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Raspberry Pi Zero W released today
« on: February 28, 2017, 03:13:09 pm »
Anyone able to order one? I tried like hell on Canakit.com to get one, but the site kept crashing this morning. My card got charged though, so we'll see :)
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Re: Raspberry Pi Zero W released today
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2017, 03:36:19 pm »
These things are cool devices in search of a purpose for me.  I've got a Pi2 and a Pi3 in cool cases, and a nice controller, and decent front end setups.... and the only thing I use them for are testing the inputs on dumpster flatscreens.


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Re: Raspberry Pi Zero W released today
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2017, 05:31:13 pm »


I know I've posted this before, but anytime anybody gets excited about something like this, it reminds me of this comic.
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Re: Raspberry Pi Zero W released today
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2017, 07:52:20 pm »
I think it would be more of a winner if specs better matched pi3. A lot of gaming type of devices are forced to use the larger pies because they need the processing power.

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Re: Raspberry Pi Zero W released today
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2017, 02:51:30 am »
To me the difference between a $10 and $30 isn't worth it for arcade gaming. Some things I save on. This wouldn't be one of them.
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Re: Raspberry Pi Zero W released today
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2017, 03:45:10 am »
And to me the difference between a 30 dollar pi in a arcade cabinet with hundreds of dollars worth of gear isn't something I would save on.  The pi isn't good for mame unless you are building a portable as it's underpowered. 

As overkill as it would be, using the pi W as a universal gamepad adapter might be a good use for it.  With Bluetooth and wifi onboard data can be sent back and forth to the pc in various formats quite easily.  You could also drive a small lcd with movelists on a gamepad and have the FE/whatever update it automatically.  My Linux-fu sucks or I would be all over this as a project.  I suppose I could use windows 10's internet of things mode.

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Re: Raspberry Pi Zero W released today
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2017, 09:53:10 pm »
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The pi isn't good for mame unless you are building a portable as it's underpowered. 

I quite like it for Mame. But then again, I'm just running old-school stuff. There's definitely a big pile of games that just can't be run on it, but I don't play those anyway.
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Re: Raspberry Pi Zero W released today
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2017, 11:37:15 pm »
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The pi isn't good for mame unless you are building a portable as it's underpowered. 

I quite like it for Mame. But then again, I'm just running old-school stuff. There's definitely a big pile of games that just can't be run on it, but I don't play those anyway.

Well it's not just that.  Being forced to run a Linux environment means all the frontends suck, you can't use mamehooker or any of the blinky light programs, ect.  Also you are running those games on an extremely outdated version of mame that doesn't emulate those classics as well as a current version does.

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Re: Raspberry Pi Zero W released today
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2017, 12:59:19 am »
I run attract mode. With my own custom themes that are exactly what I want. As far as LED stuff goes, RGBCommander works well, and me and a few other people have been testing for the new version that has a few more features. Plus there is some interesting things going on with shaders and overlays...

It does use an older version of MAME, but honestly for the stuff I run I can't see a difference between the Pi and my PC.
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Re: Raspberry Pi Zero W released today
« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2017, 09:05:51 am »
Ime with mahuti on this.
I only play classic mame stuff on the Pi and it handles them just fine.
Any more modern games then no but most are playable with other emus anyway so not really a problem.

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« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2017, 09:24:36 am »
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The pi isn't good for mame unless you are building a portable as it's underpowered. 

I quite like it for Mame. But then again, I'm just running old-school stuff. There's definitely a big pile of games that just can't be run on it, but I don't play those anyway.

Well it's not just that.  Being forced to run a Linux environment means all the frontends suck, you can't use mamehooker or any of the blinky light programs, ect.  Also you are running those games on an extremely outdated version of mame that doesn't emulate those classics as well as a current version does.

Running a free, lightweight, and open source operating system is so horrible. There are no good front ends for Linux such as attractmode, retrofe, Lakka, and emulation station. And your stuck with a hella old mame version like 0.183.

Maybe people should get their head out of their winblows @ss. Ps winblows 10, although slightly different than the desktop version, is available for the raspberry pi.

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Re: Raspberry Pi Zero W released today
« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2017, 09:49:48 am »
Ime with mahuti on this.
I only play classic mame stuff on the Pi and it handles them just fine.
Any more modern games then no but most are playable with other emus anyway so not really a problem.
I thought you played them on your lappy?
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Re: Raspberry Pi Zero W released today
« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2017, 09:58:04 am »
Winblowz lol $$$1!!!! urk!
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Re: Raspberry Pi Zero W released today
« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2017, 11:24:13 am »
Ime with mahuti on this.
I only play classic mame stuff on the Pi and it handles them just fine.
Any more modern games then no but most are playable with other emus anyway so not really a problem.
I thought you played them on your lappy?

