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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the SNES — SNES Classic Edition
« Reply #280 on: November 16, 2017, 07:10:26 pm »
Looks promising.  Maybe this will eventually displace all those tired original Xboxes....

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I thought we did that with the wii? Or does emulation on there suck. No mame maybe? Never tried emulation on the wii.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the SNES — SNES Classic Edition
« Reply #281 on: November 16, 2017, 08:13:26 pm »
How beefy can the processor in the NES/SNES mini be? I’m kind of surprised that PlayStation games run on there. Although I suppose if they use the same hardware for a N64 mini it would have to be somewhat decent right?

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the SNES — SNES Classic Edition
« Reply #282 on: November 16, 2017, 08:27:07 pm »
How beefy can the processor in the NES/SNES mini be? I’m kind of surprised that PlayStation games run on there. Although I suppose if they use the same hardware for a N64 mini it would have to be somewhat decent right?

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the SNES — SNES Classic Edition
« Reply #283 on: November 16, 2017, 10:25:12 pm »
Thanks Malenko. Most of that is Greek to me. Any idea what systems could be emulated with those specs?

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the SNES — SNES Classic Edition
« Reply #284 on: November 17, 2017, 02:07:57 am »
Thanks Malenko. Most of that is Greek to me. Any idea what systems could be emulated with those specs?
Please forgive the RPi commentary.  This isn't a "go use a Pi" post, this is just using it as a measurement device for comparison's sake across generations.

The NES and SNES classic/mini consoles are roughly comparable to about a Raspberry Pi 2 for speed (difficult to compare 100%, as they're slightly different hardware).

This article shows a good comparison between the RPi2 and 3 - check the graphs about half way down:
https://www.raspberrypi.org/magpi/raspberry-pi-3-specs-benchmarks/

The RPi3 is *just* fast enough for Playstation and N64 emulation (depends on the title).  The RPi2 couldn't quite cut it.

So working backwards, very doubtful you'll get 3D/32bit consoles emulated on a hacked NES/SNES Classic/Mini without frameskipping (I'd want to see FPS ratings on anyone who's managed to try it out).  2D/16bit consoles and older, sure, no problems.
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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the SNES — SNES Classic Edition
« Reply #285 on: November 17, 2017, 06:34:31 am »
Thanks Elvis. That’s what I figured. Based off the video about adding memory via a USB stick, it looks like PS1 games will run on the hardware. However, you can’t really tell from that how well they run. If they do end up making a N64 mini it would be interesting to see if they upgrade the hardware.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the SNES — SNES Classic Edition
« Reply #286 on: November 17, 2017, 09:47:37 am »
PS1 was emulated 100% on an original Xbox, dude.   :lol

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the SNES — SNES Classic Edition
« Reply #287 on: November 20, 2017, 01:07:21 am »
If they do end up making a N64 mini it would be interesting to see if they upgrade the hardware.
Either that, or do HLE per title.  Just comes down to a business decision as to which method is cheaper for them in the long run.  Given Nintendo have quite a lot of investment in N64 software emulation on low-end hardware already via Wii Virtual Console (and even GameCube titles like the "Ocarina of Time" Zelda collection release), I'd guess they'd go for the HLE instead to keep hardware costs to a minimum, given their typical MO (emphasising - that's pure speculation on my behalf).

PS1 was emulated 100% on an original Xbox, dude.   :lol
Depends on your definition of 100%.  If all you care about is 60FPS at any level of accuracy, sure.  But emulation is more complex than that.  There are still glaring inaccuracies between Nintendo's own SNES Classic and real SNES hardware, but most folks don't care, and just want to play fun games that are "close enough" to what they remember.

Definitely not as black and white as "runs" vs "does not run".  There's infinite pedantry there if you want it.


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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the SNES — SNES Classic Edition
« Reply #288 on: November 20, 2017, 08:12:02 am »
If they do end up making a N64 mini it would be interesting to see if they upgrade the hardware.
Either that, or do HLE per title.  Just comes down to a business decision as to which method is cheaper for them in the long run.  Given Nintendo have quite a lot of investment in N64 software emulation on low-end hardware already via Wii Virtual Console (and even GameCube titles like the "Ocarina of Time" Zelda collection release), I'd guess they'd go for the HLE instead to keep hardware costs to a minimum, given their typical MO (emphasising - that's pure speculation on my behalf).


