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Custom 4 Player Arcade Cabinet (Dark TMNT Theme)
« on: November 13, 2016, 02:35:25 pm »
Since Fall of 2014 I’ve had the goal to build my own 4 player arcade cabinet.  Since then i've been mainly focused on first, perfecting my front end, adding games, creating themes (Photoshop is complicated, but awesome).  I use Hyperspin (which is amazing btw). I think Maximus Arcade and LaunchBox are also cool but my heart belongs to Hyperspin (I guess, to each their own, right?).  Even though Hyperspin is literally a never-ending project I feel like I’m finally ready to move on the next step; building my arcade cabinet.  I first looked at DYI options like Recroommasters, because, you know, if it aint broke.  And even though I think Recroommasters has some great products/options at super reasonable prices, it just didn't have everything I truly wanted for my dream arcade.  They do have a 4 player CP but I didn't like the lack of space between each joystick and I feel the buttons are a bit far apart.  I also wanted pinball side buttons and a pinball plunger (for virtual pinball games) which would have been tough with their CP layout.  Again, not a knock on Recroommasters, just not exactly what I was looking for.

My biggest challenge was going to be the woodworking; because I know my strengths and weaknesses, and that is definitely not one of them.  Luckily for me, my bro-in-law is super handy and has been helping me (see pics below). 

INSPIRATION:
Pauly’s Ready Player One Arcade cabinet.  He has been a huge help and I can’t thank him enough. http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=146068.0
Paradox Arcades (great arcade cabinets and ideas; if you have the money I would definitely recommend them).   You get what you pay for, right? :)

GOALS:
Set Up Hyperspin Front End (pretty dang close)
Design a 4 player Arcade Cabinet with dark Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Themed graphics (haven’t figured out who I will have do the graphics)
4 Joysticks, 1 Trackball, 1 Pinball Plunger, 2 pinball side buttons, 4 Admin buttons (Exit, Start, Pause & Menu) and 7 buttons for Players 1 & 2, 4 for Players 3 & 4
2 Aimtrak Light Guns with recoil (haven’t decided on holsters yet)
Make it BLINKY (with LED Blinky)
2 or 4 player coin door (haven’t decided yet).
Add 2 Nuetrik USB connectors at the bottom of control panel.  Will also need an input for my Aimtrak Light Gun power supply cord (any ideas?)


PARTS LIST (will add as I go)
•   (1) 4'x8' 3/4" MDF Board (or HDF or Plywood)
•   Jig Saw
•   Hand Drill
•   Router & Plunge Router with flush trim bit
•   Table saw
•   Wood Glue
•   Wood Filler
•   Wood Screws (1.25)
•   Cabinet Hinges
•   Pencil
•   Some sort of measuring tools (Tape / Ruler / Level - your choice)
•   Oil based Primer (See if you can get it in black)
•   Black Paint (I went with a semi-gloss)
•   Orbital Sander
•   Clamps
•   Slot Cutter for T-Molding
•   T-Molding 
•   (1) Ultimarc Ipac 4 Interface
•   (2) PacLED64 (from Ultimarc)
•   (4) Joysticks from Paradise Arcade
•   (32) Concave Translucent Buttons
•   (4) Player Buttons –White
•   (52) Microswitches (4 for each joystick, 1 for each button)
•   (32) RGB Button LEDs (from Paradise Arcade)
•   (1) UTrak Trackball
•   (1) UTrak Trackball LEDs

I am super new to this so any ideas, constructive feedback or suggestions are greatly appreciated and welcomed.
« Last Edit: November 13, 2016, 02:43:01 pm by dgrace »

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Re: Custom 4 Player Arcade Cabinet (Dark TMNT Theme)
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2016, 02:40:17 pm »
Let me guess.... aircraft carrier panel? Your image link is broken.
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Re: Custom 4 Player Arcade Cabinet (Dark TMNT Theme)
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2016, 02:44:24 pm »
Yes, I attached the control panel layout.

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Re: Custom 4 Player Arcade Cabinet (Dark TMNT Theme)
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2016, 02:46:06 pm »
Interested to see the artwork. Good luck with the build! 
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Re: Custom 4 Player Arcade Cabinet (Dark TMNT Theme)
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2016, 03:24:30 pm »
If it is like Ready Player One, this should be a great cabinet. I like the dark TMNT theme in theory and look forward to seeing what you have put together.

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Re: Custom 4 Player Arcade Cabinet (Dark TMNT Theme)
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2016, 04:07:53 pm »
I'm sure this is probably a stupid question but how do you post pictures? When I try to attach a pic it tells me that the size of the pic is too large. Copy and pasting the pic right on my message doesn't work either. I'm trying to post pics of what I've done so far and no luck.  Please help.