Ime fortunate enough to have multiple platforms available to me to satisfy my needs ;)

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Re: Raspberry Pi Zero W released today
« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2017, 10:21:42 am »

Running a free, lightweight, and open source operating system is so horrible. There are no good front ends for Linux such as attractmode, retrofe, Lakka, and emulation station. And your stuck with a hella old mame version like 0.183.

Maybe people should get their head out of their winblows @ss. Ps winblows 10, although slightly different than the desktop version, is available for the raspberry pi.

Indeed. Surely the fact that the Raspberry Pi runs Linux as its default OS is a plus not a minus.

I'm baffled why there are still so many Windows fanboys around when M$ has abused its monopoly and screwed over its customers multiple times over the past two decades e.g. Windows ME, Windows Vista, Windows 8 & 10, the awful ribbon interface, the spyware, bloatware and adware built into Windows 10, the forced updates (including firmware updates that have bricked some devices), the overriding of customers' privacy settings, etc. The list goes on and on. Some people just seem to be gluttons for punishment.
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Re: Raspberry Pi Zero W released today
« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2017, 03:12:58 pm »
Remember when the richest man in the world demod his new product of win 98 at comdex and it crashed? Oh, not again! Let's just push a second edition to all the people that already bought our proDuct.

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Re: Raspberry Pi Zero W released today
« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2017, 02:41:50 pm »
mame pleb here.
Play real arcade games once or twice a year at strong museum.
Would not be able to tell the difference between a real arcade game and an emulated game on the RPI to save my life.

that said,

I have a pi zero but the need for all the mini to normal sized adapters makes it annoying and not really a cost savings unless i was going to use it as a headless system.
The zero with built in wifi sounds nice for home automation purposes since i feel i'm wasting an RPI2 on my hot tub.

edit: 10$ to ship a pi zero?
really?






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Re: Raspberry Pi Zero W released today
« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2017, 04:03:11 pm »
I have been running windows at work and at home since 3.1. I don't have these horrible problems that Linux fanboys moan and groan about. Linux has its uses. So does Windows.

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« Reply #18 on: March 06, 2017, 06:17:06 pm »
I have been running windows at work and at home since 3.1. I don't have these horrible problems that Linux fanboys moan and groan about. Linux has its uses. So does Windows.

Same, Been using windows since 3.1.

Had plenty of problems over the years but windows is predictable (in its faults i mean).
Its easy to set up (even more so since win 7) and well supported.
Theres also some Diamonds in the rough so to speak.
If you stick to the good versions of windows its always served me well.
I still run machines on Win XP and 7.
Still own 95, 98, NT and somewhere 3.1 on floppys!
But I wouldnt touch ME, 8, 10 etc with a barge pole!

Linux on the other hand is fast and pretty damn stable.
But user friendly and easy are 2 things it is not!

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Re: Raspberry Pi Zero W released today
« Reply #19 on: March 06, 2017, 06:49:07 pm »
I have been running windows at work and at home since 3.1. I don't have these horrible problems that Linux fanboys moan and groan about. Linux has its uses. So does Windows.
I know,  right. It just works.  :dunno
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Re: Raspberry Pi Zero W released today
« Reply #20 on: March 07, 2017, 01:17:50 am »
I've got 4 cabs sitting around. 2 have XP PCs in them, and they give me little grief (though WI-FI doesn't work on either anymore... sigh...) and I've had them running almost non stop since 2004.

That said, I'm still planning on swapping them out for RPis. For me, the easy out SD card storage and the ability to use monitors, HDMI TVs or composite TVs is what I like the most. And the price is nice :)
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Re: Raspberry Pi Zero W released today
« Reply #21 on: March 07, 2017, 09:19:22 am »
Pi zero can be used as a remote screen.
possible dynamic marquee ability here.

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« Reply #22 on: March 07, 2017, 10:40:59 am »
Show me a marquee size monitor for a reasonable price and I'll program it. This has long been a dream of mine.
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Re: Raspberry Pi Zero W released today
« Reply #23 on: March 07, 2017, 12:49:56 pm »
Ok, i've got a question.  Does this new pi zero have audio yet?  I didn't like the way you had to hard solder the audio connectors on the previous version.  It was a lot of work and I just wanted it to be everything the pi3 gave me.

