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Nintendo Switch (aka Nintendo NX)
« on: October 20, 2016, 12:36:41 pm »
Ok so the news dropped a couple hours ago.  Stat blob in 3...2...1....

The switch is indeed a home/portable hybrid.  It sits in a dock when at home and looks very much like a slimmed down wii u gamepad when in portable mode.  Both sides of the tablet controller slide off to work as individual gamepads similar to wiimotes (though a tad smaller and with analog sticks).  There is also a  pro controller option.  In the gameplay footage shown the new Zelda, a brand new 3d Mario and enchanced ports of splatoon and Mario kart 8 are shown.  The console indeed uses carts that look similar to those on the 3ds.  Specific titles aren't yet announced but Nintendo released a list of companies that are working on switch games.... the list is practically all of them including companies that don't always support Nintendo like EA, Square, and Bethesda (aka id).  Konami is also listed as a supporting company which is odd since they only make pachinko machines at this point. 

The price hasn't been posted yet, which worries me because the thing looks expensive.  They've definitely ditched the "kiddie" aesthetic this time around.... it looks like something Sony would make.  Also there is a concern about these enhanced ports.  If people that supported the Wii U are going to have to buy essentially the same games for 60 bucks we could see riots in the streets. 

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« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2016, 12:47:47 pm »
Almost none of the scenarios in this promo video ever happen in real life.

 
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Re: Nintendo Switch (aka Nintendo NX)
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2016, 01:28:06 pm »
To be fair nobody wants to see a commercial of some frustrated guy killing time at the DMV or a shut-in playing on the toilet.  Note that I'm very excited about the toilet playing capabilities of the device. 

The thought the tone of the commercials were interesting.  No kids or old people and no families either.  Looks like they at are really going after the 20-30 year old demographic. 

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« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2016, 01:41:44 pm »
I'll give credit to Nintendo...they always try to innovate. I just hope they didn't over-innovate on this one.

Again, this console is great timing for Nintendo...but it's bad timing for the rest of the world. The PS4 and Xbone are hitting their stride at the moment and they have had the time to get their hardware cost down.

Therefor, Nintendo already has a pricing challenge. Unless the Switch is priced at $349 or less, it simply will not be competitive.

$349 launch price may seem like a tall order for a new hardware release. But maybe not, considering it's basically a glorified tablet.
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Re: Nintendo Switch (aka Nintendo NX)
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2016, 01:45:50 pm »
They tried that more mature demographic with the Gamecube and it failed in sales. Like the GC, Nintendo tried to target the same demographic as Sony and M$, but now they're really playing up that portable aspect, which IMO is Nintendo's wheelhouse aside from family-oriented servicing.  I hope this doesn't turn out the same as the GC though, 'cause I'd love to see a more mature trend from Ninty.

I am slightly leaning towards getting one only because I like the dock-able idea, and I didn't get a WiiU because I didn't like the design of it. I'd like to see the hardware specs of this and what the output is capable of, but normally software almost always drives my decision to buy a new console, so we'll see what launch titles they announce for the Switch.  I might just do what I do with most consoles and wait a year before committing.

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« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2016, 01:47:22 pm »
Well I'm not sure if the timing matters the way both M$ and Sony say they will have yet another upgrade to their consoles out in a year or so.  I think both companies are shooting themselves in the foot with needless console revisions. 

I'm still worried about system specs.  If this thing isn't at as powerful as the xbox one, I don't think they have much to offer unless this on the go gimmick really catches on. 

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Re: Nintendo Switch (aka Nintendo NX)
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2016, 02:11:50 pm »
Third party support:


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Re: Nintendo Switch (aka Nintendo NX)
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2016, 02:13:20 pm »
As a previous GameStop manager, I'd worry more about the number of linking/connecting/moving parts.  People, in general, are stupid.  Hell, it took years for folks to figure out the whole "synch the controller" thing.  Folks can and will ---fudgesicle--- it up.  Not to mention the mechanical connections.  I promise, first day there will be media outcry about how it somehow damaged something in the user's house.  Like all the idiots chucking wiimotes at there TV's.

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Re: Nintendo Switch (aka Nintendo NX)
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2016, 02:28:33 pm »
Third party support:

I'll wait and see whats released. The deck is stacked against them because I didn't like the Wii, didn't bother with a WiiU and M$ and Sony couldnt get me to get their latest offerings, even with the new revisions severely reducing the cost of the first runs. I'd say PC master race but I dont even play that anymore.
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« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2016, 02:38:17 pm »
i'mma wait and see too.

not sure how I feel about this. This FEELS like a next gen portable console....but can also output to a TV... but SEEMS like an underpowered home console.

