Star Wars Rogue One talk (WARNING SPOILERS)

[harveybirdman]

I'm going to go ahead and just say it now cause I can just tell....

It's going to suck...

Just look at the Trailer...

 "Hey Hey look Look remember this shot when the hero looks out over the horizon huh huh??!?!?!" 

"Oh look the Empire killed/enslaved her parent, totally new storyline"

"Look guys its Darth Vader!!!! You Love Darth Vader!!!! You'll Love this film!!!!"

[RayB]

[harveybirdman]

Ha!  Well I guess I had a Locke moment there....

[pbj]

Many Bothans are going to die.

[harveybirdman]

Many Bothans are going to die.

Rep +1

[shponglefan]

It's going to suck...

Just look at the Trailer...

I'd say that trailer bodes well.  Y'know why? 

Zero.  ---smurfing---.  Lightsabers.

It's about time.

[harveybirdman]

Yep no light sabers so why have Vader in it?

[yotsuya]

[shponglefan]

Yep no light sabers so why have Vader in it?

Dunno, and don't really care TBH.  I'm just happy to see Star Wars without a lightsaber every 2 seconds.

Lucas ruined them.

[harveybirdman]

Sorry Yots I would rather make unfounfed arguments and half assed conjecture about this than the current state of American politics or BYOAC projects.

[DudeRegular]

Sorry Yots I would rather make unfounfed arguments and half assed conjecture about this than the current state of American politics or BYOAC projects.

That I can get on board with. Your Rogue One prediction however.... Naw brah. It's gonna be rad.

[yotsuya]

Sorry Yots I would rather make unfounfed arguments and half assed conjecture about this than the current state of American politics or BYOAC projects.

Make Star Wars Great Again!!

[yotsuya]

Double posts sux!!!

[harveybirdman]

Dudereg, I hope I'm wrong but I'm not allowing myself to get my hopes up to any degree.  I was only marginally excited for ep 7 and it crushed me all over again.

[pbj]

Dude, Episode 7 owns.  Deal with it.

[Howard_Casto]

Ep 7 is "meh".  It isn't garbage like the prequels, but then again it's just recycled crap from the original trilogy, only with a laughably inadequate villain, not to mention the "empire" backing him.  The original empire is like the third Reich, compared to modern day neo-nazi's that are the new baddies in terms of menace and threat.  Also the fact that there is STILL a rebellion and there is STILL an evil empire to fight kind of pisses all over the exploits of our original heroes doesn't it.  The new cast members are pretty ham-fisted as well.  Oh... and they killed Han Solo.  No film that kills Han Solo via a simple shot to the gut is good.  Don't get me wrong... there were one or two scenes that gave me the feels... but that's just my nostalgia acting up again. 

Face it, only Star Wars nerds and the dreaded "casual" movie goer liked 7. 

I think Rogue One has more potential to be good, but.... it's Hollywood... and Disney....  so afraid there is much reason to be, young Padawan. 

[DudeRegular]

Dudereg, I hope I'm wrong but I'm not allowing myself to get my hopes up to any degree.  I was only marginally excited for ep 7 and it crushed me all over again.

This one looks cool. This has the chance to do something different and not "rehash the original formula" like many have opined. There should be pretty much zero jedi stuff happening. Obi-wan is hiding out. Luke is a farmer whiney kid. I want to see some Vader just doing bad guy ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- making him the feared dude he was in 4,5,6.

[Howard_Casto]

Well here's the thing.  I've got a bad feeling that we will see Vader for 10 seconds as a cameo and that's it.  They've done it with these rebootie sequels before. 

[DudeRegular]

Well here's the thing.  I've got a bad feeling that we will see Vader for 10 seconds as a cameo and that's it.  They've done it with these rebootie sequels before.

Man, now that would be weak sauce. They show him twice I think in the trailers. I am hoping they are going to have this looming Vader deal hanging over even the empire dudes and then show him being ruthless for emphasis or effect.

[Howard_Casto]

I think the best we can hope for are a couple of scenes where Vader is communicating his orders to others similar to those video chat sessions he did with the emperor.  The action will always be happening elsewhere. 

