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This old NES and free Sega Genesis. now with N64.
« on: February 17, 2017, 12:37:36 pm »
After "field converting" my DK to an ArPicade based VS. multi unit in December, it really got me thinking about the 2 gun games that would require extra hoops to jump through with a mediocre payoff. Three weeks ago went digging in the garage for my old childhood NES setup.




After some cart and edge connector cleaning, I was shootin' away.




Out of all the crap I have I could not find a damn power supply. After wasting 45min I just made a quick 1/8" female to barrel M adapter. My main video/audio/power cable snake is wrapped and only has power for an atari vcs.

The composite video signal looked ok, but it was strange to say that my rgb vcs had a better picture than the nes. :p The wonders of the internet led me to this: http://etim.net.au/shop/shop.php?crn=203&rn=522&action=show_detail   and this:  http://krikzz.com/store/home/31-everdrive-n8-nes.html . I saw the Chinese knock off cart and other places to get the items, but I chose to just order them straight from the makers. Received the nesrgb kit last weekend and got it installed.




PPU removed with no damage. Been gettin good at chip work like that.




PPU added to mod board and installed with connections made. Also recapped main board and power supply circuit.




Jacks wired.




Auxiliary voltage reg board that feeds separate power to the nesrgb kit.




I added an 1/8" female jack in parallel to the original power input. My adapter was ok, just didn't want to keep using it and I didn't have to modify my existing cable snake. Audio jacks are just wired for mono, maybe I'll look into the stereo mod in the future.




Pulled the old controllers apart and cleaned every little part. Amazing how far dirt and dried skin gets into these things.




This was a complete impulse buy. I was ordering a new edge connector from here : https://www.lukiegames.com/  and saw they had used advantage's. I was too poor to own one of these as a kid, my buddy had one growing up and I remembered how cool it was. Still needed to be pulled apart and detailed, but it's a nice example.




These were games that I had at my dad's place as a kid. I came across them about 10 years ago while we were cleaning up his joint after he passed away. I had many more games, but sold those off in the early 90's for weed or rent money.

The picture is stunning on my CRT and I'm super happy with it. No jail bars, no fuzziness, no edge noise on certain sprites. Can't wait for the Everdrive N8 to come in.



good day.
« Last Edit: March 26, 2017, 06:51:24 pm by chopperthedog »

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Re: This old NES.
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2017, 05:07:22 pm »
Out of everyone on this forum I would expect you, oh awesome purveyor of awesomeness, to have the coveted Nintendo Revolver.  I am disappoint. 

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Re: This old NES.
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2017, 03:10:09 pm »
Out of everyone on this forum I would expect you, oh awesome purveyor of awesomeness, to have the coveted Nintendo Revolver.  I am disappoint.
/me hangs his head in shame. I can shred my awesome club card if need be.




Everdrive N8 came yesterday.  :applaud: Had an SDcard loaded an waiting, popped it in and was up and running. Very cool piece of hardware.

Packed away the carts I had instantly, even though it was 8, they just felt like clutter. Lets not forget the chore of having to change a cart just to play a different game. I could never be a true console collector guy, all the small sh!t and clutter would drive me nuts.



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Re: This old NES.
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2017, 03:13:39 pm »
Chopper always has the cool stuff. I love the stuff you find and do. I've book-marked nearly all of your threads with intention of shamelessly ripping you off.

2 Questions:

1. Is the RGB mod kit for the NES really $100?
2. Is it easy to RGB mod an average CRT TV?

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Re: This old NES.
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2017, 03:28:50 pm »
2 Questions:

1. Is the RGB mod kit for the NES really $100?
2. Is it easy to RGB mod an average CRT TV?
1. It ended up being $92.53 USD with shipping and it shipped from a guy in Ohio that Tim apparently has setup for US distribution.
2. Not sure never done that. I found a real 20" nice curved crt made in 2004 that has s-video and component in for 20 bucks off CL. I de-cased it from the ugly ass over sized silver plastic bubble it came in and just mounted the tube and chassis on a stand made out of some pipe and wood (seen in first pic). The picture through s-video is really sharp and clean.


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Re: This old NES.
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2017, 03:35:41 pm »
Thanks chopper!

S-video is waaaay easier. Time to hit up craigslist for a CRT TV.

I totally agree with tearing the ugly shell off the TV. There is something cool about running it open like that.

Again, nice clean mod.  :cheers:

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Re: This old NES and free Sega Genesis.
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2017, 01:59:08 pm »
Was telling an acquaintance about the fun with my NES and he said "I got something in my garage that I'll bring ya".




It was a free filthy Genesis and 3 carts with nothing else. Got nothing out of it upon initial testing. Took about 2min to figure out the 7805 was bad, put in a new one and ♪♪♪ SEGA ♪♪♪.