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« Reply #24 on: March 07, 2017, 03:11:04 pm »
Ok, i've got a question.  Does this new pi zero have audio yet?  I didn't like the way you had to hard solder the audio connectors on the previous version.  It was a lot of work and I just wanted it to be everything the pi3 gave me.

No analog audio jack on the pi zero. No easy solder a jack solution either. However, its no easy task but the pi zero can have its software modified to output analog audio through its gpio. https://learn.adafruit.com/adding-basic-audio-ouput-to-raspberry-pi-zero/pi-zero-pwm-audio

The pi zero also has no composite video out jack. However, it does have a spot for two header pins to output composite out and you can convert the pins wire lead to a jack. https://www.modmypi.com/blog/how-to-add-an-rca-tv-connector-to-a-raspberry-pi-zero

Don’t forget you also need a powered hub to power even a keyboard and a mouse.

I understand the lightweightness of the pi zero, but I think it might be a little too much lacking connectors for most - which would lean those users towards the pi 3. I like the size of the pi zero, and see how that could be useful for many projects. The more I think about it, the more I think its shortcomings for myself might not hinder others micro projects. It would be nice if CPU was on par with pi 3.

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« Reply #25 on: March 07, 2017, 04:42:35 pm »
Show me a marquee size monitor for a reasonable price and I'll program it. This has long been a dream of mine.

just use a cheap widescreen and scale marquee to fit screen width and centered.

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Re: Raspberry Pi Zero W released today
« Reply #26 on: March 08, 2017, 10:59:08 am »
Doesn't fit in an actual marquee though... not without sticking out of the top  :-\
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« Reply #27 on: March 08, 2017, 11:06:22 am »
Ok, i've got a question.  Does this new pi zero have audio yet?  I didn't like the way you had to hard solder the audio connectors on the previous version.  It was a lot of work and I just wanted it to be everything the pi3 gave me.
So then why not just buy a Pi3? Especially if it gives you everything you want? Isn't that worth 25 bucks to you?
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« Reply #28 on: March 15, 2017, 11:27:25 am »
Ok, i've got a question.  Does this new pi zero have audio yet?  I didn't like the way you had to hard solder the audio connectors on the previous version.  It was a lot of work and I just wanted it to be everything the pi3 gave me.
So then why not just buy a Pi3? Especially if it gives you everything you want? Isn't that worth 25 bucks to you?

Exactly my point.  This has no benefits over a pi3, other than the form factor, but then you trade that in for functionality.  So I really don't see the point.

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« Reply #29 on: March 15, 2017, 06:33:10 pm »


It's not meant to compete with the Pi3, its smaller, less ram and a weaker single core CPU but uses a lot less power.
These aren't meant for emulator machines or media players, they're just some of the many uses peoples make of them.

If you want a Pi3 then buy one, the Pi zero is very limited in what it can play but it can be run off a TV usb socket whereas none of the rest can.

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« Reply #30 on: March 15, 2017, 06:57:54 pm »
God bless BYOAC old ---daisies--- that are saving us from possibly wasting 10 dollars.



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Re: Raspberry Pi Zero W released today
« Reply #31 on: March 16, 2017, 06:37:32 am »
LINUX is fun, Windows is a headache, Mac OS is heaven.

At least if you have dyslexia and don't want to spend a ton of money on additional adaptive technology. If it was not for individual programs that only exist on windows, I would probably never use their platform.

Some stuff is definitely left to the end user on most Linux distorts that shouldn't be. Why do I need to setup samba share and manually point to the folders in Gedit? Ubuntu should have a way to setup network sharing in the GUI.

There is Wi-Fi foundation is just trying to fill some holes in the lineup. I think this is to compete with Chip.

The Rpi foundation goal is education. Go read there blog to see lots of cool exsample of interesting stuff going on with R-pi.


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« Reply #32 on: March 16, 2017, 09:53:04 am »
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God bless BYOAC old ---daisies--- that are saving us from possibly wasting 10 dollars.
This board encourages me to store old pieces of junk because magically every time I start work on a project I think "oh man, why didn't i save xyz?" right after someone says "just order a vintage XYZ off ebay and that'll take care of it"
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« Reply #33 on: March 16, 2017, 11:52:23 am »
Doesn't fit in an actual marquee though... not without sticking out of the top  :-\

Ya know what?
Never even thought of that.  :dizzy:.
I'm building a cabaret and since the marquee is on the front i'll have plenty of room for a standard widescreen.

but, you could also do it like this?
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,146678.msg1526759.html#msg1526759


I pulled the trigger on the pi-zero W.
found a kit with everything i needed to set it up and just plug it in where my current rpi2 is for $23.