So basically a portable Wii.

conflicted. Have to see some confirmed specs and some REAL games first.

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https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2016/10/20/nintendo-switch/

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« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2016, 02:39:16 pm »
Ever look at an Nvidia Shield and think you had to have one?  Neither did anyone else.

After the WiiU, I ain't buying ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- from Nintendo at launch again.


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« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2016, 04:27:00 pm »
For kids, I can see the appeal of being able to drag the same games they play at home along with them.

The only part that made me wince was the mini controllers.
Especially the part where the guy is holding one in each hand with the screen propped up in front of him.
I've played around with small phone controllers like the zeemote.
Controlling a game one handed sucks.  Controlling a game two handed with separate controllers sucks.
Using anything smaller than an NES controller sucks.

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Re: Nintendo Switch (aka Nintendo NX)
« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2016, 08:31:53 pm »
Almost none of the scenarios in this promo video ever happen in real life.

Really?  You've never gone to the airport and found a hot blonde 20-something carrying around the same video game system as you?

Man you just need to get out more.  ;)

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« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2016, 09:05:15 pm »
I've met a couple playing Pokemon Go.

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« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2016, 10:34:40 pm »
For kids, I can see the appeal of being able to drag the same games they play at home along with them.

The only part that made me wince was the mini controllers.
Especially the part where the guy is holding one in each hand with the screen propped up in front of him.
I've played around with small phone controllers like the zeemote.
Controlling a game one handed sucks.  Controlling a game two handed with separate controllers sucks.
Using anything smaller than an NES controller sucks.

Yeah I think using half a controller that tiny could be problematic, but as for having them separate, there is a do-hickey that you can slide the controllers onto to make it like a typical gamepad with grips and such.

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« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2016, 11:29:04 pm »
I plan on getting one but I haven't even got a 3ds yet. I do enjoy me some first party nintendo titles. They really need to get a bigger library with this one. I like the wiiu games that I do have but the amount of good games is weak. I would really like this to go well for them.

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« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2016, 12:09:40 am »
I kind of feel let down by the WiiU.  The main problem was the fact that about halfway through it's life Nintendo decided to just release the majority of their games for the 3ds which left the poor Wii U with 1 or 2 good games a year. 

I don't have a 3ds either, mostly because portable gaming just isn't my thing... the screens are too damn small.  This might change that. 

I'll go on record saying that the "switch" might be the dumbest console name yet.  That is unless their marketing takes advantage of it.  Picture big, pompus, 90's Nintendo style ad and at the end creepy announcer asks  "Will you switch?" As the two haves of the logo click together.

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« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2016, 06:17:28 am »
I am interested by this I must admit (Which is the first time I have said that since the DS!)
But I will want to see it first hand and a decent selection of games to play first.

Heres hoping for more Phoenix Wright....

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« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2016, 07:28:00 am »
I plan on getting one but I haven't even got a 3ds yet.

I got the 3DS just for Zelda : Link Between Worlds . I mean I bought other stuff and honestly enjoyed Smash Brothers but Link was worth it. As for small screens..... the XL screens are a decent size. They are no 62" 4K LCD but they arent tiny especially for a portable.
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« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2016, 07:46:09 am »
Using anything smaller than an NES controller sucks.

Form the video it looks like each half of the controller can be used as an controller for multiplayer games. 

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« Reply #20 on: October 21, 2016, 10:27:24 am »
I got the 3DS just for Zelda : Link Between Worlds

yep. Link Between Worlds is worth the cost of admission by itself. One of the most creative games made.
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« Reply #21 on: October 21, 2016, 10:33:19 am »
My problem with that game is I played it sporadically and when I picked it up, I felt like I was wandering for an hour just to find a crack in the wall.  Maybe there was something I was missing, but I wasn't exactly sure what I was supposed to be doing to the point that I gave up on it.


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« Reply #22 on: October 21, 2016, 10:43:12 am »



Couldn't you call that "bringing Zelda back to its original roots"?

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« Reply #23 on: October 21, 2016, 12:50:36 pm »
I plan on getting one but I haven't even got a 3ds yet.

I got the 3DS just for Zelda : Link Between Worlds . I mean I bought other stuff and honestly enjoyed Smash Brothers but Link was worth it. As for small screens..... the XL screens are a decent size. They are no 62" 4K LCD but they arent tiny especially for a portable.

Well Nintendo makes too many iterations of their portables.  When the 3ds first came out I thought  "I'll wait for the XL version".  Then the XL version comes out and just a couple of months later the "new" 3ds is announced.  So I wait for the XL version of that, it comes out and almost immediately there are rumors of the next Nintendo console being a portable.  I have a feeling that many of the more popular titles for the 3ds might get a Switch port. 

