Com and then Select Auto Setup if this is your first time running the loader.

Select your controls from drop down or use keyboard (KB not supported for Sega Racing Classic)

add the path to your game

Save Settings

Reopen DumbJVSManager.exe

Select Sega Racing Classic and start game

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« Last Edit: May 14, 2017, 07:00:41 pm by SegaOutrun »

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Re: Sega Ringwide loader- Sega Racing Classic AKA Daytona playable
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2017, 08:47:57 pm »
TeknoParrot_Release_0.3 is a big improvement in terms of usability/configuration.

Spent the night playing Sega Racing Classic which is always a good thing :)

The draw distance seemed very low - was the arcade version like that too?

If TeknoParrot is a 'loader' that just bypasses security features and gets games running in Windows and isn't an emulator, do we have to conclude that no progression can be made in how games look and play on the PC?

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Re: Sega Ringwide loader- Sega Racing Classic AKA Daytona playable
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2017, 01:23:40 am »
Once game loader all RH adds support, there will be a way to up the resolution but draw distances are typically hard coded. Whiles its possible, its extremely unlikely

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Re: Sega Ringwide loader- Sega Racing Classic AKA Daytona playable
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2017, 06:32:34 am »
Why would anyone want to run this rather than the arcade version? Just curios.

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Re: Sega Ringwide loader- Sega Racing Classic AKA Daytona playable
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2017, 01:08:46 pm »
Why would anyone want to run this rather than the arcade version? Just curios.

I'm with Barry on this one, seems like a lot of effort to play a not as good version of Daytona, maybe I'll change my tune if some more interesting games get announced. Interesting though that this turned out to be an actual genuine arcade loader, I randomly saw an announcement about this some time ago on YouTube, by some Russian geezer who looked well shifty, and everyone in the comments was shouting 'Fake!'.

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Re: Sega Ringwide loader- Sega Racing Classic AKA Daytona playable
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2017, 10:47:10 pm »
You can play in HD (Theres hacked exes that go up 4k) and you can use the PS3 files for the original soundtrack. Emulator is still work in progress and hopefully we can get initial d 6 soon

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Re: Sega Ringwide loader- Sega Racing Classic AKA Daytona playable
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2017, 06:37:23 am »
You can play in HD (Theres hacked exes that go up 4k) and you can use the PS3 files for the original soundtrack. Emulator is still work in progress and hopefully we can get initial d 6 soon

4K is all well and good but the draw distance is terrible compared to the original. I was pretty sure you can play 4K with supermodel anyway. Does this have improved textures?

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Re: Sega Ringwide loader- Sega Racing Classic AKA Daytona playable
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2017, 01:09:45 pm »
Yeah both model 2 emulator and supermodel allow for HD resolutions. 

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Re: Sega Ringwide loader- Sega Racing Classic AKA Daytona playable
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2017, 06:40:04 pm »
I'm keen to give this loader/emulator a go, but whilst I can download the software, the games seem to be only available by ************.......


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Re: Sega Ringwide loader- Sega Racing Classic AKA Daytona playable
« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2017, 01:15:03 pm »
Now that a few more games seem to be slowly getting released for this my curiosity has been piqued a little bit more. Does anyone know if there are any significant differences between the arcade and home version of Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing (like how the arcade version of Sega Rally 3 was 60fps and the home console versions were only 30)?

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Re: Sega Ringwide loader- Sega Racing Classic AKA Daytona playable
« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2017, 02:52:44 pm »
I'm sure the controls are more geared towards wheels than the pc version. 

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Re: Sega Ringwide loader- Sega Racing Classic AKA Daytona playable
« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2017, 06:42:47 pm »
I actually ended up downloading it tonight out of curiosity using my old dual core PC I normally use for watching movies on. I didn't actually get around to configuring the controls, but just going by the attract mode, graphically it looks (as far as I can see) indistinguishable from my Xbox 360 version.

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Re: Sega Ringwide loader- Sega Racing Classic AKA Daytona playable
« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2017, 11:53:31 am »
Got both sega classic and sonic running ok on my i7 laptop, although couldnt get virtua tennis going.

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Re: Sega Ringwide loader- Sega Racing Classic AKA Daytona playable
« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2017, 05:55:41 pm »
I got Let's Go Island working today. It was incredibly convoluted to get it working the way I did it, there's another way which sounds far simpler, but it didn't want to work for me  :banghead:

FYI, I found out today from another YouTuber that You can actually launch Sonic all Star Racing Arcade directly from the game's exe in the game folder itself, without actually having to use Teknoparrot. It turns the game Chinese though and also enables the full attract mode (if you're into that sort of thing).

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Re: Sega Ringwide loader- Sega Racing Classic AKA Daytona playable
« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2017, 12:50:01 am »
As of version 0.71d (today), it sounds like there might be some level of network support?

