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Re: MAME Legality - Real World Example
« Reply #40 on: February 23, 2017, 12:11:59 am »
This guy can't be for real.

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Re: MAME Legality - Real World Example
« Reply #41 on: February 23, 2017, 12:20:51 am »
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Re: MAME Legality - Real World Example
« Reply #42 on: February 23, 2017, 12:41:59 am »
You are sounding clueless again.

Nearly 6 years ago and that gem is still good today.  Priceless.  Thanks mate.
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Re: MAME Legality - Real World Example
« Reply #43 on: February 23, 2017, 12:45:39 am »
There is your problem right there.  ;)
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Re: MAME Legality - Real World Example
« Reply #44 on: February 23, 2017, 05:28:26 am »
(I also won't deal with Europeans or Brazilians as they're all 40, broke, and live with their parents)

Actually ime in my 30's and own my own house ;)
As for broke aint we all!?

Just yet another american that believes Europe is a country... the statement would be true though if we narrow it down to Italy and perhaps Greece ;)

By the way, I have a solid reputation after several years of ebay deals from the US, buying parts for my Mustang and arcade games.

Back to topic, interesting case here. I'll need some more popcorn...
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Re: MAME Legality - Real World Example
« Reply #45 on: February 23, 2017, 10:17:12 am »
Start a go fund me to get your money back. I will donate a dollar i promise.

Or you could just https://www.paypal.me/nephasth a dollar...
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Re: MAME Legality - Real World Example
« Reply #46 on: February 23, 2017, 10:19:38 am »
(I also won't deal with Europeans or Brazilians as they're all 40, broke, and live with their parents)

Actually ime in my 30's and own my own house ;)
As for broke aint we all!?

Just yet another american that believes Europe is a country... the statement would be true though if we narrow it down to Italy and perhaps Greece ;)

By the way, I have a solid reputation after several years of ebay deals from the US, buying parts for my Mustang and arcade games.

Back to topic, interesting case here. I'll need some more popcorn...

Back before the hipsters ruined vinyl collecting... I used to buy/sell a lot on ebay. Italy was BY FAR the worst country to deal with, and Greece was a close second. LOL.
I had better luck dealing with Israeli metalheads...
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Re: MAME Legality - Real World Example
« Reply #47 on: February 23, 2017, 10:34:46 am »
(I also won't deal with Europeans or Brazilians as they're all 40, broke, and live with their parents)

Actually ime in my 30's and own my own house ;)
As for broke aint we all!?

Just yet another american that believes Europe is a country... the statement would be true though if we narrow it down to Italy and perhaps Greece ;)

By the way, I have a solid reputation after several years of ebay deals from the US, buying parts for my Mustang and arcade games.

Back to topic, interesting case here. I'll need some more popcorn...

Actually I would narrow it down to all member states except the UK, and we are getting out.
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Re: MAME Legality - Real World Example
« Reply #48 on: February 23, 2017, 10:51:25 am »
I also find it quite amazing that you all here, are defending your position that mame roms are legal.  I know that they are not.  So do you.... so what are you trying to convince of here?  That you are all completely crazy?  I THINK you guys just like trolling ME, and I think that is very boring. 
Sorry, but please quote any thread where a member here was arguing that ROMs are legal.  I've never noticed anyone actually saying that...

That's probably because nobody argues that roms are legal, only that nobody cares that they are being pirated.  That's the whole point of this thread that you missed. 
Nobody cares that this guy is suing to get his pirated rom playing machines back. 
The owners of the intellectual property are not suing. 
They are not trying to get sites that host these files shut down.
They are not suing some old lady because her 12 year old downloaded a file. 
There is no campaign to protect the rights of 80's video game programmers. 
If you download a rom, your chances of getting in trouble for it are ZERO. 

Downloading roms is akin to smoking pot or jaywalking.  Yes, there are laws against it but nobody enforces them unless you take it to extreme excess or do something really blatantly stupid while doing it. 

In my eyes, the fact that you strongly believe that nobody should download roms is not the problem.  I could respect you for that.  But for you it doesn't stop there, you have clearly shown that you take PLEASURE in pointing out how righteous you are, particularly when people are adversely affected by your actions.  That isn't moral superiority, and your moral compass definitely doesn't point true north.  That's sitting on a high horse, being self righteous.  And that is why I responded in the last two threads. 