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Re: Custom 4 Player Arcade Cabinet (Dark TMNT Theme)
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2016, 07:12:27 pm »
Control Panel Pieces


Top CP button holes cut out


Joystick cutout and mounted (that was a pain in the ass.  Used a plunge router)







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Re: Custom 4 Player Arcade Cabinet (Dark TMNT Theme)
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2016, 07:14:07 pm »
Broken pic.
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Re: Custom 4 Player Arcade Cabinet (Dark TMNT Theme)
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2016, 07:21:56 pm »
Sorry, struggling to get imgur to work so I can post pics :(

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Re: Custom 4 Player Arcade Cabinet (Dark TMNT Theme)
« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2016, 07:39:57 pm »
Arcade parts and wires.  This should be fun.








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Re: Custom 4 Player Arcade Cabinet (Dark TMNT Theme)
« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2016, 07:42:03 pm »
More broken pics.
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Re: Custom 4 Player Arcade Cabinet (Dark TMNT Theme)
« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2016, 10:22:13 pm »
Pics are showing up for me. Looking good so far!  :applaud:

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Re: Custom 4 Player Arcade Cabinet (Dark TMNT Theme)
« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2016, 12:07:30 am »
They show up NOW....
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Re: Custom 4 Player Arcade Cabinet (Dark TMNT Theme)
« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2016, 04:01:55 pm »
I’m finally almost done with my Control Panel but wanted to add a couple last minute touches.  I bought two Neutrik USB connectors for my Aimtrak light guns to be able to connect on the outside of the CP (probably at the bottom of the front side of the CP) and also have 2 power supplies for the recoil.  But I’m not sure how to connect the power supply through the CP, like I would the USB input.  I would like some kind of output faceplate of some kind for the recoil power supply cable to connect through.  I don’t know if I just drill a hole and attach some kind of nut or washer for the Aimtrak power supply cord to connect to?  Any ideas are greatly appreciated. 




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Re: Custom 4 Player Arcade Cabinet (Dark TMNT Theme)
« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2016, 11:48:12 pm »
Updates.  Finally done making all the cuts for the joysticks and trackball.  Trackball fit nice and snug.  I decided to do install it flush without the trim (glad I did).  I think it looks nice.  Next up I will drill the holes for the pinball buttons and plunger and wood glue all the pieces together and complete the control panel.






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Re: Custom 4 Player Arcade Cabinet (Dark TMNT Theme)
« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2016, 12:08:12 am »

Uh-oh.

Didn't anybody warn you about angled sticks for P3/P4?   :dizzy:   :banghead:

Green = good.  Red = bad.



https://web.archive.org/web/20160809113045/http://newwiki.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?title=FAQ#Orientation

The good news is that your panel isn't fastened or painted yet.


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Re: Custom 4 Player Arcade Cabinet (Dark TMNT Theme)
« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2016, 12:27:04 am »
Crap! Didn't know about that.  How do I fix that? Is it really that big a deal?

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Re: Custom 4 Player Arcade Cabinet (Dark TMNT Theme)
« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2016, 12:47:43 am »
I top mounted so i'm not sure if and how i could fix that without leaving a huge divot.  I'm going to lay a polycarbonate vinyl over the CP but i imagine divots that big would be noticeable.  Hopefully I didn't screw myself.  Not sure what you mean by fastened??

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Re: Custom 4 Player Arcade Cabinet (Dark TMNT Theme)
« Reply #18 on: November 25, 2016, 10:27:07 am »
Is it really that big a deal?
Given the spirited discussions on the topic and the experience of forum members, it certainly can be.

A number of people who thought it was "no big deal" have later posted about re-doing their fully-finished, playable angled-stick panels.

I don't remember anyone ever re-doing a straight-stick panel to angle the sticks.

If you don't want to take the word of the hobbyists on this forum, take the word of the companies that did extensive R&D and play-testing -- all of the successful 4-player games used straight sticks.

The (2 or 3?) cabs that did use angled sticks were not successful/popular.

It comes down to a simple question: When you play, do you watch the stick or the screen?

When you're watching the screen, it's easier to hit the correct direction if the stick is aligned with the screen.

This is true even if your body is not aligned with the screen.

I top mounted so i'm not sure if and how i could fix that without leaving a huge divot.  I'm going to lay a polycarbonate vinyl over the CP but i imagine divots that big would be noticeable.  Hopefully I didn't screw myself. 
I'd re-do the panel using the current panel as a router template for the outer shape and buttons.  YMMV.

To avoid "divots", you may want to consider using a different top-mount method that uses a cover like the example here.

You don't need cutouts for the microswitch tabs if you remove/reinstall the mounting plate.