[harveybirdman]

Forget that Vader better be slaying some would be jedi or padawans because the entire prequel trilogy robbed us of what Obi Wan claimed Vader did with a ---That which is odiferous and causeth plants to grow--- cop out of showing him kill the children at the temple.

Hell no Vader was supposed to pursue the last of the Jedi across the galaxy and remove their rebel heads from their bodies.  That is what Episode 3 should have been.

[ark_ader]

Rogue One will come out. 

You and your weirdo buddies will camp out to be the first in your hood to see it. 

You will say to each other "It sucked" afterwards, but you will secretly visit the cinema on Tuesday cheap nights alone to watch it again and again until they pull it.

You will buy the merchandise, and all the figures.

You will read all the canon books of the movie.

You will buy all the Star Wars Battlefront DLC.  PC & Xbox One.

You will buy the Blu ray Special edition on Amazon pre-order in February.

You will rinse and repeat after every Star Wars movie that comes out.

That rebel scum in you, will be hidden in plain sight.   


edit: got to love Samsung text assist.

[Ian]

I am excited.... I think its a different brand of Star Wars. I was one of the few that was disappointed with Vader showing up. Why??? Because the ---smurfing--- Skywalkers are like the Galaxies version of the Kardashians. Man, that family is just screwed up and have killed the soul of Millions/billions.

It would have been great to leave that family behind.

[yotsuya]

Because the ---smurfing--- Skywalkers are like the Galaxies version of the Kardashians.

[Ian]

Come on Yots... You KNOW it to be true.    You would think that was the ONLY family in the galaxy.

I say explore the galaxy!

That's why I like the idea of these individual saga stories.

[harveybirdman]

I don't think they have the balls to make a film that they can't wrap in nostalgia and try to make $ whoring all over food and toilletries.

[dkersten]

Funny thing about a story, nobody wants to read or watch or listen to it when you talk about the Johnson's next door who haven't really done anything of note in their lives.  What people want to hear about is the ones who make the big impacts in the world, whether it has to do with social media, politics, military, or anything else.

Plus, the Star Wars Franchise is about familiarity and the story line, not the world the story takes place in.  Typical fans want more of the story, not new stories that are unrelated.  Only the really dedicated fans give a ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- about the universe Lucas created.

I happen to be a big fan, but I also understand that you can't market something the majority of your audience doesn't care about.  My favorite part of ep 7 is how most characters thought the heroes of 4-6 were just a myth, a story told by mom or dad before bedtime, and I like how they had no connection or knowledge of those heroes.  And I can't say I wouldn't love to see new stories in the same universe that don't involve Jedi Knights, lightsabers, and heroes from past movies, but when a movie comes out that continues (or fills in) the existing story, I still want to go see it.  When you add to a story you need to have some strong connections to the characters in the story.

Look at it this way: Rogue One is about the first spies who stole the plans to the death star.  Vader was involved in the death star, possibly from the start.  How can you not have Vader in a movie about the space station he was using to keep the galaxy in line without at least a cameo? 

BTW, it was the second death star that Bothans died to get the details on.  Not the first.

[pbj]

Meh, you try to do space opera without the Skywalkers and you get Jupiter Ascending.

[ChadTower]

I say let them make a few nostalgia based cash generating films.  How much did Disney pay for this franchise?  What else could we have expected other than an immediate plan to recoup the majority of the capital?  I'm just glad there is such high quality new stuff coming out rather than Lucas being weird about the whole thing all the time. 


This could have been Ghostbusters.

[HaRuMaN]

Meh, you try to do space opera without the Skywalkers and you get Jupiter Ascending.

I actually kinda liked that one...   

[pbj]

I actually kinda liked that one...   

Matrix 1 lost steam by the oracle scene, and everything those chicks have made has been progressively worse.

[harveybirdman]

I don't think it's too much to ask for a  original character that isn't an orphan or a nonsensical allegorical lesson in 21st century cultural ideals.

Plus I'm pretty tired of the Empire being so damn inept.  People better get shot and killed like a boss in this one.

