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Project BEAT DOWN CENTRAL
« on: January 10, 2017, 04:54:23 am »
G'day fellas. James from Australia here. I've just joined up but I've been lurking around for the past few weeks. Mostly been studying Chances build like a lot of people seem to have been doing. I stumbled across it while scouring the net for decent build plans and guides but couldn't find anything I liked. His seems to suit me to a tee. Only thing I plan to change is the CP. I'll be making a more curved kinda one. (EDIT- Maybe. The aircraft carrier style is growing on me)

Here is the link to Chances el primo quality original build : http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,135116.0.html
Mine will be a bit more basic (Codename - Underambitios) than his. If you want to know how to build this yourself I suggest you go to his page as he has lots of info.

This cab will be primarily for fighting games but everything will get a go on there. Basically it had to be 4-player (for TMNT and NBA Jam) and able to fit a 32" LCD that I have lying around here. Powering it will be my old PC which isn't too bad in fact. It almost still cuts the cheese these days with PC games. I plan on setting it up with Ubuntu and trying the Retropie x86 setup.
(EDIT- I'm trying Maximus Arcade first. Looks real nice and so damn easy to setup. And it just works, no crap.)

I will be building this thing using (Dung dung duuung!!) particle board. Hate on my friends...  lol. Yeah I'd prefer to go with MDF or whatever that other one is, but I stumbled across these kick ass huge pieces of particle at the local hardware store that had 1 side slightly damaged on them for $2ea!! I couldn't say no and its the only reason this project has come to fruition. And hey if its good enough for them in the old days its good enough for me now. I've thumped it and tried bending it and it sure feels pretty solid to me.

Ok I've got wood, glue, and a bunch of tools here already my next step is to get some screws and also find somewhere I can get Chance's template printed out.
In the meantime I've started looking for joystick/button kits. If anyone has any advice on what to look out for and where to get them that would be greatly appreciated. From what I'm gathering Sanwa are the sticks to go for? Will be hammering this with lots of fighting games so don't want no weak spring sticks I'm guessing.

Thanks for reading and I look forward to mixing it up with you all

 
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Re: Project BEAT EM UP DOWN UNDER
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2017, 09:56:03 am »
Cool! Can't wait to see how this turns out!

In response to your question on my thread:

... I could use some tips on joysticks and buttons as it turns out. Will be playing mostly beat em up's on the machine would you have any recommendations? Should I make sure I get a SANWA brand stick ya think?


Controls are VERY subject. As for buttons a good solid choice is always a HAPP or IL Button from Paradise Arcade. If you want to spend a little more, I'd say both CLASSX from GroovyGameGear with leaf switches, or the Gold Leaf buttons from Ultimarc. Both are solid high end choices you might want to look at for the type of games you're playing.

Sticks are tough, with so many options it's confusing. Most games in particilar play best with the stick they were actually shipped with back in the day. Which is why I try and put the right one with the right game when I'm doing a restore: 4" Wico for Robotron, Nintendo sticks for Nintendo games, etc. In the MAME world I keep coming back to JSticks from Ultimarc, a good SANWA, or some of the more pricey leaf switch sticks for a higher end from GGG. Again, all personal preference.

Don't worry over it too much, remember, this is supposed to be fun. :)

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Re: Project BEAT EM UP DOWN UNDER
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2017, 11:11:23 am »

Thanks for the input mate. I'll check into the j-sticks. There's that many choices its ridiculous lol! Starting to think I may just get 2 ebay 2-player kits and be done with it for now. Really liking those chrome trimmed buttons at the moment too. Reckon they'd look dead sexy with some chrome t-moulding to match on a darkish cab. I can always get fussy later and switch out the sticks I guess.

Looking at these ones for starters : http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/262705640280?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Also really digging these player buttons : http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/262705570893?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&var=561630385114&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

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« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2017, 12:23:46 pm »
i'd avoid the ebay chepo kits personally.

It's worth it to spend a little money on the controls.

Thats more of a personal opinion tho.

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« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2017, 12:28:41 pm »
i'd avoid the ebay chepo kits personally.

It's worth it to spend a little money on the controls.

Thats more of a personal opinion tho.
I'd avoid the ones with the chrome ringed buttons. If you grew up in arcades, those flat buttons don't feel like the ones you grew up with at all.