From https://teknogods.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=38612

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Changes in TeknoParrot 0.71d Patreon Release:
- Internal region change support (dongle and PCB). Will be selectable later.
- PCB ID now autogenerated and bound to computer name like dongle serial.
- amNetwork link emulated, I cannot guarantee link working. Sega Racing Classic should work tho.
NOTE: Please test and use wireshark to see if there are problems.
- Thanks to amNetwork emulation Sega Sonic All-Stars Racing attract mode works normally.

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Re: Sega Ringwide loader- Sega Racing Classic AKA Daytona playable
« Reply #15 on: July 23, 2017, 01:24:38 pm »
TecknoParrot 0.8 is out...

From the readme

Changes in TeknoParrot 0.8 Public Build:
- Includes all Patreon changes.
- Initial D6AA initialization fixed as amNetwork is emulated for  ;D upcoming multiplayer update! ;D


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Re: Sega Ringwide loader- Sega Racing Classic AKA Daytona playable
« Reply #16 on: July 23, 2017, 02:15:09 pm »

- Initial D6AA initialization fixed as amNetwork is emulated for  ;D upcoming multiplayer update! ;D

Hmmm, can you expand on what this means?

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Re: Sega Ringwide loader- Sega Racing Classic AKA Daytona playable
« Reply #17 on: July 23, 2017, 02:40:11 pm »
Allowing linked up play between machines...

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Re: Sega Ringwide loader- Sega Racing Classic AKA Daytona playable
« Reply #18 on: July 24, 2017, 02:46:40 am »
From the readme of 0.8a

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Changes in TeknoParrot 0.8a Patreon Release: -

Thanks to NTAuthority's superior skills first game of Sega Europa-R is now supported! - Ford Racing support!!!! -

NOTE: More Europa-R support coming your way soon! choo choo....
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What else runs on europa-r hardware?   only Grid and SEGA RALLY 3!!!!!


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« Reply #19 on: July 24, 2017, 01:50:36 pm »
I've waited for this FOREVER!!!

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- Sega Rally 3 supported!
NOTE: NTAuthority is on a roll!
NOTE: Remember to enable free play from ..\ShellData\ShellData.ini
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Freeplay=1

NOTE: To play linked in LAN, enable it by editing:
[Network]
CabinetID=1
Enabled=1
If you are player one you are CabinetID=1, if you are player 2 use CabinetID=2 etc.

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Re: Sega Ringwide loader- Sega Racing Classic AKA Daytona playable
« Reply #20 on: July 25, 2017, 04:48:41 pm »
hi trying to get inital d working on win 7 64 bit all other games work but inital d starts and looks like it going to work then goes back to menu  :dunno
sorted now working
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Re: Sega Ringwide loader- Sega Racing Classic AKA Daytona playable
« Reply #21 on: August 01, 2017, 01:55:25 pm »
Sega Rally 3 is out...

will run directly but not under teknoparrot.

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Re: Sega Ringwide loader- Sega Racing Classic AKA Daytona playable
« Reply #22 on: August 01, 2017, 03:07:48 pm »
Does run now, although with a few quirks which the authour will fix in the next version.

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Re: Sega Ringwide loader- Sega Racing Classic AKA Daytona playable
« Reply #23 on: August 07, 2017, 11:31:29 pm »
How much stuttering are you guys getting and with what system specs? I was testing teknoparrot 0.8c on a 2015 MBP with an i7-4980HQ and a Radeon M370X, and sonic all-stars racing stutters every once in a while (when getting hit with an item for example); sega rally 3's intro (can't get past the intro) stutters much more often. I would have thought that the MBP was well past the specs of the Europa-R boards, which had an 8800 GT and an Intel D, so I'm a little confused about what is needed to actually get the games to run 100% smoothly.

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Re: Sega Ringwide loader- Sega Racing Classic AKA Daytona playable
« Reply #24 on: August 08, 2017, 06:07:00 pm »
I get a tiny bit of stuttering right at the start, but after that SR3's attract mode works full speed for me, even with video capture.

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Re: Sega Ringwide loader- Sega Racing Classic AKA Daytona playable
« Reply #25 on: August 08, 2017, 11:41:53 pm »
any word on network support happening?

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« Reply #26 on: August 09, 2017, 11:47:25 am »
Thanks MrThunderwing - that's quite a bit better than on my MBP. Boomslang, not sure about SR3 - I assumed that it already was but I can't test since the controls don't work. I did ask Reaver last night and he said network support for Sonic All-Stars is planned (I haven't tried netplay on it yet, but the game itself works anyway).


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Re: Sega Ringwide loader- Sega Racing Classic AKA Daytona playable
« Reply #27 on: August 09, 2017, 04:33:20 pm »
I think I read somewhere that network support for ID6 was in the pipeline too.

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« Reply #28 on: August 10, 2017, 12:34:04 am »
I believe it is as well. I should have clarified that I only asked about Sonic.