I apologize if the link I posted was offensive.  The fact that your behavior here represents a majority of the symptoms of OCD doesn't mean I think you have that disorder.  I have plenty of personality quirks that could be classified under a variety of mental disorders.  At BYAOC, it is OK to point out the quirks, but not to point out the disorder they may apply to.  That would be wrong, and I was wrong.  Sorry.

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Re: MAME Legality - Real World Example
« Reply #49 on: February 23, 2017, 10:59:30 am »
Start a go fund me to get your money back. I will donate a dollar i promise.

Or you could just https://www.paypal.me/nephasth a dollar...
Dollar sent sir.

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Re: MAME Legality - Real World Example
« Reply #50 on: February 23, 2017, 11:23:19 am »
The fact that your behavior here represents a majority of the symptoms of OCD doesn't mean I think you have that disorder.  I have plenty of personality quirks that could be classified under a variety of mental disorders.  At BYAOC, it is OK to point out the quirks, but not to point out the disorder they may apply to.  That would be wrong, and I was wrong.  Sorry.

If the offender is mentally ill, terminate them anyway.  Just get rid.

I beleive that Big Brother would be a help in this, and we all should be monitored.
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Re: MAME Legality - Real World Example
« Reply #51 on: February 23, 2017, 11:40:45 am »
Start a go fund me to get your money back. I will donate a dollar i promise.

Or you could just https://www.paypal.me/nephasth a dollar...
Dollar sent sir.

Thanks Angela! Only 4,749 to go...  :lol
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Re: MAME Legality - Real World Example
« Reply #52 on: February 23, 2017, 11:42:10 am »
Start a go fund me to get your money back. I will donate a dollar i promise.

Or you could just https://www.paypal.me/nephasth a dollar...
Dollar sent sir.

Thanks Angela! Only 4,749 to go...  :lol
I use my wifes paypal.  :afro:

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Re: MAME Legality - Real World Example
« Reply #53 on: February 23, 2017, 11:43:47 am »
Dollar sent.

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Re: MAME Legality - Real World Example
« Reply #54 on: February 23, 2017, 11:55:20 am »
 :lol Thanks guys! But it was just a joke. Guess I'll put this $7 towards the Zapcon fund.
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Re: MAME Legality - Real World Example
« Reply #55 on: February 23, 2017, 11:59:48 am »
It is a gesture. Those of us with a low moral compass need to stick together. Even though I am still not sure what the altitude of my moral compass has to do with what direction it is pointing in.

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Re: MAME Legality - Real World Example
« Reply #56 on: February 23, 2017, 12:04:30 pm »
:lol Thanks guys! But it was just a joke. Guess I'll put this $7 towards the Zapcon fund.
I always commit to my jokes.

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Re: MAME Legality - Real World Example
« Reply #57 on: February 23, 2017, 12:06:19 pm »
I'm all for it.  It is time to start seeing a moral change
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Re: MAME Legality - Real World Example
« Reply #59 on: February 23, 2017, 01:11:43 pm »
youre up to about $10 meow

Make it $20.  lol

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Re: MAME Legality - Real World Example
« Reply #60 on: February 23, 2017, 01:21:42 pm »


Thanks Angela! Only 4,749 to go...  :lol

I have a mame bartop in my cube with a coin acceptor on it.
been using it as source for vending machine money.
If I donate can i deduct it on my taxes?


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Re: MAME Legality - Real World Example
« Reply #61 on: February 23, 2017, 02:47:47 pm »
5 more sent, Sorry to see someone in this hobby get screwed.  Besides, according to the paypal.me page, you are a fairly close neighbor..