And Chance is right, spend a little more money on the joystick. In the long run, it's worth it more than any light up button you'll ever buy.
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« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2017, 08:32:50 pm »

Cheers guys I'll keep looking around. Just would prefer to get some sort of kit if possible not keen on working out wiring and such too much. I just finished doing an engine conversion on my old ute (modern motor into old car) and had to make up my own engine/ecu loom and it took forever so my brain wants a break from wiring and diagrams and working out what this is and what that does. Just for a bit anyway lol.

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« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2017, 08:51:15 pm »

Cheers guys I'll keep looking around. Just would prefer to get some sort of kit if possible not keen on working out wiring and such too much. I just finished doing an engine conversion on my old ute (modern motor into old car) and had to make up my own engine/ecu loom and it took forever so my brain wants a break from wiring and diagrams and working out what this is and what that does. Just for a bit anyway lol.
Buy a cheap JAMMA harness and use the wiring from that.
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« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2017, 11:36:52 pm »

Cheers guys I'll keep looking around. Just would prefer to get some sort of kit if possible not keen on working out wiring and such too much. I just finished doing an engine conversion on my old ute (modern motor into old car) and had to make up my own engine/ecu loom and it took forever so my brain wants a break from wiring and diagrams and working out what this is and what that does. Just for a bit anyway lol.
Buy a cheap JAMMA harness and use the wiring from that.

Ok I'll look into that. Thanks a lot mate.

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« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2017, 11:41:45 pm »

Cheers guys I'll keep looking around. Just would prefer to get some sort of kit if possible not keen on working out wiring and such too much. I just finished doing an engine conversion on my old ute (modern motor into old car) and had to make up my own engine/ecu loom and it took forever so my brain wants a break from wiring and diagrams and working out what this is and what that does. Just for a bit anyway lol.
Buy a cheap JAMMA harness and use the wiring from that.

Ok I'll look into that. Thanks a lot mate.
No worries,  you'll be happy you did.
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« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2017, 12:49:31 am »

OK so the printing place I'm going through is officially giving me the shits. It doesn't take 4 hours to resize a pdf and print it off man what the hell. I haven't paid anything yet so I'm debating wether or not to get out the ruler and pencil and forgo the printed stencil all together... Really wanted to wrap this up today grrr.

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« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2017, 01:02:48 am »
Hmmm look what I found in the garage. This could come in handy if I can figure out how to use it lol.

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« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2017, 02:03:40 am »
LOL dont think a laser measure will help you much :p

Fighter enthusiasts tend to go with JLF sticks if that helps you at all.
With a octagonal gate.

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« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2017, 02:52:48 am »
LOL dont think a laser measure will help you much :p

Fighter enthusiasts tend to go with JLF sticks if that helps you at all.
With a octagonal gate.

Lol yeah probably not. Might just stick it on the cab and tell everyone its the control panel for a space ship. :)

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« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2017, 10:04:21 am »
I have updated the download package to include a 1-to-1 scale PDF document for better printing on large format printers.  I've amended the old attachment to "Version 2.0" found here:  http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,135116.msg1473385.html#msg1473385

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« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2017, 10:38:11 pm »
I have updated the download package to include a 1-to-1 scale PDF document for better printing on large format printers.  I've amended the old attachment to "Version 2.0" found here:  http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,135116.msg1473385.html#msg1473385

You the man Chance! My printer got it upsized ok but I'm sure this will be very handy for lots of people in the future.

And speaking of such, I got my template print out today! Woohoo! Now to stick this sucker down and get cutting. Mucho excitemento!!!

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« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2017, 10:47:37 pm »
Now bust out that saw and cut a board....



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« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2017, 03:35:43 am »
For joysticks and buttons in Australia try ozstick.com.au. He is our Australian supplier for ultimarc stuff and other things.


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« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2017, 05:27:38 am »
For joysticks and buttons in Australia try ozstick.com.au. He is our Australian supplier for ultimarc stuff and other things.


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Ooh nice. I'll definitely check them out thanks mate. Ive only found one Aussie supplier so far.

Well I've cut the side panels out with the help of chances template that I got printed. Worked a treat. I'm surprised at how nicely the particle board cut. I thought it was gonna end up a mangled mess on the edges but no. I'll throw up a pic when I get home.  I also stopped in Bunnings today and picked up a bunch of wood screws and some 19mm timber for the inner bracing.

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« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2017, 08:07:06 am »
This is my third time writing this...The first two were a bit more detailed...damn picture files were too big.. Bah!


