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TCA - Robotron Restoration Part 3: Assembly!
« on: February 05, 2017, 06:32:06 pm »
For those of you that have been watching our series on restoring a Robotron cabinet, here's the final restoration video in the series.

https://youtu.be/bIowX74Dfsc




If you want to check out the complete series, including our pickup episode click this link for the playlist: 
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLetD3q8wjx5Xt3A_UFpPVAXAT1wBl1m8p



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LINKS:
-Robotron Repro Control Panel Plates: https://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=366503
-How to Install Vinyl Artwork: https://youtu.be/TCMadIQaBG0
-Home Depot LED Marquee light: https://www.homedepot.ca/en/home/p.18-inch-led-under-cabinet-light.1000859072.html
-Williams Repro Speaker Grills: https://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=392626
-How to Make Your Own Keychains: https://youtu.be/mLtmbm2vXv4
-JROK Multi-Williams PCB: http://v2.globalwebcart.com/arcadeshop/i/1121/williams-multigame-jamma-pcb.htm
-Robotron Operation Sheet: https://www.mikesarcade.com/arcade/opsheets.html
-Robotron Repro Bezel and Control Panel Overlay: http://www.phoenixarcade.com/art.htm
-Robotron Repro Marquee: http://v2.globalwebcart.com/arcadeshop/i/779/robotron-upright-marquee.htm

All music by: Jeff Kaale: https://soundcloud.com/jeff-kaale
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Re: TCA - Robotron Restoration Part 3: Assembly!
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2017, 07:47:47 pm »
Ugh. What a waste of a great game.

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Re: TCA - Robotron Restoration Part 3: Assembly!
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2017, 08:58:09 pm »
Ugh. What a waste of a great game.

Exactly, I think it was much better as a broken down Shinobi with bukake stains down the sides of it like we found it!

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Re: TCA - Robotron Restoration Part 3: Assembly!
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2017, 09:03:11 pm »

Putting your fantasies aside, I'm sick of seeing you guys take techniques you've learned off this forum without giving credit, and propagating it to your shameful representation of Canada (ffs put some pride in your logo instead of picking a font and putting a stroke around it)  while shilling for YouTube clicks when even Chance has "preached" about the spirit of this forum in the past.









Hypocrisy at it finest.
How about posting your progress logs here instead of shilling your vids? Isnt that the spirit of this forum?
How about giving credit to those you learned from here?
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Re: TCA - Robotron Restoration Part 3: Assembly!
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2017, 09:13:47 pm »
I stand by my comments in that Instagram thread.

100%

They also weren't directed at you Opt, but you seem to constantly cite them as why you have beef. (And I still don't have any for you back, so I'm confused...)


This forum is about people building their own arcades. Not about shitting on every little different thing that you as an established member feel is "wrong".

It makes me sick that people here are allowed to discourage the very spirit of this site.

Must make you sick every time you see me post or some one uses my build as inspiration.

In the end, you're just a hater. A troll. Posting negative comments that just make you look petty and stupid. If you only put the effort you waste toward being positive, or ignoring comments, you'd be a much happier person.

I'm gonna keep being me, you just do what you want.
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Re: TCA - Robotron Restoration Part 3: Assembly!
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2017, 09:26:48 pm »
....Hypocrisy at it finest.
How about posting your progress logs here instead of shilling your vids? Isnt that the spirit of this forum?
How about giving credit to those you learned from here?

I just want to address these comments directly.

First, i am still sharing my progress here. thats what this video is. My build progress. It lives on Youtube due to the technical limitations of the forums. I've chosen to evolve my usual build threads from picture and text to video. Thats my choice.  I'm still spreading the progress. I just find it more entertaining and reaches more people this way.

Second, i have never once not given credit where credit is due. if you feel i have in any way not, then please call me out on it.  When i refer to "...what i have made" in the instagram comments to Chris im talking about my build as a whole as he cites my build as his inspiration, which in my build gives credit for people like Neph and Jarett.

Soooo...  :dunno

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Re: TCA - Robotron Restoration Part 3: Assembly!
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2017, 09:36:34 pm »
Enh, none of my business. Have a great evening everyone!!!
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« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2017, 09:41:10 pm »
Nice deflection, but you didn't answer my questions. Why haven't you contributed to this forum since the onset of your YouTube channel?