Complete tear down and bath given to shell. Cleaned up great, for sure not a museum piece. The VOID gunk was a ---smurfette--- to get off and was on all 4 sides, I suspect this was a video store rental unit from back in the day. I luckily purchased a sega controller last year to play the atari vcs 2 button home brews and hacks.




Learned quickly from the internet that the Genesis super easy to add s-video on. Ran to Fry's and picked up some parts. Original circuit called for a 75ohm resister on the chroma signal, but it was blowing out the image with color bleed on my crt. Stumbled upon the suggestion to use a 1k pot instead of the fixed resister. Worked perfectly, was able to dial in the image and it looks awesome on my crt tv.




Had to bust out the magnifier fo this one, 2 connections made for luma and chroma. Seems this was a later model 1, none of the tutorial pics were matching. The package size on the sony chip changed to the smaller surface mount instead of the larger through hole.




Even the moto 68000 is different along with the 7805 heat sink.




Jacks added to the back. Fry's only had a 5pk of red rca jacks, meh I know what each one does, proper colored jacks are overrated.

Never owned one of these growing up, couple friends had it and I would get to play one in random smatterings.

I debated with myself for about 30sec and ordered a Mega Everdrive X5. :applaud: Will be fun exploring the games when it comes in.



good day.
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Re: This old NES.
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2017, 02:02:19 pm »
NICE!

One of the best games on the Genesis:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skitchin'

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Re: This old NES and free Sega Genesis.
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2017, 02:41:54 pm »
If you're messing around on a Genesis PCB, you might as well add a region switch. 

Then when combined with a 32X / Power Base Converter  / Sega CD you'll see some amusing variations in the games.  Mystic Defender turns to Peacock King as the most dramatic one I remember.




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Re: This old NES and free Sega Genesis.
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2017, 07:26:35 pm »
Digging this thread. Nice job chopper, looks great.

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Re: This old NES and free Sega Genesis.
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2017, 03:51:12 pm »
None of the images come up, is it just me?

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Re: This old NES and free Sega Genesis.
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2017, 03:51:45 pm »
None of the images come up, is it just me?
yes, it's just you

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Re: This old NES and free Sega Genesis.
« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2017, 03:54:15 pm »
That will teach me to use the PC blindfolded again. Zeesh, I should have known better. LOL

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Re: This old NES and free Sega Genesis.
« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2017, 04:00:39 pm »
You should be able to see the pictures because chopper uploaded them directly to this forum.
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Re: This old NES and free Sega Genesis.
« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2017, 06:30:37 pm »
Weird, I don't see them in this thread. but I see images on other threads. I've never had an issue before and have been using this PC for a long time. time to do some digging... thanks.

edit: switched to another windows 7 PC and no images, switched again to a windows 10 PC and the images are there. Good thing I get paid to troubleshoot issues like this, LOL (Look at all the learning going on.)

In any case. Back to topic. I just rescued my old NES from obscurity in a box at my mothers. and I put composite on my Genesis long ago from the 9-pin? connector in the back. I steal stereo audio from the headphone jack too.
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Re: This old NES and free Sega Genesis.
« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2017, 10:01:51 pm »
Yeah, only way to get stereo out of those things was the headphone port.  And you really want the launch Genesis that doesn't have the stupid copyright notice.


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Re: This old NES and free Sega Genesis.
« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2017, 10:25:59 pm »
My ex-girlfriend still has my Genesis... unless she took a bat to it.
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Re: This old NES and free Sega Genesis.
« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2017, 03:50:19 pm »
Well..... Still waiting for the everdrive. stoneagegamer borked my order, apparently it didn't "show up" initially in there system. grrrrrrrr... got a tacking# a couple hours ago, we'll see.




I picked up 3 other games (Hard Drivin', Sonic 2 and World Series Baseball) last week real cheap. It helped to have some different games cause I was seeing some things in the image. I added a 2nd 1k trim pot in place of the resister on the luma circuit and that really allowed me to tune it up. All settings are back to being flat on my CRT and no changes needed when swapping out vcs, nes and genesis.




Composite above.




S-video above.

The small text on Hard Drivin' is great for seeing how crappy composite really is.

Yeah, only way to get stereo out of those things was the headphone port.  And you really want the launch Genesis that doesn't have the stupid copyright notice.

Yeah the one I've been playing with is basically a model 2 in a model 1 shell and has that warning and the crappy stereo audio mixing. I picked up the console below and it does not have that splash upon power up, also has a real moto 68000 (not the slow Signetics SCN68000 used on early launch models), and the Yamamha sound chip is also there. Will be fun comparing both.




Pawn shop had this console advertised on CL for $24.95 with no indication or pics of other crap. Asked about what comes with and pulled out a bag from under the counter with extra crap, cool I'll take it. Learned they don't do credit/debit under $50, He says "go get cash and I'll do it for $20 out the door", fine I'm no idiot and I'll walk a block and get cash. Works great.