They might even go a stage further and just opt to do a straight port.

By the time the N64 came into existence, most games were predominantly being written in high level languages such as C & C++, and presumably Nintendo still has the source code somewhere. So, in principle, they do have the option of simply porting the games to more modern hardware. If they go down that route, then the games are pretty much guaranteed to run blindingly fast, regardless of which SOC they choose to use.

They’d also have the option of allowing the games to be run in an enhanced mode utilising the full power of a modern GPU (i.e. better frame rate, more polygons, more detailed textures, etc. but still essentially the same game). That could persuade people like me who think early 3D games have aged badly to buy one of the units.
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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the SNES — SNES Classic Edition
« Reply #289 on: November 22, 2017, 11:01:52 pm »
None of these are mine, unfortunately.  But I did trade services for smoked wings at Twin Peaks.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the SNES — SNES Classic Edition
« Reply #290 on: November 23, 2017, 04:58:26 pm »
If anyone in the UK is looking for one of these things, then I've noticed that someone is selling imported Super Famicom Classics on Ebay for £78.90 with free shipping.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nintendo-Classic-Mini-Super-Famicom-SFC-SNES-Console/122799535402?epid=27009030812&hash=item1c976c352a:g:lI4AAOSwiIxaA~Ob

If they're legit and genuinely being shipped from Ireland, then that's a pretty good deal. Most retailers are now selling them for at least £79.99, and that's assuming you can even find one.

Obviously, unless you speak Japanese, you'll need to reflash it with the European firmware, but that's not a big deal.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the SNES — SNES Classic Edition
« Reply #291 on: November 26, 2017, 02:38:46 am »
Best Buy had a stack of SNES mini's so I picked one up. They were keeping them behind the counter away from the ebay vultures.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the SNES — SNES Classic Edition
« Reply #292 on: November 26, 2017, 09:41:52 am »
I look for it anytime I'm in a store that sells it.  Haven't seen one besides the one I own.


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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the SNES — SNES Classic Edition
« Reply #293 on: November 26, 2017, 10:31:04 am »
Well, the problem is the first review Genesis units were crap, and not many people have reviewed the revised one.  I really wish someone would crack one open so we could see if they were hackable.  It's a nice game list but missing Streets of Rage 1-3 is borderline unforgivable.
I don't think they're hackable or at least nobody has tried. They use barrel style power connectors instead of micro-usb for power so it's not easy to hook up to a computer. A quick google search shows nothing coming up for "Genesis Flashback mod" or "Genesis Flashback hack."

Well apparently, they're based around a standard Rockchip SOC running a version of Android. Also, there's already a USB connector in the case that can be used to access the filesystem! So I think it's almost inevitable that they'll be hacked at some point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIAgzWNhIj4
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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the SNES — SNES Classic Edition
« Reply #294 on: November 26, 2017, 11:24:15 am »
OK. I've dug a bit deeper, and it appears that someone has already worked out how to hack the Sega Genesis Flashback HD, although the process is currently non-trivial.

http://atariage.com/forums/topic/266499-new-genesis-flashback/page-13#entry3895318
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« Reply #295 on: November 26, 2017, 09:18:44 pm »
That could be 99% automated provided some programmer takes an interest in it.

Seems like Sega has thoroughly saturated the market over the years, this isn't really getting my pulse up.


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« Reply #296 on: November 27, 2017, 12:37:53 am »
I brought my SNESC to the in-laws for Thanksgiving and it was a huge success! We played a bunch of Final Fight 3, Contra III, TMNT:TiT, and Super Mario World. We even played some epic Winner-Stays-On Dr.Mario (the updated one with the Tetris double-pack).

Greatness: Easy to pack, plug n’ play, easy to navigate the menu even for my 5 yo niece.
Not so great: short stock controller wires, no 4-player Super Bomberman.

For me Thanksgiving week justified my purchase of this thing. Normally I would pack my original console + upscaler, flash cart, and a bunch of controllers (and multi-tap), cables etc., haul it over to my family’s place, spend a little bit of time setting it up, having to be on-call for locating and switching games on the cart for them, as well as checking in on it periodically to ease my mind that the nieces didn’t ruin my collectible.
But the classic made things a hellava lot easier to break out some classic snes games in a big social setting.

