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The Power of Nostalgia and games that were only "OK"
« on: January 05, 2017, 12:47:43 pm »
So I've had my eye on a indie game on Steam, "Grip". Its a remake of the PS1/PC games Rollcage. For whatever reason I loved those games. I thought it was a far better combat racer than Wipeout.

In any case. Bought it. It is good. Harder than I remember. I used to break out my PS1 and play the original from time to time...and I can emulate it. But it not as Flashy these days.

I don't know, perhaps I'm old, and crap. Or just don't have time for these things but it is not as magical. I recognized years ago that It was me that likes the game not because it is "the best game Ever" but just because I remember it fondly.

What other games do you remember as the ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- but might not be that great now.

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Re: The Power of Nostalgia and games that were only "OK"
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2017, 01:26:12 pm »



A lot of the NES library is like this.  Especially borderline games like RC Pro Am.  Loved them back in the day but going back isn't the same moment.

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Re: The Power of Nostalgia and games that were only "OK"
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2017, 02:18:03 pm »
I think allot of older games fall into that.

Some games have a certain "magic" about them that just makes them fun regardless of age and looks.
Sonic for example I feel is a timeless classic that still looks and feels good.

Personally I think most of those games are from the 8/16 bit era.

Alot of the older games have not aged well, and although still played but people like us have very little appeal outside of people like us lol

Then you have the other side of things, "newer" stuff PS1 oneards.

Most of these games have not aged well at all, I think this is mostly because they share so much in common with modern games but cant live up to the mark of their modern brethren and so mostly look terrible!

Perfect Dark and Goldeneye from the 64 are perfect examples of this.

At the time they were the dogs bollocks, best GFX and gameplay with ground breaking stuff up the wazoo.
Now you play them and they are very much Meh...

I think we have to remember how far gaming has come in the last 30 years, how fast its moved and remember why we loved those games at the time.

After all what is nostalgia if not remembering the good times :p

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Re: The Power of Nostalgia and games that were only "OK"
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2017, 02:52:09 pm »
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Re: The Power of Nostalgia and games that were only "OK"
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2017, 03:13:07 pm »
Then you have the other side of things, "newer" stuff PS1 oneards.

Most of these games have not aged well at all, I think this is mostly because they share so much in common with modern games but cant live up to the mark of their modern brethren and so mostly look terrible!

Yup.  Several old 2D games are still fun because they're good examples of that style of gameplay.  Once you got into 3D there was really no point in keeping old systems as the new ones came out.

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Re: The Power of Nostalgia and games that were only "OK"
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2017, 03:16:05 pm »
Yeah I think thats why the 16bit era stuff is still good.
It was basically the last of the generation.

Prob be the same in the future for the PSxx or whatever when we move onto the next big thing after 3D.

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Re: The Power of Nostalgia and games that were only "OK"
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2017, 03:19:11 pm »
N64 looked terrible then and still obviously looks terrible today.

...yea I said it.

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Re: The Power of Nostalgia and games that were only "OK"
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2017, 04:04:23 pm »
N64 looked terrible then and still obviously looks terrible today.

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Re: The Power of Nostalgia and games that were only "OK"
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2017, 06:34:16 pm »
We are spoiled, that's the main reason some of these games don't hold our attention anymore.  Back in the NES era, especially the early part of it, there weren't rental stores yet and the only real idea of what a game is like came from the screen shots.  The games were around 70 bucks, so if you were unfortunate enough to buy Platoon or Gilligan's Island, you better make it fun because that's all you had to entertain yourself for the next few months.  Some classics actually are very poorly designed.  Ghost's n Goblins, for example, with it's randomly generated, constantly spawning enemies was virtually a guide of what NOT to do when designing a game. 

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Re: The Power of Nostalgia and games that were only "OK"
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2017, 06:45:18 pm »
Dude I played the hell our of the wwf games on the N64, not to mention Diddy kong racing, Goldeneye, Chefs luv shack...

But I get ot once you Cheat to make leveling bareable in Breath of Fire, your overpowered characters render the game pretty boring.