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Re: This old NES and free Sega Genesis.
« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2017, 05:00:45 pm »
Finally got the everdrive and as expected it's an awesome product. Popped in the microSD card I had ready, powered on and was off and running. Keeping an eye out for a free or cheap 32X after educating myself on it.






Found this adorable little black shelf (most items like this are chrome) at Menards. Came as a 30" tall shelf, but I copped it to 20" tall for my needs. Slides right in the open spot under the 19" lcd when not in use.




The og sega game pads were pissing me off (silicone membranes were very tired with d-pad issues). First tried the retro-bit and that was garbage, the older Rhino to the left was actually pretty fair and I might revisit it. Always read good things about the interact propad's and found a couple nib on ebay for $8 each. The propad6 is an awesome controller, the in between size is perfect, d-pad is great and that's without getting into the other features of it. Was also cool to open something new that was 23 years old.


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Re: This old NES and free Sega Genesis.
« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2017, 05:05:40 pm »
I am diggin' on your console gaming niche.  I might have to get out to some spring garage sales and find some retro gold myself.  ;)

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Re: This old NES and free Sega Genesis.
« Reply #20 on: March 11, 2017, 12:37:06 am »
Love the racked consoles.  Do you just jumper that set of RCAs to whatever console you wanna play?

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Re: This old NES and free Sega Genesis.
« Reply #21 on: March 11, 2017, 05:23:47 pm »
Love the racked consoles.  Do you just jumper that set of RCAs to whatever console you wanna play?
Nah, I just move one being played to top and patch cables that are zip tied there. With the everdrives (except the mega X7) and harmony cart you need to keep the reset buttons within reach for changing games.



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« Reply #22 on: March 26, 2017, 07:00:02 pm »
So, I did end up finding an X32 at a local shop for cheap, but it was "no returns", untested and came with no cables or ps. Took the gamble on it and ordered a model 1 to 32X cable. I tested it first with just pulling composite out of the port with 2 wires inserted into jack. Got kinda a grey garbled mess, some searches educated me about the 2 internal white ribbon cables. Cleaned and reseated both and the video output looked great and it worked perfectly.




Adding s-video to the 32X is super simple and only needs 1 resistor, 1 transistor. All the tutorials I found have you installing the s-video jack towards the top of the unit like a Frankenstein neck lug. I had an s-video extension in a box of stuff and nipped off the female end and was able to feed the wire through with no drilling.




I also ordered a new 9v dc 3amp regulated power supply to take place of the unregulated 1.2amp unit I had been using. The 32X needed its own supply, I just made a jumper to power 32X off the parallel power jack from the genesis. The new 3amp supply powers both with ease.




Sega does what Nintendont :p . Some pretty cool games on this thing. The video out put also cleans up that rainbow banding that occurs on video direct from the genesis. Neat little piece of hardware and the everdrive supports all the 32X games except for the 4 or 5 that use the sega cd at the same time. I also have fun plugging the patch cable from the genesis into the av out on the 32X while a game is running and it still gets the sync, but drops out everything the genesis is adding to the video overlay of the 32X.




Always had some mild interest in the N64 and seemed like a nice addition to my console exploration collection. I've been wanting to check out this store that runs CL ads, but it's like 45mi west of me and the main route can be a crap shoot for traffic on any day. Had a sliver of time to be able to run out there after making a pick-up for work about 6mi from the joint. Had about 20min to shop and was able to assemble a nice little package for a nice price. I really want to go back to that store at some point with more time and be able to dig through all the layers of stuff there. Link to their CL ads:  https://chicago.craigslist.org/search/sss?query=yorkville+rockstar&sort=date








I wasn't interested in adding/purchasing a new cable set-up for the AV out on the N64, since I already have good s-video and audio cables on my set up I looked into just adding jacks to the N64. Ended up being a matter of making the connections with 5 wires to the bottom of the AV port to the jacks themselves. It seems the PAL folks have to jump through extra hoops for s-vid. Nice clean image now, I dealt with composite for a week til the s-video jack came in this weekend.




I reworked my wrapped cable snake, removed the composite and older power cable. Added the new 9vdc regulated cable and also 120v with a 2pin molex plug for the power supply of the N64.

It's a lot of fun exploring these older systems, plus I don't have the butthurt fanboi opinions of some person that had an x-mas ruined or feels they were screwed out of money at some point in his/her life back in the day.



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Re: This old NES and free Sega Genesis. now with N64.
« Reply #23 on: March 26, 2017, 08:05:16 pm »
Thanks for posting those conversion pics of the N64. I've got an extra one I'd like to try that with at some point.

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Re: This old NES and free Sega Genesis. now with N64.
« Reply #24 on: March 26, 2017, 08:38:24 pm »
Any slowdown in Sonic 1 when you lose your rings while playing it through the 32X?


  
 

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