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Bartop Build using Haruman Widescreen 2p
« on: March 25, 2017, 09:58:23 pm »
This is my second start at building a cab.  My first attempt got derailed by other projects and a second kid, etc...  :blah:

Now that my daughter is getting older, I'm re-motivated.  Since the woodworking what was deterred me the first time, I decided to find a kit to use.  I recently pulled the trigger on a Haruman Widescreen Bartop 2p (http://shop.harumancustoms.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=59&product_id=51) in black melamine.  It will be a few weeks before it arrives, but I thought I'd start a build thread in the meantime.

If anyone here has built one of these and have any recommendations on hardware, I'm all ears!

Project Specs (I'll update this list as I finalize decisions):

Cabinet
Kit: Haruman Widescreen Bartop 2p (http://shop.harumancustoms.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=59&product_id=51)
Graphics: TBD
T-Molding: TBD
Bezel: TBD
Marquee Lights: TBD

Control Panel:
Joysticks: TBD
Buttons: TBD
'Extra' buttons n' switches: TBD
Encoder: TBD

PC and Peripherals:
PC Specs: HP Desktop w 6200 Intel Core i3 2100 (3.10 GHz) 4 GB DDR3 500 GB HDD Intel HD Graphics 2000 Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit TBD
Monitor: TBD

Audio
Amp: Pyle PTA1 15w Stereo Amp (http://www.parts-express.com/pyle-pta1-mini-2x15w-stereo-amplifier--310-2046)
Speakers: TBD

Software:
Frontend: HyperSpin
Emulators: TBD

The world is my oyster.   :applaud:
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Re: Bartop Build using Haruman Widescreen 2p
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2017, 11:00:20 pm »
HaRuMaN kits are awesome I'm sure you will like it! Any ideas on a theme or what you would like it to run?

Pyle amps sound better than kinter to me check out the build I did using one of HaRuMaN kits

I'll be finishing it soon.

Also try theses speakers maybe or look into them they sound great and didn't break the bank

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001RNNX80/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_apa_u9Y1ybDT5P8EH

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Re: Bartop Build using Haruman Widescreen 2p
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2017, 11:07:29 pm »
First things first - I need a PC to run with this.  I don't know how much room I've got to work with in the bowels of this thing.  If anyone here has experience, chime in.

I'd like to run Hyperspin. 
I'm frugal (read: cheap).
I'm looking to run MAME, Atari, NES, SNES, Genesis.  No arcade games newer than MK3. 

Think any of these would work?
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883282052
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Re: Bartop Build using Haruman Widescreen 2p
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2017, 11:14:46 pm »
HaRuMaN kits are awesome I'm sure you will like it! Any ideas on a theme or what you would like it to run?

Pyle amps sound better than kinter to me....

Also try theses speakers maybe or look into them they sound great and didn't break the bank

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001RNNX80/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_apa_u9Y1ybDT5P8EH
Nice and thanks!  Audio restoration is my main hobby, so the Pyle is something I've got sitting around in a pile of gear.  I'll hack the volume pot so it's accessible from the cabinet somewhere.

For the theme, I really like simple retro designs.  I've got a creative friend helping me with some preliminary design ideas that I'll hopefully post soon.  I'm certainly not opposed to some kitchy wood laminate vinyl styles.  Not sure what I'll call it yet either.

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Re: Bartop Build using Haruman Widescreen 2p
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2017, 11:33:10 pm »
HaRuMaN kits are awesome I'm sure you will like it! Any ideas on a theme or what you would like it to run?

Pyle amps sound better than kinter to me....

Also try theses speakers maybe or look into them they sound great and didn't break the bank

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001RNNX80/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_apa_u9Y1ybDT5P8EH
I'll hack the volume pot so it's accessible from the cabinet somewhere.

You dont really need to. Most encoders come with a shift function that will allow you to adjust the volume via buttons. I use the Ultimarc Ipac and have my buttons setup so when I press and hold the player one button down, Up and Down on the P1 joystick adjusts the volume.

Also on the note of using a refurbished PC, check your local craigslist/classifieds you may find the same kind of system for even cheaper.

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Re: Bartop Build using Haruman Widescreen 2p
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2017, 01:05:08 am »
I had an old Dell XPS gen 3 and that would run everything and I'm sure plus more so I would guess most p4's will with at least 512mb ram and a cheap graphics card


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Re: Bartop Build using Haruman Widescreen 2p
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2017, 09:08:50 pm »
I've read quite a few posts about folks struggling with Hyperspin.  I don't need ALL the bells and whistles, but I'd like the

Still think I roll the dice with a P4 and a cheap graphics card?  I don't want to buy more computer than I need, but I would hate to get something that doesn't quite cut it, either.

RE: The control panel - what 'extra' buttons would folks recommend?  I'm considering adding Save State / Load State buttons, as well as a switch to flip between save states.  Other useful buttons I should be considering?

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Re: Bartop Build using Haruman Widescreen 2p
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2017, 01:43:59 pm »
I've read quite a few posts about folks struggling with Hyperspin.  I don't need ALL the bells and whistles, but I'd like the

Still think I roll the dice with a P4 and a cheap graphics card?  I don't want to buy more computer than I need, but I would hate to get something that doesn't quite cut it, either.