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Re: MAME Legality - Real World Example
« Reply #62 on: February 23, 2017, 03:15:18 pm »
Up to $24.82! :woot
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« Reply #63 on: February 23, 2017, 05:07:50 pm »
Up to $24.82! :woot
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Re: MAME Legality - Real World Example
« Reply #64 on: February 23, 2017, 05:08:28 pm »
That's more than we raised to get PBJ to ZapCon two years ago!
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Re: MAME Legality - Real World Example
« Reply #65 on: February 23, 2017, 05:10:14 pm »
I also find it quite amazing that you all here, are defending your position that mame roms are legal.  I know that they are not.  So do you.... so what are you trying to convince of here?  That you are all completely crazy?  I THINK you guys just like trolling ME, and I think that is very boring. 
Sorry, but please quote any thread where a member here was arguing that ROMs are legal.  I've never noticed anyone actually saying that...

That's probably because nobody argues that roms are legal, only that nobody cares that they are being pirated.  That's the whole point of this thread that you missed. 
Nobody cares that this guy is suing to get his pirated rom playing machines back. 
The owners of the intellectual property are not suing. 
They are not trying to get sites that host these files shut down.
They are not suing some old lady because her 12 year old downloaded a file. 
There is no campaign to protect the rights of 80's video game programmers. 
If you download a rom, your chances of getting in trouble for it are ZERO. 

Downloading roms is akin to smoking pot or jaywalking.  Yes, there are laws against it but nobody enforces them unless you take it to extreme excess or do something really blatantly stupid while doing it. 

In my eyes, the fact that you strongly believe that nobody should download roms is not the problem.  I could respect you for that.  But for you it doesn't stop there, you have clearly shown that you take PLEASURE in pointing out how righteous you are, particularly when people are adversely affected by your actions.  That isn't moral superiority, and your moral compass definitely doesn't point true north.  That's sitting on a high horse, being self righteous.  And that is why I responded in the last two threads. 

I apologize if the link I posted was offensive.  The fact that your behavior here represents a majority of the symptoms of OCD doesn't mean I think you have that disorder.  I have plenty of personality quirks that could be classified under a variety of mental disorders.  At BYAOC, it is OK to point out the quirks, but not to point out the disorder they may apply to.  That would be wrong, and I was wrong.  Sorry.

If memory serves, you can play certain popular arcade games via outlets such as xarcade, as they sell a game disc, there are free legal mame games, and if you have the game board and it is dead, sure get the rom and play it.  Its the roms from nintendo,atari,etc that are still in business that i have a problem with, but i can only be a voice of reason.  I cannot force anyone to comply.  The original post said that nobody cares.  Well they do, but maybe it is not financially viable to sue individuals who download and distribute games.

The argument that nobody cares, is hard to understand, where a certain game might appeal to a younger generation, in the form of a reboot.  One comes to mind was yars revenge 2 but it was a flop.  But somebody had to code,market it and distribute the game (and if it was any good) make some money off the IP.  Granted the offshoot for the popularity could have come from an emulator or game system.  Who knows, but yars revenge is a popular game regardless, and from atari no less.  Would we see a reboot of The Legend of Hero Tonma?  Probably not, and after a brief search, no mention of Irem could be found.  Is the game still protected under copyright law?

I am commenting on a view that too many games, music, and films have been exploited or considered "free" to the public, due to the ease of copying and accessibility of films still in the cinema.  To those of us that was exploited by the film and music industies of the 70 and 80s, the napster revolution seemed fair at the time, and created a paradigm that exists today.  What it also teaches the youth, that the napster behaivor of the past is now acceptable and free form of theft.

It doesn't affect you to grab a free game,song, or movie from a torrent or download site.  It affects a huge industry that employs tens of thousands.  When it happens to people who you love and respect, it hits hard.  Sure you have 40 plus thousand games in your mame cabinet, but why promote it?  Why keep on making the point that IP is a free for all at others expense?

Why attack a voice of reason?

Anyway this is falling on deaf ears.  In relation to your apology, there is nothing to apologise about.  I think some of us are cursed by some form of OCD, like making or restoring old arcade cabinets, making sure the doors are locked several times (I do this) before leaving, or have somthing unfortunate like compulsive house cleaning.  Call me names by all means, but reflect on the above.  I dont need you to tell me, but we all know the difference between right and wrong on this subject.