Not bad for a rookie I think. I clamped both pieces together and cut them as one using a jigsaw and a straight piece of wood to guide me on the straights. Gonna use that sander to go round the edges to ensure both sides are a perfect match although they came out near perfect as is.

Oh yeah, and I accidentally cut the corner off of my table haha, oops. :)

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« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2017, 10:10:25 am »
When sawdust starts flying, sometimes the innocent (tables) suffer.

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« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2017, 10:15:38 am »
LOL dude is after my heart. 

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« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2017, 10:35:22 am »
LOL dude is after my heart.
Table > Designer Jeans
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« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2017, 10:56:52 am »
Table > Jeans > PBJ's beanbag


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« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2017, 02:32:22 am »
When sawdust starts flying, sometimes the innocent (tables) suffer.


Haha yep. Lucky it's only a cheapie.

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« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2017, 02:35:56 am »
Guys I'm up to the stage where I can start the inner bracing on the side panels. Not sure where to start though. Any advice on this is greatly appreciated. I'm gonna have a hunt around now and see what I can dig up.

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« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2017, 11:20:54 pm »

Little tip for guys who have cut their sides with a jigsaw like me. Keep the panels clamped together after you cut and run a square along the edges. This will identify spots where the jigsaw has cut on slight angles instead of straight down. You'll be able to see the slight gaps.

Get a long board sander like the one pictured a few posts up, its great for sanding the edges nice and straight. Use a smaller palm sized sander for the curves.
Also it is a good idea to spray some paint on the edges you want to sand as a guide. This will identify where you are sanding and where you should be sanding and any high or low spots. This is something I picked up while working on car bodies and I think it helps a lot.  My side panels are now identical and nice and straight and the cuts are not angled at all now.

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« Reply #26 on: January 14, 2017, 04:09:05 am »

Hmm well that sux. Sourced a router to do my t-moulding slots but the smallest size bit Bunnings has is 4mm. I need between 1.6mm - 2.0mm. Mucho frustrato...

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« Reply #27 on: January 14, 2017, 06:44:15 am »
Guys I'm up to the stage where I can start the inner bracing on the side panels. Not sure where to start though. Any advice on this is greatly appreciated. I'm gonna have a hunt around now and see what I can dig up.

If you mean cross bracing, Mine is braced across the base, Across the middle bellow the monitor and the top of the monitor bellow the marquee.

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« Reply #28 on: January 15, 2017, 07:54:39 am »
Guys I'm up to the stage where I can start the inner bracing on the side panels. Not sure where to start though. Any advice on this is greatly appreciated. I'm gonna have a hunt around now and see what I can dig up.

If you mean cross bracing, Mine is braced across the base, Across the middle bellow the monitor and the top of the monitor bellow the marquee.

Thanks for your reply mate. I was thinking more the steps used to map out where they are positioned on either side. I've started just measuring and marking lines on the one side  and I'll measure and try replicate on the other side I guess that's all you can do really.

I'm having a hell of a time finding this slot cutting bit locally it seems there isn't one in the entire state! The ones I've found online aren't cheap either it's almost the same cost as a cheap router itself!

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« Reply #29 on: January 15, 2017, 04:03:38 pm »

Hmm well that sux. Sourced a router to do my t-moulding slots but the smallest size bit Bunnings has is 4mm. I need between 1.6mm - 2.0mm. Mucho frustrato...

I got my router bit from Groovy Game Gear. Costs a bit to get it sent to 'Straya, so order your t-molding at the same time.
http://groovygamegear.com/webstore/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=75&products_id=330

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« Reply #30 on: January 15, 2017, 04:29:34 pm »
Guys I'm up to the stage where I can start the inner bracing on the side panels. Not sure where to start though. Any advice on this is greatly appreciated. I'm gonna have a hunt around now and see what I can dig up.

If you mean cross bracing, Mine is braced across the base, Across the middle bellow the monitor and the top of the monitor bellow the marquee.

Thanks for your reply mate. I was thinking more the steps used to map out where they are positioned on either side. I've started just measuring and marking lines on the one side  and I'll measure and try replicate on the other side I guess that's all you can do really.

I'm having a hell of a time finding this slot cutting bit locally it seems there isn't one in the entire state! The ones I've found online aren't cheap either it's almost the same cost as a cheap router itself!