Of course you stand by your comments in that instigram thread because you're a coward who felt the need to stroke your narcissism by throwing fellow members of the forum under the bus trying to make it seem like you're some sort of authority on how people should post their opinions here. Or that you have some kind of idea of the spirit of the forum.
Posting your progress here IS the spirit of this forum. Not for shilling your channel.

And though it wasn't directed at me, it was directed at members who have been here contributing a long time before you arrived, AND who have been contributing while you have abandoned the spirit of this place.
I respect those members, and respect their contributions. They give credit where credit is due. They stay humble and take opinions whether negative or not, like champs. You just siphon what you can from here, repurposing it on your vids, and get butthurt when anyone has a different opinion than yours.
That's seriously wrong, man.
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Re: TCA - Robotron Restoration Part 3: Assembly!
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2017, 09:56:58 pm »
Word of advice - spend more time around here just being a part of the community. You only post to pitch videos or when someone posts in your thread. You say you don't take things on the Internet seriously. Then brush off the comments and move on.

Im sick of it too Paul. But you're incorrect, I'm here daily. I choose to only post replies to threads i want to, including mine, other builds i like, content i want to post, etc. I choose to post less then I used to because i didn't feel i needed to be in the conversation all the time. Besides, i've taken more of a restoration approach then a build from scratch approach. 

You're asking me to spend more time being part of the community, but when i make posts on stuff that i'm interested in be a part of i get negative comments by trolls.  The alternative is i do what many have in the past and take my ball and go home, deleting threads and comments alike, but i'm not going to do that.

I don't take things here too seriously, which is why you see me post so little and only when its something to add.


Nice deflection, but you didn't answer my questions. Why haven't you contributed to this forum since the onset of your YouTube channel?
  Because i'm not building my own, I'm working on them, and trollish comments like yours in the past have discouraged me from spending more time then i need to being part of conversations (some that frankly I'm not interested in)  Some one makes a cool build, or posts something that i'm passionate about, i'll comment (and i do, maybe look at my post history)...

Of course you stand by your comments in that instigram thread because you're a coward who felt the need to stroke your narcissism by throwing fellow members of the forum under the bus trying to make it seem like you're some sort of authority on how people should post their opinions here. Or that you have some kind of idea of the spirit of the forum.
Posting your progress here IS the spirit of this forum. Not for shilling your channel.

And though it wasn't directed at me, it was directed at members who have been here contributing a long time before you arrived, AND who have been contributing while you have abandoned the spirit of this place.
I respect those members, and respect their contributions. They give credit where credit is due. They stay humble and take opinions whether negative or not, like champs. You just siphon what you can from here, repurposing it on your vids, and get butthurt when anyone has a different opinion than yours.
That's seriously wrong, man.

I'm not a coward.  I'm not a narcissist. And i'm Definitely NOT an authority on anything.  Maybe if you spent some time looking for the positives in what i'm trying to share you'd see that.

I'm choosing to evolve what i used to do (making threads filled with pictures and typed copy), to making videos.

And in case you failed to read my previous post, I'm not missing an opportunity to give credit anyplace.

If people want to have a different opinion thats awesome, and i champion that. But when people go and discourage someone from continuing to add content (as per the conversation i had with Chris on Instagram), then Thats bad. For all of us.


Maybe, just maybe instead of wasting your time posting negative, unsolicited, and passive aggressive comments like this:
^ Its alright. Whenever Chance posts that happens anyway.
Ugh. What a waste of a great game.
...you just stop opening threads i create? 


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Re: TCA - Robotron Restoration Part 3: Assembly!
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2017, 10:12:08 pm »
You can call me a troll all you want. I'll own that when it comes to you, because of the aforementioned actions you've made. Posting grievances of forum members outside of the forum, and threatening to go to the mods to tattle on them...how is that not cowardice? It's like hockey, what's on the ice stays on the ice.  Just own up to it, man.

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« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2017, 10:21:48 pm »
Here's the fundamental problem with posting your vids. Posterity. What happens if your vid goes down? Or if YouTube decides some policy on copyright or whatever and restricts that vid?
At least when posting here there is a better chance of keeping the information you want to contribute secured from loss.
This is why we always tell people to post their build logs and pictures here rather than linking to external sources. I get you want to "up your game", but that doesn't mean you can't post the way the spirit of the  community expects.

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Re: TCA - Robotron Restoration Part 3: Assembly!
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2017, 10:51:21 pm »
You can call me a troll all you want. I'll own that when it comes to you, because of the aforementioned actions you've made. Posting grievances of forum members outside of the forum, and threatening to go to the mods to tattle on them...how is that not cowardice? It's like hockey, what's on the ice stays on the ice.  Just own up to it, man.