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« Reply #297 on: November 27, 2017, 08:44:19 am »
$8 on a long HDMI cable and a long USB cable , now it sits on my coffee table instead of 3 feet from the TV
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« Reply #298 on: November 27, 2017, 10:01:44 am »
I brought my SNESC to the in-laws for Thanksgiving and it was a huge success! We played a bunch of Final Fight 3, Contra III, TMNT:TiT, and Super Mario World. We even played some epic Winner-Stays-On Dr.Mario (the updated one with the Tetris double-pack).

Greatness: Easy to pack, plug n’ play, easy to navigate the menu even for my 5 yo niece.
Not so great: short stock controller wires, no 4-player Super Bomberman.

For me Thanksgiving week justified my purchase of this thing. Normally I would pack my original console + upscaler, flash cart, and a bunch of controllers (and multi-tap), cables etc., haul it over to my family’s place, spend a little bit of time setting it up, having to be on-call for locating and switching games on the cart for them, as well as checking in on it periodically to ease my mind that the nieces didn’t ruin my collectible.
But the classic made things a hellava lot easier to break out some classic snes games in a big social setting.

Another Not so great - Having to spend time trying to find a few more systems for X-mas gifts after everyone decides they want one also !

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« Reply #299 on: November 27, 2017, 12:35:52 pm »
I got a couple of 10 foot extension cables for the controllers.  System resides under the TV and plugs into the USB port.  I never would have imagined having an HDMI input named "SUPERNES."


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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the SNES — SNES Classic Edition
« Reply #300 on: November 27, 2017, 02:51:39 pm »
Cool, I just ordered some of those 10' extension cables. I just picked the Amazon recommended ones on Prime.

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« Reply #301 on: November 28, 2017, 02:31:50 pm »
Cool, I just ordered some of those 10' extension cables. I just picked the Amazon recommended ones on Prime.

You guys think its worth $20 for the wireless snes controllers?

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« Reply #302 on: November 28, 2017, 04:29:02 pm »
I've got the 8bitdo versions, and they've been great on my Switch and Original SNES (with dongle). I haven't tried it out on this thing yet though. But I should probably pick up a couple retro receivers for it and find out how much lag is perceivable.

The thing is, I really like the quality of the controllers that came with the classic. They kinda feel better than the originals to me. Something about them feel more solid, and they have a slightly better grip due to the shell's texture. This is why I've been hesitant in getting the retro receiver for my 8bitdo controllers.

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« Reply #303 on: December 26, 2017, 01:50:03 am »
I just went for the extension cables. Works great. Played Christmas morning Mario cart! It was great!

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the SNES — SNES Classic Edition
« Reply #304 on: December 28, 2017, 04:51:15 pm »
I can confirm the 8bitdo snes controller works great on the snes classic.  No lag noticed so far. 

On a related note, does anyone know the best way to play bs zelda ancient stone tablets on snes classic without having to modify the saves for each different week?

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« Reply #306 on: January 01, 2018, 11:02:44 am »
I've been toying with the idea of buying one of these 8Bitdo controllers:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/8Bitdo-SF30-2-4G-Wireless-Gamepad-Retro-Controller-with-2-4G-Receiver-USB-C-Wireless-Gampads/32848591978.html?spm=2114.search0104.3.62.SCIEpN&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2_10152_10151_10065_10344_10068_10130_10324_10342_10547_10325_10343_51102_10340_10548_10341_10192_10190_10084_10083_10307_10301_10303_10059_10314_10184_10534_5790011_100031_10604_10103_10142,searchweb201603_25,ppcSwitch_5&algo_expid=d37a0284-0f35-4a7a-a2a8-13aeabdab5d1-8&algo_pvid=d37a0284-0f35-4a7a-a2a8-13aeabdab5d1&rmStoreLevelAB=5

They don't look like original SNES Gamepads (which doesn't really bother me). However, they come bundled with a receiver, so they appear to be a lot cheaper than the SNES Gamepad styled 8Bitdo controllers.

But I can't understand why they're so much cheaper. Am I missing something?

Probably because they are coming direct from a manufacturer in China not a reseller that adds in their profit margin - - Most things from ALiexpress are quite a bit cheaper than the same thing on Ebay/Amazon - Of course some of them are also unauthorized production that may be made by the same factory in after hours/production so the company who designed them may also not be getting their cut of the profit as well !

Als these are the cheaper 2.4GHZ. wireless models not hte Bluetooth models so are a bit cheaper anyway.