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Re: The Power of Nostalgia and games that were only "OK"
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2017, 07:46:37 pm »
A lot of the NES library is like this.  Especially borderline games like RC Pro Am.  Loved them back in the day but going back isn't the same moment.
Shut your whore mouth, RC Pro AM was and still is great.

Back in the NES era, especially the early part of it, there weren't rental stores yet and the only real idea of what a game is like came from the screen shots.  The games were around 70 bucks, so if you were unfortunate enough to buy Platoon or Gilligan's Island, you better make it fun because that's all you had to entertain yourself for the next few months.  Some classics actually are very poorly designed.  Ghost's n Goblins, for example, with it's randomly generated, constantly spawning enemies was virtually a guide of what NOT to do when designing a game. 
Rental stores were pretty common in my area in the NES times. Not major chains but mom and pop store were all over and I lived in the middle of ---smurfing--- no where. Eventually big rental places like Blockbuster also rented out NES games. Nintendo sued them, and lost, trying to prevent NES cart rentals. Games were no where near $70, they were about $50 many cost less.  So pretty much nothing you said is true except Gillian's Island is terrible. Never played platoon.

citation:
NES cart cost: http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/10/15/the-real-cost-of-gaming-inflation-time-and-purchasing-power
blockbuster rental : http://articles.mcall.com/1989-09-09/news/2700327_1_nintendo-video-game-rent
the blockbuster link also states games were $40-$50

most N64 games were hot turds, but I got my moneys worth out of my N64 with the wrestling games, and the terrible (but fun!) Cruisn ports.
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Re: The Power of Nostalgia and games that were only "OK"
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2017, 08:32:08 pm »
You guys will never guess what game got me to buy an N64.

Pro-Tip: it wasn't castlevania 3

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Re: The Power of Nostalgia and games that were only "OK"
« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2017, 08:36:31 pm »
The only one I ever have any desire to play again is Mario Golf

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Re: The Power of Nostalgia and games that were only "OK"
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2017, 09:21:43 pm »
Perfect Dark and Goldeneye from the 64 are perfect examples of this.

At the time they were the dogs bollocks, best GFX and gameplay with ground breaking stuff up the wazoo.
Now you play them and they are very much Meh...

I'll say one thing for Goldeneye and PD though; they play much better with a more modern dual analog pad compared to the old N64 controller.

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Re: The Power of Nostalgia and games that were only "OK"
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2017, 09:40:07 pm »
A lot of the NES library is like this.  Especially borderline games like RC Pro Am.  Loved them back in the day but going back isn't the same moment.
Shut your whore mouth, RC Pro AM was and still is great.

Back in the NES era, especially the early part of it, there weren't rental stores yet and the only real idea of what a game is like came from the screen shots.  The games were around 70 bucks, so if you were unfortunate enough to buy Platoon or Gilligan's Island, you better make it fun because that's all you had to entertain yourself for the next few months.  Some classics actually are very poorly designed.  Ghost's n Goblins, for example, with it's randomly generated, constantly spawning enemies was virtually a guide of what NOT to do when designing a game. 
Rental stores were pretty common in my area in the NES times. Not major chains but mom and pop store were all over and I lived in the middle of ---smurfing--- no where. Eventually big rental places like Blockbuster also rented out NES games. Nintendo sued them, and lost, trying to prevent NES cart rentals. Games were no where near $70, they were about $50 many cost less.  So pretty much nothing you said is true except Gillian's Island is terrible. Never played platoon.

citation:
NES cart cost: http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/10/15/the-real-cost-of-gaming-inflation-time-and-purchasing-power
blockbuster rental : http://articles.mcall.com/1989-09-09/news/2700327_1_nintendo-video-game-rent
the blockbuster link also states games were $40-$50

most N64 games were hot turds, but I got my moneys worth out of my N64 with the wrestling games, and the terrible (but fun!) Cruisn ports.

*sigh*  No everything I said was true, I'm sorry your memory is so bad.  Also note I said EARLY in the NES's lifespan. 