I just bought a new one, so I'll send you my old slot cutter for free if you pay shipping (we can ship it as cheap as possible). It should fit in a padded envelope. You'd still need the router bit, but that might be easier to find than the slot cutter.
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« Reply #31 on: January 16, 2017, 01:39:33 am »
Guys I'm up to the stage where I can start the inner bracing on the side panels. Not sure where to start though. Any advice on this is greatly appreciated. I'm gonna have a hunt around now and see what I can dig up.

If you mean cross bracing, Mine is braced across the base, Across the middle bellow the monitor and the top of the monitor bellow the marquee.

Thanks for your reply mate. I was thinking more the steps used to map out where they are positioned on either side. I've started just measuring and marking lines on the one side  and I'll measure and try replicate on the other side I guess that's all you can do really.

I'm having a hell of a time finding this slot cutting bit locally it seems there isn't one in the entire state! The ones I've found online aren't cheap either it's almost the same cost as a cheap router itself!

I just bought a new one, so I'll send you my old slot cutter for free if you pay shipping (we can ship it as cheap as possible). It should fit in a padded envelope. You'd still need the router bit, but that might be easier to find than the slot cutter.

Wow thanks very much for the kind offer, what a top bloke! Although I have just ordered one from another state in Australia here lol. I'm so impatient sometimes. Cost $44 aud with the fast shipping option. But thanks again, what a legend!


I have been browsing/searching art for the cabinet lately too. I've been looking at stuff that's 4 megapixel and up (2272x1704). Would this suffice for side cabinet art do you guys think?

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« Reply #32 on: January 17, 2017, 05:53:08 am »


Well I've got my side panels all ruled up and marked out ready for the bracing. Once you get started the rest of it kinda flows on from there. It wasn't quite as difficult as I was expecting. Once one side is done its easy enough to measure and duplicate on the other side too. Pretty happy with it so far.

I learnt something today too. Its damn near impossible to cut anything straight with a hacksaw. Guess that's why its called a hacksaw coz you do a real hack job with it.

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« Reply #33 on: January 18, 2017, 07:52:33 am »

Pretty happy. Got my slot cutter today and got the sides all slotted up. Was quietly shitting myself at the thought of using this router after the horror stories I've been reading.
Anyways I got stuck in and found it pretty easy once you get setup right. Took ages and many test cuts to line it up in the middle properly but its done now. I've since been cutting up the wood for the bracing and hopefully should have it all done and stuck on by the end of tomorrow.

Went to measure up my TV so I could get some idea of how wide I wanna make this thing and wouldn't ya know, my TV is only 26". I had it in my head all along it was 32"!!
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I'm measuring thinking "---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- this cabinet is not gonna be as wide as I thought it was...what the...". Looks like I'm on the hunt for a TV now too.

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« Reply #34 on: January 18, 2017, 08:15:03 am »

Also, I wish you Americans would get with the metric system already. Look at the type of crazy conversions I gotta deal with - 2 feet 8 inches = 81.28cm!!! COME ON MANNN!!! This is ridonculous lol. That's 812.8mm. You try measure .8 of a millimetre. It cant be done. These numbers are ungodly. LOL rant over.

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Re: Project BEAT EM UP DOWN UNDER
« Reply #35 on: January 18, 2017, 08:20:35 am »
There are countries that embraced metric, and one that put people on the moon. ;D

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Re: Project BEAT EM UP DOWN UNDER
« Reply #36 on: January 18, 2017, 08:35:10 am »
But we all know the moon landings were faked!  :lol

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Re: Project BEAT EM UP DOWN UNDER
« Reply #37 on: January 18, 2017, 08:54:48 am »
There are countries that embraced metric, and one that put people on the moon. ;D

True, true. They could've done it 5 years earlier though if they could measure stuff quicker heheh.
I guess its second nature when you were raised with it. But 5/8, 3/16 etc etc... I just wanna count man I don't wanna do fractions lol it does my brain in.

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Re: Project BEAT EM UP DOWN UNDER
« Reply #38 on: January 18, 2017, 09:35:56 am »
Is that SAE years or metric years?

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Re: Project BEAT EM UP DOWN UNDER
« Reply #39 on: January 18, 2017, 10:36:03 am »
Been playing with ideas in regards to cabinet art. Originally wanted a Street Fighter theme but I'm having trouble finding images that I like. So I'm switching it up to a Mortal Kombat theme or a mashup of the two, not sure yet. Here's a few I'm liking so far.


  
 

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