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« Reply #24 on: October 21, 2016, 10:31:06 pm »
Something that nobody seems to be talking about, which is a concern for me are the physical carts.  Yes flash memory is super cheap now, but it isn't cheaper than discs.  Also it's a proprietary Nintendo format and throughout the companies history they have been really bad about having storage formats that are smaller than the standard at the time. 

Oh and the rumors now is that the system will be more or less as powerful as a ps4, so that's good at least. 

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« Reply #25 on: October 22, 2016, 01:52:47 am »
Ime not at all concerned about the carts.
Infact I kind of prefer carts to disks....

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« Reply #26 on: October 22, 2016, 07:32:32 am »
Problem with carts back in the day was the storage limits. Nowadays a flash drive the size of a penny can hold 5 Blu rays worth of data.
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« Reply #27 on: October 22, 2016, 12:39:57 pm »
Yeah but a blu ray disc costs maybe 20 cents to manufacture and the case is also cheap because it's a standard size.  A 64gb sd card is roughly 20 dollars if you get a good price.  They won't pay that much BUT it won't be virtually free like discs and that means the added cost could raise the price of the games.  Nintendo is all about using cheaper, more outdated tech to keep the bottom line down, so they very well could use a small storage size, at least initially. 

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« Reply #28 on: October 22, 2016, 08:10:49 pm »
I just want Mario Galaxy 3.

And it's been confirmed that the dock is for charging and video output only. They are 100% committed to carts and downloads.

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« Reply #29 on: October 22, 2016, 10:10:00 pm »
Actually some reports are saying that that dock might increase the processing power. 

I'm wondering about motion controls.  The screen is HD quality, so if it has motion controls and those detachable gamepads all they would need is a visor helmet with some lenses and it could do VR.  Unlike Sony's offering it'd just be a hunk of plastic so they could offer it for around 20 bucks.  Yes it wouldn't be as good, but cost does mean something. 

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« Reply #30 on: October 27, 2016, 10:29:41 am »
Also it's a proprietary Nintendo format and throughout the companies history they have been really bad about having storage formats that are smaller than the standard at the time. 




At the same time many of their best games are ridiculously small in storage terms.

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« Reply #31 on: October 27, 2016, 11:04:41 am »
At the same time many of their best games are ridiculously small in storage terms.

Yep, Mario Maker clocks in around a gig.  Most of the other ones 3-4ish.  Wii Sports Club is all of 50MB.


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« Reply #32 on: October 27, 2016, 02:05:10 pm »
I'm not concerned about first party titles.  I'm referring to 3rd party games. 

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« Reply #33 on: October 27, 2016, 02:49:25 pm »



Third party titles on a Nintendo console?  That's a pretty short list.

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« Reply #34 on: October 27, 2016, 03:41:11 pm »
Have you seen their partners list for this thing?  It's virtually every company that matters. 

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« Reply #35 on: October 27, 2016, 03:54:19 pm »
Yep, and WiiU started decent on third party support, too.  Petered out around Mass Effect 3 and Madden 13....



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« Reply #36 on: October 27, 2016, 04:04:12 pm »
Is it absurd for me to expect the switch have have 4K and HDR support?

The future landscape sure makes it seem like 4K/HDR is going to be very commonplace in the next 2-3 years.
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« Reply #37 on: October 27, 2016, 04:39:34 pm »
Man, who knows... the DVD section is still bigger than the BluRay section at stores that still carry physical media.

Never underestimate the appeal of "good enough."


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« Reply #38 on: October 28, 2016, 12:43:48 am »



I value fun a lot more than I do high framerate and resolution.

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« Reply #39 on: October 28, 2016, 01:09:35 am »
Is it absurd for me to expect the switch have have 4K and HDR support?

The future landscape sure makes it seem like 4K/HDR is going to be very commonplace in the next 2-3 years.

Yes it's absurd for you to expect that considering this generation of consoles don't do 4k.  The upcoming upgrades of the consoles will, but considering game developers will code their game to the lowest end system for maximum compatibility, it's unlikely that we will see many dedicated 4k games. 

Also 4k isn't going to be commonplace anytime soon because the cable/sat companies don't really have the infrastructure in place to offer channels in that resolution.  Adoption rates have always been linked to tv.  HDTVs weren't widely adopted until all the major networks started offering their channels in HD.  3D tvs never caught on because there weren't any networks that broadcast in 3d, even though there was tons of 3d content in the way of blurays and streaming. 

  
 

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