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Re: Raspberry Pi Zero W released today
« Reply #34 on: March 16, 2017, 11:54:38 am »
I have 4 machines already. They won't do what you show. A custom thing... different story. Conversion won't work though in my case.


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« Reply #35 on: March 16, 2017, 11:59:01 am »
I have 4 machines already. They won't do what you show. A custom thing... different story. Conversion won't work though in my case.


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hmmm.....2 13.3" widescreen TV's de-cassed and side by side. :)
Stats   13.3 inch 16x9      
Width   11.59 inches      
Height   6.52 inches

$40 a pop.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/TVD1801-13-13-3-LED-AC-DC-TV-with-DVD-Player-Full-HD-with-HDMI-SD-card-reader-/112332058708?hash=item1a27833054:g:gy4AAOSw~AVYnMIP

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Re: Raspberry Pi Zero W released today
« Reply #36 on: March 16, 2017, 12:00:39 pm »
Decased and side by side still leave an ATROCIOUS gap in the middle. Who would want that? And in any case... the RPI barely handles 2 monitors let alone 3


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« Reply #37 on: March 16, 2017, 12:35:45 pm »
Decased and side by side still leave an ATROCIOUS gap in the middle. Who would want that? And in any case... the RPI barely handles 2 monitors let alone 3


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yeah,
Even if you strip it so the frame is out of the way and butt the glass up you will still have a small dead space between them.

Also, you can use a pi-zero for each lcd and video/ picture wall software.


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Re: Raspberry Pi Zero W released today
« Reply #38 on: March 16, 2017, 12:37:14 pm »
You'd have to write a communication system to sync them.


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« Reply #39 on: March 16, 2017, 01:13:00 pm »
hmmm.....2 13.3" widescreen TV's de-cassed and side by side. :)
Stats   13.3 inch 16x9      
Width   11.59 inches      
Height   6.52 inches

$40 a pop.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/TVD1801-13-13-3-LED-AC-DC-TV-with-DVD-Player-Full-HD-with-HDMI-SD-card-reader-/112332058708?hash=item1a27833054:g:gy4AAOSw~AVYnMIP

Only problem is they are parts only with broken screens !!
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For parts or not working

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« Reply #40 on: March 16, 2017, 01:53:33 pm »
You'd have to write a communication system to sync them.


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allready done.
there is something called pi wall that does this.

hmmm.....2 13.3" widescreen TV's de-cassed and side by side. :)
Stats   13.3 inch 16x9      
Width   11.59 inches      
Height   6.52 inches

$40 a pop.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/TVD1801-13-13-3-LED-AC-DC-TV-with-DVD-Player-Full-HD-with-HDMI-SD-card-reader-/112332058708?hash=item1a27833054:g:gy4AAOSw~AVYnMIP

Only problem is they are parts only with broken screens !!
Quote

Item condition:
For parts or not working

“Parts item only. Broken screen. Original packaging. Packaging slightly distressed.”   

BAH!
i don't think i got enough sleep last night. :)

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Re: Raspberry Pi Zero W released today
« Reply #41 on: March 16, 2017, 01:55:38 pm »
Pi wall. I feel like I've heard of that. Cools. Still not doing it hah hah.


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Re: Raspberry Pi Zero W released today
« Reply #42 on: April 02, 2017, 07:30:03 am »


I know I've posted this before, but anytime anybody gets excited about something like this, it reminds me of this comic.

Eh, each to their own.  I know folks who would give you (and I) a hard time for playing old video games and calling it fun.  Keep that in perspective when you give someone else a hard time for liking a particular bit of hardware or software.  We're all nerdy/passionate about something that someone else finds stupid.

On topic, I've had a long standing desire to make an "oversized" GameBoy/GBC at one point, just for lolz.  The Pi-Zero-W would be perfect.  Lightweight enough to run from a "powerbank" style battery and drive a 7" screen.  Plan is to make it double the X and Y dimensions (puts it at about the size of a standard A4 piece of paper, similar to any modern tablet, and a screen that's almost exactly as tall as a 7" 16:9 display that I could put a mask over to make it look like a GB screen), keeping the depth the same.  I'd love to 3D print the whole thing if possible.

Failing that, the backup plan was a "wall art installation" style setup I could hang on the wall at home that had a Game and Watch simulator running in it.

Any of those tasks should be trivially handled by a Pi-Zero-W, be cool enough to be kept in a tight space with limited airflow, and potentially even battery powered.

  
 

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