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« Reply #29 on: August 10, 2017, 12:46:39 am »
cool Ill have to see about getting this running on my cabs. I wonder if force feedback will ever be emulated

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Re: Sega Ringwide loader- Sega Racing Classic AKA Daytona playable
« Reply #30 on: August 11, 2017, 02:45:16 pm »
Live stream about to start from reaver teknoparrot writer...

https://www.twitch.tv/reaverteknogods

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« Reply #31 on: August 11, 2017, 06:50:37 pm »
Live stream about to start from reaver teknoparrot writer...

https://www.twitch.tv/reaverteknogods

Can you summarize the livestream? I wasn't able to watch it.


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Re: Sega Ringwide loader- Sega Racing Classic AKA Daytona playable
« Reply #32 on: August 12, 2017, 01:20:40 am »
- Showed improvments to gui
- Played Mario Kart Arcade DX (may not be in new teknoparrot version as not dumped by the community yet)
- Talked about how many new games it'll run (without naming most, grid was mentioned though)
- Showed Machstorm (complaned about resolution  but I suggested about running it in vr. Which he thought was a good idea)

The video is on his twitch channel.



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Re: Sega Ringwide loader- Sega Racing Classic AKA Daytona playable
« Reply #33 on: August 12, 2017, 07:37:33 pm »
Did he say anything about planning to support FFB for wheels?

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Re: Sega Ringwide loader- Sega Racing Classic AKA Daytona playable
« Reply #34 on: August 12, 2017, 07:57:19 pm »
He addressed FFB in one of the vids I saw, said something like "I'd have to look at it, should be no biggy to add but it's not near the priority right now"  Something like that I think?

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« Reply #35 on: August 14, 2017, 07:37:48 am »
thanks for sharing!

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Re: Sega Ringwide loader- Sega Racing Classic AKA Daytona playable
« Reply #36 on: August 15, 2017, 10:13:35 am »
Did he say something for Operation Ghost?
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« Reply #37 on: August 16, 2017, 02:56:14 am »
Not that I remember...

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« Reply #38 on: August 27, 2017, 01:14:52 pm »
From Reavers twitter account,

After almost 50 commits, over 200 man hours and crazy hacking wizardry we are finally nearing 1.0!

Release tomorrow 21.00 CET with a stream!

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« Reply #39 on: August 28, 2017, 03:30:02 pm »
looks like force feedback is sorted inital d 6  :applaud:

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« Reply #40 on: August 29, 2017, 02:44:11 am »
Not sure it's gonna be in yet but I looked at his video earlier today and they said they would look at emulating the force feedback soon

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Re: Sega Ringwide loader- Sega Racing Classic AKA Daytona playable
« Reply #41 on: August 29, 2017, 05:55:31 pm »
From the 1.0 readme...

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*      TeknoParrot 1.0 "THE BIG BABY"       *
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-- www.teknogods.com --
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Changes in TeknoParrot 1.0 Public Build:
- Complete recode of the entire DLL.
- Initial D6 stability fixes
- Sega Sonic All-Stars Racing Arcade test menu supported.
- Golden Gun Test menu supported.
- Virtua Tennis 4 saving issues fixed.
- Fixed missing amLib hooks from certain games which caused issues.
- Melty Blood Actress Again Current Code (1.00 and 1.07) random crashes fixed.
- Sega Rally 3 / Ford Racing bindable buttons for DirectInput and XInput
- Major JVS emulation improvements and bug fixes.
- Namco JVS stack now supported for Namco games in future.
- x64 support for x64 games supported near future.
- Major improvements in RingEdge emulation:
* Dipswitches are now emulated.
* EEPROM now mapped and structured.
* Game data section of EEPROM now is saved on the game folder for players to make save hacks.
* Physical PCB Test / Service switches are now emulated.
* config.ini now lets you set various hardware settings for RingWide/RingEdge games.
* NOTE: NETWORKING DOES NOT FUNCTION YET FOR RING GAMES!!!!

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« Reply #42 on: August 30, 2017, 03:50:46 am »
Briefly tried it before and it seemed to work great. Only tried Sega Racing Classic and Sega Rally 3 so far

Sega Rally 3 network works fine however, had a quick race between 2 of my pcs

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« Reply #43 on: August 30, 2017, 02:14:45 pm »
Got this latest version running after I got home from work today. Sega Rally 3 looks so much better (running in 60fps) than Sega Rally Online arcade did on my PS3. Everything seems to look a bit nice and crisper too visually. Even the audio's a bit better with a whole load of extra sampled speech announcing the track names and gameplay mode (the music's still the same bland affair from SROA though). I really enjoyed Sega Rally Online Arcade, but one of my biggest beefs with the game was the whole fact it only ran at 30fps. Great to finally be able to play the version of the game I felt we always should've got.

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https://youtu.be/oamI-Umyqj0
https://youtu.be/e8qBsNC4jIk
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Re: Sega Ringwide loader- Sega Racing Classic AKA Daytona playable
« Reply #44 on: August 30, 2017, 03:47:14 pm »
hi trying to get inital d working on win 7 64 bit all other games work but inital d starts and looks like it going to work then goes back to menu  :dunno
sorted now working

Can you remember what you had to do to get it working? It worked for me in an older version, but I'm getting the same thing with it going back to the menu here. I can't remember if there was something special you needed to do to get it to load.