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« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2017, 10:07:04 pm »
RC Pro Am IS awesome. It never ages. It's timeless.

In fact, I thought it could have made a good arcade game.

Also, super spike v-ball I can play to this day. All day everyday.

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« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2017, 10:49:50 pm »
Also, super spike v-ball I can play to this day. All day everyday.

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Re: The Power of Nostalgia and games that were only "OK"
« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2017, 11:33:28 pm »
I remember when wwf no mercy was the best wrestling game of all time.

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Re: The Power of Nostalgia and games that were only "OK"
« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2017, 04:05:03 am »
I remember when wwf no mercy was the best wrestling game of all time.

I freaking loved that game!!

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Re: The Power of Nostalgia and games that were only "OK"
« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2017, 08:17:31 am »
*sigh*  No everything I said was true, I'm sorry your memory is so bad.  Also note I said EARLY in the NES's lifespan.

*sigh* it's easy to just say games were $70 when you don't have to show any proof.

So here's a launch year advertisement from target circa 1986:

https://2warpstoneptune.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/nintendo-ad-1986.jpg
Games are $25 to $35 in the EARLY NES's lifespan. The games actually went up in price when the carts started using more memory and batteries for saves.


here ya go 1992 and SMB3 is $50

http://www.huguesjohnson.com/features/sears_catalog/sears-catalog-1992-pg504-NES_full.jpg

Sears ad with everything in the 30-45 range

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0pGYq6NPRKM/UNJXvz2V5rI/AAAAAAAAA5k/gERxElt8vlg/s1600/NES%2BSears%2Bcatalogue.JPG



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Re: The Power of Nostalgia and games that were only "OK"
« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2017, 08:59:23 am »



I vividly remember saving up my money to get SMB2 and then when it hit the local dept store it was over $60.  I had $45.  Never did end up getting that game at the time.  Most games were in the $45 range in my area. 


I never even saw a Target until fifteen years ago. 


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« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2017, 09:38:23 am »
I vividly remember saving up my money to get SMB2 and then when it hit the local dept store it was over $60.  I had $45.  Never did end up getting that game at the time.  Most games were in the $45 range in my area. 

I never even saw a Target until fifteen years ago.

Then SMB2 being over priced worked in your favor:) I was just looking for "major retailer's" advertisements , figured Target counted. If I just put up a bunch of just Sears ones he would have replied "that's just at Sears!" I found Toy R Us ads that were pretty much the same prices. I spent way too much time trying to find an ad that featured ANY game at $70. Cognitive Dissonance on his part, I showed proof games were not $70 he can either accept he was mistaken or continue to believe that games were $70 even though they clearly were not. I'm fine with it either way.  :cheers:
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Re: The Power of Nostalgia and games that were only "OK"
« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2017, 09:49:33 am »



Only system I remember seeing regular $70 games on was the N64.  Not many but stuff like Perfect Dark and Majora's Mask.  Maybe it was just the expanded memory games.

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« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2017, 09:58:21 am »
The SNES had games that were $70+ because they had that special "Fx" chip... if I am remembering correctly. But yeah most games were around $30. I would say though it may have well been $70 because back then $30 was a lot of money!

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« Reply #24 on: January 06, 2017, 10:07:01 am »
Only system I remember seeing regular $70 games on was the N64.  Not many but stuff like Perfect Dark and Majora's Mask.  Maybe it was just the expanded memory games.

Agreed, there may have been a one-off or two, like Virtua Racing for Genesis was $99 , that doesn't mean Genesis games were $99. The only high retail prices for games I remember was SF Alpha 2, UMK3, and maybe Killer Instinct? I remember StarFox and some of the FX games being above average in price.

Lets not get side tracked and start talking SNES, he specifically said NES.
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« Reply #25 on: January 06, 2017, 10:07:11 am »
I just set up a Rasberry pi to play nintendo games on my TV. I used the usb/Nintendo adapter from amazon(https://www.amazon.com/Tomee-NES-Retro-Controller-Adapter-Converter/dp/B00HM3QCN2) and wow... I have a lot of ---smurfy--- games to play now... lol

But to be fair all the classics play great and are still fun (Jackal, mario bros, mega man, ninja gaiden... etc).