 

Not sure what you mean by fastened??
Connected to the control panel box using hinges.


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Re: Custom 4 Player Arcade Cabinet (Dark TMNT Theme)
« Reply #19 on: November 25, 2016, 10:53:10 am »
Yeah, based on what i've read it seems like a personal preference.  Half of what i've read says they prefer the angled 3 and 4 player joysticks and the other half said they regretted it.  Uggghhhh!!!!

The other pickle i'm in is that my bro-in-law has been helping me with the CP woodworking (I'm not very handy) and if I told him, hey we need to start the CP over, he may literally kill me:).  So I may have to just risk it.  I'll test it out today with like a mock set up. 

I mean you're talking only a handful of MAME games and some newer four player PC games (i.e. castle crashers, Jamestown Lost Colony, new Gauntlet, etc.); so maybe like 30 4 player games? I guess if I move forward with the angled 3 and 4 player sticks, and I have someone over playing who isn't liking it, they can just use an Xbox 360 controller instead.  I don't know.  I guess I need to decide before I move forward.

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« Reply #20 on: November 30, 2016, 10:54:14 am »
Crap! Didn't know about that.  How do I fix that? Is it really that big a deal?

Thanks!

yes it is. Games that require your outside joysticks (3 and 4) will be practically unplayable.
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Re: Custom 4 Player Arcade Cabinet (Dark TMNT Theme)
« Reply #21 on: November 30, 2016, 11:10:25 am »
Moderator posting in a Project Thread posted in the Main Forum... :cheers:
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« Reply #22 on: November 30, 2016, 02:20:00 pm »
Moderator posting in a Project Thread posted in the Main Forum... :cheers:
Fixed.   :cheers:


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Re: Custom 4 Player Arcade Cabinet (Dark TMNT Theme)
« Reply #23 on: November 30, 2016, 02:34:55 pm »
Yeah, based on what i've read it seems like a personal preference.  Half of what i've read says they prefer the angled 3 and 4 player joysticks and the other half said they regretted it.  Uggghhhh!!!!
Well your first mistake is thinking a fundamental ergonomic interface with these machines is personal preference. Most people who like their sticks angled are those who don't give a crap about how P3 and P4's gaming experience is. They're just "checking off the 4 player task" on the list..."good enough" they say...but most of the time the owners won't even be playing on those sticks, so they don't really care.
But if you're not an ---uvula--- and want people to enjoy their experience on your cab, you wouldn't angle your sticks.

Your second mistake is following that CP shape.  Most noobs think the design is solid, but the functionality is completely flawed because P3 and P4 will get in the way of P1 and P2.  Elbows to buttons and joys is what I'm talking about here.
I don't know why people keep following that design... because it looks cool?  The thing about arcade machines is it isn't just about the looks, it's got to function well with the ergonomic experience. If people aren't comfortable playing, they won't care to play it.

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Re: Custom 4 Player Arcade Cabinet (Dark TMNT Theme)
« Reply #24 on: November 30, 2016, 04:36:41 pm »
My first cab had angled sticks.... it wasn't fun. I felt so bad that any 4-player game that my friends and I played I insisted I take either player 3 or 4. I got used to it after a while. But there wasn't a day that went by where I just wanted to start over and fix those joysticks...

Since you are in the beginning stages I highly recommend starting over. It's only going to bother you more the longer you have it. It will save you time and effort down the road. 
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« Reply #25 on: November 30, 2016, 04:38:29 pm »
Always test your CP layout on scrap before committing on the final design. Product testing... Something most people overlook.
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« Reply #26 on: November 30, 2016, 06:12:12 pm »
Crap! Didn't know about that.  How do I fix that? Is it really that big a deal?

Thanks!

yes it is. Games that require your outside joysticks (3 and 4) will be practically unplayable.

Thanks for your feedback.  I guess I don't understand the difference between having P3 & P4 angled and me just standing next to P3 & P4 with an XBOX 360 controller.  For example, I tested that out last night and with an XBOX 360 controller, and when I wanted to go up, I pushed the left analog toggle towards the direction my body was facing and not toward the screen.  I even tried forcing it toward the screen instead of the direction my body was facing and it didn't feel right.  I then grabbed one of my joysticks and did the same thing, facing it toward the direction my body was facing and then the screen, and pushing it toward the direction my body was facing actually felt more natural.  .  I guess it's a moot point anyway since I am unable to redo my CP.  I guess if someone has issue with it, worst case scenario they can use a 360 controller.  The gentlemen sharing his design with me said he did it angled and that it felt fine to him as well. Again, it sounds like a personal preference

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« Reply #27 on: November 30, 2016, 06:16:53 pm »
A tiny mobile game pad and huge stationary arcade control panel are two different things. But no worries, you're going to do what you want to anyway.
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« Reply #28 on: November 30, 2016, 06:34:15 pm »
Yeah. What do the people who designed the original machines know? I am sure they were just guessing when 99.9 percent of them did not angle the sticks. :banghead:

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« Reply #29 on: December 02, 2016, 05:55:30 pm »
Oh geez I feel so bad for this guy.