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« Reply #45 on: August 30, 2017, 05:53:55 pm »
Howard, since reaver doesn't seem that keen on getting outputs going. Do you think we could make a program to output them via memory addresses or such? Teknoparrot gets updated but it still only loads the same sega rally 3 exe the whole time

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« Reply #46 on: August 31, 2017, 06:31:40 am »
inital d 6 doing same now going back to menu
i also cant get sega rally 3 to play says Failed to pass vista Verify Access, parental control

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« Reply #47 on: August 31, 2017, 11:37:27 am »
inital d 6 doing same now going back to menu
i also cant get sega rally 3 to play says Failed to pass vista Verify Access, parental control

Are you using Windows 7? If so you need a special modified EXE file to get SR3 running.

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Re: Sega Ringwide loader- Sega Racing Classic AKA Daytona playable
« Reply #48 on: August 31, 2017, 01:23:13 pm »
hi yes using win 7 i struggling to find the exe
there a file out for initald 6 that makes it boot on this version

thanks for that did the trick  :)
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Re: Sega Ringwide loader- Sega Racing Classic AKA Daytona playable
« Reply #49 on: August 31, 2017, 10:15:18 pm »
Any word on where networking is up to? Working for Daytona, but not for Initial D 6? I really want it for Sega Rally 3 tho...

EDIT: wait, so SR3 networking doe work? That's awesome. Is it really as simple as setting the options like in post #19?
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Re: Sega Ringwide loader- Sega Racing Classic AKA Daytona playable
« Reply #50 on: August 31, 2017, 10:43:27 pm »
Only working for Sega Rally 3 I believe

I tried out 4 player of it last night it worked well

None of the ring games work including sega racing classic

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Re: Sega Ringwide loader- Sega Racing Classic AKA Daytona playable
« Reply #51 on: September 01, 2017, 07:03:28 pm »
Only working for Sega Rally 3 I believe

I tried out 4 player of it last night it worked well

None of the ring games work including sega racing classic

Is there some kind of a guide to getting networking running on SR3 or did you just figure it out yourself? I'd love to get a network running on this but after my abject failure to get a 2 player Chase HQ 2 game running I'm not sure how successful I'll be...

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Re: Sega Ringwide loader- Sega Racing Classic AKA Daytona playable
« Reply #52 on: September 01, 2017, 07:47:22 pm »
its pretty easy

goto ShellData folder then ShellData.ini

and then make sure it has

**FOR PC#1**
[Network]
CabinetID=1
Enabled=1

**FOR PC#2**
[Network]
CabinetID=2
Enabled=1

etc etc

then allow firewall and you are good.

Ford Racing works too as I just did network on it

Under Data folder then gamesettings

**FOR PC#1**
CabinetPostion=1

**FOR PC#2**
CabinetPostion=2

load the game up and then escape after 30 seconds. Allow firewall and you will have a config file under FordRacing

[General]
DongleRegion=EXPORT
PcbRegion =EXPORT
FreePlay=1
[Network]
Dhcp=0
Ip=SET THIS TO YOUR IP eg 10.0.0.12
Mask=255.255.255.0
Gateway=SET THIS TO YOUR GATEWAY eg 10.0.0.1
Dns1=8.8.8.8
Dns2=8.8.4.4

dhcp might work too if you dont use static ip. Then just load game up on your pcs and goto multiplayer


As for ChaseHQ 2,

I recently got it going on formatted pcs and there was a bit of a hassle. Im on windows 10 64 bit latest updates

make sure you have DirectPlay installed on all pcs

right click start button and choose apps and features then up top right click on programs and features. Then click turn windows features on or off on the left side

goto Legacy components and click on DirectPlay and install on each pc

Right click on game.exe and run compatibility for windows xp service pack 2
Then load game on each pc and goto test menu and network settings and set up PC 1 as ID 1 and PC2 as ID 2. Follow the steps it says on PC2 first then do PC1. Load game up and then escape out

finally load game on both pcs and it should connect


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Re: Sega Ringwide loader- Sega Racing Classic AKA Daytona playable
« Reply #53 on: September 03, 2017, 06:00:22 pm »
Thanks for the info mate, I'll have to give it a try. In the meantime here's a video I made comparing SR3 to Sega Rally Online Arcade, to highlights just how much of a difference the 60fps makes.

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« Reply #54 on: September 03, 2017, 08:42:35 pm »
Watched it yesterday mate.

Quality stuff as always  :cheers:

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« Reply #55 on: September 03, 2017, 10:10:56 pm »
Yeah love watching those vids.

And thanks for the advice, Boomslang, I'll give it a go.

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« Reply #56 on: September 04, 2017, 03:10:52 pm »
 :cheers: Cheers fellas!