IF you're uncomfortable with Aliexpress - Ebay has the same 8Bitdo SN30 for $18 ( https://www.ebay.com/itm/8Bitdo-SN30-Pro-SF30-Pro-Bluetooth-Controller-Gamepad-w-Joystick-for-Android-PC/152847275387?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D41451%26meid%3D9d6bc6c45d79471da3642c296b89131c%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D162785049442&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851 ) - so you can use Paypal and/or Ebay's dispute proces if it doesn't arrive for some reason.
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« Reply #307 on: January 01, 2018, 11:37:44 am »
Probably because they are coming direct from a manufacturer in China not a reseller that adds in their profit margin - - Most things from ALiexpress are quite a bit cheaper than the same thing on Ebay/Amazon - Of course some of them are also unauthorized production that may be made by the same factory in after hours/production so the company who designed them may also not be getting their cut of the profit as well !

I was taking that into account. If you search Aliexpress for the SNES Gamepad styled 8Bitdo controllers, you'll see they cost at least as much, and don't come bundled with a receiver. And for some reason, the receivers are stupidly overpriced if you buy them separately.

You'll see the same pattern on Amazon and Ebay.

Als these are the cheaper 2.4GHZ. wireless models not hte Bluetooth models so are a bit cheaper anyway.

Interesting. The description actually says they're Bluetooth V2.1 compatible. Could that be why they're cheaper, and is it a problem? I don't know much about Bluetooth technology.
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« Reply #308 on: January 01, 2018, 01:17:05 pm »

Als these are the cheaper 2.4GHZ. wireless models not hte Bluetooth models so are a bit cheaper anyway.

Interesting. The description actually says they're Bluetooth V2.1 compatible. Could that be why they're cheaper, and is it a problem? I don't know much about Bluetooth technology.

Hmm - didn't notice that it said Bluetooth since - even the link says they are 2.4G wireless not bluetooth ( ie.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/8Bitdo-SF30-2-4G-Wireless-Gamepad-Retro-Controller-with-2-4G-Receiver-USB-C-Wireles )

But yeah the 2.4G wireless come with the receiver and are cheaper than the Bluetooth version (SN of SF are 2.4G where SN Pro and SF Pro are bluetooth  and do not include the Receiver since anything you are using them on most likely already has Bluetooth compatibility (except the SNES MINI which needs the special receiver ! )

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« Reply #309 on: January 01, 2018, 01:55:02 pm »
Aliexpress sellers tend to have a very cavalier attitude towards describing their products, and I'm beginning to suspect that in this case the description is just plain wrong, and the controller is not Bluetooth compatible after all. Some of the Ebay sellers are also describing the controller as Bluetooth compatible. However, that doesn't necessarity mean anything as Chinese sellers often blindly cut'n'paste from one another.

Unfortunately, if I can't get definite confirmation that the controller is Bluetooth compatible then that's a dealbreaker for me as I also want to use it with my tablet and Pi.
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« Reply #310 on: January 01, 2018, 04:10:54 pm »
Aliexpress sellers tend to have a very cavalier attitude towards describing their products, and I'm beginning to suspect that in this case the description is just plain wrong, and the controller is not Bluetooth compatible after all. Some of the Ebay sellers are also describing the controller as Bluetooth compatible. However, that doesn't necessarity mean anything as Chinese sellers often blindly cut'n'paste from one another.

Unfortunately, if I can't get definite confirmation that the controller is Bluetooth compatible then that's a dealbreaker for me as I also want to use it with my tablet and Pi.

Yeah the listings sometimes lose a bit of information in the translations - Does 8 bitdo have a website that describes the various products they make ? - Might be able to refer to it to see if there are ones that are or are not bluetooth compatible.

EDIT : HEre's their page on the sn and sf 30's - They do not mention Bluetooth anywhere on those products so I do not think they are bluetooth and they actually mention USB connectivity for the Pi etc. so pretty sure they would mention Bluetooth for them if they had it ! ( http://www.8bitdo.com/sn30-sf30-2_4g-for-snes-and-sfc-classic-edition/ )

But that does add a bit to the confusion as it says

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Connectivity
2.4G Wireless Technology for SNES/SFC Classic Edition.
USB connection for Windows, macOS, Raspberry Pi, Android and more.