I totally get not wanting to bug his bro in law but then again I wouldn't want to settle for anything less than ideal given the amount of time and money invested in this project.

Tough spot for sure.

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« Reply #30 on: December 02, 2016, 11:41:07 pm »
Thanks everyone for your input and suggestions.  Very informative.

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« Reply #31 on: December 02, 2016, 11:42:08 pm »
I’m finally almost done with my Control Panel but wanted to add a couple last minute touches.  I bought two Neutrik USB connectors for my Aimtrak light guns to be able to connect on the outside of the CP (probably at the bottom of the front side of the CP) and also have 2 power supplies for the recoil.  But I’m not sure how to connect the power supply through the CP, like I would the USB input.  I would like some kind of output faceplate of some kind for the recoil power supply cable to connect through.  I don’t know if I just drill a hole and attach some kind of nut or washer for the Aimtrak power supply cord to connect to?  Any ideas are greatly appreciated. 





Still hoping someone has some ideas on this Aimtrak power supply input.  Thanks

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Getting into the LED wiring lately.  Going off of Chance's idea (see link below). I ended up drilling a hole in middle of the larger micro switch clip with a 5/32 drill bit.  Then twisting the RGB Tropical LED wiring at the top of the LED and then on the end and then pulled through the top of the taken apart button and then the hole from the larger micro switch clip (a little tedious but not complicated).  I then tested it on my PacLED64 board.  Looks good I think.  I'm guessing I need to do this for all 32 buttons before I start extending and crimping wires? That's gonna suck.

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« Reply #33 on: December 03, 2016, 09:10:07 pm »




Got my cutting, stripping and crimping tools.  After I've inserted all the LED wiring threw all 32 buttons, next i'll need to extend the wires (based on how far they will be from the PacLED64 boards (I have two)) and then i'll have to crimp the ends (with 2.54mm 1x4 Pin Single Row Dupont Jumper Wire Cable Female Pin Connectors) and place in the 1X4 housing pieces prior to inserting into the PacLED64 boards.  Am I missing any steps?

As far as extending the wires from the RGB Tropical LEDs go (those are super short BTW), I was just going to strip both, twist both together and then use electrical tape to bind them together.  I imagine that's the cheapest option, but probably not the cleanest.  Any other ideas? I've read you can also use molex splitters, or extender cable with a molex female connectors, or also butt splice crimps.  Thoughts?


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« Reply #34 on: December 04, 2016, 12:23:12 am »
As far as extending the wires from the RGB Tropical LEDs go (those are super short BTW), I was just going to strip both, twist both together and then use electrical tape to bind them together.  I imagine that's the cheapest option, but probably not the cleanest.  Any other ideas? I've read you can also use molex splitters, or extender cable with a molex female connectors, or also butt splice crimps.  Thoughts?
Twist the wires together and use electrical tape??!!??  Take Nancy's advice, "Just say no."   :banghead:

Two options you may want to consider:

1.  22-26 AWG butt splice crimps like RadioShack Crimp-On Tele/Alarm Connectors (SKU 6403073) or these or these or these -- Solid, long-lasting connection


2.  Euro-style terminal strips -- These 12 position strips are easy to cut in thirds and the set-screws make it easy to replace an LED if one burns out.



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« Reply #35 on: December 04, 2016, 01:49:52 am »
As far as extending the wires from the RGB Tropical LEDs go (those are super short BTW), I was just going to strip both, twist both together and then use electrical tape to bind them together.  I imagine that's the cheapest option, but probably not the cleanest.  Any other ideas? I've read you can also use molex splitters, or extender cable with a molex female connectors, or also butt splice crimps.  Thoughts?
Twist the wires together and use electrical tape??!!??  Take Nancy's advice, "Just say no."   :banghead:

Two options you may want to consider:

1.  22-26 AWG butt splice crimps like RadioShack Crimp-On Tele/Alarm Connectors (SKU 6403073) or these or these or these -- Solid, long-lasting connection


2.  Euro-style terminal strips -- These 12 position strips are easy to cut in thirds and the set-screws make it easy to replace an LED if one burns out.