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« Reply #57 on: September 04, 2017, 06:08:43 pm »
Version 1.01 is out

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« Reply #58 on: September 04, 2017, 07:28:35 pm »
Does anyone notice low/inconsistent frame rates in sonic racing? At least when starting out the whale lagoon course. It becomes less of an issue in future laps but my eyes are uncomfortable for the beginning of the race due to the frame rate. I've tried on a few different computers but it's an issue on all of them for me, just to different extents.

Edit: not specific to the newest version.

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« Reply #59 on: September 07, 2017, 01:23:18 pm »
Is anyone interested in putting together a bounty / increased Patreon support to encourage the team to support networking and ffb for ringwide/ringedge sooner rather than later? I'm patreoning $50 already, but if others can get in (either one-time or also part of patreon), I'd be willing to increase my own contribution if necessary. I can talk to reaver about it offline if people are willing to give it a go, and we could perhaps be very encouraging as a single group, together...

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« Reply #60 on: September 08, 2017, 02:15:15 am »
Not loading games for me at all. Tries to start and the window just goes away. The setting program won't save, to begin with.

Anyone on Win 7 running without issues? My setup isn't on SP1 even, it's not networked.

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« Reply #61 on: September 08, 2017, 07:35:07 pm »
Not loading games for me at all. Tries to start and the window just goes away. The setting program won't save, to begin with.

Anyone on Win 7 running without issues? My setup isn't on SP1 even, it's not networked.

Have you installed com0com, net framework 452, dx9c? .NET is especially important - I think that's your issue.


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Re: Sega Ringwide loader- Sega Racing Classic AKA Daytona playable
« Reply #62 on: September 09, 2017, 04:23:14 pm »
Does anyone notice low/inconsistent frame rates in sonic racing? At least when starting out the whale lagoon course. It becomes less of an issue in future laps but my eyes are uncomfortable for the beginning of the race due to the frame rate. I've tried on a few different computers but it's an issue on all of them for me, just to different extents.

Edit: not specific to the newest version.

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Within the Sonic & Sega All-Star Racing folder go to your settings.ini file and change these settings:

SCREEN_WIDTH=(your native screen resolution width) 1920
SCREEN_HEIGHT=(your native screen resolution height) 1080
WINDOWED=1
VSYNC=0

The play the game with no slowdown :)

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Re: Sega Ringwide loader- Sega Racing Classic AKA Daytona playable
« Reply #63 on: September 09, 2017, 07:11:40 pm »
well that would just force the game to run at more then 60fps if your card allows it plus introduce screen tearing most likely
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« Reply #64 on: September 10, 2017, 02:43:46 am »
Have you installed com0com, net framework 452, dx9c? .NET is especially important - I think that's your issue.

I think i went for .net 4.0... I'll update and give it another go, thanks for the tip.

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« Reply #65 on: September 10, 2017, 11:52:06 am »
Anyone on Win 7 running without issues? My setup isn't on SP1 even, it's not networked.

Yup, I'm using Windows 7, I don't think I needed to do anything extra special to get this running (apart from having to use a special Windows 7 specific EXE for Sega Rally 3 to run that I mentioned above). Have you tried an older version of Teknoparrot to see if that works? I believe 1.0 had some issues with a lot of the other games (which I couldn't comment on myself as Sega Rally 3 is the only game I play on it. As I also mentioned above Intial D didn't want to work for me on 1.0 after previously working OK on 0.8 -  Pooterman pointed me in the direction of some additional files to get it working, but I must confess I haven't tried them out yet).
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Re: Sega Ringwide loader- Sega Racing Classic AKA Daytona playable
« Reply #66 on: September 18, 2017, 06:17:50 pm »
Within the Sonic & Sega All-Star Racing folder go to your settings.ini file and change these settings:

SCREEN_WIDTH=(your native screen resolution width) 1920
SCREEN_HEIGHT=(your native screen resolution height) 1080
WINDOWED=1
VSYNC=0

The play the game with no slowdown :)

Thanks, unfortunately that wasn't it. It's been alright most of the time, but it actually was super choppy yesterday. Again, it's fine after a race or so. But the start of some races can be awful. It's running on an i5-7500 & 1050 Ti so the hardware shouldn't be an issue.

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Re: Sega Ringwide loader- Sega Racing Classic AKA Daytona playable
« Reply #67 on: September 21, 2017, 04:58:16 pm »
Thanks for the info mate, I'll have to give it a try. In the meantime here's a video I made comparing SR3 to Sega Rally Online Arcade, to highlights just how much of a difference the 60fps makes.

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Thanks for the video, but the framerate really doesn't seem to make much of a difference to me, as long as the gameplay is the same.
Sure it looks better, but when you're driving, you're not concentrating on the visuals.

To me, i rank them:
===========================
Sega rally revo (PC) with a graphics card
sega rally revo (xbox 360)
sega rally online (xbox 360) - sega rally 3 (arcade)


i haven't tried the emulated sega rally 3 yet, so i won't comment on that.

but it will be less than revo, because it's a watered down version, that suits the arcade mode.

i remember the pc version of sega rally 2 was so much better than the arcade, because it had the 10 year mode.
in that case also, the pc version was better.