A user of this forum was being discouraged to post content on this forum.
He posted that frustration on Instagram.
I did not see that as fair, or advancing innovation or creativity here.
I called it out. I would have done it for you too. Still would.
Wheres the problem in that?

....This is the internet, not a beer hockey league. Don't take it so seriously.
I don't, which is why i only post in relevant threads of my choosing.
Especially not negative comments for the sake of being negative.

Here's the fundamental problem with posting your vids. Posterity. What happens if your vid goes down? Or if YouTube decides some policy on copyright or whatever and restricts that vid?
At least when posting here there is a better chance of keeping the information you want to contribute secured from loss.
This is why we always tell people to post their build logs and pictures here rather than linking to external sources. I get you want to "up your game", but that doesn't mean you can't post the way the spirit of the  community expects.

Then the content is gone.

Same as when people delete their threads, their copy, their flickr pages. 

I'd argue the sustainability of content on multi-million dollar platforms like Flickr, and youTube greater then that of a mostly privately funded forum like the BYOAC.

What happens to the content other creators like us have made for people to enjoy and learn from if the BYOAC goes down? This site had server issues last year.

I've chosen to not only secure the longevity of my content by putting it on a source that will undoubtedly outlive the BYOAC, but where it can also reach more people to help/entertain more people. 

I've also chosen to evolve the type of content i make from written text and pictures, to smaller videos that on a personal level push myself to be more creative, and allow me to become better at making content.

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Re: TCA - Robotron Restoration Part 3: Assembly!
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2017, 11:17:20 pm »
Side note:

We post our videos on KLOV, BYOAC, CGCC, Pinside, Reddit, Twitter, Instagram, and about a dozen Facebook groups, just to name a few. We also refrain from posting a video on one of those locations if it isn't relevant, (so, if its a video on Nintendo cabinet buttons we wouldn't post it on Pinside, or the Williams Defender FB group).

Here's the interesting fact, we only ever get negative response on two of those places: Reddit, and here on the BYOAC.  Surprisingly, we get less then a quarter of the negative response on Reddit then we do here. 

Lets be honest, our channel is nothing special. We're not grossing 2 million Subs and over 100k views an episode. But we do want to make interesting and creative work that may help/entertain/educate other people in this hobby. We're both learning too, and we want to give back where we can.  That includes sharing relevant content on the BYOAC.

I've sent a message to Saint some of the other mods asking for some kind of opinion on us sharing content here. If they feel we're out of line, we'll no longer post our content here.

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Re: TCA - Robotron Restoration Part 3: Assembly!
« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2017, 12:22:56 pm »
First, i am still sharing my progress here. thats what this video is. My build progress. It lives on Youtube due to the technical limitations of the forums. I've chosen to evolve my usual build threads from picture and text to video. Thats my choice.  I'm still spreading the progress. I just find it more entertaining and reaches more people this way.

I already know you're going to call me a troll but Im hoping you'll hear me out.

Can you see the post from some one else's perspective? You start a thread and the only real content is a link to your youtube video. Stating its due to a limitation of the forum is disingenuous at best. If you just have to post a video because text and pictures limits you too much creatively, how about you cut your intros off, host them on vimeo/vine/tinypic/etc and let us watch them without any chance (PUN!) of you getting paid for us watching it?

 Beyond that, you have, in the past,  posted the same video more than once, in multiple sections. For example you posted the "how to build a nintendo base" video in both the project section (even though its not a project) and the restoration section (even though its not a restoration).  When it could have easily been posted in your pinned Nintendo cab thread. It just feels like the preference is pushing the channel over putting the content where it belongs.


That being said, I prefer to have pictures and text over video. So feel free to take some pix of the restore , slap a big ass Canadian Arcade logo in to corner and post it here. I love me some restores.

Here's the interesting fact, we only ever get negative response on two of those places: Reddit, and here on the BYOAC.  Surprisingly, we get less then a quarter of the negative response on Reddit then we do here. 
Isn't the first rule of show business to "know your audience" ? If you consistently get negative response here, why keep linking to all your videos? If it makes you feel better I'd be happy to start complaining on Reddit, Pinside, and KLOV as well.
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Re: TCA - Robotron Restoration Part 3: Assembly!
« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2017, 12:53:51 pm »
I have no problem with Chance posting his videos here.  None at all.