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I like the butt splice option; since the RGB LED wires are 26 gauge and the wire i'm using to extend them are 22 gauge; so, perfect.  The one from Radio Shack seems to be the cheapest.  Do you recommend finishing off each crimped butt splice with a heat gun or not necessary? I only ask because a heat gun was used at the end of a couple tutorial videos I watched. Thanks

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« Reply #36 on: December 04, 2016, 04:27:24 am »
I like the butt splice option; since the RGB LED wires are 26 gauge and the wire i'm using to extend them are 22 gauge; so, perfect.  The one from Radio Shack seems to be the cheapest.  Do you recommend finishing off each crimped butt splice with a heat gun or not necessary? I only ask because a heat gun was used at the end of a couple tutorial videos I watched. Thanks
The heat gun isn't an absolute requirement.

The ones I got from RS a while back (same SKU) weren't the heat shrink kind.

The pic above may be a mistake on the product page -- mine look like this.



If you want to hide the crimps and add some strain relief, stagger the splices and use heat shrink.


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« Reply #37 on: December 04, 2016, 11:24:48 am »
I like the butt splice option; since the RGB LED wires are 26 gauge and the wire i'm using to extend them are 22 gauge; so, perfect.  The one from Radio Shack seems to be the cheapest.  Do you recommend finishing off each crimped butt splice with a heat gun or not necessary? I only ask because a heat gun was used at the end of a couple tutorial videos I watched. Thanks
The heat gun isn't an absolute requirement.

The ones I got from RS a while back (same SKU) weren't the heat shrink kind.

The pic above may be a mistake on the product page -- mine look like this.



If you want to hide the crimps and add some strain relief, stagger the splices and use heat shrink.


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Thanks good to know

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« Reply #38 on: December 04, 2016, 11:49:40 am »
"Chance's idea", he says....
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« Reply #39 on: December 04, 2016, 12:18:33 pm »
"Chance's idea", he says....

Or, his forum rather.  Whoever came up with it, had the right idea. Not sure exactly who that was.

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« Reply #40 on: December 05, 2016, 08:22:45 am »
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« Reply #41 on: December 05, 2016, 11:31:16 pm »
Got started on placing the LEDs inside each button.  Very tedious but not too difficult.  Hoping to finish up tomorrow night.


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« Reply #42 on: December 05, 2016, 11:38:54 pm »
Tested my PacLED64 with the RGB (crimping is a bit of a pain in the ass BTW).  I improvised using electrical tape until my butt splices come, just to test it out (see link below).  Looks pretty sweet. 

https://www.radioshack.com/products/crimp-on-tele-alarm-connectors




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« Reply #43 on: December 06, 2016, 06:23:19 pm »
Looks good so far, I made the exact same cabinet with the exact same layout recently and there are so many things I wish I can do over.  I modeled after Chance's design also and couldnt turn back because I loved the layout.  I also angled my joysticks for 3 and 4, but on 4 player games I decided to make the first position(player 3) a player 1 instead, and the player 1 position a player 2 to put them in sequence.  I plan on redoing the entire CP and box, but when I finished wiring(which took 2 entire days) I am hanging it up and want to see no parts of a crimper or dupont connector for the rest of the month.

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« Reply #44 on: December 11, 2016, 12:37:45 am »
Started glueing the CP box pieces together. Looking good.




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« Reply #45 on: February 02, 2017, 08:47:46 pm »
This may be a dumb question but I just finished putting primer on the top of my CP (using MDF wood).  Because I will be laying polycarbonate graphic vinyl at the end do I even need to put a coat of paint on or does just the primer sanded down smoothly after suffice? If I should paint should I just do one coat, sand well and then lay the graphic (when I get to that point)? Thoughts?  Thanks

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« Reply #46 on: February 19, 2017, 08:40:09 pm »
I'd paint it, at least a coat or two.  Or maybe at least seal it, for the added protection.  I'm planning to always have artwork and plexi on top of mine, as well, but I will throw a coat on there, at the very least.

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« Reply #47 on: June 25, 2017, 01:43:40 pm »


My bro in law finally has time to help me finish this damm thing :applaud: :applaud: Control panel ready to go. Now it's time to build the rest of the cabinet. I need the specific demensions and really like flynn's arcades' shared dimensions. Anyone else try his and want to share how it went? Or have other suggestions? I also plan on adding a keyboard tray

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« Reply #48 on: July 08, 2017, 05:48:14 pm »
Turned out pretty nice. 






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« Reply #49 on: July 08, 2017, 05:52:25 pm »
Finished priming and painting CP base.  Only put primer on the CP top (just as an extra protected layer).  Don't think I will paint top of CP before laying graphic vinyl.  Prolly just leave the primer.  I sanded it pretty good (the top CP piece) so it's nice a smooth.  Thoughts?