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Re: Sega Ringwide loader- Sega Racing Classic AKA Daytona playable
« Reply #68 on: September 21, 2017, 06:16:15 pm »
More like revo is a watered down version of 3 mate

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Re: Sega Ringwide loader- Sega Racing Classic AKA Daytona playable
« Reply #69 on: September 21, 2017, 09:27:49 pm »
More like revo is a watered down version of 3 mate

Nah, no terrain deformation in SR3 ;)

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« Reply #70 on: September 21, 2017, 10:24:27 pm »
anyone know if they already fixed the graphics problems of sega racing classic and nvidia cards?

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« Reply #71 on: September 21, 2017, 10:50:29 pm »
Man I wanna work on this stuff so bad.  Atm all my consoles are throughout the house while I assemble my world of Nintendo cabinet and it looks like a bomb went off.  I'm hoping I can get things squared away soon and go back to the racing rig. 

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« Reply #72 on: September 22, 2017, 12:37:15 am »
More like revo is a watered down version of 3 mate

Nah, no terrain deformation in SR3 ;)

are you sure on that? I played it a couple weeks ago and did not notice that plus there is files which specifically say about track deformation in sega rally 3

plus 60>30 and you can play network which isnt possible with Revo

edit ** TrackDeform_data is a file in Sega Rally 3 so im almost certain it does have it and after watching a youtube video where it showed it
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Re: Sega Ringwide loader- Sega Racing Classic AKA Daytona playable
« Reply #73 on: September 22, 2017, 12:50:02 am »
anyone know if they already fixed the graphics problems of sega racing classic and nvidia cards?

No and they properly won't. It's been made for AMD shaders etc

They actually got lucky with Initial D 6 as that was just a fluke that idlogger fixed the issue for AMD users

*EDIT*

actually I think I read that RH Game loader fixes it for Advanced and Expert courses but not for Beginner
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Re: Sega Ringwide loader- Sega Racing Classic AKA Daytona playable
« Reply #74 on: September 26, 2017, 07:19:50 pm »
teknoparrot Nvidia fix  Sega Racing Classic

dirty solution ... but the error is clearly identified

the problem is that the "emulator" has a filter with a texture not compatible with amd. we would have to decompress the rom (textures.bin) and remove this texture and then re-compress it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmNOCCSb_1Y
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« Reply #75 on: September 26, 2017, 08:02:25 pm »
More like revo is a watered down version of 3 mate

Nah, no terrain deformation in SR3 ;)

are you sure on that? I played it a couple weeks ago and did not notice that plus there is files which specifically say about track deformation in sega rally 3

plus 60>30 and you can play network which isnt possible with Revo

edit ** TrackDeform_data is a file in Sega Rally 3 so im almost certain it does have it and after watching a youtube video where it showed it

i'm not sure what you are comparing, the pc version of revo can obviously do better the 30 fps, and with a better graphics card, better than 60fps.

also, sure there is no network play, but of course those versions had online play (i don't use network or online play for any of my racing games either)..


back to SR3 vs revo: revo has this,

revo
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There are 34 vehicles in total, which are divided into 3 groups: Premier Class (4WD cars), Modified Class (2WD & Super 2000 cars) and Master Class (mostly classic rally cars). There are also several bonus cars - such as Dakar rally types, hill climbers, buggies, etc. - in every class, which can be unlocked with points one as you progress through Championship Mode, plus an overall bonus car for getting 100% in championship mode. The (non-bonus) cars each have 3 different liveries and all have 2 setups. The setup is either off road, with better grip on loose surfaces, or tarmac, with higher top speed and more grip on hard surfaces. The different environments all feature three tracks (of which some can also be raced in reverse direction - at a different time of day) except for the bonus environment Lakeside that only has a single race track, and again are unlocked as you progress through Championship Mode.

Across the three championships that you have to play through (Premier, Modified, Masters), there are a 16 unique tracks spread across the game's 108 races, with reverse versions of another eight of those. Set over five environment types (Alpine, Canyon, Arctic, Safari and Tropical),

sr3
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Sega Rally 3 contains three racing modes: World Championship, Quick Race and Classic. World Championship mode is a single player game which takes place across three stages (Tropical, Canyon and Alpine) and largely follows the format of the previous Sega Rally arcade games. The game is a 22 car race played to a time limit, and the player's starting position for one race is determined by their finishing position in the previous race. Unlike the previous games in the series, each race contains two laps. If the player finishes the third stage in first place, they are able to play a head to head race on the bonus Lakeside track.

so yeah, sr3 is Watered down.