[Ian]

Look at it this way: Rogue One is about the first spies who stole the plans to the death star.  Vader was involved in the death star, possibly from the start.  How can you not have Vader in a movie about the space station he was using to keep the galaxy in line without at least a cameo? 

Okay "big fan" (joking of course), I'll bite. Who was the main baddie in A New Hope? Who was in charge of the Deathstar? Who was the one who held Vaders Leash? Who was the one calling all of the shots? It wasn't Vader (besides hard to hold your own leash). It was Grand Moff Tarkin. Vader was the dog Tarkin sent to do his bidding.

So to keep it all 100% Tarkin used the space station to keep the galaxy in line. Not Vader. Vaders plot was only Advanced because of the relationship he had with a young rebel commander who was force sensitive. I hope Vaders cameo is small and he is only used as the half robotic mad dog that Tarkin used. But I agree that the people want to see the main players in the Star Wars saga, but if you think the Skywalkers are the only main players your Saga is actually quite small and insignificant and sorry to say boring. If we find out that there are other force sensitive families out there... or better yet NORMAL people that made huge impacts in the war against the rebellion then you get a real good feeling about how big and rich this saga could be!

A small but good example would be Vader constructing C3PO.... I mean what are the chances? What is the galaxy like 3 planets and a couple of moons??? Terrible. Let's expand this universe!

[Ian]

Meh, you try to do space opera without the Skywalkers and you get Jupiter Ascending.

Wrong...

You get Jupiter Ascending with terrible writing terrible directing and terrible vision..... oh and a terrible cast.

The difference between the quality of Marvel Avengers movies versus the quality of the Marvel Xmen movies. There is a big difference and feel between the two. I am asking for us to break free a bit and use some quality screen writers to make some good movies. It's  possible. There are a thousand Star Wars books out there... I doubt every single one centers around a Skywalker.

[Ian]

I don't think it's too much to ask for a  original character that isn't an orphan or a nonsensical allegorical lesson in 21st century cultural ideals.

Plus I'm pretty tired of the Empire being so damn inept.  People better get shot and killed like a boss in this one.

 

I agree!

[yotsuya]

Look at it this way: Rogue One is about the first spies who stole the plans to the death star.  Vader was involved in the death star, possibly from the start.  How can you not have Vader in a movie about the space station he was using to keep the galaxy in line without at least a cameo? 

Okay "big fan" (joking of course), I'll bite. Who was the main baddie in A New Hope? Who was in charge of the Deathstar? Who was the one who held Vaders Leash? Who was the one calling all of the shots? It wasn't Vader (besides hard to hold your own leash). It was Grand Moff Tarkin. Vader was the dog Tarkin sent to do his bidding.

So to keep it all 100% Tarkin used the space station to keep the galaxy in line. Not Vader. Vaders plot was only Advanced because of the relationship he had with a young rebel commander who was force sensitive. I hope Vaders cameo is small and he is only used as the half robotic mad dog that Tarkin used. But I agree that the people want to see the main players in the Star Wars saga, but if you think the Skywalkers are the only main players your Saga is actually quite small and insignificant and sorry to say boring. If we find out that there are other force sensitive families out there... or better yet NORMAL people that made huge impacts in the war against the rebellion then you get a real good feeling about how big and rich this saga could be!

A small but good example would be Vader constructing C3PO.... I mean what are the chances? What is the galaxy like 3 planets and a couple of moons??? Terrible. Let's expand this universe!

Hey, to me, my favorite thing about the prequels is that we learned that Vader and the Evil Empire wouldn't have existed if Anakin had just remembered  "Bros before hos."

[Ian]

 

[pbj]

Empire shoots fine when they aren't herding Luke around a ship.  The second Avengers movie was dullsville.  I've never managed to make it through the whole thing.

[ChadTower]

Vader pretty much had to make an appearance for marketing purposes.  Plus, if the movie really is all about the conflicts regarding the Death Star's development, who do you think Palpatine would be sending to clean up all the little messes?  That was Vader's specialty.  He's a Cleaner.

[yotsuya]

I think using Vader in his prime is an exciting development, but only if they use him right. If it's nothing more than a cameo, then I'll be disappointed.