RE: The control panel - what 'extra' buttons would folks recommend?  I'm considering adding Save State / Load State buttons, as well as a switch to flip between save states.  Other useful buttons I should be considering?

Mike

I have an exit button. That's about it. I did "hide" a tab and pause buttons on my machine so I can alter the controls as I need it and I tend to pause my games a lot. I guess everyone is different. But yeah I never really thought about saving or loading games. Don't think I would use that much at all.

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Re: Bartop Build using Haruman Widescreen 2p
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2017, 10:27:53 am »
I've read quite a few posts about folks struggling with Hyperspin.  I don't need ALL the bells and whistles, but I'd like the

Still think I roll the dice with a P4 and a cheap graphics card?  I don't want to buy more computer than I need, but I would hate to get something that doesn't quite cut it, either.

RE: The control panel - what 'extra' buttons would folks recommend?  I'm considering adding Save State / Load State buttons, as well as a switch to flip between save states.  Other useful buttons I should be considering?

Mike

I've used a couple of Haruman's kits, you'll want a micro atx or an itx board.  I'd stay away from a P4 due to the heat they generate.  I used an ITX board with an I3-2120, 4gb ram in the build I did for my brother.  It runs Hyperspin w/ Mame .162 and consoles up to dreamcast without an issue.  Anything in Mame before 1995 run without issue.  The power supply you use will be the biggest hurdle.

I use the Ipac 2 in most cases (rpi builds are the exceptions).  What buttons you use are up to you.  Coin, P1, P2 and pause are the only ones outside of player controls I've ever needed.  I use coin+p1 to exit/esc

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Re: Bartop Build using Haruman Widescreen 2p
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2017, 09:30:59 pm »
Thanks guys.  Strongly leaning towards a refurb'd i3 unit since I can get one with an OS for much less than I could build one for. 

Newegg has a 2100 HD and a 2120 system that are relatively comparable, and both come with Windows 10 64bit.  Any thoughts?  Tough to tell what the PSU will look like...

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Re: Bartop Build using Haruman Widescreen 2p
« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2017, 11:03:31 pm »
Im sure the PSU will not be an issue. I was able to fit a Full ATX in the Ultimate widescreen kit.

Ive been using AMD APU A6 builds and they run Hyperspin well. I googled and its said the i3 is massively better so I think you will be fine with any of those.

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Re: Bartop Build using Haruman Widescreen 2p
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2017, 11:32:19 am »
The PSU on the small form factor units will have no problems fitting in the bartop

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Re: Bartop Build using Haruman Widescreen 2p
« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2017, 08:41:56 am »
Nice!  Ordered.

What monitors have folks used for this rig?
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Re: Bartop Build using Haruman Widescreen 2p
« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2017, 09:09:44 am »
You kind of bought the wrong kit. If all of the games you want to emulate are pre-widescreen then you don't want a widescreen monitor. I am not sure how it would look to have a 4:3 monitor in that kit.

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Re: Bartop Build using Haruman Widescreen 2p
« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2017, 07:59:40 pm »
You kind of bought the wrong kit. If all of the games you want to emulate are pre-widescreen then you don't want a widescreen monitor. I am not sure how it would look to have a 4:3 monitor in that kit.
Sure.  Not a lot of 4:3 kit options for a 2-player bartop that I've found.  So -- I appreciate the input, but this is where I'm at.  An accurate reproduction machine this is not.

Not sure if I'll stretch a little or go live with the letterboxing... maybe I can design a killer bezel for the sides of the monitor to accommodate the black lines?
What have others done in this situation?

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Re: Bartop Build using Haruman Widescreen 2p
« Reply #15 on: April 03, 2017, 08:03:37 pm »
You kind of bought the wrong kit. If all of the games you want to emulate are pre-widescreen then you don't want a widescreen monitor. I am not sure how it would look to have a 4:3 monitor in that kit.
Sure.  Not a lot of 4:3 kit options for a 2-player bartop that I've found.  So -- I appreciate the input, but this is where I'm at.  An accurate reproduction machine this is not.

Not sure if I'll stretch a little or go live with the letterboxing... maybe I can design a killer bezel for the sides of the monitor to accommodate the black lines?
What have others done in this situation?

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Re: Bartop Build using Haruman Widescreen 2p
« Reply #16 on: April 03, 2017, 09:43:07 pm »
Ugh, don't stretch. Pillarbox all the way.
Deal.  I just fired up some games on my widescreen laptop... I will. not.  stretch!

Honestly, the pillarbox really isn't that big of a deal.  On the hunt for a decent widescreen at a good price.

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Re: Bartop Build using Haruman Widescreen 2p
« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2017, 06:12:10 pm »
HaRuMaN kits are awesome I'm sure you will like it! Any ideas on a theme or what you would like it to run?

Pyle amps sound better than kinter to me....

Also try theses speakers maybe or look into them they sound great and didn't break the bank

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001RNNX80/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_apa_u9Y1ybDT5P8EH
I'll hack the volume pot so it's accessible from the cabinet somewhere.