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« Reply #76 on: September 26, 2017, 08:25:19 pm »
Turns out sega rally online is better than sega rally 3 also:

online:
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The game will feature 13 cars and 6-player online racing, as well as Championship and Time Attack modes.

so sega rally revo > sega rally online > sega rally 3

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« Reply #77 on: September 27, 2017, 03:24:03 am »
Keep telling yourself that :dunno :laugh2:

Handling is revo is completely different to 3 and not in a better way

Also no online arcade is not superior it is limited to 30 fps

But I'm not going to argue with you on an opinion

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« Reply #78 on: September 27, 2017, 05:44:26 am »
teknoparrot AMD fix  Sega Racing Classic

dirty solution ... but the error is clearly identified

the problem is that the "emulator" has a filter with a texture not compatible with amd. we would have to decompress the rom (textures.bin) and remove this texture and then re-compress it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmNOCCSb_1Y

Amd works fine with the game.  It's nvidia which has issues

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« Reply #79 on: September 27, 2017, 07:12:22 am »
Keep telling yourself that :dunno :laugh2:

Handling is revo is completely different to 3 and not in a better way

Also no online arcade is not superior it is limited to 30 fps

But I'm not going to argue with you on an opinion

^This. Revo may have a ton of extra content compared to SR3, but the game has got seriously odd handling. Some people seem to get on OK with it, but I hated it personally, to the extent I played the game a few times and then gave up on it. What SR3 lacks in content compared to Revo it makes up for by greatly (in my opinion) improved, proper arcade racer style handling, making the game enjoyable to play. Online Arcade might have a a couple of extra bonus cars compared to SR3, but SR3 wins again here by sheer virtue of the facts it's 60fps and Online Arcade is 30fps.

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« Reply #80 on: September 27, 2017, 08:10:16 am »
Keep telling yourself that :dunno :laugh2:

Handling is revo is completely different to 3 and not in a better way

Also no online arcade is not superior it is limited to 30 fps

But I'm not going to argue with you on an opinion

^This. Revo may have a ton of extra content compared to SR3, but the game has got seriously odd handling. Some people seem to get on OK with it, but I hated it personally, to the extent I played the game a few times and then gave up on it. What SR3 lacks in content compared to Revo it makes up for by greatly (in my opinion) improved, proper arcade racer style handling, making the game enjoyable to play. Online Arcade might have a a couple of extra bonus cars compared to SR3, but SR3 wins again here by sheer virtue of the facts it's 60fps and Online Arcade is 30fps.

You tell em! I knew as soon as I saw that post you were gonna set em straight. lol.

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« Reply #81 on: September 27, 2017, 08:20:51 pm »
Yeah, Revo is ok, but has very, very sensitive steering.

In other news you can change the SR3 ini to 640x480 resolution! I think this means it will work on 15kHz screens, read old arcade driving setups, though i've only tested this on my desktop setup on an LCD, not my actual arcade setups.

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« Reply #82 on: September 30, 2017, 12:44:21 pm »
Keep telling yourself that :dunno :laugh2:

Handling is revo is completely different to 3 and not in a better way

Also no online arcade is not superior it is limited to 30 fps

But I'm not going to argue with you on an opinion

^This. Revo may have a ton of extra content compared to SR3, but the game has got seriously odd handling. Some people seem to get on OK with it, but I hated it personally, to the extent I played the game a few times and then gave up on it. What SR3 lacks in content compared to Revo it makes up for by greatly (in my opinion) improved, proper arcade racer style handling, making the game enjoyable to play. Online Arcade might have a a couple of extra bonus cars compared to SR3, but SR3 wins again here by sheer virtue of the facts it's 60fps and Online Arcade is 30fps.

You tell em! I knew as soon as I saw that post you were gonna set em straight. lol.

Well, you know me too well mate  ;) I try not to be too overbearing about these things, as everyone has different tastes, but one thing I do feel very strongly about is the importance of racing games running at 60fps. I'd rather have less graphical detail in the game as a whole, if it mean keeping it 60fps, than a lavish 30fps racer - I think it's part of the reason all the old Sega Model 2 and 3 games still (to me anyway) look so good now, despite their aged hardware. Likewise, the way the game handles is equally important. A game may have a gazillion tons of content, but if I'm not having fun playing it it's pointless. I made the mistake with Revo of getting a copy of the game on PC despite the fact I hadn't enjoyed the demo on PS3 at all, based purely on the Sega Rally name, thinking, "I'll like it if I just give it some time." Won't be making that mistake again.

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« Reply #83 on: September 30, 2017, 02:53:27 pm »
I'm fully with ya, they can add all the extra tracks and car skins they want. If you the game doesn't play well, forget it.

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Re: Sega Ringwide loader- Sega Racing Classic AKA Daytona playable
« Reply #84 on: October 01, 2017, 08:26:50 pm »
Handling is revo is completely different to 3 and not in a better way

^This. Revo may have a ton of extra content compared to SR3, but the game has got seriously odd handling. Some people seem to get on OK with it, but I hated it personally, to the extent I played the game a few times and then gave up on it. What SR3 lacks in content compared to Revo it makes up for by greatly (in my opinion) improved, proper arcade racer style handling, making the game enjoyable to play. Online Arcade might have a a couple of extra bonus cars compared to SR3, but SR3 wins again here by sheer virtue of the facts it's 60fps and Online Arcade is 30fps.

