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KADE miniArcade 2.0 beta release
mrchrister:
Awesome, thats helpful thanks! I will just get a second Micro Pro for Player 2, that makes it easy..
gazz292:
I'm building a couple of input devices for a bus simulator, they will be seen as joystick buttons by the pc, but for one i need 26 buttons, and another i need 35 joystick button inputs.
i still have the original KADE Loader software on my laptop,band i have about 20 minimus boards that were for use with the original KADE, but they can only handle 19 button inputs i think (maybe more with the shifted functions)
Way back when the first KADE kickstarter project was active, the writer of it (went under the name Degenatrons i think??) sent me a code that allowed i think 32 buttons using a matrix, but it ran slowly on the minimus boards (like had to hold down a button for a second for it to be picked up)
Anyhoo, i've found this KADE 2, but when i try to download the programming software, the links are dead, google drive bit says its in the owners trash, and cant be seen, and other links that should go to the main page to download the program instead go to [a webcam spam site]!!
Would it even be possible to have a single joystick that has 35 buttons show up in windows? (i guess i could use 32 joystick buttons plus use the 4 way hat switch buttons for my other 3 inputs i need for the ticket machine?)
But where can i download the KADE2 loader stuff from nowadays?
PL1:
--- Quote from: gazz292 on February 06, 2021, 10:45:07 am ---I'm building a couple of input devices for a bus simulator, they will be seen as joystick buttons by the pc, but for one i need 26 buttons, and another i need 35 joystick button inputs.
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That's a lot of inputs for one joypad. :o
--- Quote from: gazz292 on February 06, 2021, 10:45:07 am ---i still have the original KADE Loader software on my laptop,band i have about 20 minimus boards that were for use with the original KADE, but they can only handle 19 button inputs i think (maybe more with the shifted functions)
Way back when the first KADE kickstarter project was active, the writer of it (went under the name Degenatrons i think??) sent me a code that allowed i think 32 buttons using a matrix, but it ran slowly on the minimus boards (like had to hold down a button for a second for it to be picked up)
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For your 26 button encoder, you can use the 32 button "USB/HID Buttons Only (Beta)" firmware on a Minimus.
- If your version of Loader doesn't have that firmware, LMK and I'll upload a copy of v1.1.3.1.
- Wire the 20 un-shifted inputs normally like the two on the top left in this diagram.
- Wire the 6 shifted buttons using blocking diodes like the two on the right. Shazaaam! is the shift key, same as HWB.
--- Quote from: gazz292 on February 06, 2021, 10:45:07 am ---Anyhoo, i've found this KADE 2, but when i try to download the programming software, the links are dead, google drive bit says its in the owners trash, and cant be seen, and other links that should go to the main page to download the program instead go to [a webcam spam site]!!
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The KADE forums have been hacked/hijacked several times, the latest time was around 6 months ago.
- I haven't heard from Bruno yet if he intends to try to regain control of the domain and restore the forums, but that does not appear to be a likely option at this time. :badmood:
I just e-mailed him asking for copies of the Mac and Ubuntu packages and will try to find someplace to host these large files. (58MB for the Windows version)
For now, I've uploaded the Windows version to Sendspace.
- IIRC, this link will be good for 30 days.
https://www.sendspace.com/file/fbzg13
--- Quote from: gazz292 on February 06, 2021, 10:45:07 am ---Would it even be possible to have a single joystick that has 35 buttons show up in windows? (i guess i could use 32 joystick buttons plus use the 4 way hat switch buttons for my other 3 inputs i need for the ticket machine?)
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The HID limit is 32 buttons, but you should be able to use hat switch or D-pad inputs for the other three if you find the right hardware/firmware.
- Unfortunately, there are no firmwares in the original KADE miniArcade or KADE miniArcade 2.0 that will handle that combination in a single gamepad. :(
Tripped over this project -- it might work for your 35 input encoder. :dunno
https://github.com/FreeJoy-Team/FreeJoy
Scott
gazz292:
Awesome, thanks for that, i've got the kade 2 downloaded now,
I do have that 32 buttons only thing in the original kade, thanks for reminding me of this,
Wonder if it's possible to add the 4 way hat switch input to that button map somehow, tho TBH i have about 20 minimum32 boards, so i may as well just split the ticket printers keypad in half electrically, and have 2 joypad button inputs for it,
I remember with the original Kade if you were good enough at programming you could edit the hex files and do almost anything, an lcd output was possible at one point, along with the matrix input that i had (but cant find anymore)
that freejoy looks interesting, i have a couple of STM32 boards i can play with... bought them for a part later on in my simulator project when i get to the force feedback steering wheel, and i need 6 turns lock to lock which the EMC FFB project allows.
PL1:
--- Quote from: gazz292 on February 06, 2021, 05:52:01 pm ---I do have that 32 buttons only thing in the original kade, thanks for reminding me of this,
Wonder if it's possible to add the 4 way hat switch input to that button map somehow, tho TBH i have about 20 minimum32 boards, so i may as well just split the ticket printers keypad in half electrically, and have 2 joypad button inputs for it,
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If the simulator software can accept inputs from several gamepads, that might be the easy way to go.
- The problem that might arise with that approach is the controller renumbering issue in Windows.
--- Quote from: gazz292 on February 06, 2021, 05:52:01 pm ---I remember with the original Kade if you were good enough at programming you could edit the hex files and do almost anything, an lcd output was possible at one point, along with the matrix input that i had (but cant find anymore)
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If you have a copy of the KADE Loader source code (LMK if you want/need it) and you're good with Python, you could probably copy the extra buttons code from the the "USB/HID Buttons Only" firmware to the "USB/HID Joystick Encoder" firmware, reassign some input ports, make sure the extra buttons are added to the KADE's USB HID report(?), and compile a custom firmware or you might want to copy the D-pad code to the 32 button firmware so the new firmware doesn't have the code for a simulated analog stick on A1-A4. :dunno
That would use 37 of the possible 39 inputs -- IIRC shifted input B7(?) is reserved for Shift Lock.
- 4 for D-pad
- 32 for buttons
- 1 for HWB
Scott