Here is a question though... (and this is pretty fitting for the topic) now that I can play every game I tried a lot of the sequels to games I owned that I loved... and they are BAD. I mean really really bad. For example the graphics, play-ability, sound, story in Wizards and Warriors is by far way way better than Wizards and Warriors 3. Same thing with Ninja Gaiden series... I feel the controls got worse and worse the further along the franchise went. I am sure there are more... any others that you can think of?

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« Reply #26 on: January 06, 2017, 10:10:05 am »
Only system I remember seeing regular $70 games on was the N64.  Not many but stuff like Perfect Dark and Majora's Mask.  Maybe it was just the expanded memory games.

Agreed, there may have been a one-off or two, like Virtua Racing for Genesis was $99 , that doesn't mean Genesis games were $99. The only high retail prices for games I remember was SF Alpha 2, UMK3, and maybe Killer Instinct? I remember StarFox and some of the FX games being above average in price.

Lets not get side tracked and start talking SNES, he specifically said NES.


Right but the OP is talking about general Nostalgia and games. It's all relevant. The point is there really weren't a lot of games back then that were $70..

And btw we had a local video store that rented Atari games and eventually Nintendo games. So yeah rental stores were around for a while.

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« Reply #27 on: January 06, 2017, 10:24:50 am »
I don't think I ever got any new games until the ps2 came out. I was stuck with rentals and yard sale games. I remember when I got my n64 one Christmas it came with a rental game that was due back in 2 days. ( Sanfrancisco rush )

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« Reply #28 on: January 06, 2017, 11:53:58 am »

So here's a launch year advertisement from target circa 1986:

https://2warpstoneptune.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/nintendo-ad-1986.jpg
Games are $25 to $35 in the EARLY NES's lifespan. The games actually went up in price when the carts started using more memory and batteries for saves.

I was going to cry Fake! because we didn't get target until the 90's but google tells me Target was created in 1962 the modern Icon was developed in 1968. However the first store in Southern CA was opened in 1983 with the first store in the Pacific Northwest in 1988. Target apparently bought Mervyns though...in 1978 which we had until late 90s. Wow.

In any case thanks for the vintage adds.

My parents bought me a C64 and said no to every game console saying I can just use the Computer (probably for the best). I had to play Atari and NES games at friends houses. I had that one kid in the neighborhood who got every system. Atari, NES, Master System, SNES, Genesis...He always treated them like ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---, throwing the controllers when he lost etc...I remember thinking WTF If I had a console I wouldn't risk breaking it.

The Jaguar, Neo-Geo and sega CD where the expensive ones in my memory.
I remember thinking, "No One will spend $300 on a video game system." LOL.

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« Reply #29 on: January 06, 2017, 02:39:27 pm »
My dad bought me a $225 Sega CD when it was released... I purchased a Sega Saturn for $400! Dreamcast for around $300 if memory serves me right... Never spent the $700 for the 3DO thank god.

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Re: The Power of Nostalgia and games that were only "OK"
« Reply #30 on: January 06, 2017, 03:19:32 pm »
The SNES had games that were $70+ because they had that special "Fx" chip... if I am remembering correctly. But yeah most games were around $30. I would say though it may have well been $70 because back then $30 was a lot of money!
That's right. Though it depended on the publisher. Nintendo was able to eat the cost of things like battery backed memory (since they manufactured), but other publishers had to cover the cost of that. The average Nintendo cartridge with battery-backed memory averaged $45 - $50 retail, while third party publishers with the same cartridge size and battery memory had to sell at $60 to cover their added hardware cost.