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« Reply #50 on: July 08, 2017, 05:53:58 pm »
If i'm going to put graphic vinyl on the cabinet side pieces, should I even bother painting as well? Or should i just do some primer? Or both (as an extra layer of protection), since i'm using MDF wood instead of a stronger HDF? Thanks

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« Reply #51 on: July 09, 2017, 04:53:22 pm »
My next step is to install the cleats on the side panels but could really use some direction so I'm not just winging it (ie for the marquee area, tv mounting, cp mounting, etc.) Thanks

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« Reply #52 on: July 18, 2017, 01:24:13 am »
A couple questions:

1. I haven't decided whether to install the latches on the CP to open from the back or the frontside of the CP.  Any suggestions? Pros and cons?
2. I've noticed some people use metal brackets above and below their marquee and some just do t-molding there.  Thoughts?

Thanks

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« Reply #53 on: September 17, 2017, 11:51:26 pm »
Got all the cleats cut.  Took a little while but finally got them all done. Gonna put them on next week.  Need to also connect the wall mount to the TV to see how deep the mount and the TV run when connected so I know exactly where to put the cleat for the piece that connects to the TV mount.  Moving along


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« Reply #54 on: September 21, 2017, 12:15:16 pm »
Looking good, man! That box is getting close to being up. I love the theme obviously ;)

MUCH cleaner then my build when I started out. I think I had a Wood Filler nightmare that gave me PTSD.

Anyways looking forward to seeing more.
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« Reply #55 on: September 21, 2017, 12:50:24 pm »
You angled the sticks.

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« Reply #56 on: September 21, 2017, 01:22:51 pm »
You angled the sticks.

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Of course.
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« Reply #57 on: September 21, 2017, 02:22:41 pm »
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« Reply #58 on: September 21, 2017, 03:17:50 pm »
Well we already berated him for that back in November last year. He's stuck, because his bro-in-law is the one doing the handy work, and sounds like a guy who would pants or ball-punch you if you gave him a reason to. :lol

dgrace, at this point I think you're going to just have to suck it up and endure the complaints from people playing on P3 and P4. Perhaps later on in the future you might be able to convince your bro-in-law to take another go at the CP for you. 


A couple questions:

1. I haven't decided whether to install the latches on the CP to open from the back or the frontside of the CP.  Any suggestions? Pros and cons?
In almost all original cabinets that had CP latches, they were almost always mounted in the front. This was because you could attach a tether/chain to the underside and have it swing open and sit without having to prop it up like a car hood.

Here's an image from one of my older projects:


This makes it handy for servicing the controls.


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2. I've noticed some people use metal brackets above and below their marquee and some just do t-molding there.  Thoughts?

Thanks
T-molding above and below the marquee is just wrong. The main purpose of t-molding is to protect edges from physical damage. There is no point of having t-molding across the marquee since the likelihood of the physical contact up there is low.
Plus it doesn't serve any practical function, brackets are used to secure the marquee plexi in place, and not just for looking professional.  Marquee plexiglass would be wedged between the brackets and the 2 wood edges going across the cabinet. This is how it's correctly mounted.  There were no "back blocks" or bracing pieces of wood behind the plexi because they would introduce shadows in the marquee light. The only thing bracing the back of a marquee from going inward were the roof and speaker wood pieces that are part of the cabinet's structure.

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Re: Custom 4 Player Arcade Cabinet (Dark TMNT Theme)
« Reply #59 on: September 25, 2017, 05:07:32 pm »
Looking good, man! That box is getting close to being up. I love the theme obviously ;)

MUCH cleaner then my build when I started out. I think I had a Wood Filler nightmare that gave me PTSD.

Anyways looking forward to seeing more.

Thanks Pauly.  I would say the marquee section cleats was the most complicated since we we're basically eye balling it; with a lot of trial and error.  I think we finally got it though. 

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« Reply #60 on: September 25, 2017, 05:21:42 pm »
Thank you Opt2Not for your feedback.  Regarding the angled vs non-angled sticks topic, I actually did a lot of research on that, whether it was reading forums on it, Recroommasters (who does it angled and said they prefer it that way), asking people specifically who posted custom 4 player cabinets on Youtube whether it was angled and if so, whether they liked or disliked it and why, and got a lot of different responses from everyone I contacted.  Some said they hated it angled and some said they preferred them angled (who had done it both ways).  While I'm sure this response will piss off some on these posts, like you said, even if I wanted to change it to non-angled, there's no way it's going to happen anyway (unless I take up wood working myself  :)).  That said, we'll see how it goes.  I've already tested having P3 and P4 buttons connected on my unfinished CP and I didn't initially have any issues with it.  I guess time will tell.  And if I (or others) end up hating it for whatever reason, then I will make a new CP with those changes in the future. 