Now lets see what jeffo cooks up for a retorte.  ;)

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« Reply #66 on: February 23, 2017, 05:18:22 pm »
Well, we're over $44 now! This wasn't supposed to happen... guys. So let's put this money to good use! It'll all go towards the beer tab at the Outback while we're feasting on PBJ dollars turned into chicken wings!
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« Reply #67 on: February 23, 2017, 05:27:11 pm »
Well, we're over $44 now! This wasn't supposed to happen... guys. So let's put this money to good use! It'll all go towards the beer tab at the Outback while we're feasting on PBJ dollars turned into chicken wings!

Only $4,000.00 to go.....
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« Reply #68 on: February 23, 2017, 05:32:00 pm »
I have been told I'm a ---smurfing--- ---uvula---, for voicing my opinions, from the highest of echolons
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« Reply #69 on: February 23, 2017, 05:43:38 pm »
I have been told I'm a ---smurfing--- ---uvula---, for voicing my opinions, from the highest of echolons

The disney cuddly toy crowd is probaby spitting blood right about now.  :laugh2:
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« Reply #70 on: February 23, 2017, 05:52:26 pm »
Who's got the yayo?

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« Reply #71 on: February 23, 2017, 05:52:43 pm »
Perhaps I should be more mindful of the bigger issue and to learn when to quit.
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« Reply #73 on: February 23, 2017, 06:28:03 pm »
You don't want the FBI knocking on your door and ruining your life
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Re: MAME Legality - Real World Example
« Reply #74 on: February 23, 2017, 06:55:26 pm »
The original post said that nobody cares.  Well they do, but maybe it is not financially viable to sue individuals who download and distribute games.
You don't have to sue, all you have to do is send a letter stating that you are the copyright holder and you don't give permission to put that IP up on their site and 99% of the time whoever it is will take down the content.  If they don't, you can send a letter to Google telling them they are listing a site that is pirating and they will remove it from the google results.  If someone is selling machines with your roms on it and you send a nasty letter, chances are pretty high they will stop including your rom if they don't completely cut and run.  And for any case where you can't scare them into stopping, that means they are making money and where there is money, there is potential for a lawsuit that will pay off.  If the IP has any monetary value to you, then it would be worth suing.  The fact that there is no money in it for most of the copyright holders is enough to tell me that nobody is going to come after me for downloading the intellectual property.
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The context here is "nobody" equates to "nobody who could or is willing to do anything about it".  Nobody cares that there are hundreds of sites giving away intellectual property or they would take action to get them to remove that IP.  It is pretty easy to understand.
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It doesn't affect you to grab a free game,song, or movie from a torrent or download site.
Actually, it does.  I own and sell intellectual property.  A few months after publishing my first book, I googled it and found it for free on 3 popular pirate sites, all on the first page of the google search.  There were hundreds of downloads on one, and someone paid a bounty (in credits for the pirate site) to get a link to a free copy on another.  I sent letters to each site and within 24 hours, the sites had no record of ever having my book available for download and they were no longer showing results on Google within a week.  I can maybe find one pirate site in the first 10 pages of google when searching for my book now (a few for my second book), and it has been over a year since I took action.  Frankly I would bet money that if I clicked the link to download it for free I would just get a fake site or a virus, but I know it is still out there on pirate sites that hide from google's search engines, and again, I don't care.  At worst a bunch of people who would never have paid for my book read it for free.  At best, I made a few sales when they talked about it.

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It affects a huge industry that employs tens of thousands.
USED TO employ tens of thousands.  Those companies either moved on to other things or are gone.  Nobody here is going to take food off a table of some family if they download Zaxxon.  We aren't talking about movies or music here, although I think the same things above apply to them, but that is a whole other discussion.

Frankly, I think the copyright holders made a huge mistake.  If roms were for sale for a reasonable price, and they made a small effort to stop sites from hosting the downloads, there would still be a little money involved.  Who here wouldn't download Pac Man or Centipede if it cost a few dollars and you couldn't find the rom for free easily?  I know I would.  I didn't download it because I could, I downloaded it because I couldn't buy the rom legitimately and a simple google search led me to a way to download it easily. 

I know I am not going to change your mind on this, I am not trying.  But I am someone who is affected financially by pirating, and I can't find a reason to take a hard stance against it.  I have sold nearly 7,000 copies of my books, and I can only hope that several thousand more have been pirated and read because that would mean that people are willing to break the law to read what I wrote.  That's pretty damn cool if you ask me..