So does that mean it comes with a USB adapter for the receiver connection so it can be used wirelessly with the PI etc. - Or do you have to use them wired ??  :dunno
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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the SNES — SNES Classic Edition
« Reply #311 on: January 02, 2018, 12:20:24 pm »
I picked up one of these at Best Buy yesterday when I saw they had some in customer service.  Haven't decided if I'm going to keep it yet as it was a bit of an impulse purchase. 

Have you noticed any lag issues?  A buddy of mine has the NES Classic and swears it is laggy on some games.


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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the SNES — SNES Classic Edition
« Reply #312 on: January 02, 2018, 12:47:54 pm »
I picked up one of these at Best Buy yesterday when I saw they had some in customer service.  Haven't decided if I'm going to keep it yet as it was a bit of an impulse purchase. 

Have you noticed any lag issues?  A buddy of mine has the NES Classic and swears it is laggy on some games.

Tell him to set his TV to Game Mode.
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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the SNES — SNES Classic Edition
« Reply #313 on: January 02, 2018, 01:01:37 pm »
I picked up one of these at Best Buy yesterday when I saw they had some in customer service.  Haven't decided if I'm going to keep it yet as it was a bit of an impulse purchase. 

Have you noticed any lag issues?  A buddy of mine has the NES Classic and swears it is laggy on some games.

I swear some people detect lag when little or none exists.  If it isn't in the tv then it's in his head. 

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the SNES — SNES Classic Edition
« Reply #314 on: January 02, 2018, 01:57:32 pm »
Good to hear.  I'm leaning towards keeping this thing and hacking it to play more games. 

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the SNES — SNES Classic Edition
« Reply #315 on: January 16, 2018, 01:00:06 pm »
Have a new link?

Your link is down. ;D

IT linked to a seller of the SN/SF 30s on Aliexpress - IF you search 8bitdo sf30 from the main page it will list several with the $18.99 price ( https://www.aliexpress.com/ ) Like these https://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?catId=0&initiative_id=SB_20180116095946&SearchText=8bitdo+sf30

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the SNES — SNES Classic Edition
« Reply #316 on: January 31, 2018, 11:29:16 am »
So... I was waiting all this time to hack the snes because I didn't want to do it twice and was enamoured with the thought of the hack supporting USB memory sticks for memory expansion.  I know, really we probably won't touch 99.9% of the roms we add but you know how it is...  anyway, the long wait was for the USB OTG micros-USB adapter to come in from a slow boat whichapparently originated from Vietnam.

Well two days ago, after a two + month trip, it finally came in :)

Unfortunately as I plugged the SOB in, I can see the adapter covers the hdmi port, they sent a righty instead of a lefty :(

Feck it, I want to use this thing so normal hack will do.  Because so many mention how Nintendo's own NES emulator seems to have a little less lag with emulating nes games, I decided to try the dual boot mod and I can state it works like a charm, when in snes mode, it's the exact same interface as the snesmini, but when in nes mode, then the interface and default games match the nesmini.  Brilliant if somewhat a bit of a pain when you want to switch back and forth (you hand to load the system as a game, then it reboots in that mode)

Anyway very impressed with this little device.  Superb usual Nintendo polish, and also impressed with the hackers and their own level of polish.  Glad I got it.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the SNES — SNES Classic Edition
« Reply #317 on: January 31, 2018, 11:42:21 am »
Boot it into NES mode, turn it off, hook up to your PC.  That's how you flash more NES games onto it.

I've got 89 SNES games and the complete NES library with plenty of space leftover for save states.


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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the SNES — SNES Classic Edition
« Reply #318 on: January 31, 2018, 12:02:10 pm »
Boot it into NES mode, turn it off, hook up to your PC.  That's how you flash more NES games onto it.

I've got 89 SNES games and the complete NES library with plenty of space leftover for save states.

Also IIRC There are 2 ways to set up the dual boot and only one allows you to add games to both sides of the dual boot that way - for the other you have to add the games in a different method rather than using hakchi.

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Re: Nintendo is bringing back the SNES — SNES Classic Edition
« Reply #319 on: January 31, 2018, 02:57:34 pm »
Boot it into NES mode, turn it off, hook up to your PC.  That's how you flash more NES games onto it.

I've got 89 SNES games and the complete NES library with plenty of space leftover for save states.

Yep, works fine.  For some reason, my custom folders don`t seem to want to stick on the nes side but the autosplit works fine.  I found that odd but then, I realized I really don`t care how it splits it so I`m fine with the way it works

  
 

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