Regarding opening the CP from the front vs the back, I agree why opening from the back is better, as to not have to open it and prop it up like a car hood whenever I want to go in there and mess with the buttons and wiring.  My only concern is I am installing a plunger on the bottom right of the CP box and I worry about the top of the CP hitting it and obstructing it from opening as far as I'd like it to (as Pauly experienced with his Ready Player One Arcade cab and his plunger).  Ugghhh.  That's a hard one. Because I'm doing the plunger it seems opening from the front would make more sense, but then I'm still faced with having to prop it up like a car hood (like you said).  I've also considered doing a launch ball button instead since I will eventually do a virtual pinball machine (in a couple years) in which a plunger is a must. 

Thanks for your feedback regarding the Metal L-Brackets over the marquee vs T-molding.  That makes perfect sense.

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« Reply #61 on: September 25, 2017, 06:06:32 pm »
fire up some 2 player smash TV and let me know how easy it is to play.
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« Reply #62 on: September 25, 2017, 06:29:56 pm »
fire up some 2 player smash TV and let me know how easy it is to play.

LOL ... I think that's a good point and a fair argument (regarding that game specifically).  Having the angled p3 & p4 sticks would make that game tough.

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Recroommasters works for you. Just because they’re doing it the wrong way doesn’t mean you have to buy it that way.
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« Reply #64 on: November 14, 2017, 12:19:11 pm »
I just finished cutting all my cabinet pieces with a slot cutter for the t-molding. Hopefully this weekend I can start actually connecting all the pieces and put the cabinet together.  When it comes to determining the width do you just base it off the width of your tv (mine is 32 inch Samsung) and just leave an inch or two of space in between the side panels and each side of the tv? Thanks

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« Reply #65 on: November 14, 2017, 01:49:24 pm »
fire up some 2 player smash TV and let me know how easy it is to play.

LOL ... I think that's a good point and a fair argument (regarding that game specifically).  Having the angled p3 & p4 sticks would make that game tough.
When you're done trying Smash TV let me know how these fair:

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« Reply #66 on: November 14, 2017, 02:14:28 pm »
My 4-player machine has angled sticks, it was made over 8 years ago, wouldn't changed them. You get used to them.

If you ever had a console gaming session with friends and don't get the center seat on the  couch, would you hold the controller straight to face the tv even if you're slightly off to the side?

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« Reply #67 on: November 14, 2017, 03:23:08 pm »
Angled sticks are wrong. If they were correct you wouldn't have to get used to them.

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« Reply #68 on: November 15, 2017, 04:42:09 pm »
fire up some 2 player smash TV and let me know how easy it is to play.

LOL ... I think that's a good point and a fair argument (regarding that game specifically).  Having the angled p3 & p4 sticks would make that game tough.
When you're done trying Smash TV let me know how these fair:

Black Widow
Robotron: 2084
Crazy Climber
Crazy Climber 2
QB-3
Karate Champ
Draco
Angel Kids
Bullet
Libble Rabble
Krull
Splat!
Space Dungeon
Title Fight
Screw Loose
Munch Mobile (a.k.a. Joyful Road)
Mars
Rock Climber

I looked into these games and most of them (like 90%) are either one player or 2 player (taking turns), so one should be able to simply use player 1 and 2 joysticks (non angled) to play the games.  As far as 2 player games requiring 2 joysticks for each player simultaneously, I can see it being a bit of a challenge if player 3 & 4 are angled.  I also plan on having a flight stick, so I guess that could be substituted as one of the joysticks if the angled one was that annoying during a game like Smash TV.  jmike, have you tried Smash TV 2 player using angled player 3 & 4 joysticks? If not, try it out and let us know.  If so, how did it feel? Was it difficult with one joystick being straight and the other being angled? I have tested it on my CP yet.  Thanks

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« Reply #69 on: November 15, 2017, 04:44:02 pm »
Another question.  What are people's thoughts on having a 1/8" plexi covering the CP (for a smoother feel while playing) vs. just having the polycarbonate graphic vinyl over the CP (with no plexi cover before attaching all the buttons and trackball)? Just curious. 

Thanks

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« Reply #70 on: November 15, 2017, 05:25:58 pm »
My 4-player machine has angled sticks, it was made over 8 years ago, wouldn't changed them. You get used to them.

If you ever had a console gaming session with friends and don't get the center seat on the  couch, would you hold the controller straight to face the tv even if you're slightly off to the side?
You got used to them? So you admit they're wrong in the first place?

The console gaming analogy is also disingenuous to this point because A). You hold the entire controller in your hand, and are free to adjust your hand positions, as opposed to standing next to a mounted stationary position.  B). The angle in which you're standing next to the stationary position of a cabinet is greater than the angle you'd sit facing a TV on the couch. And if it were sitting on either end of the couch, not centered, you would angle your body towards the TV as if playing in front of it.