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« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2017, 02:26:09 pm »
 ::)
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Re: TCA - Robotron Restoration Part 3: Assembly!
« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2017, 11:22:11 am »
With a bajillion hobby related video channels these days... They all just ooze an essence vanity and ego self stroking. These machines are decades old. All the information is already out there. All these new videos are exhaustively redundant.
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« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2017, 04:33:43 pm »
I have no problem with Chance posting his videos here.  None at all.

This ^^ 

Isn't the first rule of show business to "know your audience" ? If you consistently get negative response here, why keep linking to all your videos? If it makes you feel better I'd be happy to start complaining on Reddit, Pinside, and KLOV as well.

Because you and the handful of people that complained aren't in the majority and aren't the only ones who use this site?
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« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2017, 06:54:19 pm »
Is it a Canadian thing to reply to your own posts?  I'm down with french fries and gravy but that's kinda weird.


It's also weird not to be at the center of forum drama. Anyway, I think you're both pretty.

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Re: TCA - Robotron Restoration Part 3: Assembly!
« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2017, 07:01:33 pm »
I'm down with french fries and gravy but that's kinda weird.

You forgot the cheese curds...

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« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2017, 10:15:31 pm »
Isn't the first rule of show business to "know your audience" ? If you consistently get negative response here, why keep linking to all your videos? If it makes you feel better I'd be happy to start complaining on Reddit, Pinside, and KLOV as well.

Because you and the handful of people that complained aren't in the majority and aren't the only ones who use this site?
He said it not me. I looked on reddit, he doesnt get negative comments there. He doesnt get any comments except on a few pinball vids.
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« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2017, 10:25:52 pm »
Ah, reddit, the fountain of wisdom from the dateless that are too young to buy alcohol.

Lot of quality discourse happening there.


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« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2017, 11:31:47 pm »
He said it not me. I looked on reddit, he doesnt get negative comments there. He doesnt get any comments except on a few pinball vids.

Don't think you understood what I was quoting...

Isn't the first rule of show business to "know your audience" ? If you consistently get negative response here, why keep linking to all your videos?

Because you and the handful of people that complained aren't in the majority and aren't the only ones who use this site?

If you're not the audience then how hard is it to move along and ignore the thread instead of ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- on it? It gets tedious to see a personal beef get rehashed under the guise of making the forum better.  ::)

Don't get the toxicity. :dunno Let the man post his videos, ignore them if you don't like them, simple as that.

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Re: TCA - Robotron Restoration Part 3: Assembly!
« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2017, 08:05:25 am »
Because you and the handful of people that complained aren't in the majority and aren't the only ones who use this site?

If you're not the audience then how hard is it to move along and ignore the thread instead of ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- on it? It gets tedious to see a personal beef get rehashed under the guise of making the forum better.  ::)

Don't get the toxicity. :dunno Let the man post his videos, ignore them if you don't like them, simple as that.

Toxicity? I not sure how you think I was shitting on this thread. I was cordial, expressed my opinion without attacking, and offered examples. I have no issue with him posting videos in appropriate sections, merely said that *I* prefer pictures and text, especially for restores. They are just easier to digest for *me*. There is no ruse in my previous post, has nothing to do with "making the forum better".  It is completely possible for him to have a video at the top, then pictures and text under that.
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Re: TCA - Robotron Restoration Part 3: Assembly!
« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2017, 09:58:02 am »
I think where some of these videos rub some people the wrong way is... BYOAC is a community. And these videos don't really engage the community (other than bitching about whether or not people like them). Usually a thread starts off with an explanation, back story, or question. The first paragraph of a thread either grabs someone's attention or it may cause them to hit the back button. BYOAC is a forum, and discussion keeps forums alive. Videos don't allow any room for discussion during viewing, and very little after. A build thread will usually draw out ideas and opinions from dozens of members, which is the whole point of this forum.

A hobby related video made to be broadcast across many different channels (forums, social media, etc) is not special. IMO, it's :spam:

Nothing wrong with making them if you want. But as Malenko said, "know your audience." And the vast majority of members on hobby related forums won't benefit much, since a lot of info in videos is just regurgitated. So on these forums, at best, all these videos really do is waste time to check out a project. In a forum environment, a write up with a hand full of pics will go much farther than a video. I'd rather spend 5 minutes reading the first post of a thread, than a half hour watching a video of something I've already done. By all means, keep posting the videos to youtube, that's where you will be much more likely to catch the attention of someone outside the hobby and draw them in. Here... well, we're all here already.
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Re: TCA - Robotron Restoration Part 3: Assembly!
« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2017, 10:24:59 am »
Chance,

I enjoyed your video. It's informative and I actually learn a bit more from videos than a bunch of pictures. Keep up the good work at spreading the word on this hobby! Don't get discouraged! This is a place for everyone.