Hey guys, I don't want to get into the topic of which game is better, but really curious about what's your feeling about the difference in handling. Is that something than can be explained in words?

Mainly asking because I started with Sega Rally Revo on PC a while ago and I was fine, then I saw the Sega Rally 3 version on Teknoparrot and I played it once only, but because it didn't have force feedback, I went back to Sega Rally Revo. However, in the few races I didn't in Sega Rally 3, I didn't notice any difference. Not that I was paying attention or that I knew they were handling different, but what's that difference to pay attention next time?

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Re: Sega Ringwide loader- Sega Racing Classic AKA Daytona playable
« Reply #85 on: October 02, 2017, 07:15:15 am »
I'm having trouble with this again. Changed to a windows 10 setup, and com0com installed, JVS emulation tests ok, but when i click to load SR3, the loader comes up, then the tiny gamerunning window, the text describing what's going on, then the "Racing" window opens up, but it's tiny and in the top left, and after a minute says "not responding" and then goes away, as do the JVs and gamerunning windows, leaving only the dumbJVSmanager window. I've tried both the original and hacked exe's, set a resolution my screen can handle, changed to windowed mode 1 ...and what else do i need to do?

Oh, and when I click the SR3 window outside teknoparrot, the game does launch, shows the mudsplatter but just keeps repeating that, won't go any further. No sound at all. I note on UK arcades video it does the opposite- no video but with sound...does it do that for anyone else?

Any ideas about what to try?
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Re: Sega Ringwide loader- Sega Racing Classic AKA Daytona playable
« Reply #86 on: October 02, 2017, 03:43:28 pm »
mickael28, just play the two games back-to-back and you'll notice the difference. Revo is far more slippery feeling.

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Re: Sega Ringwide loader- Sega Racing Classic AKA Daytona playable
« Reply #87 on: October 02, 2017, 04:40:44 pm »
mickael28, just play the two games back-to-back and you'll notice the difference. Revo is far more slippery feeling.

I always noticed Revo really slippery yes, although I thought that was the way all those games were. I'll have a look to SR3 when I've got the chance, not likely in the near future though...Thanks

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Re: Sega Ringwide loader- Sega Racing Classic AKA Daytona playable
« Reply #88 on: October 09, 2017, 04:11:17 pm »
Oh, and when I click the SR3 window outside teknoparrot, the game does launch, shows the mudsplatter but just keeps repeating that, won't go any further. No sound at all. I note on UK arcades video it does the opposite- no video but with sound...does it do that for anyone else?

I have video and no sound during the SR3 mudsplatter screen, but the rest of the game loads alright for me within about 5 seconds, also on w10 x64.

In other news, reaver said in his twitch stream today that once they get this ID card/link play out of the way, SRC and sonic racing multiplayer is up next.  :cheers:

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Re: Sega Ringwide loader- Sega Rally 3 - no controls
« Reply #89 on: November 06, 2017, 09:37:49 pm »
Ok, just to give it a chance, I am willing to try Sega Rally 3, and see how it plays.

Got it up and running (but not in teknoparrot 0.8, 1.03 or 1.06 - won't start)... Frame rate is good, resolution is modified to ultrawide screen. 2560x1080

No sound [Fixed by setting in ini file], but most problematic, no controls work.
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Keyboard doesnt work. Tried all the keys.
Xbox 360 controller doesn't work.
USB joystick with xinput doesn't work.

There is no response from the game whatsoever. Any ideas?
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I saw an area in the ini files for game controller, but don't know what to set it to,

I'm running windows 7 64 bit, pro version.

thanks, and if i can get it working, i can give my impressions of the gameplay and control.

I have gone back to sega rally revo on the xbox 360 after several years, and am now a lot better at it, and noticing the difference in
car handling in all the models and what the tracks are like. so i think it will be fairly easy to play the arcade version even if the AI
is set to hard mode.

later
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Re: Sega Ringwide loader- Sega Racing Classic AKA Daytona playable
« Reply #90 on: November 17, 2017, 09:11:37 pm »
Ok, just an update on this.

Still haven't gotten it working yet:
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tried older versions - no luck
different controllers - nope

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the furthest i got was:
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windows 10 on different computer
version 1.06
Dumbjvmsmanager now works - can save settings properly, and identifies xbox 360 controller

replaced rally3 exe with a working one - everything starts up, but game does not load
[game starts up when exe is run directly]

ford racing - game crashes on opening

my old setup
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windows 7 64 bit

dumbjvmsmanager - can't save settings, always gets an error = i tried hardcoding values but no luck
sometimes the program crashes when you go into settings, and says it stopped working

the directx drop down does not identify the controller, no matter what settings or controllers i use,
even though windows 7 recognizes them.


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getting closer, but still no luck..

if anyone can recommend a controller, or settings, maybe i can try those.

thanks

later
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Re: Sega Ringwide loader- Sega Racing Classic AKA Daytona playable
« Reply #91 on: November 18, 2017, 01:24:22 am »
Just jump on the teknogods discord server man and they will sort you out

  
 

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