Angled P3 and P4 sticks is just ergonomically wrong. Period.


Another question.  What are people's thoughts on having a 1/8" plexi covering the CP (for a smoother feel while playing) vs. just having the polycarbonate graphic vinyl over the CP (with no plexi cover before attaching all the buttons and trackball)? Just curious. 

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- Your hands stick to the plexi/acrylic easier when sweating
- Those with rings and watches will scratch the surface of the plexi/acrylic
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« Reply #71 on: November 15, 2017, 05:50:59 pm »
Thanks opt2not for your feedback on potentially adding plexi to the top of the CP.  You make some valid points. 

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« Reply #72 on: November 15, 2017, 05:52:14 pm »
Does anyone have any recommendations on where to buy a marquee light? Thanks

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« Reply #73 on: November 15, 2017, 06:43:31 pm »
My 4-player machine has angled sticks, it was made over 8 years ago, wouldn't changed them. You get used to them.

If you ever had a console gaming session with friends and don't get the center seat on the  couch, would you hold the controller straight to face the tv even if you're slightly off to the side?
You got used to them? So you admit they're wrong in the first place?

The console gaming analogy is also disingenuous to this point because A). You hold the entire controller in your hand, and are free to adjust your hand positions, as opposed to standing next to a mounted stationary position.  B). The angle in which you're standing next to the stationary position of a cabinet is greater than the angle you'd sit facing a TV on the couch. And if it were sitting on either end of the couch, not centered, you would angle your body towards the TV as if playing in front of it.

Angled P3 and P4 sticks is just ergonomically wrong. Period.


Another question.  What are people's thoughts on having a 1/8" plexi covering the CP (for a smoother feel while playing) vs. just having the polycarbonate graphic vinyl over the CP (with no plexi cover before attaching all the buttons and trackball)? Just curious. 

Thanks
- Your hands stick to the plexi/acrylic easier when sweating
- Those with rings and watches will scratch the surface of the plexi/acrylic
- Over time, UV light will yellow your plexi/acrylic

Thank you, I don’t know why everybody keeps bringing up console controllers. They’re nowhere near the same thing. I know it may seem like they are, but they’re really not.
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Re: Custom 4 Player Arcade Cabinet (Dark TMNT Theme)
« Reply #74 on: November 16, 2017, 08:11:31 am »
Does anyone have any recommendations on where to buy a marquee light? Thanks


Home depot, under counter lighting section, get led.
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« Reply #75 on: November 16, 2017, 08:59:04 am »
Ive used one of these in the past



They are less than 10 bucks, but i wouldnt do it again. Too much light and orange glow. I would go led every time now.

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Re: Custom 4 Player Arcade Cabinet (Dark TMNT Theme)
« Reply #76 on: November 16, 2017, 03:19:01 pm »
Ive used one of these in the past



They are less than 10 bucks, but i wouldnt do it again. Too much light and orange glow. I would go led every time now.

Get a natural light fluorescent tube. Oranginess solved.
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« Reply #77 on: November 16, 2017, 04:55:01 pm »
Wrap the bulb in yellow paper.  That's what I do and it always looks great.  Hell, print out yellow on white paper on your office printer.  That works great, too.


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Re: Custom 4 Player Arcade Cabinet (Dark TMNT Theme)
« Reply #78 on: November 17, 2017, 10:10:27 am »
Thanks for the suggestions on the marquee light. Any thoughts on my question above regarding determining the width of the cabinet? I was just going have 1 inch of space between sides of tv and cab side panels. Or should I do 2 inches? Thanks

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Re: Custom 4 Player Arcade Cabinet (Dark TMNT Theme)
« Reply #79 on: November 20, 2017, 09:18:33 pm »
Based on my current placement of cleats in the marquee area, my marquee height will be roughly between 5.5 - 5.75".  It's a little more narrow than i'd like but I feel like making it wider might screw up my other placements.  What's the standard height that most prefer? 6" I presume? I guess I don't mind a marquee a little more narrow.  Does anyone have any thoughts on that?  Thanks

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Re: Custom 4 Player Arcade Cabinet (Dark TMNT Theme)
« Reply #80 on: November 21, 2017, 05:40:19 am »
Does anyone have any recommendations on where to buy a marquee light? Thanks

For my Star Wars cab I used a cheap warm white LED strip I bought at a local store for about 15$. To spread the light I used aluminum foil. The LED strip came with a simple IR remote control dimmer so I can make it as bright or dimmed as I want it to be. I put the IR receiver behind the Marquee plexi with artwork (top left corner in the picture) and if I point the remote within a meter (3 feet) distance it works perfectly.


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