You want to find a $70 SNES game in an old ad? Don't look at Nintendo's own games. Look for third party published games.
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« Reply #31 on: January 06, 2017, 04:56:15 pm »
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« Reply #32 on: January 07, 2017, 04:13:27 pm »
My last console was an xbox in 2002. I had a few games and I bought into the Splinter Cell hype in 2003. I got the game, and for me the controls were not intuitive and too complex. That's when I got into emulation. I modded the xbox to play classic games and that's when I found lots of nostalgia games that just didn't hold up.

Just about any Atari game, with the exception of Combat and Bomberman are no longer fun to play.

Most RPG's that were turn based are unplayable to me since they seem so slow. I played Ultima back on an Apple. I tried to go back and beat that game. I loaded up an apple emulator and .... zzzzz. I couldn't hang. I settled for watching a playthrough on Youtube, lol. Lots of the RPG's I played on Sega - I couldn't replay - they were just too slow. Everything on NES and SNES had no replay except FF3, I could replay that.

Galaga is my all time favorite game. I have a dedicated cabinet and I buy it for every mobile device/platform but I never sit down to play a game any more. With the games having no cost, I'm not motivated to play unless I'm on track to beat my all time score. Die on the first level? Shutdown and play a different game.

Ghost and Goblins is a great game but because it's so unforgiving, it's frustrating as hell. I only play this if I'm in too good of a mood and need to drop a few pegs.

Conversely, some arcade games I've been able to go back and beat. Rush'n Attack (Green Beret) is still loads of fun, Willow is a hidden gem, Zookeeper, Mr. Do, Robotron and Defender still get a good amount of play out of me.

Recently, I just modded a Wii and have been playing some of the console games I missed. I skipped that whole generation of consoles. I just finished the first Mario Galaxy and it was a blast. Going to check out the Metroid, Resident Evil series, and several other games before returning to Mario Galaxy 2.

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Re: The Power of Nostalgia and games that were only "OK"
« Reply #33 on: January 20, 2017, 09:29:25 am »
You guys will never guess what game got me to buy an N64.

Pro-Tip: it wasn't castlevania 3

Powerpuff Girls?


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Re: The Power of Nostalgia and games that were only "OK"
« Reply #34 on: January 20, 2017, 10:01:11 am »
Gauntlet Legends.  No regrets.

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Re: The Power of Nostalgia and games that were only "OK"
« Reply #35 on: January 20, 2017, 10:05:55 am »
Gauntlet Legends.  No regrets.
The worst version. Dream cast had the best port, but a worse console.

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Re: The Power of Nostalgia and games that were only "OK"
« Reply #36 on: January 20, 2017, 10:19:27 am »
Yeah, it was pretty rough.  The Dreamcast version always felt "off" to me, like the characters were ice skating or something.  I tried it again recently and still didn't care for it.  Xbox version is fine but you can't remap the controls and it's Dark Legacy. 

Nothing touches 4 player couch multiplayer Diablo 3 on the PS4, though.  They even redid the first game in the engine and we dusted off that disc last week.

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Re: The Power of Nostalgia and games that were only "OK"
« Reply #37 on: January 20, 2017, 12:00:22 pm »
I thought Altered Beast was amazing when it first came out BITD. Tried playing it recently and I'm afraid it doesn't hold up well.  :'(

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Re: The Power of Nostalgia and games that were only "OK"
« Reply #38 on: January 20, 2017, 12:06:42 pm »
Genesis version of that had a cheat where you could be any creature on any level.  Set that sucker to non-stop electro-dragon and fry the bosses.

Other than that, yeah.

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Re: The Power of Nostalgia and games that were only "OK"
« Reply #39 on: January 20, 2017, 12:51:46 pm »
*sigh*  No everything I said was true, I'm sorry your memory is so bad.  Also note I said EARLY in the NES's lifespan.

*sigh* it's easy to just say games were $70 when you don't have to show any proof.

Sears ad with everything in the 30-45 range

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0pGYq6NPRKM/UNJXvz2V5rI/AAAAAAAAA5k/gERxElt8vlg/s1600/NES%2BSears%2Bcatalogue.JPG



But yes, tell me again how my memory is wrong.

Notice they put the wrong image on Zelda and Simons quest lol

  
 

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