You dont really need to. Most encoders come with a shift function that will allow you to adjust the volume via buttons. I use the Ultimarc Ipac and have my buttons setup so when I press and hold the player one button down, Up and Down on the P1 joystick adjusts the volume.

Also on the note of using a refurbished PC, check your local craigslist/classifieds you may find the same kind of system for even cheaper.
Didn't know that.  Thanks for this helpful tip.

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Re: Bartop Build using Haruman Widescreen 2p
« Reply #18 on: April 05, 2017, 02:37:04 pm »
I'm using a 21in acer it fits like a glove.

Different kit though

You can always adjust the resolution and use hlsl in mame to make it like









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Re: Bartop Build using Haruman Widescreen 2p
« Reply #19 on: April 07, 2017, 09:38:42 pm »
LOTS of work to do with MAME and my ROMs, but Hyperspin seems to run well on the i3 PC.  Nice!

What NES, SNES and Genesis emulators do folks run with HS?

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Re: Bartop Build using Haruman Widescreen 2p
« Reply #20 on: April 07, 2017, 10:48:34 pm »
Ive always ran:

NES - Nestopia
Sega - Fusion
SNES - ZSNES

No specific reason, they just work for me so ive stuck with them.

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« Reply #21 on: April 13, 2017, 01:26:42 pm »
LOTS of work to do with MAME and my ROMs, but Hyperspin seems to run well on the i3 PC.  Nice!

What NES, SNES and Genesis emulators do folks run with HS?

Mike

Ive always ran:

NES - Nestopia
Sega - Fusion
SNES - ZSNES

No specific reason, they just work for me so ive stuck with them.


* Correction I use the above except for ZNES I prefer Snes9x for some reason.


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Re: Bartop Build using Haruman Widescreen 2p
« Reply #22 on: April 30, 2017, 05:43:12 pm »
Running into some challenges with HyperSpin and RocketLauncher.  The PC I'm working on is extremely bare-bones and has no network card... i.e. zero internet connectivity.

I need to install the MS .NET 2.0 framework on it for RL to run correctly, but I can't find an install package that will work without an internet connection.

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Re: Bartop Build using Haruman Widescreen 2p
« Reply #23 on: June 11, 2017, 09:28:07 pm »
WHOA.  Been lost down a Hyperspin rabbit hole.  I now understand why folks say it's a lot of work to set up... it's a lot of work to set up.   :dizzy:

I've got a Platinum HS acct and a Emumovies subscription, and have been hard at work getting my game wheels set, video, themes, etc.  Totally worth the effort, though.

I've decided to make this a Star Wars-themed cab... but with a little twist. 

We've got these killer posters (https://www.etsy.com/listing/97520079/star-wars-inspired-art-print-movie) framed in our basement, and I'd like to keep this motif going:



It's Star Wars done in the style of a 70's sci fi novel dust cover... bitchin'.  The wife asked if I could keep the color palate, so that's what I'm out to do. 

First step: Where can I find burnt orange, light blue, and olive green buttons???

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« Reply #24 on: June 11, 2017, 11:19:50 pm »
Where can I find burnt orange, light blue, and olive green buttons???
Ultimarc Goldleaf buttons are good for light blue.



If the orange and green buttons aren't the desired shade, you might be able to use white buttons and Rit dye.   ;D


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« Reply #25 on: June 12, 2017, 09:02:48 pm »
Nice!  Are those decent buttons?  The blue and green are actually quite good... I wish the orange was a little more pastel and a little less neon.

Not a good idea to mix n' match buttons in a 6-button setup, right?

Considering a relatively minimalist design, and tastefully awesome use of faux-wood.  A few examples of inspiration below...







Stay tuned for more.
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« Reply #26 on: June 12, 2017, 09:52:18 pm »
Nice!  Are those decent buttons? 
Yes, Goldleafs are good buttons.

The blue and green are actually quite good... I wish the orange was a little more pastel and a little less neon.
Buttons are inexpensive and so is Rit dye.

What do you have to lose?    ;D

Another option is RGB LED buttons like these.



Not a good idea to mix n' match buttons in a 6-button setup, right?
Mixing and matching different types of buttons in a six button setup is usually not the best idea.

- Some buttons have noticeably different bezel profiles.

- Different button/switch/spring combinations require different amounts of force to press the button.

- Some buttons have "clicky" microswitches (like Happ buttons) and some have "non-clicky" switches. (Sanwa, Seimitsu, Goldleaf, GGG Micro-Leaf™, GGG True-Leaf Pro™)


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Re: Bartop Build using Haruman Widescreen 2p
« Reply #27 on: June 13, 2017, 11:22:45 am »
Have you considered Running Retropie since it's a Bartop?  They have a very small footprint and the Raspberry Pi 3 is powerful enough to run the games you want and then some.

Here's a Setup video on how easy it is:
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Here's a video on HyperPie (which is based on the Hyperspin look):
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Pair that up with two cheap Xin Mo adapters and you're in business.
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Plenty of options out there!   :applaud:

P.S. - I did a Haruman's customs review on my channel for the Mini-tendo bartop kit if you want to get an idea how to assemble it and such.

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