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Re: TCA - Robotron Restoration Part 3: Assembly!
« Reply #26 on: February 13, 2017, 02:47:12 pm »
I'm of mixed minds on the videos.

They're definitely a drive-by (with a bit of bird-flipping) and don't foster community-building here, but the videos are pretty decent and enthusiastic. They save Chance and Josh from choosing one venue or another for restoration threads. Folks like me will generally check at all the relevant sites if we're looking for something, but not everybody does so same info on multiple sites can serve a purpose.

There are also some little tricks that folks typically don't talk about in project threads that get mention in the videos (I liked the power block clean-up and bolt refinishing). Sure the "I like to _____ with my projects" is a little grating when the practice is either common or you know the original (unattributed) source, but it isn't like saying "I came up with this really clever idea." Oddly, saying "it's a good idea to _____" is somehow less grating, despite being more authoritarian.

Having said that, there are folks on other boards who don't like them despite Chance's observed feedback. They're just quieter about it.

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Re: TCA - Robotron Restoration Part 3: Assembly!
« Reply #27 on: February 13, 2017, 03:16:12 pm »
I'm of mixed minds on the videos.

They're definitely a drive-by (with a bit of bird-flipping) and don't foster community-building here, but the videos are pretty decent and enthusiastic. They save Chance and Josh from choosing one venue or another for restoration threads. Folks like me will generally check at all the relevant sites if we're looking for something, but not everybody does so same info on multiple sites can serve a purpose.

There are also some little tricks that folks typically don't talk about in project threads that get mention in the videos (I liked the power block clean-up and bolt refinishing). Sure the "I like to _____ with my projects" is a little grating when the practice is either common or you know the original (unattributed) source, but it isn't like saying "I came up with this really clever idea." Oddly, saying "it's a good idea to _____" is somehow less grating, despite being more authoritarian.

Having said that, there are folks on other boards who don't like them despite Chance's observed feedback. They're just quieter about it.

Side note:We post our videos on KLOV, BYOAC, CGCC, Pinside, Reddit, Twitter, Instagram, and about a dozen Facebook groups, just to name a few

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Re: TCA - Robotron Restoration Part 3: Assembly!
« Reply #28 on: February 16, 2017, 09:23:02 am »

Having said that, there are folks on other boards who don't like them despite Chance's observed feedback. They're just quieter about it.


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Re: TCA - Robotron Restoration Part 3: Assembly!
« Reply #29 on: February 16, 2017, 09:50:08 am »
Having said that, there are folks on other boards who don't like them despite Chance's observed feedback. They're just quieter about it.

And that goes both ways...

As in all fora, the majority is silent.

The point I was making was a counter to Chase's jagged dig at BYOAC. After all, the public nature of the objections here tracks back to existing ill will between Chase and other members for perceived transgressions.

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Re: TCA - Robotron Restoration Part 3: Assembly!
« Reply #30 on: February 16, 2017, 11:29:20 am »

Having said that, there are folks on other boards who don't like them despite Chance's observed feedback. They're just quieter about it.


And that goes both ways...
There's also a third option, one that states that most people don't care one way or the other. :cheers:
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Re: TCA - Robotron Restoration Part 3: Assembly!
« Reply #31 on: February 16, 2017, 02:13:56 pm »
I like the videos and only found out about them due to the forum post.  In fact, I subscribed to the channel.  As I was surfing around youtube I also notice delusionals channel.  Subscribed to that one too.

Don't like videos?  Don't care one way or the other?  Then don't read threads like this one.  Problems solved.

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Re: TCA - Robotron Restoration Part 3: Assembly!
« Reply #32 on: February 16, 2017, 02:25:10 pm »
Don't like videos?  Don't care one way or the other?  Then don't read threads like this one.  Problems solved.

I like the fact that Chase has been tagging the more recent threads with 'TCA' as it allows filtering.

Of course, telling people "then don't _____" is part of what caused this specific problem in the first place. That type of response only solves "the problem" if everybody else's perception of "the problem" is the same as yours.

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