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Re: Neph's ZapCon Beer Money Extravaganza!!!1!1
« Reply #75 on: February 23, 2017, 07:03:00 pm »
Can someone please translate what he said, I've read it twice and got no clue what's so ever.
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Re: MAME Legality - Real World Example
« Reply #76 on: February 23, 2017, 08:57:26 pm »
The original post said that nobody cares.  Well they do, but maybe it is not financially viable to sue individuals who download and distribute games.
You don't have to sue, all you have to do is send a letter stating that you are the copyright holder and you don't give permission to put that IP up on their site and 99% of the time whoever it is will take down the content.  If they don't, you can send a letter to Google telling them they are listing a site that is pirating and they will remove it from the google results.  If someone is selling machines with your roms on it and you send a nasty letter, chances are pretty high they will stop including your rom if they don't completely cut and run.  And for any case where you can't scare them into stopping, that means they are making money and where there is money, there is potential for a lawsuit that will pay off.  If the IP has any monetary value to you, then it would be worth suing.  The fact that there is no money in it for most of the copyright holders is enough to tell me that nobody is going to come after me for downloading the intellectual property.
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The argument that nobody cares, is hard to understand,
The context here is "nobody" equates to "nobody who could or is willing to do anything about it".  Nobody cares that there are hundreds of sites giving away intellectual property or they would take action to get them to remove that IP.  It is pretty easy to understand.
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It doesn't affect you to grab a free game,song, or movie from a torrent or download site.
Actually, it does.  I own and sell intellectual property.  A few months after publishing my first book, I googled it and found it for free on 3 popular pirate sites, all on the first page of the google search.  There were hundreds of downloads on one, and someone paid a bounty (in credits for the pirate site) to get a link to a free copy on another.  I sent letters to each site and within 24 hours, the sites had no record of ever having my book available for download and they were no longer showing results on Google within a week.  I can maybe find one pirate site in the first 10 pages of google when searching for my book now (a few for my second book), and it has been over a year since I took action.  Frankly I would bet money that if I clicked the link to download it for free I would just get a fake site or a virus, but I know it is still out there on pirate sites that hide from google's search engines, and again, I don't care.  At worst a bunch of people who would never have paid for my book read it for free.  At best, I made a few sales when they talked about it.

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It affects a huge industry that employs tens of thousands.
USED TO employ tens of thousands.  Those companies either moved on to other things or are gone.  Nobody here is going to take food off a table of some family if they download Zaxxon.  We aren't talking about movies or music here, although I think the same things above apply to them, but that is a whole other discussion.

Frankly, I think the copyright holders made a huge mistake.  If roms were for sale for a reasonable price, and they made a small effort to stop sites from hosting the downloads, there would still be a little money involved.  Who here wouldn't download Pac Man or Centipede if it cost a few dollars and you couldn't find the rom for free easily?  I know I would.  I didn't download it because I could, I downloaded it because I couldn't buy the rom legitimately and a simple google search led me to a way to download it easily. 

I know I am not going to change your mind on this, I am not trying.  But I am someone who is affected financially by pirating, and I can't find a reason to take a hard stance against it.  I have sold nearly 7,000 copies of my books, and I can only hope that several thousand more have been pirated and read because that would mean that people are willing to break the law to read what I wrote.  That's pretty damn cool if you ask me..

Why did you not sue the sites hosting your book? You could have easily recovered some of your losses, and stop future copyright violations.
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Re: Neph's ZapCon Beer Money Extravaganza!!!1!1
« Reply #77 on: February 23, 2017, 09:44:15 pm »
We all can profit by that.

PS -- you really are completely clueless about lawsuits and the innertubes, aren't you? Show me one person who has ever "easily recovered" some of their losses.
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Re: Neph's ZapCon Beer Money Extravaganza!!!1!1
« Reply #78 on: February 23, 2017, 11:17:24 pm »
---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- all we need is Steve posting in this thread and we'd have thr great mother ---smurfing--- wall of text...

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Re: Neph's ZapCon Beer Money Extravaganza!!!1!1
« Reply #79 on: February 24, 2017, 08:08:21 am »
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